Honestly I don't think they should ban it I think they should just take better precautions than Korea did to prevent things like this happening

@boogiepop924

Жыл бұрын

This ☝️

@PureWhiteWolf

Жыл бұрын

I mean, not only the government/ police, the people also should understand when so many people where there. Where is their responsibility? It was doomed from the start.

@chainsawkas7545

Жыл бұрын

Just deploy more police forces

@autumnlove96able

Жыл бұрын

@@PureWhiteWolf honestly!!! Like who goes, “hmmm this is super crowded, I’ll just join in this narrow space, surely nothing bad will happen!” Common sense can save lives, ppl…

@PureWhiteWolf

Жыл бұрын

@@autumnlove96able That is true, but as i see it. We live as sheeps, as long their is many people, more will come. We have rejected common sense a long time a go, it's very sad those who died and it's sad for their family and friends. But if they did have some common sense. Then those people would still be alive. What i fear the most, is that this will be forgotten and it will happen again.

It is not a holidays fault but an human error . A lot of things went horribly wrong all at once but you can't say that it couldn't have happend during any other big event or holiday . So no . I don't think Japan should ban Halloween. Instead , new rules and preventive measures should be put in place , so such tragedy never happens again .

@kaimcdragonfist4803

Жыл бұрын

This is how I feel. Surely there’s a reasonable middle ground between completely banning something and allowing it to get so out of hand it makes Philadelphia Eagles fans feel uncomfortable with the amount of chaos

@BTChanOSRS

Жыл бұрын

Rules put in place might have contributed to that happening. Apparently south korea have some rule that limits the number of people allowed in each bar in relation to area, which causes long queues and massification outside. While inside is not even crowded. The natural order when bars are full is entering seeing it sucks and leaving the fuck out. Well that was replaced by everyone waiting to enter locals that did not let anyone in with no progression lmao

@biteofdog

Жыл бұрын

This is the saddest thing to hear about, in such an unusual circumstance.

@juiceaddictbosnia

Жыл бұрын

still should be banned until mf grow brain cells

@requiemforameme1

Жыл бұрын

A big thing to keep in mind too is that a lot of these folks working front of house, security, event planning, etc have likely been out of work for some time. Or, they’re brand new at doing this. Not sure about Seoul and Tokyo, but a lot of friends where I live (NYC) just left as they were suddenly out of work. Unless you’re affiliated with a big label or promoter like Insomniac or Boiler Room or something, nightclubs and venues run on tight margins.

That's terrifying, you're never catching me in a crowd like that. Nothing is worth that claustrophobic feeling and all the potential dangers.

@denmaakujin9161

Жыл бұрын

I get that feeling during rush hour in Japan 😭

@victoriazero8869

Жыл бұрын

Japan had this literally on daily basis, that's called rush hour. The main difference is the people tried their best not to push each other, and also the crowd control group being actually competent. It is bad, but not something new or unexpected.

@IWantToStayAtYourHouse

Жыл бұрын

Crowds like this happen everyday in tokyo

@ANPC-pi9vu

Жыл бұрын

That is how we are in the West because our population density even in big cities doesn't tend to be as extreme as in some Asian countries. People there had to overcome that natural instinct to avoid densely packed crowds to survive aspects of city life, which leaves them more vulnerable in situations like this where there is no crowd control present and the streets and alleyways are so narrow. I think the solution would be to bar off the narrow areas during busy times like holidays or events, and only let a certain number of people in as though it were a carnival or something. That way they can prevent the crowds there from getting too dense. All attendees should be reminded to be patient and not push or move too close together. Tell everyone to keep an arm's length apart when on the move and not to block the walkways. Have some security scattered about to intervene if they see a dangerous crowd building up in one spot.

@victoriazero8869

Жыл бұрын

@KanashiiFX They LITERALLY had to be crushed every time they board a train in rush hour. The station attendant literally football tackled them into the cabin. The difference is of course, staying in order...

I'm in South Korea, and the fundamental problem was systemic inflexibility. The Korean National Police took no measures at crowd control, even after the handful of police on scene reported the gathering crowds and fervently requested backup, because the KNP had dedicated those resources to a protest elsewhere that was much smaller and the KNP didn't have codified procedures for setting up crowd control at a large, unexpected event without an organizer. That meant somebody in the hierarchy would have had to stick their own neck out and make a decision to shift resources away from the protest to the brewing Halloween gathering without something in the books to back them up, and no one was willing to take the personal risk until well after the deaths had already occurred. That's the problem Japan will want to tackle, I think, because they have similar workplace culture problems relating to the risks involved in making decisions in the absence of clear guidance from superiors.

