Der beste Mime aller Ringe. Fantastisches Orchester geführt von einem der besten Wagner Dirigenten. Ein hervorragender Siegfried, und alle anderen sind auch hervorragend. Selbst das Bühnenbild gefällt mir. Eine rundum gelungene Auffassung.

@sabineb.5616

9 ай бұрын

lohsemichael, ja Heinz Zednik als Mime ist wohl einer der besten Besetzungen aller Zeiten! Und auch als Loge hat er brilliert. Ich finde zwar, dass im Rheingold von Otto-Schenk auch Siegfried Jerusalem ein sehr guter Loge war, und er hat sicherlich eine schönere Stimme als Heinz Zednik. Aber Heinz Zednik ist einfach ein grandioser Schauspieler, und seine Auftritte als Loge sind legendär! Ich finde es gut, dass Heinz Zednik als Mime nicht schön singen muss! Sein Sprechgesang ist viel wirkungsvoller und auch absolut kompatibel mit Wagners Musik.

@susannevollmer2347

8 ай бұрын

To me the best Mimi - Zednik in the Chereau/Boulez Bayreuth production!

@sabineb.5616

8 ай бұрын

@@susannevollmer2347 Hallo Susanne, ich stimme Dir zu! Zednik is indeed the best Mime - period! And I absolutely love Patrice Chereau's Centennial Ring! It's still my favorite production. Btw, in that production Zednik was also an absolutely great Loge - maybe the best Loge ever. He doesn't even have an especially beautiful tenor, but he is simply a great actor and his whole body moves with the music, and that's much more important for these roles. Did you know that Patrice Chereau was inspired by the creepy Riff-Raff from the Rocky Horror Picture Show, when he created Loge's look and his movements? I wonder how many folks in the audience noticed this, since there weren't many Wagner fans back then who were familiar with the Rocky Horror Picture 😉 When I first noticed the uncanny similarity of Zednik's Loge with Riff-Raff I was very surprised and it took me a while to find a source. But eventually I found some quotes from Chereau, which confirmed this. And since he was just 31 when he took up the immense challenge of staging the complete Centennial Ring in Bayreuth, it does make sense.

@susannevollmer2347

8 ай бұрын

@@sabineb.5616 YES! One of the bests Wagner scenes: Klein and Zednik. A masterpece by Chereau, Klein and Zednik. All in best sync/async.. with music and the words. Absolutely greatest I`ve seen. The Rocky Horror show I saw only one time. and dont remember a lot. In that years there was a discussion about the "Juwish Mime". Zednik himself said: "i never thought like that"!. Same I thought: It was joy of singing and playing! By the way Eidechsen erinnern mich an Drachen süße, kleine und niedliche. That is just my remembering: this "make sense" production was attaced be parts of press and public becouse they put into the industriell times "Großbürgertum" Verärgerte Anfangs viele ungeheuer! But it makes sense untill today to me!

@sabineb.5616

8 ай бұрын

@@susannevollmer2347 , Susanne, yes, I really don't know what to think about the idea of a Jewish Mime - and actually the rest of the Nibelungs being Jewish, too. Since Wagner was undeniably antisemitic, I wouldn't put it past him - but there is absolutely nothing in the music, which hints at such a context, and only the faintest allusion in the libretto: Mime cries "oi, oi", when the invisible Alberich beats his brother. And for some reason, this "oi, oi" has been associated with Jiddish. At the end of the day it's up to the director who can enhance or simply ignore these associations. I think that Chereau in Bayreuth or Otto Schenk at the Met ignored it - and that's fine with me! IMO it doesn't add anything important to the "Ring". It's a bit different, though, with the "Meistersinger" and "Parsifal". Kundry, who is one of Wagner's strangest characters, is definitely Jewish, and Sixtus Beckmesser could be seen as one of tbose Jewish critics and intellectuals who had according to Wagner such a bad influence on European music. However, neither "Kundry" nor "Sixtus Beckmesser" are Jewish names. Wagner was clever enough to keep it subtle. Aber nun zu den Eidechsen: ja, mit Flügeln könnten sie kleine Drachen sein, und Komodo-Drachen sind die größte Eidechsenart, die es gibt 😉 und wenn sie riesig groß wären und Klauen wie Krokodile hätten, wären sie ziemlich furchteinflössend! Ich denke aber, dass Drachen 🐉 🐉 🐉 auf der ganzen Welt in der Regel Reptitien sind.

The Otto Schenck production, even with some flaws, is much better than "The Machine."

Strange when this production is judged by Siegfried's very brief encounter with a dragon, I am very lucky I have all 4 ring operas by the Met on DVD and I love them, I also have the Bayreuth production that is set in what looks like a power station, that is strange. But isn't opera about the music, the voices, the passion, and the deep feelings and emotions that the performers if you are fortunate overwhelm an audience with?

@sabineb.5616

9 ай бұрын

Royal, you are of course right: one silly dragon doesn't destroy this mostly very good production. And I also love some less traditional productions if the underlying concept is plausible and if Wagner's stories are still told. Unfortunately this is less and less the case, and it's a tragedy that we see especially in Bayreuth increasingly strange productions which don't even try anymore to stage Wagner's stories as they have been written by him.

@LJGoldstein

8 ай бұрын

I think that since the Ring was composed to be presented at the Festspielhaus in Bayreuth that venue should be ground zero for traditional settings of his operas and NEVER the modern day trash that's presented there now. The Met is to my knowledge the only company in the States that still respects Wagner's work with traditional sets and costumes using today's FX.

I have to say that I agree with those who think that the dragon is ridiculous 😂 Is it really so hard to construct a great and at least somewhat scary dragon?? I am not surprised that Siegfried didn’t learn to be afraid 😉

@susannevollmer2347

8 ай бұрын

Yes, he looks like a great fish or something like that, with some very great tooth. More funny than dangerous. Disappointing...🙁

@susannevollmer2347

7 ай бұрын

The Ring Met 2011 conducter Levine/Luisi with Terfel and J.H. Morris is with a rather great snake with gluh-eyes and great tooth. Respektabel! Looks much better.

What happened to the Otto Schenk Das Rheingold that was on KZread? It seems to have disappeard today replaced by an unwatchable quality duplicate.

That was the cheapest most ridiculous-looking dragon (Fasolt's revenge after his brother Fafner killed him for the Ring) the Met is one of the richest opera companies and this is all they could come up with? A singing black dragon puppet head and vines for legs. Eww.

@theonewhoknocks6353

Жыл бұрын

Have you seen the other production's dragons? Don't get me wrong this is by no means a good representation of a dragon but no one and I mean NO ONE has created a good dragon for ''Siegfried''.

@Blokewood3

11 ай бұрын

Although this "dragon" looks like a blob with octopus tentacles and scorpion tails, it is able to do one thing better than any other production: fight. The fight with the dragon in this production at least looks like Siegfried is actually doing something. So many other productions have a dragon that can barely move its limbs or can't take a blow from a sword, so they either have Siegfried stand there awkwardly while the music plays or they have him cut at the air.

@Blokewood3

11 ай бұрын

@@theonewhoknocks6353 Yeah, I don't think Wagner gave any thought as to how anybody was supposed to stage this. He probably just figured "I'll let the stage manager figure it out."

@theonewhoknocks6353

11 ай бұрын

@Blokewood3 I totally agree. Wagner really just didn't care. He said "I want a dragon fight and I'm gonna have a dragon fight no matter what".

@stowlicters8362

10 ай бұрын

@@Blokewood3 doubt it, I bet the operas never filmed or photographed were the greatest ever.