Do you think Alex's business idea has legs? Do you think there is a market that Nintendo could sell new NES consoles and NES games to? Let us know!

@jeffkleist9679

Жыл бұрын

No, because the cost of returning those ancient chips to fabrication is far more money then they’ll ever make

@unstoppableExodia

Жыл бұрын

WOW that’s a weapons grade bad take from Alex. It is amusing how unaware he seems to be exactly how niche the appeal for such a thing is. Pat makes a good point about that market being well served already. It would cost way more than its worth to try and remake old chips from the 80s. The NES classic was as much better way to offer a tangible way to play NES games on HDTVs. The process of marginally changing games is hugely overrated. Plus the NES classic mini is easy to hack which is important. It’s possible to have the entire NES library stored on the device and it costs a fraction of what it would cost to buy a console with the whole library of games released for it, including the rare ones

@matthewcampbell7286

Жыл бұрын

@@jeffkleist9679 Outside the PPU .. everything on the NES was more or less bog standard. CPU was a modified 6502 with pair down instruction set so you could get away off the shelf 6502. some variants added a APU on silicon. But that can be a discrete chip. The hard part would be the PPU .. but you could throw that onto a small FPGA .. or have it rebuilt as an ASIC pretty cheap now days to fab something like that .. honestly the spinup cost of the injection modeling would likely me the most costly thing.. everything else can be sources from off the shelf components .. assuming there wasn't a chip shortage in general. They would be zero market for something like this outside the first time novelty .. but it would like turn a one time profit

@DJStKittz

Жыл бұрын

Pat I feel you are 100% correct. As much as I would like to agree with Alex. Nobody plays pong,and really only a small amount of ppl are digging out an Atari. Nostalgia and demographics go hand and hand. As someone who worked in a video game store and now run a repair shop, you see the change. A kid in his 20's is nostalgic for a N64, Ps2 ...and only a kid really into gaming history is checking NES or other systems. I feel the classic systems was / is an adequate way for "the average" to relive or experience retro gaming. PLUS Im sure Nintendo is profiting way more off subscriptions to emulate games on the switch than new hardware. Alex, I would love to agree. But Pat is right. I mean how many ppl purchased those physical Atari carts? Its a very, very Niche Market.....Music has become timeless. While graphics have evolved, a guitar is a guitar. While there have been improvements in technology, the world is not walking around listening to only electronic music in a dystopian Blade Runner / Total Recal future. Again, electronic music (not commercial dance music), is a small niche market....

@Aragorn7884

Жыл бұрын

Pat's right IMO TBH

I think what Alex is saying is that Nintendo isn't taking advantage of hipsters to the full extent they could be.

@bullfrogjay4383

Жыл бұрын

Basically

@leeartlee915

Жыл бұрын

This. 100 times.

@JC-qu5lv

Жыл бұрын

Yes, but I don't think that's necessarily a market Nintendo cares all that much about either.

@opaljk4835

Жыл бұрын

I’m not sure you know what a hipster is

I know it’s unlikely to happen, but if Nintendo rereleased the NES and SNES with additional HDMI port and with games in the same size/material boxes/cartridges/manuals/inserts, I’d buy one of everything.

@allanfulton7569

Жыл бұрын

I would also

@unstoppableExodia

Жыл бұрын

Not me. NES classic mini satisfies that need for me

@toddhouchin3252

Жыл бұрын

I'd buy the system, probably, but i wouldn't spend money on anything i already have.

@maxxdahl6062

Жыл бұрын

I'd just buy one of those 3 system HDMI clone systems. Won't be overpriced (after scalpers), will run most of anything you want especially after mods, etc. And a lot of the components for either NES or SNES aren't being produced anymore, nintendo would have to start making clones of their own systems at that point. And they'd have to get the rights to produce more carts of third party stuff. This guys argument is quite idiotic.

@_spacemanSpiff_

Жыл бұрын

Yeah but the amount of companies making SOC HDMI consoles and also the increasing popularity with FPGA tech I'm sure Nintendo will just stick to their Minis as it's much cheaper and easier to mass produce a small little emulator box that they fine tuned to their standards over recreating actual NES hardware all over again as well as having a mass of spare parts for repairs and warranty fixes. It would be a nightmare. Thank God for Analogue. But agreed I wish Sega would just remake their old hardware.

Make a system that plays both NES and SNES games. Sell cartridges that have collections on them- Megaman Collection, Castlevania Collection, Metroid Collection, Mario Collection.