@nibblitman

Жыл бұрын

So basically the solution is ban it because they won’t be changing that

@Melcor2304

Жыл бұрын

What was the protest about? Something political? Politicians sure are petty huh, allocating unnecessary resources to pretty much satisfy their desires huh?

@alexandraghita7239

Жыл бұрын

This seems to be a big and reoccurring problem for Korea, where higher ups not losing face is more important than people's lives. I hope this will change one day.

@nathanlee204

Жыл бұрын

I also hear there's just a simple lack of respect for the police in general in korea.

@Ash2theB

Жыл бұрын

I was literally across the street and I have to agree with you. Only saw Traffic Enforcement and EMTs as first responders. I thought for my first time in the country it they would have closed off the street for pedestrians.

The thing that gets me about the Korean Halloween tragedy is that there was only 1 single cop trying to guide the crowd.

I've never been to Japan for Halloween, but Itaewon is a place with small streets and steep hills, it was a neighborhood mostly occupied by foreigners and outsiders back in the day, so it was not meant to have crowds of thousands of people like it does during Halloween. I would argue the police should've known crowds would be even worse than years before (and it HAS been bad years before COVID. Halloween weekend in Itaewon gets crazy, with hundreds of people riding the trains in full costumes and whatnot) but I agree that it was just an unfortunate event.

Pretty sure that stuff happens every year.... Not only at Halloween. I think it was just unfortunate that they got caught up in the middle of the crowds. But I do agree that proper measures should've been taken to prevent this from happening.

@sneedmando186

Жыл бұрын

I had seen a video of one cop struggling to direct people on Reddit, just the one policeman. There should have been many more helping keep people spread out or moving.

@controlcon

Жыл бұрын

@@sneedmando186 iirc people were calling the police hours before the incident worsened but unfortunately they didn't take the calls seriously

@sneedmando186

Жыл бұрын

@@controlcon oh man that’s terrible. It makes me wonder if the police chief didn’t want to look bad or something

@Leo-nh9ui

Жыл бұрын

@@sneedmando186 Itaewon normally is always full it's a party/tourist area. and maybe they had something else to do. The people also hold responsibility for their actions. Because I saw people going left and right. Everyone thought about themselves. Which lead to the disaster.

@ratoh1710

Жыл бұрын

Crowd crushes and human stampedes do happen relatively often. In fact the very next day there was another incident where 135 people died in India. It can happen at any time when there are more people than a location can comfortably hold.

Banning Halloween because of this would be as stupid as the British banning Football because they had things like this happen in their stadiums. Take the time to figure out the what and the why things went wrong and FIX it.

@purpleplanet888

Жыл бұрын

he obviously made a clickbait title

@Goldenkitten1

Жыл бұрын

@@purpleplanet888 Yeah, people seem to be ignoring this part totally. No official source in Japan is asking, "Should we *BAN* Halloween?", just attempting to avoid issues after a tragedy surrounding it the day prior and several issues that have popped up in previous Halloween celebrations (which are hardly any different than any other countries various celebration holidays). All he could do was say "Some old people question if it should be allowed"...yeah, no shit Joey, there are old people in every country in the world who don't understand the youth of several generations after them just like their great grandparents didn't understand them. *tl'dr -* Ever since he started covering Japanese news with increasing frequency the titles have just ramped up to insane levels of clickbait and no fan wants to admit it.

@bmo3778

Жыл бұрын

​@@Goldenkitten1 I admit he has been posting some topics I personally do not like on this channel. But I still enjoy the other contents joey make, especially the podcast and his collabs with Chris.

@isamuddin1

Жыл бұрын

Spread awareness about guide to survive stampede

@novailablename

Жыл бұрын

@@Goldenkitten1 I don't see what's wrong with the title. It's just a question to prompt discussion, not a statement. I didn't go into this with a false impression that Japan has set it's sights on banning Halloween. I went into it expecting a discussion about the Halloween culture in Japan and whether there are proper safety measures to prevent accidents from happening since Japan has had its fair share of Halloween-related incidents.

There’s an article where some police call transcripts were revealed and multiple people called worried about other’s safety in an alleyway and the police kept saying that they’ll look into it and will send some police officers to where the reports were at and I personally think they just said it without doing anything since multiple people died that night in the alleyway and I think as long as the Japanese police officers listen to peoples reports it will be okay

Quick answer: No, but be aware of this and try to prevent it as a society.

