I have an RT and I get asked the same question in reverse. I chose the RT over the GS because the RT has better wind protection. Ultimately you can’t ignore the reason there is an RT and a GS. The RT was built for more touring comfort even though the GS is also a perfectly capable tourer. Each to their own. I would not trade my RT on a GS.

I have had my RT since 2015 and the only time I have not appreciated all the bells and whistles was when I found myself on a loose gravel road - 11 kms in and 11kms out to the tar road. The big beast (in rain mode) behaved well and I took it slow and survived to tell the tale. The screen - as long as it is kept clean just disappears after a while - I don't notice it anymore. A wiper at slow speeds in the rain would help. As for being ugly - the beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I find those road bikes with a weird shaped headlight stuck out the front to be ugly (the new KTM is one). I have it on good authority that the sight of an RT filling the rearview mirror is an awesome sight. I don't think I could go back to sports or cruiser bikes. You are right - there is bike envy involved when people see you on any BMW - some say it's an old mans bike - but if being comfortable - mile after mile, on a reliable machine makes me an old man - so be it. As the Penguin says "Smile and wave boys" and I will just keep smiling all the way.

Learnt many years ago, for high mileage all weather use, a bike's only as good as its fairing.

I've just got off back to back testing of these two bikes, & bought the GSA 1250. My wife & I tested them 7 times, the GS 1250 exclusive, the GSA 1250 Rallye, the RT 1250 & a brand new GSA 1200. It wasn't hard at all to separate these bikes at all. My wife only has pillion experience & was gob smacked at how different all bikes felt. When it comes to comparing the GS to anything, you really have to separate the GSA from the GS. It is amazingly better the GSA over the GS. When we got off the GSA 1250, we jumped onto the RT & after 10mins our legs were sore. The RT has your knees bent more, & the GSA was so much more comfortable having your legs more "Stretched" out. The handling on the RT was better around a corner. It was almost effortless, where as the GSA it felt like every corner you were almost hanging off. Thats because its taller, & the RT's centre of gravity is lower so turning in & hanging is quicker & easier. I dont find the "Cocoon" feeling of no wind on the RT a good thing at all. The essence of motorbiking is "the wind in your hair" so to speak. I live in Sydney AUS, & its been a hot summer so far, I've almost cooked myself at lights on the 3 week old GSA. When i start moving its only slightly better. My Ducati monster is a delight for summer, all wind ! Do you get what I mean gents? The RT is a great bike, & like i've said before, if it wasn't for the GSA, I probably would've bought an RT. I need multiple bikes, & the GSA nails it for a majority of rides. I've noticed RT owners are usually vertically challenged people. I've never seen a tall RT rider. I now know why after the cramped ride compared to the GSA. I hated the GSA with a passion a few months ago. I wanted the GS, but after riding the GS 4 times on test rides, I never got a wow factor from a GS. Its just a plodder. It does the job. I didnt want to stop riding it, but never had that wow factor. Then, I jumped on what I thought was one of the most ugliest bikes in the world, the scaffolding king of them all, the GSA! Gentlemen, I cannot tell you at how good this bike is. Its a WOW bike!!!!! If you ever have the chance to ride a GSA, I'll give you one massive tip. Put the bike in Dynamic mode for the power, & the suspension in road mode. It is the "Rolls-Royce" of motorbike suspension. The RT's suspension felt exactly the same as the big GSA, but with a more cramped seating position. The big GSA is 20kg heavier than a GS, but just pour 20 litres instead of 30, & you wont feel the extra 10 anyway. The tank is the only thing bigger compared to the GS, but the handlebars are still the same. It is intimidating when you look at a GSA if you haven't ridden one. I thought I could never ride one, how wrong I was. I really like the automatic screen on the RT, & I'm a little lost why the top-of-the-line GSA doesnt get it!!! Now if you plod along on your test ride, these two bikes are going to be very difficult to separate, bar the seating position with your legs. Yo need to ride them a little quicker, a bit like you've just stolen it! Ride them like your on your S1000RR, R1, Panigale, & pretend your on a sports bike. Then, & only then, will you distinguish the difference between bikes. I was once a "track Junkie" & bought a van to go to race tracks regularly. I was a one eyed, blinker wearing sports bike nut. Until I rode the GSA.............amen gents. Cheers groovers ;-)

@Belindaxtz660

5 жыл бұрын

I can't agree more!😉going for a test ride means testing it thoroughly...explore everything the bike has to offer and try riding it on a regular favorite ride so one can compare against own bikes ridden on same route. your comment deserves a highlight...🤔😎🏍

@mickfinn2596

5 жыл бұрын

You've hit the nail on the head there. I've had 2 RTs followed by a GS and 2 GSAs and one of the major differences between the RT and the GS/GSA is that the RT has a more cramped riding position and if youre long in the leg with dodgy knees like me, the RT is painful to ride after a few hours in the saddle. If it wasnt for that, I would still be riding an RT because the wind protection is superior and you get the luxuries like the electric screen and heated seat. I'm guessing the reason why BMW dont offer those as options on the GS/GSA is, as TMF says, they would lose RT sales and possibly make the model unviable to manufacture. There is one other difference in my book. At high autobahn speeds I just dont feel that the GS/GSA is as planted as the RT. The GS/GSA just feels a little light at the front at these speeds and if I was doing a lot of autobahn/high speed miles, I'd definitely have the RT rather than the GS/GSA even with the more cramped riding position

@beamdoctor5637

5 жыл бұрын

@Moto Groover, Great Data, I have had all the bikes I really wanted. 996,998, BMW RT, Wing, all the GSXR's, Aprilia RSV 1000 R, then I bought a Super Tenere left over new for $12K . I liked them all but still needed a ZX10R 2015 to satisfy my need for a light high performance bike. Then only difference now is I trailer it long distance for some rides. The Super Ten I do long distance on and some off road. The GSA still eludes me due to cost.

