The irony of watching this on KZread...

@waplington

4 жыл бұрын

Just bought her book on Audible...

@arubeato

4 жыл бұрын

As long as you don't buy her book an amazon ;)

@rlmbati10

4 жыл бұрын

arubeato Amazon owns Audible...

@waplington

4 жыл бұрын

@@rlmbati10 so weird, I was literally listening to this audiobook when I got a notification you'd commented on the video that made me buy it XD

@arubeato

4 жыл бұрын

@@rlmbati10 lol... what isǹt owned by amazon, fb or google. seriously...

The irony and the sadness of understanding that she is probably aware that less than 2 % of the population in UK has the necessary education, background and vocabulary to fully understand what she is saying. I could see her dumbing it down to the max , as much as she can, she even had to explain the basic concept of freedom and democracy. Is a good thing she did not mention the panopticon society because that would have sent 99% of the people to sleep instantly. I usually hate academicians but i really like this lady.

@csmoviles

3 жыл бұрын

🤣👍

@SillyLittleAshTree

3 жыл бұрын

I agree, though there's a certain factor to the whole way in which it is presented that leads me to believe that her role is more in the realm of predictive programming than any sort of alarm sounding.

@guelewaar7998

3 жыл бұрын

1. Philosophers and deep thinkers do not actually always resort to utilising long complex words to convey their ideas. That is usually the trait of fanfarons and sciolists who hide the vacuity of their thoughts behind the prestige of pompous verbosity. 2. "Panopticon" is in actuality not a sophisticated word or quite such an esoterica (complex concept). Philomaths can find it in John Bentham or Michel Foucault's writings. The latter explains it masterfully in "Surveiller et Punir" in quite simple ordinary words. ;)

@evanokeroa4877

3 жыл бұрын

At least you yourself knows doesn't that matter what does it instill in you give up or get go!

@vancesnyder2426

2 жыл бұрын

I believe people are smarter than you think, but they have bought into the hegemon or are too frazzled to take the time to listen.

Ch 4, if you're a truly independent TV news station, you must start showing more material like this on a regular basis so we can educate the public on this outrage and start the fightback. Get on with it!

@celinamilian

4 жыл бұрын

There is nothing to fight back here enough of these liberal socialist weird phrases that dont even follow any logic.

@socialgoodness

4 жыл бұрын

Ditto

@Barefoot_Joe

4 жыл бұрын

Who ever said they were independent? Channel 4 is partly funded by the license fee and is therefore beholden to the government, like most news media in the UK they tow the party line when told to. Don't expect government controlled news media to protect or help you, get out there yourself.

@alanski2005

4 жыл бұрын

@@Barefoot_Joe I said 'if'. It was a message to Ch4 to act independently. I'm aware of their position, so I don't need to hear you haughty attitude and certainly dont need your advice. Get it?

@evanokeroa4877

3 жыл бұрын

They live within the framework which is allowed perhaps at the time or someone within is sincere

Excellent. Congratulations to Channel 4

She is very good at explaining the complex relation between privacy and commercial/political products exemplified by Facebook and Google.

Anyone watching this in 2020 ? This makes more sense now than ever.Their power is in controlling emotions and instilling fear.

@NICEFINENEWROBOT

2 жыл бұрын

2021 and weak in the knees

@imannews5419

2 жыл бұрын

Watching 2021 see it even more now.

@harjith.d.bubber

2 жыл бұрын

Watching it inn2022. Reading her book too. Makes your hair stand on end

So "all" people need to do, is sacrifice convenience, get past our differences and stay focused on a constant battle for freedom? We're doomed...

@chandresworld

4 жыл бұрын

Nope, she says hold them accountable legally!

@EY_YES

4 жыл бұрын

I know🔭🔭🔭😓

@fordprefect1925

3 ай бұрын

Yes precisely. We shouldn’t be the one holding ourselves accountable. That’s what they want. It should be them.

Can you believe this lady is 68 years old? Astonishing how she has kept up with the pace of technological advancement, giving such sharp insights into on of the most pressing issues of modern times.

@bammyshore7392

4 жыл бұрын

Her generation and those before built the internet.

