The nebula class was a missed opportunity to refit the class for combat with the Borg. They could easily take more type 10 phaser banks and photon torpedo tubes as well as incorporate the ablative armor.

@user-nd5eq6yb9s

2 ай бұрын

Second warp engine in it and it has plenty of power for the borg

I always thought that the Nebula served as a Heavy Cruiser while the Galaxy class were more battleship in their role

@qubex

2 жыл бұрын

Galaxy Class is designated as fulfilling the Exploratory Cruiser role. It most definitely isn’t a battleship.

@soupxv213

2 жыл бұрын

@@qubex ah yes the federation tale as old as well the federation make a super cruiser that outclasses virtually every other ship of the line in the quadrant and then call it a exploratory vessel and send her into deep space to catalogue space microbes

@davfree9732

2 жыл бұрын

While the Federation doesn’t believe in armed conflict to resolve its conflicts, every ship it has is on some level capable of warfare. This is because Starfleet isn’t the military. It’s that and more. It’s every emergency service, transport service, courier… anything you can think of, Starfleet has to be able to do… because they are the last line of support to be called upon when necessary. And to when they arenLt being called upon, they chart stars. So while the Galaxy might be capable of being a battleship, until the Dominion war they earned their reputation as an exploratory cruiser.

@BigJwlz

2 жыл бұрын

@@qubex Yes and the Defiant isn't a warship, it's an "escort." Of course the Galaxy is a battleship. Starfleet is just being politically correct.

@absboodoo

2 жыл бұрын

@@BigJwlz Starfleet: We don't build warships, we build exploration ships. Those aren't phaser array, they are stun beam emitter and mine drilling laser. Those are not torpedo launchers, they are probe launchers.

I always thought a good upgrade package for the Nebula class during the height of the Dominion War, would be to add a pair phaser array 'blisters' on the ventral side of its warp nacelles similar what we see mounted on the nacelles of the Galaxy class U.S.S. Venture. This would give the class a significant upgraded in phaser firing arc coverage against highly maneuverable smaller starships.

@90lancaster

2 жыл бұрын

I was wondering if they'd be mounted on the top with slightly limited fire arcs or on the underside of the Nacelles with uninhibited arcs, but I do have to wonder if the Nebula is designed to be able to settle on a flat surface - so sort of land on a starbase with a flat surface it is likely to heavy to land on a planet well though. But on a starbase - I think it could do that.

The Miranda/Centaur/Nebula classes have always fascinated me, often more so than the 'Main' class (ie Constitution/Excelsior/Galaxy) and made Starfleet feel a lot more realistic as adapting hulls/airframes/chassis is good way for IRL military forces, and even civilian industries, to spread development costs and reduce logistical issues; ie the Galaxy and Nebular using the same parts so you only need one set of spare to supply two classes.

@venomgeekmedia9886

3 жыл бұрын

exactly and in some ways its cheaper. i very much see these as a parallel to STUGS and Jagdpanzers in that they were cheaper and if properly used, could be just as if not more effective than their parent designs...

@venomgeekmedia9886

3 жыл бұрын

@Charles Taylor in terms of 'time and material' even if people don't charge for it, those are still limiting factors.

@phoenixyo9987

2 жыл бұрын

I also really like the designs, I feel sometimes that the mainline ships are like spoons with sticks attached. Like the design is cool but the practicalness look of Mirandas/Nebulas and somewhat New Orleans always looked cooler to me. Im a big fan of wacky designs too!

Honestly I have always thought that the nebula would make a great base to convert to a hospital ship. Put on a medical module reduce the weapons a bit but leave some for self defense. Reduce the size of crew quarters and it would have tons of space to dedicate to medical use

I love the Nebula class if I was an officer up for a ship command I would ask for the next available Nebula. It's one of my two favorite starfleet ship platforms.

@thomas.parnell7365

11 ай бұрын

I'd take one too and hope for a nice exploration assignment. And on route I'd task my engineers with fitting the ship out with ablative armour and neglect to mention that fact to starfleet( no harm in giving ship ability to take a bloody nose if shields collapse)

The Nebula I see as a good tender ship for the Galaxy. As you could send a Nebula secondary hull just to recover the Galaxy saucer.

Pre-Dominion War, the Nebula is basically an armed ocean liner in space. Post-Dominion War, the Nebula is a Heavy Cruiser that holds it's own to all but the most powerful ships in the galaxy. In the 26th Century is will most likely be an armed ocean liner in space again. I would enjoy a month or 2 long space cruise vacation in one of these ships, visiting resort planets.

@jpasby779

3 жыл бұрын

lol. I would enjoy a trip on 1 of these too

@venomgeekmedia9886

3 жыл бұрын

definitely. between it and the galaxy they make for some pretty luxurious battleships. although maybe ones built during the dominion war are a little more austere...

@FedoReds88

3 жыл бұрын

I considering, if this semi-military ship have this level of luxury on board, think what a proper civilian liner have

@Acrosurge

2 жыл бұрын

I'm still confused as to how an "ocean liner" can easily dispatch a military vessel like the Cardassian Galor class.

@TheRezro

2 жыл бұрын

@@venomgeekmedia9886 The original design of Nebula, was later reused by Star Trek Online as Melbourne class. A later, slightly larger version of the Nebula, used in the 25'th century.