@motogroover2789

5 жыл бұрын

@@Belindaxtz660 Yeah the missus got a bit tired in the end after 3 different bikes on the same bit of road. So I dropped her off back at the dealership for a coffee break whilst I tore the rear tyres off the bikes! I had the GSA 1250 up at 148kmh through twisties & had that feeling I was on a very tall sports bike. When I slowed down to about 98kmh, It then dawned upon me that I was on brand new rubber & had to scrub them in! Strewth!!! All 3 bikes had no more than 40 km total on them!! I loved all of them, but that suspension took the cake on the GSA. What a difference it made once I turned the wick up on them. The truth came out in spades. Cheers groover ;-)

@motogroover2789

5 жыл бұрын

@@mickfinn2596 Yeah I haven't experienced the very high speeds yet. Just picked her up from the first service, so the lights are finally green!!! Nudge, nudge, wink, wink! But I'd have to agree with you, as when I'm on the motorway doing between 110kmh to 140kmh, you can tell clearly the wind factor begins to dictate the posture of the whole bike. I actually questioned that point in my mind whilst riding, wondering what it would be like at 200+. I was truly gobsmacked at how well the RT handled. That huge front contraption you have when riding doesn't make you feel like its going to handle at all. In fact straight line riding is more the feeling you get at first. But once you dip her into the turn, I could've swore I was on a 600cc bike! & that was with the missus on the back!!! Strewth!!! And I'm comparing this type of handling with my ex '14 RSV4, ex '16 S1000RR, & all my lovely 90's GSXR's I tracked regularly. That is a big statement to make for a bike. Hats off to the RT. Cheers groover ;-)

Great review again Mr TMF! I love both bikes. In the event that a BMW ended up living in my garage I would go with the GSA. I agree that 95% of my riding would be on tarmac. I like the ergonomics of the GSA better especially the seat to peg dimension. My second factor is that with the GSA when you are on tour and hit road construction or a truly crap road surface you have the ability to stand up and ride (also nice for just stretching old legs and back). Final consideration is looks. I LOVE the GSA’s looks. Especially in the Exclusiv spec with the Kalamata Metallic paint scheme. Thanks for the thought provoking video! Peace!

Another factor you might want to consider when you’re pondering this question. How old are you? If you’re higher mileage in age, the RT has comfort and convenience features that will have a strong calling and appeal to you. Your body will keep thanking you for the heated seats and grips, the push button windshield, the central locking system, side storage cases and that “ugly” (form follows function) fairing every time you mount the bike and go for a ride. I wrestled with this same question awhile ago (GSA or RT?) and the RT was my choice. So you probably guessed that I am a youth challenged person riding an Old Mans Bike. Right. And proud of it. The bike that is. If you’re younger or middle aged now and prefer the GSA, you might have a change of heart when you start knocking on the doors of the Golden Years of your life. If you’re younger or middle aged and prefer the RT, you’ve planned well for the future. So put me down for the RT - from a happy Old Guy on an Old Mans Bike. 🙃

@sootythegeezer6406

5 жыл бұрын

I'm also fast approaching my bus pass, and am more than happy with the RT. I have two other friends of similar age, both of whom chose the RT. In all cases our better halves preferred being a passenger on the RT. So it looks like it really does suit us old fellas better. Also, my good lady isn't keen on me growing a beard, so I can't really embrace the Charlie Boorman image. ;-)

@STOPsignforRT

5 жыл бұрын

Sooty Beemer “Bus Pass” - LOL 😆. Luv it. 👍 I tried growing a mustache and/or beard several times but my better half gave me a tongue lashing every time so here I sit with no facial hair whatsoever. But having the RT puts me back in good standing all the time as she loves the pillion on it. OLD FARTS FOREVER!!!

@FishyFishy4Fifty

4 жыл бұрын

33 years old and bought a 2019 R1250RT. Sold the Harley. When it comes to safety and comfort it was a no brainer. Not trying to fit in with any kind of motorcycle riders. Just love riding. 🤙🏻

@travelinben1966

4 жыл бұрын

STOPsign Same here mate.My wife said she doesn’t like beards.I said, then don’t grow one!😂

@roadglide

4 жыл бұрын

STOPsign Age is just a number. Take a look at many of these top BMW Adventure schools and these guys are up there. Many of the men are well into their 50’s and 60’s. Rawhyde for one here in Texas in the States.

Good question and well answered Mr Flyer. Being able to remove boxes and the ability to attach things to the general scaffolding is by far more practical for the non touring days

Thank you for the time taken and effort in making this video …. With the accompanying comments, it’s very informative!

Very thought provoking TMF , I,m actually picking up my new RT tomorrow after 4 yrs of GS ownership. Comfort and weather protection are the deciding factors, although I have grown to like the look of the RT over recent months. As you say, both great bikes.

Great vid TMF. Now enjoying the 1250rt after 3 GSA’s I thought I needed a change 😀 Both are great bikes 👍

This vid is a great testimony of the great efforts the guys at GoPro have made in order to make their cameras aerodynamic. It's truly a remarkable job.

brilliant review. hit the nail on the head about the low centre of gravity it's amazing with the boxer engine.

2012 RT rider here. The front fairing on mine doesn't seem to look as bulbous as the new one but it wouldn't put me off riding the new one. All that being said, I'll keep my 2012. It suits me perfectly. Enjoyed your reviews.

Hey Kid! Great new vid. Am a K1600GT owner, but still think the R1250RT is absolutely beautiful!! I know, i know, matter of opinion... :-) Keep them great vids coming!! Love it! Would also like to see an indepth side by side comparison by you on GT vs RT!

Personally, i`d buy a used one for around 10K and enjoy the rest of the cash on touring!

Once again, nice video. And some good points. From my side, I owned the Honda ST1300 and loved it. I went everywhere on it, mostly camping. Then a couple of years ago I changed and got the BMW R1200 GSA. Again I love it and will keep it. But I still love the ST 1300 but my reason for changing was that with the GSA I can now throw on my tent and a load of other thing and tie them down. I could not do that really on the ST without wandering if I was going to scratch the plastic or not. The added bonus of having the crash bars on the GSA takes away that worrying feeling of what if I ever dropped the ST and have to fork out a ton of money for new plastic. I have been off road and I will again. But I mostly ride on road and over here in Sweden, bikers don't care what bike you have. I am touring Europe in September and again that added feeling that if I drop the GSA on the tour doesn't worry me. If I did it on the ST I´m sure it would. Plus I like that you can upgrade the GSA and make it your own with the help of companies like Touratech.