@lfior

3 жыл бұрын

she's a Harvard Professor with an expertise in technology...

@LeonGK59

3 жыл бұрын

@@lfior you don't say...

@josephshumake5989

6 ай бұрын

Nice bit of ageism there... Like 68 is ancient history or something 🤣😂🤣

@LeonGK59

6 ай бұрын

@@josephshumake5989 It's not, but she is definitely not a digital native either.

She needs to do a Joe Rogan podcast, I think it would be a good platform for her ideas.

@mark1952able

4 жыл бұрын

JRE....AGREE!

@JustGettinStarted

4 жыл бұрын

Could not say it any better......

@JordanHarbingerShow

3 жыл бұрын

Rogan be like: "they can predict our emotions, but have you tried DMT?"

@aeroblivion5961

3 жыл бұрын

I don’t think these are her ideas, it’s reality.

@britox.6216

3 жыл бұрын

Or Valuetainment

What a beautiful human being, Shoshana for World President

@OlviMasta77

3 жыл бұрын

No 'world president' pls

Please Channel 4 news, can you get some official captions for these videos.

This being shown on youtube, a google company, is a good example of what an attorney once told me about disclosure and culpability....if you dont think most people will pay attention nor care, tell them what youre actually doing. Even document it. You are protected from ever being accused of deception or misrepresentation.

@Acez21

2 жыл бұрын

And you’re 100% right it’s 2 years later and only 110k views …

Knowledge is power ------------ Controlling the flow of data sets is 21st Century "Knowledge" --------------- so... Data is Power

Wonderful interview.

It amazes me that people still use FB. I left after the Cambridge thing. Yet still, even many organisations that should know better still assume we all have profiles.

@melaniewalker5226

4 жыл бұрын

I don't have Facebook and I don't have loyalty cards, unfortunately I haven't learnt to live without KZread.

@snowstrobe

4 жыл бұрын

@@melaniewalker5226 same, it's the one thing wwe desperately need an alternative to.

Water meters show when people are at home. When they get up etc. Same with electricity meters.

Is it time to fight back by starting a grass roots movement of deception on the part of online users. One example could be to deliberately google something random every day, such as a holiday, a car, a household product etc. Would this lead Google to accumulate faulty data on each one who participates, therefore making this information less valuable.

@izzytwist6909

4 жыл бұрын

This unfortunately would only scratch the absolute surface of surveillance capitalist endeavours. If Google has enough algorithmic power to predict your future emotion because it bases its raw material source in many real world nodes of input (e.g CCTV, private shared photos, messages to friends), they will easily have the computational ability to assess whether the search you have inputted is an attempt at usurping that power.

@andrasgasparpiko8121

4 жыл бұрын

I did this for a while. I looked up furniture crafting videos on the side every time I opened an internet browser. Guess what? I started developing a genuine interest and I almost applied for internship at a workshop before coming back to the studies and work that I still pursue. The camouflage started becoming a reality. Most stylish and grotesque outcome imo.

@jazzip

3 жыл бұрын

@@andrasgasparpiko8121 lol that is funny and scary at the same time. It’s like walking up a down escalator.

@biscuit9187

2 жыл бұрын

yesss. That is one element of very many

This has been going on for considerably longer than she suggests. How long ago did "loyalty cards" arrive in supermarkets? Yes, it's considerably more sophisticated now, but the idea that "profiling" from what we purchase is not really as recent as suggested.

@fainitesbarley2245

4 жыл бұрын

Yes but it was relatively easy not to have one or not to go to supermarkets at all. It’s difficult to avoid any form of social media or other internet use.

@michaeldelisieux5252

4 жыл бұрын

@pammens miss Hong Kong is a "case study".

@HS-fm9kv

4 жыл бұрын

Paul Kamill never signed up and use cash....

