I am not even in the market for either of these machines but your videos are so entertaining! Seriously my favorite spro channel

Your videos were amazing to begin with, now they even make me feel better as a Bianca owner! Keep it up brother!!

@Sprometheus

Жыл бұрын

Thank you my friend!

I’m starting my new search into espresso machines! So happy to have found this channel. After working with my Izzo Alex Duetto II for about 10 years, it’s on the fritz due to an arc/sparking issue!! That being said, the GS3 was the machine I was interested in upgrading to in the future. This video however brings a new contender to the table. I’m still swayed to the GS3, but time will tell. Thank you for your input and content.

GS 3 for me, fun and informative comparison, nicely done. Both are beautiful visually.

I own the Bianca v3 and love it! It is a joy to make espresso every morning and the machine fun to use!! I enjoy experimenting with the flow control 🤗 Thank you for your amazing video!!!

@Sprometheus

Жыл бұрын

Glad to hear you’re enjoying it, and thank you for the kind words!

I have had the Bianca for almost three years now and it's been a trusty machine. I have however been getting the itch to upgrade, but it's really hard to justify it, because the coffee you can make with the Bianca is close to perfect already. I find myself disappointed by this video, because it's pushing me back from upgrading :) Thanks a lot for the comparison! Please make a video about flow profiling and how you use preinfusion etc with the machines.

@Sprometheus

Жыл бұрын

Haha well there are some things you can get out of the GS3 the Bianca can’t, but it’s all about engineering like boiler sizes, and group differences. It definitely can be hard to justify the upgrade, but like I said in my review of the GS3, buying one isn’t a decision made in reason haha.

@aurelienbozet1684

Жыл бұрын

@@Sprometheus the difference might also be the temperature stability. The e61 is less stable than a saturated group. I hade the Rocket R58 before my GS3 MP, and I personally found the GS3 far superior to the e61 group, especially with light roast. But again, it is a matter of taste like you said.

GS3 all the way! Because it‘s so big you can really work around the machine, put something aside on the drip tray, have clear vision on the built in display and the overall cleaning experience is way better than on any other machine. But then you can get three Bianca v3 machines for the same price, at least here in Germany😅

We’ve awaited this!!!

@Sprometheus

Жыл бұрын

It has arrived!

Thanks for this. I recently purchased the Lelit after agonizing comparing it to a number of options including the GS3. Ultimately decided for my purposes, espresso just for me and a less than refined palate, the Bianca v3 hit the mark. I love that machine, if you can love a machine.

@Sprometheus

Жыл бұрын

You can absolutely love a machine! And it’s a great choice. Even if you don’t have a refined palate at the moment, it’s a machine that can grow with you and gives you a lot of freedom.

@TheDennzio

8 ай бұрын

i love machines as well

Team GS3 with the Team Bianca budget 😁 That being said, you had some great things to say about the Bianca.

🙋🏻‍♂️ Bianca - which, truthfully, was purchased after your in depth review. So thank you for that, as well! As for the video, it’s not everyday that someone can get these two on the bench together. Appreciate you spro 🫶🏼 - future videos of flow profiling techniques/recipes?!

Thanks for the great video as usual. In future videos, it would be nice to compare rotary pump machines to a spring lever machine like the profitec pro 800

@Sprometheus

Жыл бұрын

I’ve got some spring levers coming in the future so definitely expect to see that

Loved this video. I have owned a Lucca M58 with a Quick Mill flow control kit installed for 2.5 years. It doesn't have some of the automatic Preinfusion and temperature surfing features of the Lelit V3 but has flawlessly scratched my espresso control itch and made my pre-work morning coffee time an absolute delight. Paired with a Ceado E37S grinder I spent $4400 on this setup. Totally unjustifiable yet completely worth it, to me.

@kanotrt

Жыл бұрын

good machine/grinder setup. I may be leaning that way too. Any specific reasons you choose the E37S over the E37J? about $600-700 difference in price. THanks!