Last 10 years I've gone thru 3 RTs (2 of the 1200 and one 1250) and 4 GSAs(3 1200 and one 1250)... After all that I am back on 2021 R1250RT currently. Even though I love GSA in many ways somehow RT has its own seductive appeal on me that lands one of them in my garage again. GSA is like a Jeep while RT feels like a two door sports car to me. Seriously though even I love GSA's versatility it makes me feel like I am not a 100% rider. Everytime I come to a stop on my GSA it feels like I get a little wobblier just before the full stop.. Yet, I can come to full stop on my RT and I could still balance the bike at full stop for a second or two before I put my feet down. RT is so well balanced that it makes you feel like you're an expert level rider. Your U turns becomes tighter and less wobblier or coming to full stop, slow parking speed maneuvers all become more stabilized compare to the ones you perform on a GSA. If I could afford more than one bike I'd still have a GSA in my garage in addition to my RT. But if only one bike I am kind of 50/50 or maybe 51/49 RT/GSA ratio... My '21 RT now has AM/FM?Sirius-XM installed too. Even though Motorrad Connected needs a lot of upgrades and improvements, 10.25" TFT looks good.

Good video. If I was touring on my own, I would chose the GS. For two up, the RT is hard to beat.

TMF Good video as always, i had the same problem deciding so I brought both! haven't picked them up yet, my dealer loves me!

Thanks for sharing this. I think I would have to go with the RT. I am strictly a road rider and I would prefer the better weather protection and the heated seat.

Another great review TMF and one that will split your subscribers for sure in a healthy way though. Having tested both myself I went for the RT, here's why for what it's worth. The GSA is compromised on the road with the offroad large front wheel which I felt lacks the feel of conventional road size wheels especially if you're in a hurry. The RT has a wider choice of tyres. The GS is much more difficult to keep clean especially the spoke wheel versions. I often ride two up so the larger seat and adjustable screen helps. The RT comes with colour matched panniers so no need to fork out more on them. I happen to like the sound system available for the RT. Finally I didn't need to change my wardrobe, helmet or boots for the RT either ;)

@motonirvana6861

5 жыл бұрын

Paul Harris totallyagree Paul. For me when I have ridden both bikes, the 17" inch front wheel on the RT makes a world of difference in improved handling versus the 19" wheel size on the GS/A's which feels a bit sluggish. For taller riders, I can see how the ergonomics could be better on the GS.

The RT is a beautiful bike, it has a Suzuki VStrom look, and it is a handsome bike! I'll have to look at a RT but it might be out of my price range. But wow both bikes are very beautiful, and they're BMW's. Nice review friend! Good job.

Must commemorate on your Norway blogs last summer. I followd every bit, exellent videos and exellent pr for Norway. Thanks. I also like your take on the new bmw 1250 gsa. I may look into that bike more and book a testride

@TheMissendenFlyer

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks Arild!

I am with you, if I had the money there would be a R1250GS sitting in my garage. Thanks for another great video, stay safe.

The GSA isn't really less weight than the RT. I just measured the weight of my saddlebags (2014 R1200RT) and they weigh 13.5 lbs apiece. Subtract that from the stated weight of the 1250 GSA and you end up within 8 lbs of the 1250 RT; that is the weight of the extra gallon of fuel the GSA carries. If you ride your RT without bags (like a bone stock GSA) there is no real difference.

I have tried all the new R1250s but the RT. However, few years back I got to ride a R1200RT AC for a day whilst my R1200R AC was in service. I was surprised how quickly the RT turns, I filtered quicker on the RT than my R. I think it was due to the rake angle. The new RT also has steeper rake than R. What's more was that I felt like Cpt Picard commanding the USS Enterprise! RT over GS any day!

As usual an excellent video, I had a BMW R100RS, K100RS and now a GS1200, all three were super to ride each covering different aspects of Motorcycling, the GS I feel is more a complete package as the allrounder, as they say the choice is yours but we would miss you on your GS trademark. Ride safe.

@TheMissendenFlyer

5 жыл бұрын

I’ve no plans to sell - she’s a keeper!

A few years ago I was in the market for a new bike the GS Adventure was what I wanted but on borrowing a friend's one , I found that I could barely reach the ground on it, even though it was fitted with the low saddle, but if I had to stop on an incline or uneven part of the road I was in trouble, so I bought the RT the older air-cooled version a bike I now love and still have, I'm not a fan of the nose on the new RT's still great bikes though, as for the stigma yes you get it with the RT too a lot of riders don't salute back, strangely enough a lot of traffic cops do though , great videos mate really enjoy them

@TheMissendenFlyer

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks Martin...

I tend to not wave or nod to GS riders any more because I never get said nod or wave returned. It's them not us with the problem. You are an exception though TMF. You're alright you are lol

The RT might be ugly, but the GS is close behind. Of course the ultimate reason I had to have the RT is the length of my legs. With the low seat and thick soled boots, the RT is still a hair too higher than I like, so the GS is out of the question. With that said, I am a touring rider and like my comforts and weather protection, the RT does that best. For long cold rides it is important to keep your legs out of the wind, and I was surprised how well the RT does that, as it doesn't look like it will do that as well as it does. The fairing and windshield do a great job too, it is more like driving a convertible than a motorcycle. I like it ! If I wanted to ride the dirt, I would get a real dirt bike, I have no desire to pull a 600 lbs. bike out of the mud and no need to just look like I would. Actually, I have taken my RT on dirt roads and find I can stand on the pegs quite comfortably. Would I buy a GS if my legs were longer? Nope, the RT is what I want in a bike, and when I was crossing South Dakota , I enjoyed listening to Jazz on the satellite radio too.

Great read and great comments. Needed something that chewed up the miles the best and chose the K1600GT. It's an uber comfortable cruise Missile in BMW livery and a head turner at every light and not being an offroad guy, it made the choice very easy indeed! 😎👍

@TheMissendenFlyer

3 жыл бұрын

Nice!

I own a GSA but hired an RT for a 2 week 2 up trip though the European Alps last year. I agree with your conclusion however another interesting difference was the gearing ratio. I found the RT 1st and 2nd gear range (incl. quick shift down to first gear) really useful through the twisties.

