He called a raise with Q9 honey

@endoffate5475

8 жыл бұрын

+xxxViceroyxxx Its so sick

@jamesgalbraith12

8 жыл бұрын

+xxxViceroyxxx HAHAHAHHAHAHA

@themoneymaker03

7 жыл бұрын

YoreyC lmao!! he won't last another hour!

@StoicTrader-

6 жыл бұрын

YoreyC this the the problem with micro stakes... 5 bucks means absolutely nothing to people so it's impossible to get them off a worse hand preflop or even after the turn..

@chrisnewtownnsw

6 жыл бұрын

and how is this a problem? you haven't thought deeply enough about this if you think it's problematic

One common mistake I've been noticing in my low stakes casino limit games is players get disheartened by really bad beats on the river from chasers who get gut shots or backdoor flushes. I'm starting to realize that while it sucks to lose a big pot, this is cause to celebrate. This means that there are lots of players at these tables that are going to be overall paying huge premiums when you flop a set or even top pair.

I always fear flushes in the low stakes game at which I’m a regular. People hold on to the most bizarre crap, even moreso when they’re suited. I’ve lost premiums to a rivered flush against 8/4 suited more times than I care to remember.

@noahg2755

5 жыл бұрын

Truedat.

@VilleHyytiainenInvesting

4 жыл бұрын

When you 3 bet preflop and end up losing the hand to 2 4 offsuit full house it hurts

@EazyWarrior

4 жыл бұрын

Cuz its low stakes? So range can be much wider right? Depending on the BB and Position etc wouldnt maximizing value on your C bet bully out the flush draws? Im not a competitive player just in my weekly with friends. So im open to thoughts on why that would or wouldnt work.

@tiagomota4734

3 жыл бұрын

Teue that but you cant imagine how much money you made in long tun in those situations byplaying like that!

@DonRua

3 жыл бұрын

I have no problem losing with 80% equity. cos 1 in 5 times he finds that 20%. I have a huge problem with the timing of occurances. If card dead all night. That is when these extreme cases will happen. Usually 3-5 times a night. then normal for 2-4 weeks, another one. The timing is so accurate that I even asked my wife to come and watch how runner runner will happen to take my top set. One night my wife watched it happened 5 times. Gaming is a dirty business. Way back card counters were called card cheats. Vegas used to backroom them before 86 them. Nobody in the real world would care. Poker wasn't much better. The best player ever lived Stu Unger didn't give the game a good reputation. Finally it went mainstream, Poker after Dark, clean cut respectable people. Howard was a prof and Jesus had a PhD, then what did they do to Full Tilt? Daniel is as clean cut as they come. Even him, he was a hustler back in the days in Toronto. One good guy Barry Greenstein.

Q9s would not have called PF with a bigger squeeze... => maybe true, but this is result oriented, because we definately want this hand to call us ...

@RXnerdOfTheNight

8 жыл бұрын

+ED Not necessarily...the implied odds aren't that great with KK vs Q9 because you're very unlikely to get any more money out of him short of bluffs or a Q high board and if the flush/straight/set comes in for him you might be losing a lot of money. I completely agree with the bigger squeeze because at worst they fold a small additional percentage of the time (which isn't a disaster anyways because the implied odds aren't that good) and the rest of the time you're getting more value.

@DoctorChained

5 жыл бұрын

​@@RXnerdOfTheNight So you're basically saying if we have Q9s in this position we should call raises. Either it's +EV or it isn't. I think it's clear we want him to call.

You make the absolute best instructional poker videos on KZread. Thanks so much!

Hi James, your videos are amazing and super super helpful. Keep them coming! :)

Great video as always, man! Considering the SPR on the flop, is it better to just play this as a 2-street game? As you pointed out, villain's range for calling a flop bet is fairly inelastic, and in my opinion, his range for calling on the turn is even moreso. I'd probably bet $1.25 -$1.40 on the flop with the intent on pushing the turn. I think this has the added benefit of eliciting a turn call from something like TxTh, 9T with a heart or other hands that'll fold river, but call turn.