@payamirani5298

Жыл бұрын

@Scott Winkler I mainly picked it for the 83mm burrs and wormgear adjustment feature. Not sure (highly doubt) if either feature would make ANY difference in the cup over the 37J. I also bought mine for $1400 and didn't pay full retail.

Thanks a lot sir for the video...I believe Lelit Bianca v3 is the Queen of 2022. Hopefully you'll keep and we learn more about Lelit from you. Thanks again

I use daily a LaMarzocco Linea MINI at the office , for years now. Great shots . I started to use a Bianca at home a few weeks ago only, so too early for a final judgment but so far I would say that the shoots are similar or anyway the difference is not that big for me to worth the cost difference. Looking fwd now to see the reliability and time endurance . Thanks for the video !

@jurig5579

7 ай бұрын

So, 2 months later, what is your experience? Which espresso machine do you prefer for everyday use and taste, if money doesn't matter?

@ionelcondor5119

7 ай бұрын

@@jurig5579 La Marzocco still feels simple, robust, trusted despite being used heavy in the office. The price difference is too big to buy one at home! I would buy again a Bianca for home use and a La Marzocco for the office. Bianca is great, really great! Imo you can’t buy a better one for home use!

@ionelcondor5119

7 ай бұрын

@@jurig5579 Bianca has more options to play with the taste, if you like to keep experimenting! Go for Bianca in this case!

Personally, I think the phrase 'cafe-quality espresso' is comical. A cafe is never going to touch the quality and care of homemade espresso.

@jasonmather3382

Жыл бұрын

Unless you at a cafe where the baristas are fastidious, which is rare, surprised a famous KZreadr hasn’t been offered a “barista nightmare’s” reality show

@BensCoffeeRants

Жыл бұрын

They can be good

@scviper

Жыл бұрын

In my case, I have never made espresso as good as my favorite cafe does. They have a Kees Van Der Vesten (~25000 Eur), some big flat burr grinders (I am not sure of the model), their own roastery and some amazing, amazing baristas. My Niche and Bianca can never reach that level of shot clarity and sweetness. I am upgrading to a Lagom p64, maybe then I'll get closer.

@murraythebaker

Жыл бұрын

You are going to the wrong cafes

@BensCoffeeRants

Жыл бұрын

@@scviper Yeah, I think you'll definitely get there with some practice and the grinder upgrade! Usually if the cafe is a roaster / cafe they tend to know what they're doing I find :)

Nice review. While in the past I enjoyed DIY on espresso machines (a La Cimbali), at my age I find this is no longer something I want to do if it requires any significant disassembly of internals. I like the ability to call a Marzocco-approved (and very competent) tech to work on my machine if needed. Only required this service once in the first two years, and the cost was covered completely by Marzocco. Customer service and the ability to acquire 1st rate advice from Marzocco has been invaluable. Also I find the temperature stability of the saturated group to be far superior to the E61 group - it's like a rock, whereas more care and technique is required with an E61 (in the age of PID control, easier but nonetheless). I would also say that while the GS3 can be classed as a top-of-the-line prosumer machine, it straddles the line and is also a small, 1-group fully capable commercial machine (with NSF certifications) suitable for low-volume use in restaurants and small coffee shops.

@RaimondoAlfano

Жыл бұрын

I like the exposed group because it’s easily to bring the temp down when it gets too hot if it’s been running, without having to go through half a litre of specialty water in a cooling flush. The exposed group of e61 is an added bonus for me in that regard.

Nice comparison. I’m team Bianca. She’s a v2 and we’ve been a team for almost 2 years now. Absolutely love her and currently haven’t had the itch to upgrade, as I feel like there’s still plenty of room for me to evolve and explore the espresso world with her. I absolutely love the Bianca’s small footprint and removable tank. It provides for so much flexibility in terms of where I can place her. … also, and more importantly I find that she’s providing me with tasty espressos. Thanks a lot for your videos. They truly are appreciated. As someone else mentioned, I’d also love to see a video of how you work with pre infusion and flow profiling.