I was at Shibuya Halloween this year and also in 2018. This year there were police officers stationed every few meters on stands above the crowd directing traffic and people with speakers, also directing the flow of walking right from the station. They were working their butts off and it felt so much safer and calmer compared to 2018. They definitely took notes and improved on controlling it in a safe way, so i dont think they have any need to ban it since they showed how well they could control it this year.

I've been to itewon on non-holiday day and still felt claustrophobic... Maybe i am personally too used to cities with less population density. But it is clearly the authorities fault for not doing the crowd management. I have witnessed crowd management in dubai during new year celebrations - they had police officers fishing out people with small children and guiding them to metro station and volunteers handing out water bottles. In general being in that crowd was horrible but the crowd was handled good

I watched a few livestreams of shibuya during Halloween and I did see police at certain points controlling the flow of people, they even sectioned off the famous crosswalk area so it seems like they're remaining vigilant, whether that's because of what happened in Seoul im not sure but regardless its good to see some action being taken

@cyrilmarasigan7108

Жыл бұрын

That's because shibuya officers actually gotten know this especially with hundreds of complaints about some weirdos harassing women in shibuya in halloween that they take action to it

@user-bf9dk4xb1j

Жыл бұрын

@@cyrilmarasigan7108that might be part of the reason, but in my 7 years of living in Japan, there’s always police controlling human traffic in any big events, including festivals, concerts, halloween, and even during the World cup celebration just last week and even a few days ago, even tho it was early in the morning...

I've watched a bunch of Korean channels talk about this when it first happened, and it was just a question of *when* not *if,* because unfortunately much of human nature is cure rather than prevention. 😞 There were already party goers that were in Itaewon the night before the tragedy, and they were partying hard into the morning of the tragedy, and the crowds were already intense. Authorities should've known and been more prepared for it but they simply failed to do so. The first street party in Itaewon in 3 years with no mask requirements was always going to be massive, and many have mentioned that it was basically inevitable. The street in question slopes rather steeply downwards, and there are 3 streets that also bottleneck into the one juncture which makes crowd control even more necessary. I don't believe Halloween should be banned - the event/celebration is not the issue - but strict safety measures need to be enforced beforehand. The national period of mourning in SK also goes until November 5th.

I live in korea and had friends in Itaewon, luckily none were hurt There were official transcripts released where people were calling police up to 4 hours before the incident and police not reacting properly or at all until the actual crush began. Officials have since apologized for this. It's horrible tragedy that may have been prevented but thats hindsight. Holidays like this aren't the issue Itaewon gets regularly busy like that and it's honestly surprising it didn't happen before.

this could have happened due to any sort of crowd, whether it be a holiday or a sports game. this easily could have been due to another holiday. (I assume there are others that bring people outside like Halloween does)

That's terrible. I hadn't heard anything about it. Thank you for covering it.

This reminds me a lot of what happened at a football stadium here in England, it’s just another tragedy that in hindsight could have been avoided. All they can do now is make more rules and regulations to make sure this doesn’t happen again. I feel really bad for the families of the victims though

Thanks for having a bunch of interesting topics

Thanks Joey for today's video 👍

This tragedy has really affected me personally, because something similar happened in my hometown outside a disco, and somebody from my secondary school actually died, so this did bring up some painful memories and I give love to all the families of the victims❤🕊

Hearing what happened in Seoul is so tragic and heartbreaking 😢

Amazing video Joey, fantastic job.

Love the video and keep up the great work joey

Everything the most popular comments said + they did say the police officers in Korea didn't react fast enough. And from what I've seen of halloween on Kaho's stream in Shibuya police was literally everywhere. Japan is doing just fine when it comes to safety.

i live in korea and i think the best thing any country can do is just learn from sk’s government’s mistakes. they had emergency calls coming in for hours asking for police intervention and it still happened. they should have closed off the main streets and in the past for festivals in itaewon they used small alleys like that for one way walk ways. i think halloween here is going to be a little different forever, but i hope a time comes when we can enjoy halloween here again someday. i would hate for other countries to go through that as well. (btw pronunciation is like ee-tae-one so you were close!)

This happened in Spain a few years ago, because a massive halloween party was way over capacity with bad emergency exit planning. After that, emergency planning and capacity laws became way more strict. It's sad but many times it takes tragedies like this to make the government do something about it.