Firstly I must declare that I own a GS Rallye and I love it and I prefer the looks and the colour scheme. With regard to that waving thing - I used to be a waver (or nodder) but now with the amount of traffic here in the South East I am usually to busy trying to stay safe to let a moments distraction creep into my riding. So to all the other riders I might pass down here in the SE I apologise. I'm not being off but I am just too busy hanging on and avoiding all the other road users.......🙌👍

There's no doubt that BMW have built a superb tourer, and if I could borrow one for 2 weeks every year to do a 2000+ mile euro-tour, that'd be great (can I, please BMW UK??). However, I think the bike-buying public make their purchases more with their hearts, or certainly how we feel about bikes plays a big part in what we buy. For me, while I respect the hell out of BMW for building this bike, I'm not sure I'd ever buy one because it's missing that element that makes me want to jump on and head for the twisties...even though I bet it'd be great! Liked the video by the way...Cheers!

2014 rt absolutely love it great touring machine, when I feel like getting of the tarmac I take the tiger 800xrt much lighter and nimble for my riding style and lots of fun on road too.

You seem to of answered my question perfectly on the review of the rt

Easy to see what Police forces and Ambulance services prefer. RT is an ideal bike for them, does everything. See the way they throw them around, even at low speeds. If I could afford one, I'd have one.

My mate has christened my RT 'Dark Helmet'. Check out the film Spaceballs and you will get it 😁. Great bike though - I've done over 30000 miles, two up touring, solo touring, commuting & everything else on the 1200LC version. I've had the GS as a long term loaner, but for me the RT is a better bike. Nice vid as always 👍🏻

I worked in Ducati Glasgow for nearly two years selling bikes and have pushed almost every bike you can think of and the GS was the most surprisingly light and easy to manouvre given its size!

Great review. A long time motorcycle rider dating back to 1982 when I first was licensed to ride on the streets in the USA. Currently working as a Police Officer in Southern California (San Diego County) since retiring from the military (USMC) in 2004. Presently assigned as a Police Motorcycle Officer since 2010 and have ridden several iterations of the BMW RTP with my current work bike being a 2018 BMW R1200RTP. In 2016 I transitioned from a 2013 Harley Davidson Road Glide CVO to a 2016 BMW R1200RT after being issued a 2015 R1200RTP at work. I really liked the water cooled RTP over my air cooled 2012 RTP work bike. So much that I transitioned from my HD CVO Road Glide to the 16 RT. In 2018 the itch was there to try a GS or GSA and after numerous test rides I went with the low suspension GSA Rallye and I sold my 2016 RT. So after 3 years of GSA ownerships I am considering going back to the new 2021 R1250RT. I spend more seat time on the RTP because it is my job so you can say I am biased towards the RT / RTP over the GSA. Both are great bikes and I believe you can not go wrong with either one. One of the main reasons I bought the GSA was to do some off-road riding, nothing overly aggressive, no single track but gravel roads to do some exploring. I already owned a 2015 KTM 690 Enduro R when I purchased the 18 GSA. Having already ridden the KTM off-road it was like riding a mountain bike with a engine strapped to it. Light weight compared to the GSA and easier for me to handle over the GSA when I wanted to have some fun sliding the rear wheel around the dirt road corners. The GSA quickly became a street bike only for me. I like the larger screen of the RT for weather protection over the GSA. The RT comes with side panniers. I purchased the side BMW panniers and top case for my GSA at over 2K.

@TheMissendenFlyer

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for stopping by Gene...

I think the RT is much nicer looking than the exoskeleton look of the GS. In my opinion it's very beautiful and handsome.

@alisleiman8426

5 жыл бұрын

love it too

@sivvinod3187

3 жыл бұрын

The gs looks more dystopian than the RT, and I use the dystopian or utopian design to judge which design I like more. I like the utopian RT.

@sivvinod3187

3 жыл бұрын

@@galavanter every person has their own preference. Ultimately, choice is a great thing.

@steveabrahams8353

3 жыл бұрын

If you’re tall, I’m 6’2”, no contest! GSA every day. I have a 2018 GSA1200, my 3rd GS. It’s been to 20 countries and done 32000 miles. Last week I ordered my 4th, a Triple Black GSA 1250 - with a heated seat 😊

@peterfox5897

3 жыл бұрын

They both look great but I like being up high and upright position along with the long travel suspension that adventure bikes have, just soaks up anything and everything on the road.

I have watched most of you videos and I would say that based on how and where you ride the RT would seem to be the logical choice for you. The GS just seems to be the easy choice for too many riders. Many of them seem to be more in love with the bike lifestyle they infer, just like an HD does, than the riding itself. I used to teach photography and I see many similarities. It was often look at the camera I have rather than look at the photos I have taken.

@firebladedan1

5 жыл бұрын

Sorry Andrew but I have to disagree with you, you go anywhere in Europe during riding season and what do you see most of? BMW GS/GSA They are probably the most expensive option too, so why would people pay all that money, that's not exactly the easy thing to do is it? They are popular for a reason, I have owned 6 fireblades in the past 20 years and never ever thought I would ride a BMW adventure bike, been on one now for 5 years and I can honestly say it is the best 5 years of my biking life, it's taken me all over Europe, with more luggage than I ever needed, in absolute comfort, 300 plus miles on a tank of fuel, cruise control, etc. etc. Have you ever spent any time or done any distance on a GS? Try it then maybe like me you might just get it! I'm quite careful with my money but have just ordered a new GSA 1250, tried all the cheaper options 1st, but in my opinion nothing compares

@maxflight777

5 жыл бұрын

Andrew, that's a well thought out post. i agree.

@DrummerboyUK1

5 жыл бұрын

@@firebladedan1 Yep you're right. Most are bought cos their mate has one. And their mate. And theirs. Baaaaaaaa! A lot is the Long Way Round effect and the fact that half the motorcycle media are owned by a German company so they daren't criticise it. Sure, they're great bikes, but most owners ignore their faults cos as you say, when you've paid that much money for a bike, it's had to admit to yourself it has any faults! SO they pretend it hasn't.

@captain348

5 жыл бұрын

@DannyB: horses for courses of course and having owned and extensively toured on both a GSA LC and my current RT LC over the past 5 years (and with 3 vfrs - my previous favourite bike type- on SORN that will likely never be used again, I would partially disagree and say the RT is the better bike for serious touring. Its marginally stiffer and tracks better on good spanish, french and Swiss N roads and is more protective. The GSA is smoother and more comfortable on bad roads, is more comfortable if you are 6’5 or taller and gives a pseudo-confidence that on it you can go anywhere (of course 99% of all owners abilities incl mine are nowhere near to take that heavy monster anywhere but the smoothest gravel at 10mph- which the RT can do equally on those terms). And it has 50miles more range than the rt which again is irrelevant as very few people tour alone and fuel stops are defined by the least range in the group, so you stop anyway. And noone goes touring In Transiberian terms.