@chookchack

Жыл бұрын

Im 1yr in with my v2 and still learning every shot pulled.

@TheDennzio

8 ай бұрын

love me some good anthropomorphism

Thank you my friend.

@Sprometheus

Жыл бұрын

Of course, thank you for watching. Have great weekend!

Thanks for this comparison: Differences are slight in the nuance and probably if fine tuning enough on the Lelit the taste differences won't be recognizable at all any more. Hence, coming back to the crucial difference price: is the double price of the GS3 really worth it then? I love La M and it has something mythical...so, if going that route, probably the sentimental value is worth it ; )

First ! EDIT AFTER WATCHING. Thank you for an excellent video and the comparisons. I am sure either machine would be great. I just love the look and finish of the GS3 as a piece of coffee engineering ( and well above my pay grade, sadly ). Stay safe, all

@Sprometheus

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching Alan! And yeah, the GS3 does have a specialness to it that’s hard to describe. A unique beauty. Have a good weekend.

Not a rational choice due to significant diminishing returns, but team GS3 MP here. An iconic and beautiful piece of espresso history. Love the white panels!

@kanotrt

Жыл бұрын

diminishing returns for sure. Not sure if I can justify over double the price. Esp when they both have similar features.

I'm on the hunt for my first espresso machine. I'm very excited. I've watched A LOT of videos describing the strengths & weakness of many. I have to say after watching THIS video, I've pretty much made my decision and it's the Lelit Bianca, all the way. So thank you. You've been a real help. Btw, what is the brand of grinder to the left of the La Marzocca and have you done any videos on your favorite coffee bean grinder?

@brownsugarcoffee1

6 ай бұрын

Me2 I just purchased the lelit Bianca V3 today. I should get it on Monday.😮😊❤

Team Lelit , even though I own a Linea Mini. The price and performance of the Lelit make it an unbeatable option.

I'm going to raise sone eyebrows, but I modded my Delonghi for flow profiling and, with a decent enough grinder I can actually get the same notes at home, from the same coffee that I get served at a local (but really good) coffee shop. I'm already preparing to mod the modest thermoblock on it while raising the money for a flow control capable E61 machine. An incredible passion this is!

The local dealers provided a Bianca to me to try in my home. The results were dramatically improved over my lever. The Bianca was a very nice machine. Very tempting. After a lot of research and discussion I decided to go with the GS3MP. That was almost 4 years ago and the decision was definitely the right one. LM makes very stable and dependable machines.

Good Lord, your barista friend torqued the hell out of that portafilter!

What is the black funnel you are using for the 58mm PF? I have tried a few and am not happy with them… they are either inside of the basket, or too far away from the basket (outside ring) which makes a mess when adding ground coffee. The one you use looks to have a smooth transition to the IMS basket..

Bianca v3 sells at 1500 us dollars in China, i don't understand how it goes to 3000 us dollars in us. Maybe the third party distributors booked a business class ticket for the machine?

Been using the Bianca V2 for more than a year and I couldn’t be happier. Have tried brewing light roast Ethiopian to Dark roast Indian Monsoon Malabar 👌🏼

LM > Everything Maintenance, availability of parts, customer service. I used my 11 years old GS3 AV that was kept on 24/7 for its life with close to no issues. And when one arose, it was quickly remedied with a few hours of getting my hands dirty

Thanks you for this video. I have rocket r9. before I had 2 experiences with 2 flow control on bezzera matrix- profitec and lelit kit. It's just better world. much more accurate And much more control. People who have not had experience with such machines will never understand. I am with the mp team!! And I love your Odaka Home cups!!

@Sprometheus

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Sharon! And those cups are beautiful. I need to get ahold of the Rocket soon, how do you like it?