I've been in some wild and crowded mosh pits in my day. About a decade ago at Warped Tour, I saw Enter Shikari, and I had an almost traumatic experience where I was nearly crushed and experienced true claustrophobia for the first time. Because I'm over 6 foot, people were squeezing me at my sides. It was so tight that I felt like I either had to climb UP, or duck DOWN underneath everyone elses torsos, where the pressure was. I even was picked up off the ground, and it felt like being in an ocean with massive waves that just toss you around, but also crushing your chest, etc... JUST THE THOUGHT of people going through this in a worse way, where people actually died... it's just unimaginably terrifying to me, and very few things really scare or terrify me.

There were MULTIPLE phone calls to the police earlier that day asking them to come and control the traffic down that alley out of fear of an accident. Unfortunately they ignored them. Last year during Halloween, the police would come and break up large groups of people like this for covid and literally just ride around with sirens and ask people to leave an area if it got too poplar (especially in places like Hongdae and Itaewon which are meant for nightlife). It’s a shame that they decided it wasn’t worth the effort this time due to relaxed covid laws. I think that’s why it’s so frustrating, because it was preventable.

I've been going every year since 2015 and this was the first year I didn't attend. The ban on alcohol isn't new, it was in place for the last 3 years at least. Anti-masking protests have been taking place outside Shibuya station every year since the pandemic, lol. Worst thing I saw was a van trying to drive through a dense crowd in 2018. Guys started kicking the van, which only made the driver panic. Ended up seeing people caught between the van and a street railing and some dude dropped his box with a snake in it (??). Don't think anyone was hurt but it could have been much worse. Thing have been much more tame recently.

Yo Joey, I live in Korea, I've been to the street where the tragedy happened. The Iteawon area is often over crowded, and it's a popular place for expats. I think the bigger issue is that there were calls to the police 4 hours before the tradgedy happened with concerns with over crowding. The local police have apologised and admitted fault. There are rumours the crowd surge started with a 'celebraty' siting which have been largly ignored too. Honestly it's a messy situation and having to check your friends aren't dead is a horrible position to be in, Halloween is most definetly cancelled this year >

The very worst case is that they could probably ban mass volume crowds, but I don't see that happening. What made Seoul's incident deadly is the fact that it happened on a tight downward-sloping alley that is unregulated by not just the authority, but the the people within that crowd as well. Honestly if this type of crowd were to emerge in a flat level area, things would be nowhere near as bad or even non-existent compared to what happened in Seoul. Hell, many Japanese people are familiar with this setting during rush hours when they cram into sardine-packed subways. People just need to be aware and responsible.

Thanks for covering this Joey. It was an extremely unfortunate and sad event that could have been prevented. I was there that night around the time the crush began. Luckily I was at the bottom of the slope and was able to work my way out of the crush and escape to another part of the area. The main criticism from many here was the absence of police for crowd control. I remember seeing only a few police at the scene and it has been said roughly 100 officers were sent to the area but only a few of those cops were given instructions for crowd control. I saw roughly 3~4 cops in the crowd when I was there and two of them were carrying a woman that had passed out. This year the Halloween crowd is estimated to be about 130k people. In 2019, the crowd was smaller I believe but there was significantly more police presence. In 2017 in Itaewon the crowd was actually bigger, with 200k being in Itaewon and there were no deaths as the police presence and the effectiveness of crowd control measures. There were calls from Itaewon this year starting at 6pm, a full 4 hours from the crush, and cops ignored the complaints of it being hard to move during that time. Police also called their superiors and told them the crowd was getting hard for them to control and still the superiors did not send backup. This event was an unfortunate set of circumstances but it was totally preventable and is completely on the superiors of the police who ignored warnings hours ahead and by officials not preparing properly like how it was years before. There is also the case the recently the president of South Korea moved the presidents working office to the same area in Yongsan, which is the same district Itaewon is in, also stressed the districts police force thin. The Yongsan police now has the responsibility to provide security for the president and police the area. There was also a protest against the current Korean president on the same day as the Halloween celebrations which was being covered by thousands of police officers. So again, this incident has many factors but the primary factor was a lack of preparation by the police and governmental officials.