I am on my 2nd RT now and i think the handling is the best of any bike ive ever ridden. My lass who really does not like going on the bike but does just to be with me some times says it feels safe and secure and that makes her feel comfortable while being nervous at the same time. It suits my riding style and makes me smile being on it, Music on riding along totally relaxed. Your right though it was 21k with the inner bags and comfort screen so bloody pricey for a bike and its only now im mortgage free i can have a new one. Off round Europe for two weeks in June so real touring comfort will be tested then. My 1st RT was the 2010 Twin cam and that was a really good bike but the LC version is a step up so i bet the new 1250 will be better again.

Love all your videos, keep up the great work!! 🍻

I recalled being called “sir” at a local burger joint when I happened upon the establishment on my newly acquired GS, that confirmed the old geezers bike reputation in the US.

Curious why no one ever mentions the different rear drive gear ratios between the RT and GS. When I had my 2010 RT, commuting speeds of around 80 mph, it spun around 800 - 1000 rpm lower and felt much smoother than the GS. I would typically get around 50 mpg or better and my friend on a GS would only get low 40's mpg at 80 mph. I guess with the new water cooled and now shift cam engines maybe much smoother at higher rpm's. Just looked at the parts fiche and still is different PN's for the rear drive between the 2 with different ratios listed...not sure is the same 800 to 1000 rpm or so difference at same speed / top gear...

@markJones-yz6ke

5 жыл бұрын

Coz no one cares!

Just have both. And have an enclosed trailer and a mobil home come with it. And always have the wintertime off. Head to spanish sierra nevada from end of oktober until may. Drive as much as you like, money wouldnt be a problem, life is cheap.

Great review. I am getting ready to buy the GSA. Only because I also have a Harley Ultra for touring also and two up riding. If I didn't have the Harley I would go with RT. I love them both. Thanks again. Nashville Tennessee USA!

@TheMissendenFlyer

3 жыл бұрын

Good choice David - I reckon you'll love it!

There's just many damn GS's on the road. Going around Scotland, over half the bikes I saw were GS and most of the owners did not wave or nod back.

I moved from the RT to an XR last year. Mainly because I was commuting into central Bristol and I got so annoyed by how much harder it was to filter on the RT - although you wouldn’t believe the stick I got from the RT owners club I got for saying that!! The only reason I didn’t get a GS is because I wanted to try some different bikes before the eventual migration to what is probably the most practical all rounder bike available (I.e. the GS). I know the GS is probably the best, but everybody seems to have one and my Mrs won’t let me have more than one bike at a time!! I want to try a Thunderbird first.

@TheMissendenFlyer

5 жыл бұрын

You’ll love the Thunderbird - obv not as practical as a GS but a lovely bit of kit nonetheless....thanks for watching!

@krytenLister

5 жыл бұрын

I've currently got both an XR and an RT and the RT has been my go to bike. There is nothing the XR can do that the RT can't (in the real world), which has led me to the decision now of getting rid of my XR as for me the RT is the better bike.

Thanks for doing this review. This is the exact decision I've been agonizing over for the last month. I finally made the decision to go with the GSA upon a visit to the dealer this week. I'm 5'8" with a 30" inseam and with the standard seat I'd look like a circus balancing act when stopped. The dealer put on the low seat with standard suspension and I'm actually flat-footed in my boots. I should take delivery next month. Thanks again. Love your videos.

@TheMissendenFlyer

5 жыл бұрын

You're welcome Ben - glad you like 'em!

I just want to point out that with the windscreen fully extended rain pours forwards over the visor which makes it easier to see. It's a pleasure to see towns, lanes, and traffic in the UK compared to my experience in the US. I own, love, and ride my 2004 RT (air/oil cooled) and have difficulty seeing myself on a different model. Thanks

I have been on the fence over these same 2 bikes. However recently have been leaning more and more towards the GSA. I will break the stigma of ownership as I wave at all makes and models and pretty much love to talk to people soooooo... Thanks for the great comparo on these 2 fabulous machines but that 1250 GSA Exclusive really has me thinking.

@markJones-yz6ke

5 жыл бұрын

Rt all the way!!!👍

Sod image ride what you like.

@TheMissendenFlyer

5 жыл бұрын

Agreed!

I think all your followers expected to hear exactly what you said, but we have all been wanting this video for the pleasure of hearing it from you. Enjoyed it! I have ridden both and am in the dilemma myself. Thinking of going for the GSA bc of the tank, not worrying if I drop it, and not feeling restricted to tarmac. I do think the RT engine is tuned better tho.

@TheMissendenFlyer

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah I think you may be right Daniel - this time around on the RT I was surprised how tucked up my legs were compared to the GS - the GS would defo be comfier on long days in the saddle I reckon.

Great job. Enjoyed your video. Liked and subscribed.

@TheMissendenFlyer

3 жыл бұрын

Welcome along!

I'd happily own either of these bikes, but bearing in mind the costs involved I might also be considering the R1250RS, which sits nicely between the out and out tourer (RT) and the more off road biased GS. After 40 years of riding and more than twenty different bikes, my experience is that logical choices play a relatively small part of choosing a bike. We ride bikes because we love doing it and the bikes we choose are the ones that stir the soul rather than tick all the boxes. I use my bike to ride to work and for a few long journeys and traded in my eminently suitable Africa Twin for a CB1100RS, hardly a rational choice! For that matter, everytime I visit my nearby Indian dealership and look at the Indian Chief Dark Horse in the show room, I want to own one more than any other bike, despite knowing it would be entirely unsuitable for my needs. But that's what motorbiking is all about passion not logic!

@TheMissendenFlyer

5 жыл бұрын

I completely agree - it's a heart game this not always head!

Think the RT wins it for me.

Interesting video, I enjoy these type of videos over just a plain review with no real rider preference at the end of it. Giving a personal view of a bike makes a better video. Noticed you can’t get the jacket cuff done up over the glove, not so good if it starts to rain. Thanks for the video.