@SimFoxSim

4 жыл бұрын

You are absolutely right. What she does is creating smoke screen when speaking of this phenomenon labeling it in "economic" terms. Yes it was also done in business for as long, long time. But it was also done by state and Church for millennia. In fact she is mouth piece of view that is terrified of these "state and church" are losing collective monopoly on that process. That technological changes make possible privatization of the power, and as such could lead to civil wars within establishment (Brexit and Trump are perfect examples of first battles of these wars). In a same way as Putin explains destabilization in Russia by Western intelligence operation, West explains destabilization at home by Russian or Chinese interference. Huawei Bans is just a smoke screen to destruct public (and illegal ways to fight competition in economics)

@mhtbfecsq1

4 жыл бұрын

tech companies do it slyly and on a much larger scale and theyre selling the data to all sorts of companies behind the scenes which has deeply negative consequences for society. You cant compare loyalty cards to surveillance capitalism by giant tech companies, its about the large scale manipulation and control too.

Good dialog. Both clever and on point. Thank you.

I'm in love with Shoshana.

One of the main concerns I have that doesn't seem to be addressed is that our future leaders and lawmakers are presently giving these compnaies all of their deepest secrets. Google etc will have total control over them.

I: 'How does it harm democracy?' S: *explains it* I: 'Well, but how does it harm democracy?' Yup.

@manuelenrique9220

3 жыл бұрын

She is such a smart woman. She totally deserved to be interviewed by a more intelligent person.

WOW Channel 4 News actually giving us some important and valuable information. Nice change but I won't get my hopes up!

@mattd8725

4 жыл бұрын

Just a shame the penny isn't going to drop about how this is being used to manipulate you because they work on your cognitive blind spots. Still, you can laugh at other people for being manipulated.

@parchy2008

4 жыл бұрын

@@mattd8725 Unfortunately it is no laughing matter Matt, this has had such a profound and negative impact on society that it really is scary to think where it will all end. Most people have no idea about any of this, believing that we are free and live in a democracy. It is all an illusion and left unchecked it is set to get a whole lot worse. The desire and beginning of all this started long before the technology was in existence to do it. For anyone one who wishes to understand the origins watch this incredible documentary by Adam Curtis: "The Century of the Self" kzread.info/dash/bejne/l35ntNyAn7SpZNY.html

@parchy2008

4 жыл бұрын

@H Kay At no point did I suggest it did. Straight back at ya dickhead.

@snowstrobe

4 жыл бұрын

You know this channel broke the Cambridge Analytica story, right.

@parchy2008

4 жыл бұрын

@@snowstrobe ​ LOL, I am now aware that YOU believe Channel 4 News "broke" the story. In fact I heard about it around 18 months before Channel 4 supposedly "broke" the story, on Lee Camps show "Redacted Tonight" on RT. I gave up on this propaganda outlet a long time ago, but as UK corporate media goes they are the best and do still produce some good stuff. Unfortunately It is very few and far between.

At 19:49 ..... *you don't have a reasonable expectation of privacy* if you're on Facebook. If you don't want people to know about things, don't put it on Facebook.

@gabrielb.3647

3 жыл бұрын

But her point is exactly that's it's not even about what we consciously put on facebook anymore, but it's long been about the behavioral patterns they can infer from our basic usage of the app. So we shouldn't even get the app if we don't want to feed the surveillance capitalists

@hazardousjazzgasm129

3 жыл бұрын

@@gabrielb.3647 Bingo, she talked about how your punctuation can be analysed to such a degree that even if you're being vague, you're giving them far more info than you consciously realize. Being subtle on facebook is one thing, not using it altogether is much better

This is so amazing. Highly recommended to watch. Especially at about 25 minutes where Dr. Zuboff talks about Pokemon Go. BTW, no talk in this about Tik Tok and what China is doing...just pointing this out.

@jayo3074

2 жыл бұрын

@erniE_抖音 AI Mobile Phone Based Movie tiktok is worse

An excellent interview by matt frei.

Honestly, what difference does it make whether it’s private companies, governments, political parties, media companies or others, it is still a pernicious and potentially malevolent technology. It means markets will be segmented not just on demographics, but on individual personalities.This is truly scary stuff that needs to be strictly regulated.

Fascinating.

The man conducting this interview is so rude. He constantly talks over her and interrupts her. Dude, next time shut up and listen since you've truly nothing to contribute.