@revolutiondance1141

Жыл бұрын

@@Sprometheus I can tell you this I’ve had the linea mini the GS3 MP the VA prima & some E61’s the rocket R9 one is the best espresso machine I’ve owned.

Is that a $4000 taste difference? That is where the question of diminishing returns comes in.

@Sprometheus

Жыл бұрын

I wouldn’t say it’s a $4000 taste difference, but like one thing I mentioned in my review of the GS3 was that buying one isn’t a choice made in reason because there are other machines that do the same for less.

@KrishnenduKes

Жыл бұрын

@@Sprometheus Absolutely. It is not a choice made in reason. Appreciate your reply. 🤙🏽

Hi 👋 which temperature was used in each machine? If the set temp was the same on the PID Bianca will be 4/7c off that temp at group head vs the GS3 that might be at the set temp. Did you noticed any temperature difference in the cup? Thanks!

Thanks for the great video! You made me wanna upgrade my MaraX to Bianca (in white) 🤪

A bianca is about 2500 dollars here in Europe. Paying more than 3 times more for a la marzocco SHOULD yield better results. I got my bianca V2 for 1600 dollars, an absolute steal for what it can produce. Use the paddle daily for preinfusion and works like a charm.

I feel there is diminishing returns factor. I own the Bianca V2 and am extremely happy with it, and I've used the GS3 which may be mildly better but I don't feel the GS3 is $4500 better. If budget wasn't a factor, I'd probably just skip the GS3 and jump up to the Slayer Single Group. All that said, the Bianca scratches my flow control itch when I'm feeling experimental, but I picked up an E1 Prima a few months ago, and thats become my daily machine.

@kanotrt

Жыл бұрын

yes, it's that $4500 price difference.

thank you for your effort, is the GS3 a flow profiling or pressure profiling, based on your experience it their a differences between flow profiling and pressure profiling. the reason for my questions is because I am in the ,market for a machine after 5 years on the LMLM

Thanks for this video :) I am here because of the itch. I don’t own any of these currently; but there’s a itch further more after watching this since the price point and style of pulling the shots with pre infusion is so impressively versatile. I like to ask if There’s gona be a video or is there 1 already for a slayer vs the GS3 comparison. Nvm the price point since it’s already beyond reasoning 😂

The price difference in the Netherlands is even more, €2.250 vs €8,050 delivered.

I have a Breville Dual Boiler and have been enjoying long preinfusion shots on it. I don’t really want to give up my hot water so I haven’t done the slayer mod. I’ve been eying the Lelit Bianca, but wasn’t sure I wanted to go that route since it seems like the e61 is less temperature stable than my Dual Boiler. Would the Bianca give me a better cup or should I skip that upgrade and save money for a bigger jump up?

I found Bianca thermal stability in 20-25mins.. GSE 45mins? is this correct? However Bianca has a few plastic tubes; ie. on the inside of the steam wand (should be able to replace). Is there any plastic in the GS3? Would imagine not at that price..

I have an ECM synchronika with flow control. Sometimes makes awesome coffee, like the Bianca the feedback while brewing is minimal. I wish I could get hold of a gs3 to use for a few days to see how much the difference is, or maybe the decent would be the way to go, hey how about a blind taste off between the gs3 and the decent? Or I’ve heard about some new piston machine?

Thank you, very interesting comparison of the two machines. At my price point I'm very interested in the Lucca A53 Mini V3 by Clive(I'm in Portland). It is a 53mm basket, but 1K less

@Sprometheus

Жыл бұрын

I haven’t had the chance to use that machine yet. Maybe I should reach out to Clive.

@pdxrunner

Жыл бұрын

@The Real Sprometheus I liked the specs at that price point. Also, I suggested to Atlas Coffee Customer Service (which is great) to contact you about sponsorship.