According to people who were in the crushing and some reporters, this year in itaewon were little to none officers unlike the years before; there where no organizations taking care of the Halloween party, so it was responsibility of the local government of yeongsan; they didn't had officers available due to the actual president using the whole capacity of the yeongsan province police, because he didn't move to the blue house due to his chamán telling him the blue house had bad "Feng shui"; yeongsan police was complaining about not having staff available, taking blame for not being able to answer the 10+ calls they received from hours before the crushing; the people there were stupid for entering the alley when it was full, yet other years with the same amount of people nothing happened, giving them a fake sense of security; if there's someone to blame is the presidents and the local government for saying they didn't expected so much people even if it was the first Halloween party in years, it was obvious a lot of people were going, they should had make a plan. A lot of people saved themselves by leaving itaewon before or having crossed the intersection minutes before the crushing. The hashtags are Itaewon and 이태원 if you want to block them, the images are still graphic 😞 everything is so sad and that they could have avoid it makes it sadder

@Whydoisuddenlyneedahandlewtf

Жыл бұрын

I was there (luckily wasn’t in the crush) and can confirm VERY few police (not sure I even saw one) were there. I heard at work they were with the president and saw videos of the same event in 2017 which was full of police and had 2x the attendees.

@haganeelric98

Жыл бұрын

I am glad to see someone thinks as me in one aspect. As you said, "people there were stupid for entering the alley when it was full". I know they were expecting this night so much, but did no one stop to think at a certain point that the street was already crowded and left somewhere else? Is that the only street in the whole city to celebrate Halloween? And I go even further, MUST Halloween be celebrated at the risk (certainty I would say) of a disaster like that? I don't know, if you see it is too dangerous, just either go somewhere else or don't celebrate it. I simply don't get how things like that get to happen. If Korean people are so psychologically stressed that they are willing to take these risks, let me tell you one thing: they are really fucked up. Lastly, my condolences to all who were involved and to the 151 affected families.

@arlicelovely1689

Жыл бұрын

@@haganeelric98 with the social pressure they have to leave their lives at school, college and the work it's no surprise really, one girl on insta who told her story and why she left Korea told how, when having problems, her boss told her to just begin drinking like the rest of them, it's awful to read and it's common 😞 And, also, the work comes first thing, there's one girl that's been for years in Mexico(a) now and recently she had to take her sister (b) with her, since the vacation the sister (b) took to see her (a), (the girl (a) can't go back to Korea or her burn out turns on and ends up on the hospital since day one) (b) she was force by her work to work until the morning not going home and to stay at work on the weekends because they were blaming her for taking a vacation when the others were working, she got so burnt her husband sent her to her sister (a) her story it's awful, and it's so normal the suicide rates are enough for Korea to be despairing 😞 Those are the stories I remember that prove why a lot don't care about their own security and only wanted to get drunk 😞

@ANPC-pi9vu

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for the info on why this happened this year. I think the president should have his own security detail that travels with him wherever he goes instead of taking up so much police personnel. It makes no sense to subject an entire city to a police shortage for the safety of only one man. So selfish.

@ANPC-pi9vu

Жыл бұрын

@@arlicelovely1689 That's so horrible. It sounds like Korea needs stricter worker's rights regulations to stop employers from abusing them like that. That is insane.

Used to go to a vocational school just around the corner from Shibuya crossing (pre pandemic). Remember being at school during the halloween and when I went outside the school I think it was around 10 police vans parked on the street in preparation for the evening.

I was in Shibuya at Halloween in 2018 and it was unbelievably packed. Just like this one except the area is not slopped. Scary and exciting at the same time.

This year's Halloween was really Scary.

@TheOtakuDude

Жыл бұрын

I agree.

There's a yearly medieval fair here in Portugal that takes place in an entire village. It's so popular that the police needs to siege the place and limit how many people get into it, because being an old village with tight walled streets, the exact same thing would happen here... So Seul needed more crowd control like that, and after this tragedy I'm sure it will.

I had a feeling this happened in Itaewon, damn.

00:05 damn every single month???? I needa party w y’all

I lived in Osaka and goes to both this year and last year's Halloween, I think it is quite dense with people and crowds but the road/place in this case Doutonbori, Shinsaibashi theres still alot of spaces and not to mention theres police watching over managing the crowds, so I don't think it should be ban since Japan has a good place and management...

Halloween was a shitshow this year. I was coming back to London from a trip home and arrived to my station being evacuated because teenagers were firing fireworks at people. The loud evacuation notices, 100s of police, helicopter, fireworks etc. was no fun as I try and move along with my suitcase tryna figure out how tf I get home. And then I came home to the news of South Korea.

@thundurr

Жыл бұрын

What part of London is this??? Lived here my whole life and never heard anything close

@pixielove25

Жыл бұрын

@@thundurr This was this Monday Statford Station.