@josephbradshaw6985

Жыл бұрын

Yeah that's what I was thinking. You could even throw on a homebrew or hack if they are up to snuff. A Metroid collection could include Rogue Dawn, for example.

This is such a hilarious conversation. I love watching Pat's face. I would definitely buy this, but I am the target demographic.

@joshvgame

Жыл бұрын

Everyone watching this is the target market, haha

Definitely. The retro Nintendo community would buy them like hot cakes as a limited run collector edition NES And they should make a New Nintendo World Championship where you can win unique Grey and Gold NES Console

@gnagarysteventon

Жыл бұрын

Mic drop my friend 100% correct

I’d be all in on a rerelease

I think my biggest point of contention with Alex is that there's more of a practical market for stuff like Vinyl/record players from the music industry than there is retro consoles/games from the VG industry. There's certainly a niche audience for the latter, but even the mass numbers that want to play older games don't necessarily quibble about the form its taking, whether its stuff like emulators, services like Nintendo Switch Online, or even just retro compilations. In general fans that insist would be players experience titles on the original hardware/controllers I don't think exist in big enough numbers for any mega company to consider physically putting out old consoles and games as worth the money and resources long term. That's not to say that gaming preservation isn't important, and that its not critical to make sure the means of playing old games on modern hardware is as close to the original as possible; merely that it achieving that seems to be to be a a more profitable path for gaming companies than the physical recreation route.

Nintendo is not going to make a new NES that plays carts. It would be a tech support nightmare dealing with people complaining about getting nearly 40 year old NES carts to work on NES. They could have given the NES classic better hardware to reduce the inherent lag that it is pleaged with. Just add an online store to be able to buy the old game and new NES style games.

This was the most hilarious back forth I've ever seen! Lol you guys make great rebuttals against each other.

I was honestly surprised that Nintendo didn't set up an online store for the NES/SNES classic.

@bluedistortions

Жыл бұрын

Nintendo abides religiously by the idea of maintaining desirability by limiting supply. Not of their main consoles or games, but everything else. People flocking to shops trying to find Nintendo products makes Nintendo seem highly desirable. I think it's silly but I'm not a business executive.

The price of CIB games suggests that re-releases of these would sell well.

@KaoruMzk

Жыл бұрын

That market is full scams. The current prices are the result of scumbags treating the games as investments, manipulating the prices and creating an artificial bubble that’s begging to be bursted sooner than later.

@TheGamingHoser

Жыл бұрын

@@KaoruMzk I'd say you're right about the prices of CIB going crazy but I still think they could easily sell new versions of CIB games for $40 + and do well with enough consumers. People will probably also treat these "new releases" as "investments" and buy them up like crazy. Not saying its a "good thing" but I think it would work. Look at the number of retro-action figure lines that have been re-released as exact copies of the old school originals (turtles, he-man, transformers, wwf). Considering what quality NES games with manual and box sell for, anyone who makes a good reproduction of those seems to do well.

They should also revive the CRT. Maybe it will reset the TV market and we can all abandon HDMI, then everyone can buy all of the CR ...oh dang prices

This isn’t a horrible idea. Analogue makes good money on their consoles, and I’m sure Nintendo would be able to produce an HDMI NES that doesn’t cost $1000. There is a market for it.

Any product that comes to market has to answer one question first and foremost. "What problem am I solving for my customer?" Problem | Answer "I want to take all of my Nintendo games on the go, but I can't" | Switch "I love AAA games but I don't have a lot of money" | Xbox Game Pass "I want to play VR games, but it's too expensive and complicated" | PSVR "I like the newest and greatest games, but I don't want a PC" | Consoles "I want to just game on my phone, but I hate touch controls" | The Backbone and Razer gamepads I don't see a clearly defined problem with this NES re-release idea. "I want to play NES games easily" was mostly answered by the NES Mini or the Switch Online service. The Analogue NT takes care of any remaining problems like "I want to play a specific NES game that isn't available on NES Mini or NSO". I think it would be cool if Nintendo did this, don't get me wrong, but I just don't see an actual business reason for them to do this.

Dude, this is what the NES Classic was for. It introduced newbies to the retro library in a 21st century way using physical hardware. If anything they would just do another run of that. This will never happen. People interested enough in this will get the Anlogue NT

That Nintendo don't bother producing more NES and SNES classics kind-of says that there just isn't a big market for retro stuff. I'm certain anything else they make would sell far less than those...