Another great video. It’s unlikely I’ll ever be in the market for a machine that is even as expensive as the Lelit so my opinion isn’t worth much, however I think that the Lelit is hard to go past here when you consider the value proposition. I still have a problem with people (you included) calling these machines ‘flow control’ machines. That simply isn’t true. The design of the Lelit means that it is closer to a flow control machine, but you’re still using a pressure reading to make adjustments. Flow and pressure are completely different- flow is a fixed (but adjustable) input variable whereas pressure is an output variable that results from the combination of a number of other variables including flow. I wish people would make that clearer. At the moment the DE1 is the only machine that allows you to control flow in real time during a shot with the data visible. It’s possible on a Breville BES920 with the flow control mod, but you either need to add another gauge or do some testing to establish set points on the existing gauge that show what the flow is.

@russojerry

Жыл бұрын

When manipulating the flow paddles on both the GS3 and Bianca you are directly impacting the water debit, hence controlling the flow. In turn, that directly impacts the pressure in the grouphead. Just because a tablet isn't displaying real time data doesn't mean it's not happening.

@leroythecoffeegeek4611

Жыл бұрын

@@russojerry of course, you just don't have any idea of what it is as an input variable. You see and use the outcome.

Pretty sure I k ow the answer to this already, but would the Lelit hold up to multiple shots in a row? I'm looking to start a side gig catering espresso and would probably use whatever machine I get in my home when I'm not working. Any chance the Bianca would hold up in something like that?

I haven’t been able to try the Bianca, but being a new GS3MP owner (and former LM Mini owner), I have to say that you made the right decision to go with the GS3 MP. It is a bit better than the Mini in several ways: flow control (obviously), longer and cool touch steam wand, proper height from portafilter to drip tray for larger cups, easier accessibility to the inside of the machine (from the side), and a better overall profile for most kitchen countertops (a bit wider but shorter than the Mini). Do you still have your Mini?

Feels like Rolls Royce vs Mercedes 😂 budget no object the GS3 is simply gorgeous vs. another nice e61. Doubt I have your super palate to discern the subtle nuances you describe. I have used a Fiorenzato Bricoletta HX e61 for 10 years. Added a Lucca flow control paddle and pressure gauge - and love the ability to flow profile - it transforms the machine and the process. Looking at Levers and the Decent for a someday upgrade. Thanks for your fabulous content - love your channel ❤❤❤ Are you ever going to explain the Pony boy reference?

I have a bianca since 2 years and agree that it’s a great machine, I would also like more resistance from the paddle, this is the only thing that feels a bit “cheap” when using it :) What I don’t get is the price of Bianca in the US… I bought mine here in Switzerland for 1700 CHF during Black Friday sale, but its standard price is around 2200 CHF here (with tax). Why is it so expensive in America? Here it’s a clear price/performance winner also against other E61 machines (which can be retrofitted with paddle for flow control), but in US I would consider other options (ECM, Profitec…) which don’t get that significant price jump there…

Would love to hear your thoughts on the Profitec Pro 700

Hey! What about the linea micra vs the bianca? They have a more similar price range and have some differences too. While this would be especiall useful for me, it would really be an entertaining video. Thanks!

GS 3 no question. After to many half way tryouts (Silva, Rancilio class 5, la Cimbali 21 junior) I spent the required ridiculous some and it is ridiculously good.

Good video. I feel like in part this comes down to budget. With limitless budget, why not get the LM GS3? The GS3 is pretty much double the cost. I would love to have a Slayer and a Kafatek Monolith Flat Max but that isn't and WON'T be in the cards shy of winning the lotto. In regards to flow profiling, how does something like the Decent compare as far as providing the ultimate in flexibility? If it can be compared at all due to other factors.

@Sprometheus

Жыл бұрын

The Decent is a bit of a unique case. I don’t personally enjoy using it, but it does have a lot of control. But the control is all computer based, and I like the raw, moment to moment, manual control of these machines.

@ramonwillems73

Жыл бұрын

Want manual, get a lever.

Hi, thank you for your video. I own a lelit bianca and I am super excited! Can you answer me one question please? Did you use the same basket for the comparison? If not. Can you please do? Thanks in advance!

