She was not trafficked against her will, she went there to support ISIS. The Canadians were just running an informant who informed them who had joined ISIS. There are no reasons to take her back, she should stay in Syria. To monitor here in the UK will cost millions and will go on for ever.

@teefx5681

Жыл бұрын

Isnt that the same when a girl was groomed and taken to France, she went on her free will.

@calibrazxr750

Жыл бұрын

@@teefx5681 But she did not, knowingly and willingly, join a terrorist organisation and involve herself in heinous crimes against humanity.

@teefx5681

Жыл бұрын

@@calibrazxr750 thats not the point here, the point is was she groomed, trafficked, manipulated is she was then she needs to return and answer question and not revoke her citizenship.

@calibrazxr750

Жыл бұрын

@@teefx5681 that is exactly the point. She willingly went to join ISIS, even though that by that time, there was overwhelming evidence of their atrocities. She committed treason and she is now paying the price for that. She is no different to any other criminal, you break the law and get caught, you suffer the consequences. The more serious the crime, the more serious the punishment. She wasn't trafficked out of the UK, she was caught on camera, multiple times, with her two friends. She went to the airport of her own free will, no one forced her to. She had two choices, pack a bag and join a terrorist organisation, or remain at home and finish school. She chose the path that she thought would bring her the greatest reward and, unfortunately for her, it turned out to be the wrong choice.

@teefx5681

Жыл бұрын

@@calibrazxr750 do you understand what grooming means, she was a teenager who was manipultaed.

Not in a million years !!!!!

No! Definitely not

NO! - this former Royal Naval admiral? needs to offer Begum his home to move into with him and his family - where do Times radio get these characters from ?

NO!

No. If you choose to reject your citizenship then it's on you. She was more than happy to see innocent people slaughtered when she thought they were winning.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

No.

No no no .. by not letting her in others will think twice !!!!

@sogley

Жыл бұрын

Dream again.

Do the British still have the death penalty for traitors? Sounds like she would qualify.

@DavidGetling

Жыл бұрын

I'll pay for the rope or the bullet.

@ZigSputnik

Жыл бұрын

Sadly the death penalty, including for treason, was completely abolished in 1998. So if we bring her back we can look forward to paying for her upkeep for however many years she is imprisoned. Money that could go to helping the poor.

No!

NO

No - No - No

NO! Faking it, shows that she does not care about our way of life, or life in general, she wasnt fazed by seeing people beheaded.

No

No way

She can't afford to live in the UK

NO WAY.

Absolutely NOT.

ABSOLUTELY NOT!!!

Absolutely not, we don't need any more threats and drains on society.

The fact that the Canadians might or might not have had an informant working alongside those who helped smuggle her into Syria changes nothing. No matter how you might wish to spin it.

@carljcmjk8609

Жыл бұрын

Never let a traitor back in your country or the I my other way is life in prison without parole

@proselytizingorthodoxpente8304

Жыл бұрын

@@carljcmjk8609 Thats the thing. We both know that if ever she did come back, she would never see the inside of a cell. And would likely end up successfully suing the government.

Let the media propaganda begin... she's coming back we might as well just accept it. The British people have no voice anymore.

All that went should be tried for treason.

No No No keep her out!

Why don’t you show James Owen the Ayatollah that you’re ‘better’?

No. Throughout history traitors invited enemies inside the city gates....with predictable results.

No. Never. And the British public will NEVER forgive or vote for any MP or party who facilitates this. Be warned.

Never!!

Let Lord West foot the bill to monitor her and I will rethink my opposition.

Trafficked..............an excuse because she wants OUT of the "Camp".......and its conditions!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.....she went of her "OWN" free-will....................if she came back here..who,s "footing" the bill etc??????????????????????? NO one in their right mind WILL give her the time of day

NOOOOO

Leave her over there.

West has never shown any indication of great intelligence. Will he personally go round an apologise to the next of kin of anyone killed in future due to her actions? Only if he is prepared to that should he be seeking her return…

@DavidGetling

Жыл бұрын

West makes you wonder whether it is still possible for mummy to buy you your commission.

nO simples.

@Pete9Tails

Жыл бұрын

You're simple

@ZigSputnik

Жыл бұрын

@@Pete9Tails Nope, I think you'll find that's you.

@Pete9Tails

Жыл бұрын

@@ZigSputnik come find me mate. Should be easy enough.

@ZigSputnik

Жыл бұрын

@@Pete9Tails No, I've got a blackbelt in Origami, you wouldn't stand a chance.