@ Siim: checking to induce is valid whether it's FR or 6max

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Great Video. I think in this situation the first bet should feel slightly weak as if, I got the a pair of 88 for example. Even the wild cat and worst fish will get spooked. So appear weak to them and frustrated it works act mad and etc. THEN smash them like bugs.....lol I used to get frustrated with extreme loose play. These videos showed me some important insight how to decap the chips from their "lucky" stack. There is nothing sweeter than taking down a wildcat. At least that's what I think. lol.

What if instead of full ring it is 6max. EP opens pot, btn flats and you have KK on SB. Would checking the turn becomes an option? With intention to induce bet from pair+FD type hands. However it puts us in stupid situation if he checks and heart comes on river.

I like the half-pot bet on the flop w/the top set mainly because when I whiff totally on these sorts of boards and I am the 3-bettor this is about the size I make my c-bets.

I'm more of a tourney player then cash player but on that flop I think check calling or check shoving based on his bet size is the best play. The board's so dry that when we bet most the time we just take the pot down uncontested. Opponents only continue with flush draws, sets and top pair (of which there are few) when we lead out half pot. When we check our opponent's are gonna lead with all their made hands and draws anyway which call a bet but we also give them the oppurtunity to take a stab at the pot with air. If the villain hits his draw then he hits his draw, betting the flop would have ended with the same result. Checking keeps the villains range as wide as possible when we have the board all but locked up. If it gets checked through we can start building the pot on the turn and we may get less credit for having a hand because we checked on the flop.

@ThePokerBank

9 жыл бұрын

Checking makes more sense in a HU pot where villain is much more likely to bet (in multi-way pots they tend to be more standoffish). But by betting we can also get looked up by 99-QQ, AK, KQ, etc. If they are folding all of those hands to a bet here, you'd want to be bluffing a ton but betting some big hands for balancing purposes.

@ifeelgroggy2771

9 жыл бұрын

Even if we check we can still get looked up a street by those same hands on most turns. We may even get hero called two streets (doubtful but when I've taken this line some people have called off with 2nd pair thinking I can't have it). I don't think we need to think about balancing our range at these stakes most opponents aren't thinking types. Just giving my opinion :) I'm not trying to discredit your line of thinking and I'm sure your a much better poker player than me. I'm also speaking from the perspective of an M.T.T player so your line may be better for cash.

@ThePokerBank

9 жыл бұрын

By that logic, what about betting 1/3 pot on each street? Since you are just looking to get called off, and by checking you assume you mostly only get 1 street of value...3 smaller bets nets more value and likely still induces a lot of calls simply because the bet looks so silly

Brilliant videos. Lot of food for thought.

@ThePokerBank

9 жыл бұрын

Thanks Mahym!

is there a video of how to play AA? nice analysis btw

I'm new to poker, but I cant see how going all in on a scary flop like this isn't the best option with trip kings, it gives your opponent bad odds if there on a flush draw, and saves hero from getting beat by the flush like in this example.

In general, is it plus ev to put your whole stack on the line (or most of it), lets say 100 bb deep when you have a strong set when there is 3 cards of the same suit? I'm a beginner so i'm looking more in terms of heuristics than calculating exact combos.

@liveslowlivesimple

4 жыл бұрын

generally i'd say yes, but there are dozens of factors to consider like opponent stats, board texture, and other things mentioned in the video. i wouldnt just say shove every time you have a set on a flushy board. so many other factors to consider. just to scratch the surface, if i'm betting into a nit (14 or lower vpip) on a flush board and he keeps calling there's a good chance i don't bet the river. if he reraises i'm even contemplating a fold on certain boards. against a fish i'm more likely to bet the whole way, although their wide range makes it scary as well.

How differently would you play the hand in a single raised pot with larger SPR? Or to put it in a broader sense, how would you balance your turn betting/checking range when the flush card hits? What I normally do is bet my flushes and TP without redraw, check TP with redraw (not many combos). It seems like we should check sets here for balance and other reasons but I'm not entirely sure about this. What do you think?