@thundurr

Жыл бұрын

@@pixielove25 Ah Stratford, that explains it, i was thinking more central

I saw a live stream of the Shibuya crossing on halloween night and yeah it didn't look safe at all.

It’s sad that these events happened, May All involved rip ❤

I was there in Itaewon, but luckily we left just before it turned bad.

They forgot about entity cramming 😔

to be honest i did not hear about it, your video was my first mention of it

Ultimately the crush in SK is a failure of public safety/event safety. Which is tough, because heading off the disaster probably needed to start hours before it happened. You can't control a sea of people, you can only stop it from forming. But your efforts will be made fun of if you send 100 safety officers to watch a crowd of 50 party goers. Maybe even called wasteful, so you get fewer resources for the next event.

Reminds me of the love parade disaster (10 dead, 650~ injured)

This is more human error than the holiday itself. Also, the areas are very different from each other. I've been around the Shibuya Crossing area, and from my opinion, even if there are even 100K people in the area, there are smaller intersecting streets that people can move to to avoid the crowd. Also, the streets are flat and well lit. The main hazard of Itaewon is that there are no organizers, the street itself is narrow with no way else to go but where the crowd is and is on an uphill road. It's sad that this happened in the first place.

i spent the early part of halloween handing out candy to trick or treaters, later in the evening i went to the costume party at the pub and late into the night iwas playing scary games with my friends on discord, pretty much what my halloween was like pre pandemic really and its an enjoyable evening.

Fabulous video, Joseph!

@TheOtakuDude

Жыл бұрын

Call him Joey.

@capshishblane1319

Жыл бұрын

@@TheOtakuDude No

@zerefdragneel69

Жыл бұрын

@@TheOtakuDude I mean Josh really made a good video tho

I grew up on Sydney's Northern Beaches in Australia. Halloween used to be exciting because no one in my neighbourhood celebrated it. The majority of the houses didn't have candy, so they gave me money, and I usually made a couple hundred dollars.

That was the fault of the S. Korean government. They knew they would have a crowd, they knew people wanted to hang out again after covid prevention was lifted, and they even had people calling since that afternoon, but they never took it seriously until too late. It was an excuse to say that there were no organizers like a BTS concert.

I was there last year and everything went well, sad how it turned out this year

3:40 sure but who the hell look at that and think "i guess im going to try swiming into people, that seems like an amazing idea!"

Halloween's already been on the chopping block in Japan for decades.

I've watched a few seconds of the footage taken by people in the situation itself on Twitter, and those few seconds still haunts me as it is burnt into my memory. It is disturbing and horrible and if you're somebody who cannot handle things like that, I advise you to not look for it

Another channel Mrs. Eats talked about how Halloween used to have (and for some, still has) a negative reputation in Japan, especially with older folks due to foreigners taking over, drinking and causing disturbances on the Yamanote line. Is this still a thing?

2022 is the first year that I see Halloween actually got scary.

Even in America, we have some rules on Halloween like children shouldn't trick or treat after 7 or 8pm, etc.

What surprises me is the number of people still goin in that wall of people. I would go near that mass if I see it a mile away

watching this and then realizing that Joey subscribers nr is on 666K. it's all good ppl just a number.

a similar thing happened in my country a year ago... definitely a lesson learned the hard way.... very unfortunate and avoidable...

Hearing about this made me think about new years eve in NYC when the ball drops at midnight. Those streets are flooded and jam pacted with people. Though there's never been such a horrific incident to my knowledge, knowing that it is possible if one of those nights become too rowdy for police to control, it's a scary thought. Same with the possibility of an unstable person pulling a 2019 Tokyo car attack as well. This accident surely sets a precedent for the seriousness of implementing public safety for events in general. RIP and my condolences to everyone.

As someone who doesn't drink, smoke, or partake in drugs. I only ever saw Halloween as a time for kids to have fun and get candy. When i heard about the street party i honestly had no clue how i would handle it because i don't take part in drinking and such. If people can find a way to have fun without those im all for it.👍 I still don't know what i would do there.🤣

The footage is horrifying saw it on twitter without warning and it made me feel ill

Asian countries should take note from NYC, and do a family friendly parade. There’s rarely ever a problem in the Halloween parade at NYC.