Love your reviews, brilliant as always. Looking forward to some more non BMW bikes being reviewed 👍

@TheMissendenFlyer

5 жыл бұрын

Stay tuned!

Given the choice I think I'd go for the R1250RS, as I prefer the sporty looks. I'm not particularly bothered about having acres of wind protection but just enough to make a journey less tiring, afterall it's a motorbike and feeling the breeze is what it's all about.

@vriendelijkegroet

5 жыл бұрын

Great alternative! Especially if you can replace the clipons for a slightly more upright position.

@edpikestone6800

5 жыл бұрын

Would love to see a review of the new R1250RS and the comparison between RS, RT and GS. I am a GS owner but have always like the look of the RS, but having never ridden one I have no idea if I would like it as much as my GS. There never seems to be any demo bikes to try where I live. TMF over to you - 1250 RS review please!

@Bunter1815

5 жыл бұрын

Sadly the 1250RS is delayed until September launch I believe (1200RS owner here and very happy with it)

@edpikestone6800

5 жыл бұрын

Bunter1815 pity, as I was really looking forward the the new bike. That said I loved the looks of the 1200 RS. Marmit I know with the squint eye thing, but by far the best looking bike out of the RT, GS and RS

@Sanemancured

5 жыл бұрын

Clipons?? You must be joking. They are quite high enough.@@vriendelijkegroet

In the States it's more BMW that has A BIT of a rep... the GS is just the most visible Beemer. Having said that... it's the HD guys who don't wave at anyone else (anyone who doesn't have an HD). As for the RT looks... IMO the bike looks "unbalanced" without a rider on it, the huge fairing makes the bike look like somewhat like a tadpole. Put a rider on one however (especially a bigger guy) and the bike starts to look quite good.

@CockerTop

5 жыл бұрын

🙋🏻‍♂️ HD rider who obnoxiously waves at EVERYONE. Scooter riders wearing proper PPE included... Much to the chagrin of the Beemer guys in their KLIM suits.

I'm with you it's a gs for I'm saving up for one I hope to get about Easter time unless u win the lottery thanks for you fab review on the rt thanks Tony

Timely indeed Mr TMF, I was at Bahnstormer the weekend considering a change from my 15 plate RT to a new GS, I only use the RT for touring with my wife but fancy a change of dials, however It will be tough to beat the RT as it has everything you could possibly need for two up Euro touring, I previously owned an 1150 GSA but that under powered and felt rather industrial compared to the RT. I will book a test ride once it warms up and see how good the 1250 GS is. As far as stigma is concerned I haven’t really noticed it on the RT, however I do also ride a KTM 1290R and that gets plenty of positive comments when stopped, having said that no one ever comments on the RT so I guess that says it all.

If you don't use a GS off road then the RT is a far better choice for touring, including it has a much lower seat hight. Personally I'd want the K 1600 GT.

Perhaps if someone wants to be really mean on RT will give a point to GS for having the TFT

Jesus TMF :), how did you know I was thinking of getting one of these. I am moving outside the city and will have a 1-hour commute.

Have an XR which is a great bike, but here in Norn Iron as they say (Northern Ireland) I need better weather protection. So it will be an RT or GS for better weather protection, but as I had an RT before it's hard to beat the heated seat. Still undecided, but both great bikes. Thanks for the vid and fair play for getting out in all weather conditions.

Both Beemers are great kit if used for what they are made and marketed for. The GS gives you an off road option so it has to get the vote over the RT. Then you are in Multistrada and KTM territory. 1st world probelms hey gents. Can I just say on the off road question. Granted you will get people who will sneer at you for not taking the GS off road. Whatever the reason you enjoy the bike that's all that matters. And that's your business. If you owned a Ferrari Testarossa and drove it across the Sahara instead of up n down the Cote D'Azur thats okay too. The bulk of sportsbike owners are not gonna enter the TT or NW500 but its ok for them to enjoy just popping the shops on. Why should adventure bike owners get flak for doing the same. Lets all nod to each other based on the brotherhood of motorcycling not brand.

If one has a pillion, maybe the RT would a more “ democratic” option....

Hi TMF, watching your videos for last couple of years and I think generally have similar tastes in bikes as yourself, with the exception of these large BMWs where I would prefer a smaller engine maybe more budget bike like Suzuki’s Vstrom 650, but certainly don’t have an issue with GS riders and nod to all, even Harley’s lol.

There are some major differences between these two bikes which can be significant for some. If you are tall, I'm 6' 4", you will find the rider triangle cramped on the RT compared to the GS, where due to the extra ground clearance the pegs are lower, relative to the seat and where there is also plenty of room to use lowered pegs without any danger of scraping them or hitting your feet on the ground. The second big thing for me is the suspension, I have an R1200gs Rallye with the sports suspension, 20mm taller and stiffer sprung, I believe that's the adventure suspension essentially. With the ever deteriorating road surfaces I seem to encounter, 10" of suspension travel with the self adjusting preload and damping of the ESA makes such a difference to the ride comfort, much easier on the spine and rear end with no hard jolts. I have a road orientated older BMW and the bike is fantastic and my newer GS in many ways is only marginally improved, but for my size and use the GS riding position and suspension are huge winners. Where I live the weather is also hot and dry in the summer and so less, is more, in terms of weather protection, so the GS screen and less bodywork is in part why I didn't get a GSA and would also go against an RT for me, I need all the airflow I can get, but like enough of a screen to just keep the air pressure off my head and torso for relaxed high speed cruising.

Or...or...just maybe..."the RS"!? Have I missed it or will you be doing a R 1250 RS review? I can't helping thinking that that would be a serious contender. (I did search for "rs" but it throws up 1001 "wrong" hits...)

@disekjoumoer

5 жыл бұрын

Of the whole R range, the R and the RS are the two that I find somewhat good looking. The GSA and the RT just seem like an utter waste here in Europe.

@KirkBell92

5 жыл бұрын

1000% agree with this. My RS is amazing

@Jack-th9zg

5 жыл бұрын

Agreed. Should have read your comment before replying.

@Bunter1815

5 жыл бұрын

RS1250 not coming until September

@dratilhelvetedotlol

5 жыл бұрын

Was just thinking about that one, the new R1250RS looks gorgeous!