I was thinking about it the other day. But I was going a step further - What if Sega started to produce Mega Drive again but not only. If they started to produce new 16-bit games on actual cartridges, people WOULD GO CRAZY :) It would be the same with Nintendo - either it is NES or SNES (with new games). I would buy them even without new games but imagine if they officially started releasing new 8-bit and 16-bit games. And they could go forever, in 2035 they could release Super Mario Bros 20 and people would still buy it :)

@serphence8566

Жыл бұрын

And the cheapest memory nowadays would probably be a flash with several megabytes...the amount of content on cartridges could go through the roof!

@Retroconsole

Жыл бұрын

@@serphence8566 Exactly. It doesn't have to go back to stone age. They could use the advantages of today's technology. They could fit many games on one cartridge, like if they release Mario Bros 4 it could come with 1 2 3 + more extra games. They could create alternative versions of games (like they had on these Chinese Famiclones), or they could just create much bigger games (like rpgs with huge maps and all kinds of different enemies, or characters have more animations, more moves, bigger levels, more different tiles and so on), include more story in games (more cut scenes, longer games). Huh, this would be awesome but I need to calm down :)

This discussion has been on my mind for a month and I'm turning into Richard Dreyfuss from Close Encounters about it. I initially thought it was mental and unworkable, but after getting a few vinyl records for Christmas I'm realising it's the best idea ever and needs to happen immediately. Atari 50 also makes me think this would really work.

The big reason why I think we'll never see this is that it's simply more efficient, with the technology we have now, to put a ton of games on either a modern system like a switch, or a "classic mini" style system. It's more cost effective and less resource intensive, takes up less space, etc.

@Raven34643

Жыл бұрын

Exactly. It's also not cost effective for the consumer if they have to buy each NES game individually. There is no way Nintendo could charge less than 20 dollars a game (likely) and the only people willing to pay that are already collectors.

This was a GREAT debate! Loved it!

This will never work. Yes, it is exactly like selling people on records. The average gamer just doesn't care. If they want to play the old games, they will look for it on modern consoles they already own for $5 or less. Just like most people are content with streaming music. The only people this would appeal to are already enthusiasts.

I see this idea and would take it further. Instead of just what you mentioned; I would have Nintendo make multiple mini NES classics with different games on each, but with a USB connector that connects to the Switch and next gen Nintendo Switch; and allow the games on these devices to permanently download onto the Switch (and next gen Switch); without even needing a DRM check afterwards. There would only be one DRM check between transfers and would then stay on either the Switch (2) or the mini classic console. The emulation would also have to be as good or better than what Digital Eclipse is doing and these new mini consoles would come with the NES (or SNES) classic controllers that Nintendo is already selling separately for the Switch and we would be able to keep these games instead of renting them. Also; you have the option of playing these games on the device itself through HDMI without the Switch or if you have one; you have the option of transferring these games to your Switch to literally play anytime anywhere.

I would buy this. Just to play my old games with an HDMI output and of course scan lines. And I would also purchase the releases of the new game carts.

It's far more viable than the Amico for sure!

@ccricers

Жыл бұрын

The Nintendo Paisano

@GeorgeNoiseless

Жыл бұрын

Considering how much actual damage Amico did to peoples lives, it's possible to simply not promise or release anything and have greater value than the Amico by default.

I thought this was going to be a discussion on the technical feasibility of it, which I can't find any info on. Nintendo didn't make every component of the NES, a lot of the parts aren't being made anymore and Nintendo would have to gear up entire assembly lines to fabricate these old parts for a one-off device, built using proprietary schematics from companies that probably no longer exist. Something like the FPGA is about as close as we can get because literally no one is making these old parts anymore, except for the select few chips still in use today. Unless you mean just making NES Classic again, just with original form factor and cartridges. I can't tell what is exactly being asked.

the thing is, electronics deteriorate and rust overtime, there's literally nothing you can do to stop it. You can not preserve a whole collection for your whole life without a lot of repairing or replacing, that's just how it is. It would be much more fun if all of its components, layouts and architecture are documented so people in the future could make their own versions (like a lot of people now build their own radios for fun) I'm glad there's a lot of famiclones still made in my country to this day, they are affordable and decently made, so even when my original Famicom inevitably brakes, my kids could still be introduced to my childhood memories in some way

I'm a fan of Pat, Ian, and Alex. I checked out chilluminati podcast recently because of pats plug on the CU podcast, and now I'm totally down have Alex here. I was already watching bearbros anyway. Could this be the start of a That One Completly Unnessacery Video Gamer extended podcastacular universe? My body is entirely hype right now.