Joey, there's an important thing to note here - What happened in Korea was due to negligence of the government and forces. It's a lot to dive into, but worth reading up on. It wasn't any difference in terms of quantity of people compared to pre-pandemic years, in fact this year even less people attended than say, 2019. The head of the police received a call about the crush TWO HOURS after it had already happened, and people started calling the police about the danger of the situation few hours prior, but nothing was done. And if we dive even deeper, their current president requested hundreds of policemen to monitor him that day because instead of living at the Blue House like their president should (the Blue House is practically the White House of South Korea), his 'shaman' that he takes everywhere told him there's bad feng shui in the house, and so he decided to reside someplace else that's in the Itaewon area. Because of that, over 800 police officers were assigned to guard him around the clock and also guard a (MUCH smaller in quantity) protest that was happening outside his house, instead of being at Itaewon and looking after the 100k celebrators. So instead of 800-900 officers guarding Itaewon, you had 200 who had no clue how to control the situation after it escalated. So if you ask me, there's definitely someone to blame here, and that's the incompetence of the system. It was 100% preventable.

At least shibuya crossing is a huge area, ive been watching shibuya halloween from live cctv since 2017 xD

I see a crowd half the density of that, I would just walk away.

Apparently there was a rumor that "unnamed" idol showed up at the halloween festivities and it went downhill from there. But it's a rumor friend told me.

This reminds me something similar in Hong Kong. In 1993, Lan Kwei Fong, a popular pub and bar area. If i remembered, during Christmas eve, a open party turned into a crush due to rowdy participants influenced by alcohol. Around 20 people were crushed to death. If someone knows more about it, please do expand on it.

It's human nature to follow the crowd and move in btwn but it's hard when other ppl think the same or even stay in one place to chat or chill. Ppl need some officers or volunteers to control the movement of the crowd, but with so many ppl and lack of officers, the crowding went out of hand. I heard korea had 600 police officers out during Halloween in the past, but this year was smaller at 100 all spread out elsewhere. They were definitely short staffed and did not prepare for the large groups to enter itaewon because there r other parts of the city that also have parties and crowds forming. It's just itaewon that went wrong really fast

This reminds me of the Hillsborough incident in the uk very famous where a bunch of people got crushed at a soccer game , i feel that korea should do the same thing they did which is strict measures so people can safely enjoy the holiday ,gosh all those poor people alot could of been teens aswell just trying to have a good time just horrible gah

Dang! How I did see any of this on the News channels not even on social media (usa), just find out on this video...

Actually squeezes are completely predictable. When organizing an event there IS someone that is supposed to do logistics and insert measures that discourage people from packing wall to wall like sardines so that a squeeze doesn't happen; traffic cones or stanchions to leave open space, the strategic placement of anticipated high traffic areas, etc. And lastly, security to make sure people don't pour into these cordoned-off areas. This would have made it so that less people would be able to get in, but it also would have made it so that when the fall occurred that the crowd could properly disperse with this extra space. I imagine it being a public event made it so that nobody felt responsible for that role, and that led to something as tragic as this.

Definitely such a scary, terrible, and devastating event that happened in South Korea. It boggled my mind to think that over 150 people were killed in such a way. That is almost equal to the death toll of the 2011 Joplin EF-5 Tornado. Just absolutely heartbreaking. My heart goes out to those individuals and their families. ❤️

Itaewon is pronounced like "It-Tay-Won ('Won' like past tense of win)" so you got it pre close. Also yeah it's really terrible. Having been in the area many times, that area is for the most part made of several tiny alleyways in the main stretch, so there really is no room to accommodate that many people. I think that the spontaneity of so many people meeting (including at the local venues) plus the lack of space in the area ultimately was the cause of it. People just panicked as more and more came in and I agree with what you said; it's a blameless tragedy. I'm sure there will be ways to mitigate it for the future it's just really sad that it happened at all.

this is hearbreaking i didnt know this happened 😢

no worries mate, 이태원 is pronounced ee te won Thank you for the video, Love from Seoul, south korea

im worried about how that would affect manga and anime, so it should stay but people should slow down and be in less of a hurry when theres people around on a event when someone is knocked over it means a busy people needs to instantly be noted maybe putting on like a i dont know a beeping sound buzzer on the front of a shirt during holiday events so someone could be heard when they fall over like a fall over beep buzzer so people know to stop and lift someone up off the floor and ask if they need an ambulance.