@bermudakelp6224

3 жыл бұрын

he's just tryna prove that he's smart keke

Watching this and learning from the incredible Zuboff, is all of our civic duty for any second in cyberspace!!

5:08 Facial muscles = Gestures = emotion = behavior

We the people have the power, we just let these companies do it.

It's The Matrix, realized.

@JackdeDuCoeur

4 жыл бұрын

@Albert Pike I agree. It describes modern advertising/propaganda and we ignore that at our peril.

@viralvideoshd5606

3 жыл бұрын

and what is the Matrix for o You?

Ms. Zuboff is a first-class thinker. We need more of her ilk. When your book first came out I blew it off because I was put off by the term "surveillance." That bothered me and I did not think it applied to us. It is a loaded word and I should have given you the benefit of the doubt by at least reading your book. Little did I know how far advanced these companies have advanced. Please follow up with a new book as the world has exploded and China is so far advanced in this area and someday our own people or government will use this information to "silence" those who do not comply. Kinda reminds me of an Orwellian society waiting to happen.

Terrifyingly true! Big brother is here!

I read my kindle at night when I can’t sleep, if I finish a book the next morning I get up there’s a message from amazon saying, ‘we noticed you finished reading ‘such and such’ would you be interested in more books by that author ‘creepy or what’ ?

@evantgainus7743

3 жыл бұрын

Sorry. It’s called “the new normal “...

Excellent!

Let's hope the day when we can do the forensics on FB is soon!

We’re so screwed As far as privacy is concerned

The web needs a charter of digital rights

!♡♡♡ fantastic interview

So if they're collecting all this information why do we pay for phone services or the internet at all? It should be free.

@dethanatkinsonmedia

4 жыл бұрын

That s worth a bit more thought, hmmmm

She's using science to describe what everyone is already used to: Intuition. All of us know we are capable (in varying degrees of accuracy) of predicting other human interaction. Or reading our own instincts. If I can think it and not do it what would happen with those that could?

👍👍👍👍👍 very true

If a person tries to complain about products and services. Your information on email can be interrupted. I tried to complain to the FBI on the form they put on the internet. I was complaining about hackers, My completed form disappeared from my computer and could not go through.

She's so amazing 😭😭😭

Her book is phenomenal.👍🏻

She's so smart and i love her courage to reveal the dark secrets for humanity despite of the danger she can face for doing so!!

My father has been sick with prostate cancer and yet and haven't seen any ad on my social media or gmail inbox. Zero. And I constantly have at least 5-6 tabs related to the subject.

Trend Prediction software.... Knowing what you want 6 months before you think of it, is the End game for that one

@mitjellk2186

2 жыл бұрын

No. It's not. She makes that point very clearly in her book. The end game is these systems determining your behaviour rather than just predicting it. Without you ever knowing about it.

She is really important intellectual

The only way to take back the majority of the power is to go back to all analog. I have thought about it for myself. But it's really difficult to imagine myself without my smart phone. We are all addicted.

@biscuit9187

2 жыл бұрын

institutions like schools, unis, and more impose it now, and if you dont comply, there is no analog option. Its imposed.

If a company isn't selling you a product, it means >you< are the product.

go girl - keep on

Thanks

exactly!! Thank you for being brilliant and courageous ... most importantly for not being bought!

As soon as Boris Johnson became PM, he appointed Dominic Cummings to a very senior advisory position, and Conservative Central Office sent out hundreds of Facebook adverts. This is ominous, because Vote Leaves/Cummings/Cambridge Analtica/Facebook , played a significant role in the referendum outcome . The big question for Parliament to determine, is wether Boris is using government personal data, for party political purposes..... general election and the question of Brexit.

Now this is real reporting and issues which should be high on priority for the top page! It should be on top of all issues and agendas. Been saying this for years and watching time and time again, to my dismay, the lack of coverage on this, even in the New European itself! So relevant to brexit as the same manipulations may want us out of the EU as the EU has some good progress in holding accountable the tech giants and GDPR was partly based on Snowden's revelations concerning big data. Where has the New European covered the EU's data protection issue in regards to brexit, where has anyone in most media for that matter!