It's an easy choice............buy both!

@TheMissendenFlyer

5 жыл бұрын

I like the way you think Jon! Although Mrs Flyer....not so much....

@JLOSTAFF1

5 жыл бұрын

@@TheMissendenFlyer Is it a case of you've got your wife just where she wants you!!!!! ;-)

@ydarbg

5 жыл бұрын

I can see it now... for sale 1250gsa:- apparently do whatever the feck you want doesn't exactly mean that you can do what you like!!!

I dont have so much money so I orderd the Suzuki 1000 XT and I like those gold rims like on GS. I like the style of adventure bikes. Father in law was responsible when he bought a new old 1200 GS few months ago for me to come back on a bike after 5 years. Grettings from Slovenia.

So really it boils down to the surface & angle of your front drive - those first & last 10yds are an important dealbreaker : )

Aren't they basically the same bike with different fairings and ride height?

@TheMissendenFlyer

5 жыл бұрын

Pretty much....

@TheJmebe

5 жыл бұрын

@@TheMissendenFlyer In which case, GS all the way! Although not my cup of tea to ride, I do think that the GS looks genuinely good, whilst the RT has one of those faces only a mother could love!

@LTVoyager

5 жыл бұрын

Jme Be I agree. My LT is the last truly good looking touring bike that BMW made. The S1000RR is pretty nice looking, but not really a touring bike.

I’m waiting for a review on a ‘white van’.

@tojj29

5 жыл бұрын

Here's one.......Ignorent Nobs !! :-)

@Chris-vq5vr

5 жыл бұрын

tojjer29 😂👍🇦🇺

@garya3056

5 жыл бұрын

tojjer29 or even ignorant nobs!

@tojj29

5 жыл бұрын

@@garya3056 Never could speell 😱

@Chris-vq5vr

5 жыл бұрын

tojjer29 you knobs!

True on the greeting part. I've owned a K1600gt when I was 26 (a bit young but inline 6 rules). And it was very noticeable that other riders tend to greet BMW riders far less. Especially when I rode my Honda africa twin now. Fellow riders tend to greet more often.

Spot on and I 100% agree. The GSA also has LED headlights and the legroom is much improved over the RT for taller riders. I now own both a GSA and a GS Rallye and love each one individually, but make no mistake, as much as they are similar they are also vastly different. The GSA’s bit of extra weight and weather protection makes it more comfortable on long journeys, especially when faced with crosswinds and/or rain. The GS is more enjoyable in the twisties, but for lane splitting the slightly narrower handlebars offers almost no benefit other than what you may perceive. I am incredibly glad I don’t have to choose between them.

what about an RS then?

@stevecade857

5 жыл бұрын

As a previous owner of K1200s, K1600gt & R1200r classic and presently a RS I'd say the RS cuts the middle ground of them all and is my favourite. As an everyday bike it's fantastic. It may not be as fast as the K12 but it's still plenty fast (hoping the 1250 brings out the beast more). It may not be as long distance a mile muncher as the K16 but will happily do a day's touring with almost as much luggage space. If you fancy a bit of corner carving the RS is well up for it, giving great confidence, and feels like the sport tourer it truly is. If you only have the space for one bike in your life the RS ought to be on your short list if you need an all rounder which will tour, commute and do some sport stuff.

I'm no GS fanboy but don't mind the look of the HP GS... but the RT, no thank you sir!

@TheMissendenFlyer

5 жыл бұрын

..."don't mind the look"..."I'm no fan boy"....yeah right, admit it, you're hooked!!

@motogroover2789

5 жыл бұрын

Sir Chop, have you ridden the RT at all ? I totally understand where you're coming from, as I was like that only months ago. The RT has handling like its a 600cc. I cant handle the cocoon feeling on this type of bike, as I believe riding should be "wind in your hair". Maybe in another 20 years aye? Luv ya vids! Cheers groover ;-)

Great discussion for BM lovers, I’ve always wondered why you’d buy an Adventure bike for touring, especially if you were riding with a pillion. Be interesting to see the comments on this one. I don’t tour as the kids wouldn’t fit on either, and I prefer my off-roading to be a bit more rugged than the GS would handle but an interesting dilemma nevertheless! Have a good one!

Hi m8 great vids as always ,I have had all 3 BMW 's the GS /RT /k1600 and out of the 3 I would rate them as the RT 1st /GS 2nd /K16 rd ..purely on the type of riding I do . I do most of my riding 2 up with the misses and do a or did a lot of touring. The GS was good as an every day bike and the odd bit of touring but let down by the lack of weather protection and the luggage while good we thought the RT better . The RT was brilliant and while not the best looking bike did every thing it was asked to do and the fairing was great and the luggage was easy to take off when getting to your hotel and then and then we went to the K16gt ..the thinking behind that was great big engine more power for when fully loaded great big faring for touring must be a better bike than the RT ..it was not the case yes the engine had an addictive engine sound but we felt no better than the RT engine , in day to day use the bike felt really big to use as an every day bike and a pain in the arse at times and the fairing was totally crap compared to the RT .. my misses from a passenger point of view for comfort rated them RT 1st / K16GT 2nd / GS 3rd As you said it depends on the type of riding you do but both bikes are grate bikes to own

Assuming you're not interested in venturing off the tarmac both bikes are as near as dammit identical in terms of their ability to tour. The differentiator is image. The GS is "dad jeans" and the RT is "dad jeans" but with an elasticated waist. Also if you want a conventional tourer the Kwak Z1000SX Tourer makes the RT look so overpriced!

@markJones-yz6ke

5 жыл бұрын

I own a z1000sx!on a 17plate!(miss my 13plate rt so much!😢)but can't afford a newer rt!so your right!the sx makes more sense!! Rt better bike tho!

I wouldn’t buy either, I’m only 61, maybe when I get older 😂😂😂

@motoprof3672

5 жыл бұрын

Age has nothing to do with it. I am 34 and love my GS.

@OldManTony

5 жыл бұрын

Motoprof it was a joke!

@Chris-vq5vr

5 жыл бұрын

OldManTony ha ha ha ...

@mickfinn2596

5 жыл бұрын

Ha ha very funny. I guess that means you've never owned or ridden one of these bikes

@OldManTony

5 жыл бұрын

Mick Finn I just can’t bring myself to try one, mind you I’ve never tried a cardigan, smoked a pipe, or worn a flat cap either hahahahah!