I really do not mean to come across as that ignorant American when saying this, I’m just speaking from personal experience here. I feel terrible for all those people. This is why you can’t completely trust local authority, not because of some misguided paranoia or conspiracy. But just for the simple fact of reality. Yes they are trusted and responsible for keeping the city safe, but it does not “guarantee” it. You absolutely have to be aware of your surroundings, do not just go with the flow and do what everybody else does. And even though probably not common in that part of the world, with things going on that are just increasingly disturbing, you can’t afford to not be cautious. You have to be alert, have an exit. And even then there’s only so much you can do, I remembered hearing about the whole Travis Scott concert debacle, and how painful and difficult that was for some people. It was a situation where people rushed past security and the ticket gates, also leading to a crowd crush. And it’s not really any of those concert goers fault, especially ones that were just already there and had paid for their tickets. Obviously the situation is different, and I don’t think there’s really anyone at fault, and by that I mean it didn’t seem to be a situation that was out of malice or intent to hurt people, if anything it seems to be more of an issue of preparation or failure to act.

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New subscriber! And I don't think it's possible to ban Halloween because it celebrates on 10•31 every year! Nothing has changed or nothing new!

Methods that I know are from New York and what NYC does in Times Square for New Years Eve is to let people in to one area until it is full, then shut it off with barricades except to residents, who are sent cards to prove their residence ahead of time. Then people go to the area on the next street until that gets cut off. And so on and so forth. Then no more are allowed into the area after a certain hour. Another method to use is to have another large public event held. That divides up the crowd. Yet another method of crowd division is the Rockafeller Center Christmas current method is to have celebrity performances in several different locations around the city.

Greetings from south korea 🇰🇷 ❤️ 💕 My school stopped celebrating it the day after the itewon accident That happened actually on the 30th and obviously Halloween is officially on the 31st. So sad but i hope it never happens again 🙂

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This remainds me so much of the loveparade 2010 here in germany where 21 people and here are now over 150?! I'm so fucking sad that something like this happend after all this bullshit the last years. Just seeing the pictures is just so crazy to imaging what those people had to experience.

Sadly enough while watching this i am at home in isolation with Corona.

the one thing is. this isn't uncommon in itewon. every year it's crowded asf.. but this year for some reason it failed.

As Agent K once said, "A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky, dangerous animals and you know it."

One thing they should try to do is spread it out. It's not good if everyone is in Shibuya. That said, the Shibuya crossing itself is basically safe. People see pictures of the huge crowd there as if that's dangerous, but it's probably not unless there was actually some sort of attack. It should likely push itself out up Dogenzaka and south of the station if it gets too crazy. Center-gai maybe, though it's still fairly wide with lots of outlets. But there are a lot of long, tiny alleys in Shibuya and that's where the real danger is. I don't know what the condition of these are, but of course if the event keeps getting bigger and bigger eventually the crowds will start feeding into the alleys and creating death traps. Again, effort should be made to spread it out. Try to get people to go to Odaiba or Yoyogi or Hibiya for some sort of alternate events.

trick or treating is practically begging with extra steps.

151 people!? that's insane.

Obviously it is very tragic, but I also think it’s so interesting to see the cultural differences of the holiday in general. I think you hit the nail on the head with saying that the biggest difference is that Halloween is not like a neighborhood thing in Japan like it is in America. A lot of people in America see it as a holiday for children and for them to go trick or treating. But since they don’t really have that in Japan they jump to the part where you get drunk. I think it’s very similar to the drinking age in the States. Because a lot of Americans don’t get any access to alcohol before they are 21/go to college, once they are old enough they binge drink just for the hell of it.

It is VERY different to the rest of the world and how we would treat them restrictions for a holiday, example: here in ireland (where you met my fella in a music shop up north in belfast), we have a holiday where all bars and sale of drink/booze is banned/closed and everyone gets the day off basically, our answer to these restrictions on our holiday?: EVERYONE buys a pile amount of drink the day before, so off-licenses/offies (liqueur stores) are barren if your not in the queue before the afternoon. ive seen a guy start a fight over a 12 pack of Harp beer. We would not last long in japan, that or the japanese police would arrest irish accents on the spot

I think big event like that must be held in huge square stadium or open field to prevent this happen again

Its definitely bc its the first since the pandemic, we had a similar experience in Israel last lag ba Omer, its a holiday and one of the traditions is to "flatten on righteous grave".since it was the first time after the pandemic a lot more ppl went and 147 ppl got crushed and died.

Crowds can be in any festival, celebration, protest etc Banning one festival won't make a difference . If its known and estimated that at a particular day there is going to be huge crowd gathering Take better precautions to mobilize it so that everyone is safe. Banning or saying "don't go to crowded places" isn't the solution