@Sprometheus

Жыл бұрын

I did use the same basket for the comparison, the IMS competition.

@stylianos4570

Жыл бұрын

@@Sprometheus Do you remember if the grind settings was matching or there was a slightly difference? Thanks again for your video!!!

"Hey Siri! Pull some shots for me!"... I think my Siri is broken.

I’ve been wondering for a while, what are those cups? They are beautiful!

@Sprometheus

Жыл бұрын

Those are the Emma cups from Odaka - www.odakahome.com

I am an owner of Lelit Bianca v3 (in chrome, not that beautiful white color you own there). That's my team. I have to admit though, that I am looking forward in the future to try saturated group heads, like the ones from La Marzocco GS3 and the Rocket R9 One. Should I try and replace my IMS basket with one from Wafo, that you showed us ? I am only using double spout, so not worried at all about channeling - causing a mess

Did you check the actual water temperature on the Lelit? I just installed one in my coffee shop and found that while it was set at 95 Celsius in the pid but it was actually running at about 92 degrees after 40 minutes and pulling 10 shots. That could pretty well explain the difference in taste. The pid has an offset setting to correct this.

@cryptocontractor7983

Жыл бұрын

You have to set pid to 99 degrees to offset temp loss. Try it, it works!

@franswiersma8498

Жыл бұрын

@@cryptocontractor7983 you can actually change the offset in the service menu so you can set the pid at the desired temperature.

May I ask what is it about the Bianca that scratched that itch more than the GS3? You did mention that the GS3 makes it easier to control whereas the Lelit has a looser paddle. Do you prefer the Bianca because of the higher concentration needed?

@Sprometheus

Жыл бұрын

One machine didn’t scratch it more than the other. The Lelit just provided the profiling experience that I had been wanting to upgrade for, and for less.

@LumiLunar

Жыл бұрын

@@Sprometheus I see. I don't see myself ever buying a GS3. But something like the Lelit is something I would consider. Personally I see mysf getting a Robot or the Flair 58 as a more realistic purchase.

What are the silicone mats on your bar?

Bianca here - the value for money is amazing on that unit. Also uses up slightly less counter space.

Can i use bianca for small commercial use? How dependable bianca for back to back usage?

In my part of the world , Bianca is much cheaper, basically at a fraction of GS3 cost. If I ever upgrade, GS3 or slayer it would be. And will then bother having it plumped in and use some water solution, which I believe will drastically improve the shot quality.

Quality balanced video as always 👍

How long does it truly take these two machines to come up to temperature before you can pull that first tasty shot? Something very important to me.

I’m gonna go with the argument that at a staggering 4000 dollar difference - for a reversion to mean on all time coffee tastiness -, you could spend it all on tons of coffee or even roasting. 60kg of the most expensive Brazilian black gold is around $2K. Not excluding the fact that you could probably go towards the rabbit hole of roasting with the Bullet roaster at $3.5K. There’s so much to explore with that kind of money in the coffee industry that I actually do not believe it is worthwhile to get the GSP instead of a Bianca.

Nice video! I have the Bianca v2 and I want to get à La Marzocco one day. Change my Bianca for the Micra it will be a good move? (I don't have the space for the mini or the GS3)

@AndyS2K76

2 ай бұрын

the same. I have v2 bianca and I don't know if moving on the micra....

Nice comparison. Glad that you did a blind taste test!

@Sprometheus

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Mark, and yeah the blind taste tests are always fun too. This was the first time I picked both from the same machine on a comparison.

Great video, Question is Lelit V3 or Micra?

@Sprometheus

Жыл бұрын

No question, Bianca V3. Once you flow profile, it’s hard to let go of that control.

The Synchonika you had last year has pretty similar functionality to the Bianca.