Ditch the texting and write a longhand letter once a week and see how quickly the sanctity of the private can restored; the medium is the message. And as for the bogus 'destiny is technology' why is that banks take as long to clear cash(not pay interest although charging it) as banks did say, 150 years ago?

whatever about surveillance 'capitalism' - how's about, surveillance 'blackmail'. Most of these surveillance and security companies, actually video, Personal Abdominal Emissions. water companies and local authorities are in (criminal) denial about this.

I've had over 30+ years of listening to stuff like this, but nobody ever actually steps up to change anything. We will still be listening to similar in 30 years time because we all know what's happening, but are not willing/not able to change a damn thing.

@allTheRobs

5 ай бұрын

Genuinely, what're you doing about it? Thinking the same thing myself... Using a Google acocunt, on KZread.

@EnglishInfidel

5 ай бұрын

@@allTheRobs I don't do much, not afraid to admit it, there's not much we can do, just ride the wave and try to ignore the constant, ever creeping oppression, I suppose 👌

@allTheRobs

5 ай бұрын

@@EnglishInfidel EU law is changing their practises. Even with KZread itself it's becoming a choice of pay, or deal with insufferable ads... Personally I'm going to de-Google my life. Will take years though. And she's right to say it's a political issue and can't really be solved by individual defenses like this.

over 100 points in the face ... so many muscles , imagine having the data from a million people .. or 50 , or 100 , or a billion ... yes the woman is correct Facebook sold 50 million data sets

@MrSatnavatron

4 жыл бұрын

@pammens miss thats 30 year old information.. That has been happening for decades already my dude

I love this women ....very smart

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Netflix's Don't Look Up shows us the result. How do we stop this?

I keep saying to my friends, google definitely knows me more than me. This just confirms it

If only this intelligent and understanding woman were President of the USA . . . .

I do not think we can fight this. Surveillance has become too enmeshed in our lives. I think most people realize that. We need to learn to live with it. We need self awareness, and learn how to resist the manipulation.

@FF-gu7jz

4 жыл бұрын

Laurent Drozin that is the problem...you are not a fighter! Get your a ss up...

@laurentdrozin812

4 жыл бұрын

@@FF-gu7jz I think you get it wrong, I am all about fighting. The fighting is with myself. These corporations have as much power as we give them, through our laziness and search for convenience. That is the fight we have in front of us. Otherwise, what do you suggest I do, once I get my behind up, as you put is so delicately?

@FF-gu7jz

4 жыл бұрын

Laurent Drozin got you! Sorry for being so rude. We need to influence the people around us! Build relationships to local politicians...it is hard work but I believe in building a network and sharing your perspective on this whole situation in your network and community.

@laurentdrozin812

4 жыл бұрын

@@FF-gu7jz that's all right, we all need to do what we can

@bitbandit1678

Жыл бұрын

We can fight it. I don't agree with your defeatism. When industries have in the past tried to profit from things like child labor, people said the same thing. But we did, and now child labor laws exist.

Finally Channel 4 does something useful. It's rare!

@rufanuf1

4 жыл бұрын

@HMQ HaHa, you almost had me there.

@rufanuf1

4 жыл бұрын

@HMQ HaHa you almost had me there!

@rufanuf1

4 жыл бұрын

@HMQ Why do you like it then? My guess is you have been conditioned by mass media.

@rufanuf1

4 жыл бұрын

@HMQ I don't like covert state sponsored media. Their coverage of politics is awful.

how do we force the law to change? just like how to do we force the USA to have healthcare that is public and non profit? same issue

How is it going with this? What steps have we taken to try to resolve this? Is this on any political agenda?

13:28 Host commits the fallacy of false dilemma (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma), it is not true that you can only have privacy with out any digital tech. You can protect your privacy while using digital tech by enforcing privacy laws.

Perhaps she made a mistake but i am pretty sure London is not the cradle of democracy.

@jayo3074

2 жыл бұрын

She meant Europe

I love this lady

What a mind

instead of hide just create your own content and stop being a passive consumer

@nolslifegren

3 жыл бұрын

We are all consumers

WTF how can it be that only 115 thousand or so views on this ?