@ThePokerBank

9 жыл бұрын

Why not bet with all of the value hands and some bluffs vs trying to create a range where some of your value hands are checking?

@qingyang5296

9 жыл бұрын

The Poker Bank I think the difference between sets and TP is that TP is drawing dead against a flush, so there's nothing wrong (to me) with bet folding it on the turn. A set still has plenty of equity though, so I hesitate to take that line. That leaves bet calling, which we usually dont have enough odds for. Even today (I think) not many people cr turns as a bluff. edit: not to mention my checking range would just be weak and face up

@qingyang5296

9 жыл бұрын

yes, I guess that makes sense from a mathematical pov. Thanks for answering my questions! Is there any way i can make a small contribution to show my appreciation?

If the board would've paired up with that trip Kings...wow that would've been amazing 🌟🌟🌟

Should you shove AQ hearts on the flop?

Isn't it better to check turn and let him bluff ? I don't think anybody could call three streets with flush on the board, except calling stations which are just an exceptions. And if villain bets river too, then we just fold. Or should we expect a bluff a lot of the time ? Please explain. :?

@ThePokerBank

9 жыл бұрын

Lietuviškas Cepelinas if you aren't betting KK on the turn, are you going to have any betting range? If not, you are giving hands like weak pairs with a heart free equity for no reason...

@LietuviskasCepelinas

9 жыл бұрын

Okay, but what about river? Should we expect call from non flush hands? Why don't let him bluff?

@JimCarel

8 жыл бұрын

+Lietuviškas Cepelinas weak pairs tookoften there sdv

@bacchys

8 жыл бұрын

+Lietuviškas Cepelinas If he's got a bluff catcher like TT with a heart there's no way he's betting on the river. given the strength hero was representing, he's not betting much, if anything, that a set beats.

when you have a set and they have a flush draw on flop the odds a flush comes on turn and the board does not pair on the river is 6.25 to 1, therefore in these situations I am in protection mode and give about max 5 to 1 implied odds with my flop bet and therefore if I pay off a flush later on, I had given incorrect pot odds.

@ThePokerBank

9 жыл бұрын

That depends on how big the bets are that you end up paying off

Agree his pre flop 3 bet size could've been bigger. I feel like a bigger flop size bet maybe all in would be best. Given if he 3 bet to .90 pre, the pot woulda been 2.7 if he got 2 callers. With 4.1 behind and a flush draw, i feel like an all in shove on the flop woulda been best. It gets medium hands to call n puts draws to the test. Other wise checking the turn n folding is probable if u feel like u gotta read on ur opponent. I dont feel like we have to go broke here with 2nd best. Hit the fold button then on to the next hand. Quit playing desperately. If ur a good player it'll average out n ull make ur money back then some

A check raise on the flop might have gotten through. Especially with the hearts out, I like a check raise here. If EVERYONE checks behind, yes, you don’t really know what they’re holding, but now the pot isn’t so bloated that you have to go all in on the river. Maybe save yourself some money on later streets, OR get that raise in and end the hand early.

I play like the villain on 6 max,, when I see someone who plays their AA and KK and I get a read on them PF, and know that they will continue the hand like this regardless of the texture I can get their stack... Am I in the wrong mindset(?) or was this play by the villain not optimal? I get it to work with fishes, and some regs too i guess... And if I would have played this KK,, i would've slowed down when the flush hit, coz Im thinking my op with a set or two pair would also slow down a bit or try to bluff the flush, so when i call i beat em.... If i bet however,, I think ill face a flush often enough times(?)

@ThePokerBank

9 жыл бұрын

The issue with villain's play is that his hand misses the flop so much more often than it hits, so the math is incorrect even if you know villain has KK+.