In China, Lelit Bianca v3 only needs US $1870, while the GS3MP needs US $7000.. So I didn't hesitate to choose Bianca v3

What's the warm up time for the GS3MP ? The Bianca is about 15 minutes for just espresso. (a little longer for steam)

@eriklundqvist4221

6 ай бұрын

30 minutes for the gs3

I have owned the Bianca since it first came out…. Although I love playing with Bar pressure and all that ( mine is not working very well anymore by the way) the reality of not having enough time in the morning and seemingly always rushing off to do something has me looking for a new user friendly espresso machine with less bells and whistles that makes a great espresso consistently and easily. The new Marzocco Micro seems to fit that bill… hope to make the change soon. Any thoughts?

@wisecrackmelmoc2301

11 ай бұрын

That is also my issue between the 2 issues . The 10 mins warm up time + the repeatability is what is pushing me towards lmlMi

I'm team Mara-x until I win the lottery 😂 But I love it. Might try the flow profile mod at some point!

I really like San Remo You but there isn’t much online Scott it yet so might have to just hold up

did you use the same basket for both? I just upgraded the portafilter basket on my Bianca and it. makes. it a lot better

@JakubTarnawski

Жыл бұрын

What basket (or which version of Bianca) did you have previously?

@craigcalistro3754

Жыл бұрын

I have the standard IMS basket that came with Bianca V3. Freind of mine gave me a Kees Van Der Weston 18 gram basket and that made ALL SHOTS better from all coffees.

Why didnt add in manual-flair 58 in the to complete the comparison with manual profiling in the mix..

You have to change the shower screen in the Lelit bianca , because you use in GS3 IMS shower screen , must be the same in Lelit bianca to make your comparison fair

There's also a 'little' bit of a price difference between them so Bianca has that going for it!

the minor advantage that the gsm3 could provide don't justify the gap of 4,500 usd dollars. i do have the Lelit Bianca V 2, and honestly speaking, there is not match contender, neither in price range, double range or price wise ratio!, awesome build, consistency, creativity, and a lot headroom to play around with your taste and coffee profile

Also: my guess is that the gs3 is way more repairable and easier to maintain and fix if something is broken

I love the gs3 but financially speaking I would prob buy the Bianca if I was to purchase one of those two machines.

i have a bianca, i love it!

Looking for an entry level commercial machine for a small coffee operation. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.

Team GS3... But mostly because I have one but mine is the AV rather than the MP. It gets used on a coffee cart and probably the best thing about it is just how many coffees you can pump out with it. You get heaps of steam and plenty of temperature stability. having said that, I wouldn't recommend it to people. Just too darn expensive and you can make a really good espresso with far less money.

Spro. I’ve recently moved on from the Synchronika (Which I remember you looked at a little while ago). I did not like the ECM flow control much. It was finicky and not very repeatable. I was curious if the Bianca is easier to control and use? I would say team GS3 for flow control.

@scviper

Жыл бұрын

From someone with an older Bianca (I think V2): it's very easy to control, I would say it's very repeatable. The fact that the paddle only moves about 230 degrees, on the left being fully closed and on the right fully open, makes it very intuitive and simple to use.

@FinleyJonas

Жыл бұрын

@@scviper I like on the Bianca it works side to side. I get the concept is the same however having to rotate a small knob around in a circle didn’t work for me. Thx for the feedback!

My dream is getting the gs3 La Marzocco is pure art

My preference is… drumroll… the Mini. I like balancing time, yield, and temperature and leaving it at that. Adding flow (let alone temperature) profiling would give me too many options. I probably hated chem lab more than any other class. I’m just not an experimenter. Also, I tend to make small milk drinks, so I’m probably not seeking perfection like a straight espresso drinker. If I were tempted to upgrade, I could probably sell the Mini, buy the Lelit, and pocket some change. I’d have to save up some real cash for the GS3. The Lelit would feel like a downgrade, so I’d probably save up for the GS3. But if I’m to save up for any upgrade, it would be to get a large flat burr grinder over my conical Niche. Overall, both of these machines would be great for those who want profiling. Maybe the Decent would be the other consideration.