I had a sister idea to this a few years ago, which was the "NES Platinum collection," of nice, chromed out NES carts (silver for grey carts, gold for zeldas) of real nintendo classics for $50 a pop. Alongside this, Nintendo would release a USB connected switch+future console peripheral that is essentially just an NES cart reader, which allows you to plug in and dump NES games onto the system itself to play on TV/on the go. Everything is cross gen compatible. so the new carts work on NES and the old carts work on the new reader.

What's easy to forget is that Nintendo and a lot of third parties did continue to make new 8-bit games even after the SNES came out and they were called Game Boy games. Pokemon Red and Blue were huge sellers in late 1996 when the N64 was already available. Even later than that, you could play throwbacks like Mega Man 9 on the Wii. Plenty of new indie games still use pixel-art, chiptunes, two-button gameplay and every other hallmark of that gaming, so asking what it would be like if people never stopped making new 8-bit games isn't really a hypothetical. Still, it would be cool for Nintendo to actually develop new NES games and give them physical releases.

Yes! The original NES + brand new games on carts + HDMI out + Ethernet out + online multiplayer + expansion port for compability with ALL 6502 cpu machines!!!! 100%! Was thinking this too for the last year, you guys read my mind 😀👍

everything old becomes new again! I would love to see this idea come to fruition!

The NES deserves its place in history-but also deserves to stay in history. Many of the games were bad on release and most have aged terribly. The library hasn’t changed in 35 years, it’s not like a new console would suddenly make these games interesting again. What WOULD be interesting is Nintendo supporting devs for game releases on their obsolete hardware. Providing an infrastructure for devs to make physical NES, SNES, GBA, etc would be special. Imagine a (software) platform where an indie dev could release a game on carts AND for a specially designated area in the e-shop. Buy the game on the e-shop and play it on the NES emulator on the switch.

It’s a cool idea but this is where the comparison to vinyl records falls apart: you can dust off a 1967 turntable and it will play Taylor Swift’s new album. You can buy a cheap Audio Technica player from Walmart today and it will play an original printing or Sgt. Pepper. A new NES only plays certain videogames from a select 6ish year time period. And you can’t buy Elden Ring on an NES cart to appreciate the warm tones.

@michaelglatt100

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, this is a really good point. The only way a new NES is valuable is if there are new games released exclusively, which doesn’t make sense to do. Otherwise it’s an idea for a cool product that a handful of suckers (probably myself included) would buy, use for a little bit, and then would sit collecting dust. The fact that these retro games are so widely available including on modern consoles it just doesn’t make sense.

Great job on the review keep up the good work!

Do it with FPGA and it lets you disable the sprite limit. And it has built in game genie. And save states.

I think hes onto something. When I buy vinyl, it’s because I want to hear old faves on vinyl. I already have the CD/cassette sitting around, but I want the experience of putting that vinyl on and seeing the sleeve and notes in that larger format. I’d definitely be buying NES game cartridges if they were sold at the store brand new with original packaging. The newer generation would probably have an interest in having what we had back in the 80s and early 90s. To have that easy accessibility to that older tech. I think NES cartridges would sell well in stores. Having to hunt to find NES games or a decent working NES console, is why its a niche thing. I have an NES CLASSIC but its not exactly the same experience of the original from back in the day.

I think they would release a mini 64 before they would make a new nes.people don't want to pay ridiculous prices for carts.

I knew a few people who were lucky enough to get their hands on a NES Classic. All of them said they played each game once for about 10-15 minutes, then never touched it again. I would love to see Alex’s idea come to fruition, ‘cause I’d be first in line, and I think it could sell well at first…but I don’t think it would create a new market. Anyone who has NES games without a system, or with a system that barely works, will jump on this. Not sure how many people that is though. The question is whether or not retro gaming-older, simpler (though still challenging) games-can take precedence over current day gaming. Games like Shovel Knight seem to indicate there’s a possibility of that happening, but on what scale? Maybe if some two player games could be two-player online, that might change the landscape a bit. If Nintendo would be willing to invest in some new “old” games (akin to Shovel Knight) that were exclusively for this new NES, it could work. As videos on this channel have pointed out, systems have died for want of good games. Some folks buy systems for the exclusives. If Nintendo sold this system with a brand new exclusive (no Switch version, no online option) Mario, Zelda, and/or Metroid game, and had at least five great exclusive titles following soon after, if their price point for the system was “reasonable” (ie $99 or less) and if it allowed for online co-op on applicable games…it might work. (Oh, and if they could develop a zapper that could work on LCD/LED TVs too) But that’s a lot of ifs. I love Alex’s idea, and I think it could possibly work. But if I had to choose whether or not to invest money in it…I’d say no. But Nintendo could do what Hasbro Labs does and take pre-orders, only putting the system into production if “X” amount of people put money down for it. That’ll show ‘em how big the market and interest are and take the risk out of it.