@Pete9Tails

Жыл бұрын

@@ZigSputnik pretty sure you'd fold

I was a navigator on submarines when westy was serving .. he hasn’t changed !

@DavidGetling

Жыл бұрын

So he was a complete and utter prat even then?

@chrisenmarch6050

Жыл бұрын

@@DavidGetling yes he was ! Wasn’t very popular as a lieutenant! Thought he knew it all .. but as you can see no change !

just let her in, as for national security it really dosent matter any more, tbhis country has gone

Bangla Desh needs her.

So, i don’t think the Government should have the ability to cancel citizenship, that’s a power too far. Yet also she did surrender her citizenship, so it seems to have been a choice she made. After that the core issue seems to be how we protect the British public for those that do have citizenship. I doubt we have the resources to constantly monitor individuals in the community, i’m sure the intelligence services do as much as they can, yet they don’t have the resources to monitor fully individuals. You see this when terrorist incidents have been committed by people who were known by the intelligence services, yet they simply can’t follow all threats 24/7, so more clarity as to what is in place already, does it work and, if not, what can be done about it?

Love the guy's tie. Kudos.

@sticky59

Жыл бұрын

Is that all your groovin' on Tom ?

I have been trying to compare Shamima Begum with Edward Snowden in terms of their present circumstances. Very different people, you might say, but to me it's a question of the contrasting attitudes adopted by their respective countries of birth. Snowden now lives freely in Moscow where the authorities have granted him permanent asylum. The US government has not revoked his citizenship and would greatly like him to return. He would then face immediate arrest and subsequent trial with the likely consequence of life imprisonment. Begum is held prisoner by the Kurdish regime in northern Syria, so far as I know. The Kurds don't like her because of her previous association with ISIL. The Syrians don't like her because, although Muslim, she is Sunni rather than Shia. The UK government don't like her because they fear she sets a bad example to other young Muslims domicile in the UK. This is despite her being a teenager of only 15 years when she made the journey to ISIL territory in 2015. In 2019 the British Home Secretary revoked Begum's British citizenship. This was considered a most controversial step which had the effect of preventing her from applying to a British court for restoration of her citizenship. Begum's family decided to proceed down the legal route, and in 2020 the Court of Appeal ruled that Begum could return to the UK to contest the government's decision to revoke her British citizenship. This ruling embarrassed the UK government into further legal action, and in 2021 the Supreme Court decided to support the Home Secretary's 2019 ruling to revoke Begum's British citizenship. This means that Begum can apply to the Court for justice over her British citizenship, but only if she can legally enter the country (which she can't). Do I hear the phrase "Catch 22" ? So what would happen to Begum if she were to enter the UK illegally? I presume she would be prosecuted for illegal entry. The UK government would like to deport her, but where to? Surely not to Bangladesh (from which her parents had come). In 2019 Bangladesh's Ministry of Foreign Affairs said "Shamima Begum is not a Bangladeshi citizen and there is "no question" of her being allowed into the country". If that means she would go to prison, then let it be so. So far as I know, the only English law she has broken was to depart from Heathrow in 2015 by using her sister's passport. But here is the point. It doesn't matter what Shamina believes or what she does not believe. It doesn't matter what she has allegedly done or what she has not done. She should be entitled to apply to a UK Court for UK justice. The same as any other UK citizen, the same as if she were a white, ethnic Anglo-Saxon English person. Imagine the Government's embarrassment if Shamima appeared in Court and all she received was a £20 fine! After all the years of exclusion, after all the political hate propaganda, after all the racist abuse on KZread.

She was a teenage girl being influenced by others. If she's willing to be honest and renounce Isis, I don't see the problem with letting her back.

🤣🤣🤣

I think Canada should smuggle Shemima Begin back into the UK and leave her outside No. 10 Downing Street. That would force Britain to sort out it all out. She couldn't be deported anywhere because she's stateless.

A great big YES to that question. She should never have been denied it in the first place.

@calibrazxr750

Жыл бұрын

She was not denied it, she had it removed due to her own actions and decisions. There are rules and laws and when you cross that line and break those rules and laws, you are going have to suffer the consequences of those decisions. She chose to go to Syria and join a terrorist organisation and now has to pay the price for that choice.

@sticky59

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely NOT.

@yazkat1011

Жыл бұрын

She will stay there. She made her bed now she should sleep in it. She isnt a British citizen. It's over. It's a reality check for everyone that thinks crimes like that are ok. She joined a terrorist organization and wasnt trafficked. Shes a liar and still believes in her bs ideology. Shes a danger to western society. The death of her kids are all on her. I feel bad for the children but there is nobody else to blame for their demise but their "mother".