@AdamYoudell

9 жыл бұрын

The other thing too is, what if an ace had flopped instead? there goes your action from KK and down. It's already tough enough to flop a good hand or draw, but action killer cards may flop or hit turn and kill your profit even if you do get what you were looking for and you're beating him. I started folding most of my draws right on the flop if I do play them I raise. You miss a lot but at least he could fold. A flush completing is a major action killer. They are better to bluff at than actually make a lot of the time lol. Same with setmining. You might flop your set, but he was raising with QQ and a K flops. Good luck getting any significant action. You need them to have overpair/TPGK/2 pairs. 8 out+ draws might give you action but they are very live against you. This guy just kept firing cause even if they got the flush, he is not drawing dead the full could come on river. It's harder when you only have 1/maybe 2 pair to keep going balls to the wall when flush completes

Bad luck, you have to bust here. However, i prefer a minimum half pot to $2 bet on turn. $1.50 just dont make sense, unless villain is repping a Ah flush here and betting a $1.50 for value.. But looking at the stacks behind and the pot, it just dont make sense because even if you bet $0.50 on turn, the only hands that are calling you would be flush or sets drawing for house. Please advise

@sylvainslater7496

6 жыл бұрын

check folding top set on the turn from the wide range of a fish is crazy he could have so many hand that would call the flop with a heart that will chase on the turn or bet on a draw on the turn cause you showed weakness and then you fold top set for a bluff and also not get the chance to make your full on the river . I believe all he said was correct. In low stakes value betting is key and for that you have to take some risk if he outdraws you well too bad and you still have outs for that scenario and even a nit could have a set or an ak that he is unable to drop and not getting max value would be a sin

I get this situation all the time. I play the same way. I am glad you verified I am not wrong. But losing 3-4 pots a session depresses me. I play small stake at pokerstars. I generally win except for situations like this. I would lose 5 stacks in a session. Kelly Criterion, Lower stake, not even half way there it happens again. When cards not running right all session, thats when it happens. One night, I had 88, flop J8x, set, all good, turn another J, fullhouse, even better, 3B 4B, shoved. He had J8. It happens. Next hand, I made sure I had the nut boat before I shoved, I even asked my wife to come over to watch. I said I won't win. 1 in 40,0000 chances of quads, he is gonna have that. Sure as hell. Third one, asked wife to watch again, I had nut set, he needed runner runner to make flush. I told wife 2 hearts will come. And they did. To finish the night, he needed 1 of 2 6's at the river. I told wife that 6 WILL COME. and it did. So far it has happened about 5 times, each time cost me 3-5 stacks. I have a lady friend works with Hullmuth's wife at Stanford. I had always wanted to play good enough poker to have a chance to eventually meet these guys. not the way it is going lol.pls comment. THANK YOU.

I have issues with betting for value with perceived flush draws hitting. Playing a cash game last week at casino (1 euro/2 euro blinds). I raise UTG with 99, and BB defends. I flop a set, on an ace high board. 2 clubs on flop, turn is blank and river is another club. I had bet flop and turn, and checked back river - content with the pot, as I was afraid villain had floated to hit their flush and didn't want to be put in an awkward spot if they had checked to raise. Turns out they had two pair.

@ThePokerBank

9 жыл бұрын

Just think realistically about flush combos and then compare that number to the combos of worse hands that would gladly call a bet

@olitbritt

7 жыл бұрын

so, if there are more combinations that would call a bet with say 2 pair, tptk for example than a flush, you should make the call on the river yeah? thanks

I feel like my line would be more like Raise 0.75 pre Raise 0.85 on flop (Both with flushdraws, pockets, Kx or better.. I don't think I have 8's here because I don't like to squeeze it up against UTG, this is one of the worst hands you could have as you block none of the good hands utg can have and I would expect his often Raising or calling. I love 8's in multiway pot as it's so much more easy to play, I would however consider squeezing it if it was more of a late position that opened on me.) Overbet jam turn. (With most of my hands I bet the turn with. with a little over pot size bet here, I would jam alot of hands, check back the weaker ones ( Kx without a heart or a jack, any pocket pairs without a heart.. but I would with sets, 2 pairs, made flushes. and included my Ax with Ace of hearts, QQ with Queen of heart.. those type of hands. maybe some Air if I for some reasons have a read or information that I think I should bluff there.) I don't like to bet half pot and commit myself to stack off against a jam. I rather want the value right here, and I do have hands that appreciates a fold. I don't mind if my bets look strong because I do bluff and I need to extract my value whenever I have it. I don't want my opponent to have the option. I'm in the driver seat, I put out the aggression :D