The ten carts black box style should have ten games on each with maybe one new game on each. Plus it plays the old games then it’s like a record player. It’s like a Nintendo classic but u can play the other games from a yard sale plus connect to a new tv. Not cheap like a retrobit and u can use old or new controllers. It’s actually a good idea

The fact that the NES classic sold out so quickly shows there is an market that was unsatisfied, and giving folks a reliable way to play old games on official hardware would certainly be successful.

@PatTheNESpunk

Жыл бұрын

The NES Classic was a modern, an all-in-one simple solution with 30 great games for only $60. That is entirely different from getting out an NES and cartridges.

@marccaselle8108

Жыл бұрын

I was going to get the NES and SNES classic, but I didn't get to it in time and the prices went up by scalpers. I was at a games ahoy! store in fort Collins Colorado, they had a SNES mini for 100 dollars and a ps one classic mini for 65 dollars. I saw a Atari Jaguar not in the box for 300 lol

@sherwoodccm

Жыл бұрын

@@PatTheNESpunk Sure, but let’s say Nintendo priced a brand new NES at $80….I’m sure it would sell well. The name alone drives sales….why did people line up to buy an NES classic when there are emulators galore.

@PatTheNESpunk

Жыл бұрын

@@sherwoodccm Because it's an official product and a lot had not played those games in 25 years. That is not the same market as people already into emulators.

@rosstedfordkendall

Жыл бұрын

@@sherwoodccm There's no way they can do a cartridge NES for $80.

Id agree about the Virtual Console and KZread making retro gaming popular. I was a kid who got a Wii in 2007 and also discovered James Rolfe's videos around the same time and like a year later when I was 13 I bought an NES and like 3 games. Im 26 now and I still have that NES plus a bunch of other retro consoles.

I would buy a 1 to 1 replica of the nes. Problem is the hardware would need to detect pal and ntsc games if used mk1 games are used on it

I think Alex is right but it all really comes down to how they release the new games. They could set it up to use old carts but Nintendo wouldn't take that risk since that means people can just by reproduction carts instead. Digital or compilation carts might work but then it hurts the appeal of the product as well since to much modernization could hurt the retro appeal for the average joe mama. The NES Classic might've honestly been the best solution to this tbh.

Alex has a grain of a good idea, I'm just not sure the demand would be anything more then a limited run charge high prices kind of thing. I do wish that somehow the old companies would re-release classic carts for games that are obscenely expensive to own now. I'd buy a SNES re-release of Earthbound on my SNES for $70 dollars in a heart beat.

I think there is a market for new games on classic consoles. Physical games on genesis like xenocrisis, for example, seem to really captivate those who love the 8 and 16 bit eras. We have begun to see some new stuff, or re-releases of rare games via limited run. Idk how licensing works, but it should be viable for Indy companies to make new nes and snes games. I would love to see sega and Nintendo allow new carts on their ‘dead’ consoles. A new Wii game, or gamecube, or sega saturn should all be possible

Pat I loved your argument of the vinyl record player vs nes because I noticed how you didn't fully consider it ... Just like video games...music advanced and with that advancement things got better in the eyes of the future ....hip hop rap...etc but it wasnt the same music from the past has alot in common with video games of the past ..it needs certain users to be interested in it and I agree with the dude the original nes non emulation with modern features could make some noise

@PatTheNESpunk

Жыл бұрын

You can play modern music on record players as long as it's vinyl. You cannot play new games on old consoles.

I'd buy it.

Like you pointed out, that's what the Nt mini Noir and RetroUSB AVS is for. - I would stear clear of Hyperkin and other similar crappy emulator boxes tho. Also the MiSTer and Analogue Pocket is great for playing your NES ROMs

I am with Alex on this one. I would be all for a re-released tech upgraded, visually intact Nintendo Entertainment System. They could upgrade it to send the signal out via HDMI to modernize the outputs. New and old third and first party NES controller compatibility. I agree that there are so many people out there unaware of the emulative consoles (like Retron) or would be hesitant to even buy one. This same group may buy virtual copies from eShops to share with their children or younger generations (or enjoy themselves), but miss the tactile experience of an actual console (loading games, etc.). To them, that time is gone and left years in the past with no perceivable option. They probably own cartridge games with no way (in their mind) to play them. I believe this group, longing for that tactile, more real experience on modern televisions and tech, would gladly fork over the dough for this new NES. Me included.