@LordOfLight

Жыл бұрын

@@yazkat1011 She isn't a British citizen, not because a court of justice removed her citizenship but because a politician took it away from her, and for political reason. She was a sacrifice on the altar of Javid's political ambitions. Criminals are taken to court; that's what courts are for. Murderers, thieves, kidnappers, extortionists, all the worst lowlife, go through the courts. But you'd deny that same justice to a silly girl. What does that say about you? A danger to western society? Really? That girl? We must be very delicate indeed if that's true. And we both know it isn't. You don't feel in the least bit "bad" for her children, and that you pretend otherwise only serves to indicate the kind of human you really are. You're a squalid little man.

Playing devils advocate, it is a breach of human rights to leave someone stateless and deny citizenship of birth or last remaining, an we in the west pride ourselves on maintaining a certain standard of human rights. Also it wouldn't take a huge amount of resources to have MI5 keep an eye on her for a while.

@Pete9Tails

Жыл бұрын

Yes mate. Thanks for not being like the rest of these morons.

@jamesdouglaswhittaker4612

Жыл бұрын

And do they ‘keep an eye ‘on you ? So why should we allow in anyone we need to use valuable resources to ‘ keep an eye on ‘ when there is reason to keep her out

@emmajones7742

Жыл бұрын

She shouldn't be left stateless, she was born in Britain, not sure if other countries have done this, just wiping out their citizenship. Others have gone back to their prospective countries. Not saying what she did was right but we can't wipe our hands off of uk citizens.

@jamesdouglaswhittaker4612

Жыл бұрын

@@emmajones7742 Not all have gone back - not that we know all the reasons though - but technically she is not stateless , she has a claim to Bangladeshi citizenship . I agree that at 15 it is so easy to make bad decisions and even lie, cheat and steal to uphold them but the sticking point for me is that even last year - after she ‘got out’ - she still gave support to ISIS , she did not ( refused to) condemn the beheadings . That clinched it . There is no remorse. She stays out

@soviet9366

Жыл бұрын

@@jamesdouglaswhittaker4612 having a claim on a thing is not the same as having it. I would be concerned more broadly that anyone with an foreign parent, or in some cases grandparent could be arbitrarily stripped of citizenship at any time with no legal process. In my own case, I would have a claim on irish citizenship through my grandad despite being in my 40s and never having been to Ireland. Individual cases can make for bad precedents

I knew the UK would bend the knee eventually

The stripping of her nationality was illegal. So she will come back. This video was one of a series of releases to prepare people for that fact

@sogley

Жыл бұрын

"The stripping of her nationality was illegal" - I agree but this government doesn't care two hoots about illegality.

@sogley

Жыл бұрын

@Brother asked a very good question I think that is an illogical response to my suggestion. It doesn't follow.

@TheAArmstrong

Жыл бұрын

@@sogley ^^^ think I’ve found the enlightened progressive voter. Have a fetish for minorities so they can do no wrong yer??

Listen to you all. Swollen with self righteous indignation towards someone who's lost and alone. Someone who made an awful decision at fifteen years old! A child! If you can't find any mercy in your hearts for this young girl then you're much much worse than she ever was. She should be brought home (yes fkn home) to stand trial and go through the process of repairing herself and her life. If she'd been a fifteen year old blonde white girl from the home counties, I'm pretty sure you'd have a completely different opinion. Bunch of heartless wastemen.

@jamesdouglaswhittaker4612

Жыл бұрын

She may have made a bad decision years ago but even last year - when she is already a responsible adult she still voiced support for ISIS and do not condemn its savagery . She stays out

@compassroses

Жыл бұрын

Lost and alone? She's a traitorous, self-serving, unrepentant LIAR.

@ZigSputnik

Жыл бұрын

pete Ninetails: We'll send her to live with you. But not in the UK.

@DavidGetling

Жыл бұрын

No, YOU should be sent out to join her!

@zack7438

Жыл бұрын

How are we worse off? None of us at 15 had ever willingly left a free, safe, country to join a terrorist organisation.

If her parents are still here, then yes she should come back.

@PaulAnthonyDuttonUk

Жыл бұрын

Y can’t we just send her parents to the camp. Clearly they are part responsible for her views.

@ThePedroski007

Жыл бұрын

Her father lives in Bangladesh, I believe.

@DavidGetling

Жыл бұрын

They can join her, and so can YOU.

@SL-sd3sg

Жыл бұрын

@@DavidGetling why should I go anywhere? You sound like an arrogant pr***.

NO!

NO

No!

No.

No

No.

No!!

No