@martinleithe8251

5 жыл бұрын

I don't follow this a 100%. I do mix up stuff sometimes.. But I think this would be my go to line the majority of time

The only problem I have is that you said you wanted him to bet more on turn. You said you like him to bet 225 or 250. That comment tells me your not counting chips. He only had 350 so betting over 200 would be an all in.

If we made a bigger squeeze preflop, Q9 might not have called... but isn't that exactly the point why you don't want to size your preflop bets TOO large? You wouldn't want everyone to fold against you, and not get any value for the KK. Especially on these levels, many not-so-good players will have a hard time to let go of weak hands when 3-bet or even 4-bet, so imo chaces are this situation would have played out the same way even with a larger 3-bet. Again, which should be good, cause if we scare everyone away preflop with these kind of hands, that would be -EV play, certainly if you think about the hands that WOULD call a raise like that: they would be AA or maybe AK, which would beat us most times.

So in the end a bad player gets lucky. That's low stakes for you.

@ravimandavi5741

5 жыл бұрын

@@IDDQDSound this was the end of that particular hand though.

Someone like that may get you like that but statistically you should be able to get it all back and then some rom that person

So I'm a beginner, and what I do in these situations is shove on the flop. Why is that bad? is it bad? I figure im giving the worse odds to call with a draw. if they fold i take the pot right there and if they call i just hope that they miss. But they rarely call me. I'm just too scared that runner runner hearts could come and then any idiot that has been calling my bets with a shit hand ends up cracking KK with the duce of hearts you know

@ThePokerBank

8 жыл бұрын

Unless villain is a total calling station - your shove just allows them to play perfectly. they fold their draws and weak hands and you win a small pot. You never give them enough rope to make multiple bad calls which can easily add up to more long term money even though we'll lose the pot some % of the time.

Hero’s play is pretty standard IMO

When you bet 2.25 on the turn, you either inducing a call from flush, aka the better hand, or you are turning away hands that u beat, for example 8X. After being called on the flop, opponent's range is very likely to be 8X, A3o, 44-99, and very few K pair with lousy kicker and nothing more. So with a turn card of Jh, betting 2.25 would definitely chasing off most of the hands you beat, but to get a call from flush. Only when the player is fish enough, they might call with 44-99 with a heart in it. The motivation behind the bet size of 2.25 is clearly not justified. A block bet or check-call is a better +EV action as compared to "value bet" as clearly there's not much value to be obtain in this board. Maybe there are lots of fishy player in the US, but here in Singapore players are much more solid even for microstakes.

if i played this post flop online i will raise about half to 3/4 his stack to make him pay for that flush draw. 75% of the time it aint comin if he chases and I get paid. If he folds you still get the pot which isnt a lot of money, but neither is the 4$ if he went all in and lost.

I look at this this way, 1st, know the player,2nd if I'm always thinking my opponents has the hand that beats me every time then I will never make any money and will get buffed out of hands by opponents that pay attention, and 3rd when you know your opponent and you almost sure he's on the draw that he won't fold then all that is left is pot control and hope the board pairs. I always make more $ betting for value because there will more times when he doesn't have the flush. Oh and why is the caller a bad player in position with a two gaper suited hand?those hand are $ maker as long as you know how to play them. I don't know maybe I'm a fish.