I would take Alex's idea and tweak it just a bit. Be able to play the old games, but encourage active development of new. Can you imagine Madden on NES? Everyone hated how copy and paste it is now, but a Tecmo Bowl like redo? Would do amazing numbers

Manufacturing those old games is so expensive it would never happen, and they wouldn't make a penny off games if they were being traded on the second hand market. It's an insane idea, but it was entertaining to hear. If they made a run of consoles with updated features like HDMI or RGB mods it would be pretty cool and they'd for sure sell out.

yes they should create old style NES console design but with internal power supply inside so we just need plug the cord for power and thats it and also HDMI to plug and play that console on modern TV they can also put some games on compact disc and we can play NES CD-ROM version its could be cool if they can made this like that and also using the expension port in the bottom like a memory card to save our games i hope they will re-create old console like back in the day full size no mini size its coould be great

You walk into your local target and there are boxed copies of Castlevania, The Legend of Zelda and Super Mario Bros .3. Connects to your TV and looks beautiful. Tell me you don't put it in your cart and your mom or dad says "hey, i remember that!"

There are a few dozen decent homebrews and hacks that could be released. Also, I think combo carts would be neat.

I could see there being a market for a full-sized NES Classic which could accept the original carts, but it would definitely need upgraded internals so it could have HDMI support at the very least. I think it would also need to have some features such as upscaling, built-in games, and support for Action Replay style save states, because otherwise they may as well just get a used NES and a video adapter.

I think Nintendo selling new NES/SNES would be pretty cool

Feel like you guys missed a couple of ticks: How about the NES knitting system? Release that with ROB. Include a dev kit with each system. License NES maker and open the tap for new games. Follow the switch a little. Include games on physical carts, but also allow rom purchases.

Ian... please come back. You are the voice of reason this punk needs for the podcast. We don’t need two punks stuck in 1988. It’s better when Pat is on his own.

I'm not sure I would buy a brand new NES but I would love to buy a brand new copy of Legend of Zelda for 50-60$ dollars I feel like this scenario is not likely to happen but if it did it would be reasonably popular. And of course, it would be an absolute dream if they were to also put out official cartridges for Mother and Fire Emblem.

@MrDream-zm1pw

Жыл бұрын

If it happened then people would scalp new copies of Zelda for $100.

The only reason I would want one is if they made it like those Analogue models that don’t have the lag so I could hypothetically play punch out again, or to play the ROM hack games like the updated Tecmo Super Bowl‘s that don’t work on the Hyperkin systems.

It's just a little too niche of a market, and it would be pricey (they would have to recreate the factory lines for both the consoles and cartridges, and that overhead isn't cheap.) I'd be surprised if it was less than $300. That's not an impulse buy, which is critical. The NES Classic was a common ARM processor and some ROMs. Relatively cheap. And Nintendo outsourced that to Foxconn or something. A company already making other devices using the same processors. They didn't have to recreate the original MOS 6502 chips. Plus, most people would be fine downloading games for the Switch they already own. That doesn't cost Nintendo anything beyond some server space.

I'd take it one step further. Nintendo should reach out to developers and have them make NES titles/ports of modern games. Destiny on NES, Call of Duty on NES, GTA on NES, Assassins Creed on NES etc etc etc. Id buy those.

@garygorrent9917

Жыл бұрын

This would make too many people happy, so they won't do it.

I'd like to see Nintendo jump on the arcade 1 up train and do those own recreated arcade cabs.

Why remake those old chips when you could stuff an FPGA in there and do everything the NES can and more?

ok i think the missing piece of the puzzle is putting in a nes mini on the system and or have it compatible with switch onlines nes section online multiplayer nes with hdmi, accessories and cart compatibility would be worth 150$ regardless of quality i dont think they'll have the press down motion on the system either versus just having a slot to just plug in games and the door

@devilish5682

Жыл бұрын

i think this idea has legs mostly bc nostalgia sells, nintendo is desperate to push switch online subs and this would undercut third parties and sell under 200 dollars, which they dont really have a product besides the game n watch's which will probably be what they'll do instead of this ie a metroid or kirby one

Takara Tomy and Hasbro have re-released the original G1 Transformers toys from the '80s in recent years complete with the original packaging design. I always thought it would be something if Nintendo did this too.