Lovely looking bike ,good review 👍

Morning tmf . Good video sound nice and loud picture perfect. Rt and gs both perfect but gs I would go for.thanks danny

@TheMissendenFlyer

5 жыл бұрын

Morning Danny!

Trouble is that Honda /Yamaha etc dealers are very reluctant to give anything like a reasonable price for a BMW on a trade in so if you buy one you are pretty well tied to the brand. Just too much cost/loss involved for me as a really good bike can be had for half the money, or even two!

The RT is so bulbous it makes a Suzuki Hayabusa look svelte.

As usual, thank you for posting. Great video. If you don't mind, I would like to add two points to your video. First, is the climate where the rider lives. From the UK, having the RT would be a benefit (as you mentioned) due to the cooler climate, but also one must consider riding in hot weather. I have ridden my GS in temperatures as low as 15F (-9C) and at above 100F (38C) in relative comfort. The RT might protect too well at the higher temperatures (I could be wrong). Second is the possibility of passengers. I think it would be fair to say (at least where I live), that you are most likely see passengers in an RT than in a GS. I enjoyed this video very much. Thanks for listening.

@TheMissendenFlyer

5 жыл бұрын

Yes both great points! Thanks for watching and for stopping by - TMF

I have owned two different RTs and am now looking for a GS. The only downside I found to the RT were the side cases were easy to scratch and expensive to repair. I take excellent care of my bikes, however scratches still happened in close parking or everyday riding.

...other brands are available...😙

I have never previously owned a motorcycle which gives me so much pleasure whether on a long trip or commuting in traffic. Its not the badge, not the GS logo, its the total ownership thing which is just so superior to any other bike I have owned. Easy to compare price, specs, warranty, looks etc, but the Feel-good factor of riding my GS places it in a league apart. Those that own a GS know. Those that don't, don't. interesting though, that RT owners are not so passionate and are potentially also Goldwing or HD owners. Why is this I wonder? Consider this you non-GS critisers, how come the GS is the world's best selling motorcycle? RT sales don't get anywhere near. If only I had been a motoraad salesman.

@babayaga1767

5 жыл бұрын

interesting point. i've had an RT for 9 years years. love it on long trips. but something was missing. the feel good factor. i'm in the market for new. cant' decide between a GS or new RT, this helps

After riding my GSA for 5 years with the last 2 years never going off road. I looked at the RT and K1600GT, as a replacement. Loved my GSA and a lovely riding bike. She did everything I ever needed her to do. After riding the RT and the GT, I went with the GT. Great weather protection, which was lacking on the GSA. Riding long distances and commuting to work daily, just loved the GT. She is a heavy girl, with wide hips. But, one of the most comfortable bikes I tested. With this all said. There are times I do miss the GSA with that massive fuel tank :) And the newer GSA is coming with more gadgets like the RT and GT/GTL. So, it just comes down to the rider and preferences. Important thing is you are riding and enjoy the riding.

Thanks again Flyer. Well done comparison.

@TheMissendenFlyer

5 жыл бұрын

Cheers Bradley!

Not much of a difference really, they both fit in the Starbucks car park equally well.... LOL

@TheCcponyboy

5 жыл бұрын

I'm not a Starbucks fan either..

@eoghanhennessy15

5 жыл бұрын

Which one is better for the starbucks drive-thru though ;-)

@aaaces01

5 жыл бұрын

The GSA will get there in the rain though...if it's light rain

The GS/Harley thing is the same as range rover or Apple. It's the go to model for people who have the money but not so much the passion of say someone on a 2k bike held together with luck and love. People that skim over the culture which all of us have involved ourselves in a culture that requires a fair sense of community. So it doesn't go well when someone actively sneers at you (sadly has happened to me) for simply extending a nod. Like all things it's the little minority that create a stereotype for all. Everyone on two wheels wouldn't turn down a GS they're the end goal for a lot of us. I'd have the GS over the RT I'd buy the RT if the misses wanted me to get a car 😁

@StuHNomadBiker

5 жыл бұрын

It's defo a minority ... and id say it's the traditional die hard beemer riders of old.... the demographics of BMW as a brand has changed massively over the last decade. I've been riding since I was 6 years old, had track bikes, a plethora of litre sportsbikes...lived the dream in my 20's ... I'm almost 39 now but I've had a GS since 2012 ! Just got fed up of chasing revs and going flat out everywhere .. always toured Europe so the GS was the natural progression ... after I'd flirted with a Tiger 1050 ... Now, there's no bike id rather be on 👍🏼

I have done a fair few miles on both the standard GS and the RT models from 2008 through to the twin cam (pre-water cooled models). Both bikes handle much better than you would believe looking at them and both are very well put together, however the GS is the clear winner for me. The GS is lighter and feels much more nimble and is the better handling bike of the two. I know exactly what you mean about the pressure on your back when the screen on the RT is raised which I don’t like, and the GS doesn’t have that problem. I’ve owned two GS’s and they truly are jacks of all trades, I have done everything from touring to track days with ease. For me personally I question the RT’s possible advantages: 1. bigger fairing - I don’t find the GS fairing an issue, and there’s less likely to be expensive broken plastic if it gets dropped or goes down the road. 2. electric screen - I don’t need an electric screen and find the GS one stays in the bolt upright position, and works fine without adjustment. 3 two equal large panniers - The standard GS has the advantage of vario panniers that keep the bike slimmer until you need the extra space. 4. a stereo - Nowadays you can listen to an IPod or listen to music stored on the satnav with a Bluetooth or wired headset. 5. Heated seat - I’ve never found it was something that bothered me, but I could get an aftermarket option if it did. 6. The larger 25L tank on the RT over the standard GS 20L tank is nice, but as I get older I like to have a brief stop every few hours anyway. At the end of the day you pay your money and you make your choice, both are great bikes.

Had a Gs , great bike but sold to build and reliability issues, maybe I was unlucky, now have a v strom 650 new £7500 with all the bits and luggage, I do the same things as I did on the gs, it’s lighter, cheaper and I think bulletproof and in the real world all the power you need and more in my opinion. Had choice b the GS and I nod to every biker Great video missenden again !!!