Thank goodness I've stopped using Facebook years ago

@parchy2008

4 жыл бұрын

Me too, in 2010

@renzoqu

4 жыл бұрын

But you do realize that the problem is not the surveillance (at least no right now) but manipulation and brainwashing, no?

@Avengerie

4 жыл бұрын

And here you are, using KZread...

@parchy2008

4 жыл бұрын

@@renzoqu Yes of course I do, leaving Facebook was just one part of the steps I have taken to mitigate against this twisted intrusion. Like you pointed out the much bigger problem is the "manipulation and brainwashing". For anyone who wishes to wake up and understand this problem, you can't do any better than watching this incredible documentary by Adam Curtis: "The Century of the Self" kzread.info/dash/bejne/l35ntNyAn7SpZNY.html

@gavfitzpatrick

4 жыл бұрын

You might have stopped using it but they are still tracking you and your friends and family if you're using any digital device. Deactivating or deleting your fb account means nothing to them. once your in the system you're there for life

Magical surveillance dividends

Great discussion. These tech companies know how the human automatic, cultural, mind works and which buttons to press to get the Pavlovian response. Be aware that the roll out of 5G, the smart grid, internet of things, will accelerate all the issues of surveillance, data harvesting and control, along with profound health issues, as the levels of microwave EM fields rises exponentially....Humans will allow themselves to be merged with the AI machine in exchange for novelty, convenience and blissful ignorance....soma anyone?

@socialgoodness

4 жыл бұрын

Along comes another anonymous tin hat mix up that's not precisely true comment. One wonders if such comments come from google itself? Huxley says in his later book Island that soma is good in contrast to his previous soma in his book Brave New World, which is here misunderstood one sidedly, perhaps mixed up with the Birchite fear of a new world order thrown in!? To every piece of sensible accurate, the good along-the-lines-off-stuff, which points in the better direction, there comes these sorts of comments alongside, well on u toob. But besides this, there is a very real problem and its not what usually gets side angled off with (which can lead to conspiracy theorising along reich-wing enablement lines). With what Shoshana is saying and has discovered, there is a truth, which is bad enough as it is.

bump

Surprised youtube didn't block this

The concept of manufactured consent takes on a new and far more insidious manifestation.

This a nuanced topic and this professor uses a ton of business and political lingo to try and explain it and appear compelling. She doesn't really do a very good job in that regard (I work in tech and consider this on the daily). There are genuine concerns, but a lot of her comments are pure speculation and framed with bias. I'm concerned more about monopoly than I am surveillance. She keeps on talking about things happening backstage yet has zero evidence, nor has anyone who's left tech whistleblown on bad practices (and churn rates in tech are high!).

Can this guy stop interrupting her explaining a point ?! So annoying ...

@uriahbburnside4335

4 жыл бұрын

He's an excellent on the point interviewer.

Tell this man to stop interrupting. He chirps and chirps. Disrupting the flow of the conversation. Buddy, shut up. Just shut up and listen. There will be time for your pushy, inane inquiries.

They couldnt have chosen a worse interviewer.

Create your Unpredictable avatar..love

Google and Facebook were not the pioneers in surveillance capitalism. Anyone who lived during the ninties will easily tell you just look at your supermarket club card. I.e. Kroger club card.

Thank God I’m in the last quarter of my life. The future is frightening!

@everready2903

4 жыл бұрын

Some might say that before death.

@jamesmhango2619

4 жыл бұрын

There is nothing wrong here. the future is not very different from the past.

Permanent Record by Edward Snowden

surveillance capitalism has taken the biscuit .

0:49 The Surveillance Capitalists...

Tim Berners Lee is so upset by what he created, he is presently building another - fully encrypted - internet where you own your own data and can trade it consciously.

@jayo3074

2 жыл бұрын

Where did you get this lie from?

1984 on steroids. 🍺😎🤯

Dont use self service checkouts, carry cash, dont get the chip, complain about geoengineering , walk cycle .

Totally believable it's sounds very mossad with a cherry on top! .intelligents addicts.

World save calculation turned into Pandora's box by politics?

V is for Vendetta. Prophet.

A timely reminder of the vulnerability of liberal democracy.