I think it could work... Kind of!!! My idea is to make it sort of... "Mario Maker the Console"? A "game development toy" of sorts. Kind of a "Net Yaroze by Nintendo". It probably wouldn't look like an NES (maybe like a miniaturized modernized NES?) because my idea is to have it be an FPGA gadget with official Nintendo supplied cores for the NES, Gameboy Color, SNES and MAYBE Gameboy Advance and N64. It would ship with a program that functions sort of like the old Game Maker Studio if you remember that, that helps teach kids (and adults alike :P) about the limitations of the console and lets them play around in a sandbox that will output something that hypothetically COULD be written to a real cartridge and played on the actual NES, SNES or GB/C. Now, obviously the little toy devkit isn't going to come out of the box with the capability to write to an actual big grey Nintendo cartridge, so my idea for that was to instead have specialized card shaped cartridges, kind of like a PC Engine Hucard? Prices could be kept relatively low for these because they don't need to hold fullsized modern games, low capacity flash storage is stupid cheap these days to the point that you can nab an 8GB flash drive for under $8 so I have no doubt in my mind Nintendo could pull this off with little keychainable cards that are like 512mb at the largest for a price that your average wannabe game dev could afford. For the kids with rich parents, or the grown weirdos like myself who would love to play their EarthBound demake for Gameboy Color on real hardware, I like the idea that you could either send to Nintendo to have a small batch of cartridges pressed, or that you could buy blank actual cartridges and a cartridge "burner" attachment. One or the other or possibly both??? IDK I'm just spitballing here because the idea popped into my head while I was watching and it sounded interesting to me, lol. Oh, and I also like the idea of there being a cheaper "set top box" version of the console, previously mentioned, that looks maybe like an NES but modernized and a bit curvier (think PSX -> PSOne) and also a handheld version for a little more that resembles a miniaturized original Gameboy with some added controls. If Nintendo could sell the base kit for ~$70 USD for the home version (set top box, gamedev software, maybe 3 blank "carts"?) I think they'd knock it out of the park. It's Lego Mindstorms but for all those weirdos at school like me, who wanted to make "Superstar Saga but you play as Toad and Yoshi". Well kiddo, here's your chance. :P Oh! Almost forgot, I think it would be cool to have the games be playable on Switch through a Mario Maker-esque "storefront". I feel like the games should probably be free to download especially since a lot of them would hypothetically be Nintendo's IPs and that could get messy, but.... Yeah lol.

We need a N64 mini. And if they do I’m buying two. A nes and snes mini addition being released would be just awesome too.

I'd be all in on this so long as there were new games I could buy. I'm afraid they would be scalped though

I agree with your guest. An affordable new NES console that easily hooks up to a modern TV would sell. Used boxed copies of old games are selling for more than new copies of new games here in Canada at least. The homebrew scene is still fairly strong, so just market those a little more. I think he's on to something. I agree 100% with his vinyl argument, were CDs, there are lossless files, but SOME people still prefer the sound of vinyl. And I agree that the big draw to it is the more engaging experience you get with putting on a record.

If Nintendo did this, it would be gobbled by collectors anyway and the joe schmo Alex is talking about would never jump in cause he can’t. Superior tech is available so a new retro console would be cool and I think a NES mini with Gameboy size carts and online functionality, maybe 512GB ram onboard to install or download games would satisfy most.

In all seriousness. Give it an online store with global leaderboards ,online co-op , and wireless controllers

Mass producing cartridges again would cost too much, they'd never do it. A more realistic choice would be to make a console that looks identical to the NES, with HDMI output, with EVERY game Nintendo can legally put on it preloaded on board with artwork, history, game description, preview video, screenshots etc. But then on top of that, add stat tracking, achievements, online multiplayer capability, streaming and finally, access to an "NES store" which features new 8-bit NES games specifically for this console, both first and third party. No micro transactions, no DLC, no internet connection required for it to work. I think that would appeal to young and old gamers alike.

Cool idea, but no way this would actually be profitable. NES/SNES classic was the perfect way to capture nostalgia for average gamers - it was convenient, simple, & cheap. Actual new Nintendo consoles wouldn't be any of these.

I had to watch this twice cause i really liked this episode 1 and two because im trying to understand what is going on. I would argue that youtube is more of a place where people would relate or remember the classics. Vertual console was a place where it was like "Oh i can play this" and there is something authentic about the vertual console. I would say the time for nes re-releases is already here. And then some.

I like this spicy debate . I see both points. Unfortunately how accessible will after market products be in a few years. I dunno. Hopefully itll always be accessible but nintendo re releasing an NES would be a nice boon

you guys are awesome. Pat, you got the best video game show going.