I’ve own the Bianca for two days and already love it. Between the two I prefer the Bianca. The GS3 is too big and expensive and I don’t like the esthetics. I’m my opinion I doubt if there even is a difference in taste, that it would justify the purchase and the esthetic and price differences.

I actually eye the Dalla Corte Studio. I would love the Mina but it is just waaaay above my price range.

@s96822

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Studio is their much needed response to la spaziale s1 and variants because the mina is way too expensive. if not mistaken spaziale and dalla corte were once the same company before parting ways? at least a decade ago i almost bought a mina but dalla corte pressured the distributor to not sell it to me at a low price point so i got a spaziale s1 albeit no flow control but great shots. interesting is a 58mm option on the studio. i wonder if that option would make other portafilters fit like a LM one? i have seen modded studio with flow control and a vibe pump spaziale modded with flow control. being my first real espresso machine is a olympia cremina direct piston that is in effect flow control and i prefer the spaziale shots i will opt out of upgrading to a newer flow control machine. lelit and decent look like best bang for the buck and there is a vbm electronica that is nice also with flow control.

Just waiting for the Micra GS3

@Sprometheus

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Haha not sure if that one is in the cards.

I'm still stuck between the Lelit Bianca v3 and the Decent DE1 Pro. I love the aesthetic of the Bianca but I love the ease of use that comes with the Decent (I'm a coffee nerd, my wife is not). Can please you help me sway one way or the other? Also, I'm getting ready to preorder the Lagom P64 in black. Do you have issues with scratches and dings on the black model? I'm worried that they might stick out like a sore thumb, adding insult to injury.

@mericlis

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Im looking for a de1pro too

@Slipknot666boy

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@@mericlis It's such a tough choice because they're not much different in price but wildly different in workflow. Nonetheless, we're talking about sub-$3k espresso machines which, for the majority of people, are considered "end-game machines" and objectively costly investments. The last thing I want to do is go all-in on one machine and be left wondering "what if" on the other. What made you decide to go with the de1 pro?

@craigcalistro3754

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@@Slipknot666boy The taste from an e61 group head such as on the Lelit is better than the head on the DE1 if all other water variables are equal.

@Slipknot666boy

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@@craigcalistro3754 would you say, for a coffee-illiterate person like my wife, it is easier to learn to use the Bianca or the Decent?

@craigcalistro3754

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@@Slipknot666boy In general espresso machines are easy to use. Dialing in the grind and preparing the puck are the hardest parts and neither machine does that. To me the Bianca is easier to use than a computer screen.

I think the Bianca is let down by the E61 grouphead. It may have good intrashot temperature stability but E61 machines are notorious for terrible intershot temperature management which may be contributing to the difference in results.

I have a Synesso Hidra , a Marzocco strada , a Marzocco leva and a Faema e61 hold at home , guess who wins ?

@Rene-DdW

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And?

Peak pressure of 6 bars??? Why?

Next we need a blind taste test with the Bianca, GS3, and Slayer... maybe a Kyle Rowsell collab?!?

@Sprometheus

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You know we live in different countries right? Haha

@SkinnyGeek_1010

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@@Sprometheus haha, darn, that makes it a bit tougher to bring over 😂

Decent vs Bianca V3?

Mhh, I really can’t get used to the design of most E61 machines. I mean the Bianca doesn’t look like the usual chrome bomber, but it still looks like a fancy steampunk device. I prefer the GS3 that looks like a workshop utility. I know that doesn’t answer any of the questions from the video but design is such a huge factor for me 😅 But I can’t afford a GS3 anyways 😅

I used both machine doing more than 100 cups now, hands down GS3 😉

The gs3 is just an unique piece of the finest tec but way too much for just home use… bianca ticks all boxes here with lower built quality and not aimed for decades of use with it’s average components… where I live one can get 3 biancas for one gs3… bianca is the way to go… enjoy!