@ThePokerBank

9 жыл бұрын

Q9s is super loose from UTG in a full ring game. Yes he's IP vs HERO, but he's OOP against the button who will likely call the 3bet. Q9s is severely behind any logical 3betting range. And he's putting in 10% of the effective stack, and thus there will likely be a very medium SPR, with Q9s (a hand that won't smash hard enough and offers a ton of reverse implied odds)

Effectivement on a tendance à sur-estimer les draws rentrés ! Quand on observe la range adverse on se rend bien compte qu'il y a plus souvent d'autres combos que flush ! Beaucoup de points sont abordés et j'adore ça ! Superbe vidéo j'en apprends beaucoup grâce à vous merci !

In Short : yes or not?

Play looks correct to me. Squeezing larger may have gotten him out of there

@ThePokerBank

9 жыл бұрын

Or he may have called a slightly larger squeeze with it just the same :)

In hide sight only a shove pre flop saves this guy. Otherwise like Jim says you lost your money perfectly. Definitely should have folded the turn

If you've ever played Pub poker, you can't discount any combination of suited cards, 10-2s, 9-3s, doesnt matter. Suited cards will see a flop! HAHAHA

@dingaonhockey

Жыл бұрын

Don't know how they do that. They are losing so much money when they're getting flush over flushed and random 2 pair/top pair with shitty garbage kicker

@qwertstar101

Жыл бұрын

@@dingaonhockey When it comes to pub poker, the players are there to be entertained, and folding is boring

@dingaonhockey

Жыл бұрын

@@qwertstar101 makes sense. Let's check in with each other in another 3 years. God speed

I'm thinking q 10 hearts at the turn

@MrThewizard1134

5 жыл бұрын

Lol close enough ide of check folded the river

@majorbob7211

4 жыл бұрын

If you check fold top set... What are you calling with?

lots of times, you just know that a night of grinding comes down to one hand, so fuck larger. play small ball. isolated hands of course your analysis is right. but important hands, no

I don't really agree with you, I think going all in by the river makes totally no sense HE RAISES UTG, and calls all your bets, so assuming he has no flush is very risky, because if he has a flush he will just calls til the end and take your money So if you go all in by the river, you assume he has nothing more than a flush, or you want to force him to fold if he got a small flush (like 6 and 7 of hearts, suited connector), but it is very unlikely to happen as he raises UNDER THE GUN! If he got a marginal hand, he may be trying to call your bets and bluff you in the river, risking that you don't have a flush, so why don't you check and let him bluff? You all in and force him to fold, so you can't make money If he got a flush and you going all in, you are just committing suicide The only outcome that makes the all-in a good decision is that he got a strong hand like a set and doesn't want to fold, and he calls and loses, but the chance is very low! And if he got a set he will still fear that YOU have a flush and fold, so that is pretty stupid, why don't you let him bet and call his bet by checking and also if he folds you don't make a lot of money too, you risk by going all in

Dont play cash tables online, your 3x raise gets called by almost anything. AA KK QQ in a tourney? Just shove your almost always getting called by A rag and KQs etc.

I feel like you sound like Jonah Hill sober....more like the money ball Jonah Hill....

And if you have been playing for 3 hours or so and lose all the money to a Flush, I am not sure U will be too happy about it

@ThePokerBank

9 жыл бұрын

As is poker though...it's what we signed up for when we decided to play our first hand of the day :)

@TsarOfRuss

9 жыл бұрын

The Poker Bank I find your video and advises best for real life games.. Do you play at the casino or real life cash games?

@ThePokerBank

9 жыл бұрын

SplitSuit plays live cash games currently

just let your students go all in every time they have a big hand. larger, larger, larger.

i do NOT agree with you. 3:10 why did he call you on flop? because he has a flush draw or pocket 9's. OR AIR! they are *NOOBS!* they arent thinking at all! this hand was played *VERY POORLY.* basically its slow playing kings. you shouldve bet harder preflop, avoiding this situation all together. in these stakes against strangers you are supposed to make like a bayblade and let it rip when you get pocket kings! _go ahead, TRY to say im wrong, ill 1v1 you so fast!_

There is no worthwhile information you can gain from micro limit in all honesty.

@ravimandavi5741

5 жыл бұрын

Yes lots of punters are there