They could partner with Evercade and make a nintendo themed evercade compatible with the reg carts too

I like Alex's idea, but I think the focus should be more than just the cream of the crop games that we've had those rereleased a dozen times already. It could be making it feasible for second and third party devs to rerelease older games and even new ones! Maybe they could make a Super Mario Bros. 4! They could make new games for the ROB if they wanted! Exclusively online, subscription-based media is fleeting. The physical cart is going to last longer than when the Switch is no longer supported and they make an all new online marketplace for you to buy into on the next console that won't have every game you were playing before.

The only way it would be a good idea is if it was 150$ and came with a NES multicart containing 5 incredible games like Mario 3, Zelda, Megaman 1, Final Fantasy 1(maybe) and Castlevania. You need to include the games and two controllers. After that, Nintendo can start making new games for the NES that play on the original hardware and this rerelease NES. It would still be a niche product but releasing a new NES game that comes in the box with a manual from Nintendo would be great. 30$ a game or less of course. Or release various multicarts containing 5 games that can be played on new and old hardware.

I would love this but… I would love to buy these older video games that I have not been able to get a physical copy. new in box is awesome and I would love that but I would also want new releases. Perhaps a bit of an upgrade to the technology and some new releases by Nintendo or others?

if it was a disc based system i could see it working since its cheap and disc drives and discs are still being manufactured

I think there should just be a Nintendo store on PC where they sell all their old games. Basically Steam or Epic Games, but for Nintendo. They could also obviously sell stuff from 3rd party partners, etc...

Ok I think he's half right... I think something like the SNES classic (20 of the classic games for the system pre loaded) but plays cartridges too would be money.

you’re smoking crack if you think more than like 5 people are going to be spending $60 for a reproduction cart of a 30 year old game. 99.9% of the population is happy with the mini / emulation solution. The market is not there.

maybe if they made Mutlti- carts with several games on them, but it seems like it would coast money for Nintendo to make. As opposed to putting the game on the E-Shop where the coast of manufacturing isn't an issue.

Alex was cookin' today. He is 100% correct. I know the EXACT kind of person he is talking about selling this to, and they would 100% buy into it. Especially now that the prices on retro games have exploded, if Nintendo put out complete in box NES games back into stores, they'd fly off the shelves. Charge like $30-40 a game, and they are printing money. They might even help correct some of the retro game market pricing. Even if the console takes a little longer to sell, I am sure they can do so. A $100 standard NES would do gangbusters. A $200 NES is a tough sell, but would definitely move units to the hobbyists.

This idea actually makes a tiny bit of sense given that Nintendo does not want people to emulate any of it's old stuff.

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Every major console company doesnt want you to emulate them. Just Nintendo is louder about it.

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@@Krushak8888 thats a good point

It would be awesome but licensing will always be the issue. Some game manufacturers or creators from the past would not be on board. That is why they could never do a full rerelease.

Make new/ continued series games too.

Nintendo would only do this with a new lockout chip that in both in the "new" NES and their "new" carts with no backwards compatibility with the "old" carts and "old" NES since those have be "cracked". Essentially it is possible for Nintendo but the niche and cost and potential profit, and the outdating of the "old" NES and "old" carts and that backlash would be quite large too making it unlikely. :)

I would buy a $50 game. A board game can easily cost $50.

I feel like a new tube tv would be a better market for the retro enthusiast and would fit the criteria of why the record player made a comeback

This guy is living in fantasyland. And what planet does he think these ideas would catch

They need to make an updated zapper that works on a modern TV's

I understad where Alex was coming from. Viewing the NES as a turntable and games as records. I see a market for the turntable (NES) but not the records (games). I think people would buy an NES either with FPGA or exactly how it was with light modern touches like HDMI. If it was made by Nintendo. Because it wouldn't be emulation, it would be official and you wouldn't have to worry about fixing an old console. As for the games many games had large print runs like Super Mario Bros. So outside of rare hard to find games I see no reason to reprint them like records. With records they get scratched, damaged and broken over time. Unlike cartridges that are more reliable. Even though most new records sound the same as digital. People like them because of the analog feeling you get when you play a record. It connects you more to the music. Same with putting a cartridge into the NES you get that analog feeling. Even if the cartridge your putting into the NES is a flashcart.

Call it the Miyamoto edition. It’d sell like hotcakes.

Evercade does this well with the VS.

If it were up to me, every console and game would be in print forever, but how much money can they possibly make from such an idea?