Chief O'Brien got a Nebula class Starship up 2 warp 9.6 on DS9

It was one of my all time favorite ships and would’ve been my choice as captain! Love these videos!

@venomgeekmedia9886

3 жыл бұрын

definitely one of the cushier assignments ;)

@babbyfacerevocation2740

3 жыл бұрын

All the Star trek ships are the most elegant and majestic of all the sci-fi's starships. With the exception of the millennium falcon.

@cnewtonc

3 жыл бұрын

Yup,. That ship would be my choice also.

The Galaxies got all the glory while the Nebs did all the dirty work!

I always felt that they built the GCS and then said "this ship is a bit too floppy and a bit too stretched out" and so build the nebula class as a more compact (though roughly similar mass) to have a ship that just tanked better. The GCS was a glass cannon early on, with so much of it being an easy to reach target. Where as the Nebula class being more more compressed made hitting vital targets much harder along tighter frame.

I love the Nebula, it does make me laugh how the designers forgot the impulse engines though 😬

@poseidon5003

2 жыл бұрын

LOL.. Just like the Romulan Warbird.

I do like the Nebulas, but they ain't no Akira.

This was always my favourite ship in the next generation days. I always thought they should of made a show with this being the main ship design. They need to make a new one with an updated design and make a show out of it. This is a good war ship.

It's a pretty good design. Yes it's a remade Miranda class ship. The Miranda's are pretty decent though eventually outdated. Still both designs look good and get the job done.

@brianjohnson5272

3 жыл бұрын

I agree it's the TNG and onwards Miranda class. As I recall pre watching vid the Nebula also could be fitted with varying kits. I always wondered if the nebula output the power at launch as a galaxy. I see also with its more compact design it may move at warp using less power than the galaxy class. It'll be more maneuverable and harder to hit critical systems. Notable ships to my memory are the Phoenix and the Sutherland.

@hansebee

3 жыл бұрын

I would say so. In my head canon there is a reason you see hundreds of Mirandas but no Constitution Refits in TNG and DS9. The Miranda class must have been far more versatile, in addition to having measurably more internal volume than the Consties.

@brianjohnson5272

3 жыл бұрын

@@hansebee bud, the Constitution class was a refit from the constellation class.(18 month refit). Second I've played Starfleet command 1,2& pirates for PC so my head canon has variants from shield refit to complete rebuilds into a Constitution photon torpedo boat. The constitution class was an explorer the Miranda branched into a very versatile patrol vessel. The nebula took the best of both and came out well yet not as strong as a pure exploration nor a patrol ship. Look up Fasa buddy so many ships, so many classic variants your brain will leak out halfway through them.

@nunya3163

3 жыл бұрын

@@hansebee I believe that the Miranda had more firepower, once you factored in the modules, and was a true combat vessel, while the Constitution was more of an explorer.

The nebula class was always one of my favorites. My head cannon always had them as the later primary hull design the whole time. Class wise seems like the role of a Battle Cruiser in ww1, the firepower of a battleship but the cost and armor of a cruiser. Slower than a galaxy in warp but quicker at impulse due to all the mass being closer to center. Less room for additional fusion reactors so its more reliant on the warp core for power

@venomgeekmedia9886

3 жыл бұрын

true although the galaxy has 3 impulse units i don't know how many the nebula has.

@sagesheahan6732

3 жыл бұрын

@@venomgeekmedia9886 it has two before they add the superstructure to the secondary hull's dorsal aft. Than they add a third. So 2 on earlier models and AWACs, and 3 with any having the pod superstructure.

@sagesheahan6732

3 жыл бұрын

I personally think they would just call this thing a Cruiser, and depending on its mission profile for what it's loaded out for, than add a descriptive tag. Example: when given the weapons pod, it would then be designated a battle cruiser. Give it a shuttlebay pod? Carrier-Cruiser. Sensor pod? Science Cruiser. From another standpoint from Starfleet admiralty, this design is actually rather genius. it takes the adage of when facing a star fleet vessel you never know what you're really facing because the captain and crew of the starship could be from any worlds, so they're tactics change up. Now here you have a starship doing the same damn thing. Changing up tactics. 😁

ONce I saw the Nebula class, I preferred that over the Galaxy class, for its more compact design over the Galaxy, and also the Weapons/Hybrid Weapons-Sensor/Sensor pod on the dorsal side of the ship. A Nebula with all of the same phaser power of the galaxy but with a good amount greater torpedos, and then with greater shield power from its less space to have to defend against from incoming disrupters, then greater agility than the Galaxy, it's an amazing bruiser of a vessel to stand on its own in battles. My only 2 improvements would be a second warp core and then a Phaser Lance on the ventral side (alt. universe future TNG Enterprise in final episode), to really make it formidable/deadly in battle. A cloaking device would improve it further if allowed, or Defiant & Voyager type advanced ablative armor to further increase its ability to fight in a pitched battle against many foes.

You talk about ships the exact same way as David Fletcher talks about tanks, and I think its glorious.

I saw a Spacedock video on the Nebula Class where it said the Nebula Class was apparently in service when the Galaxy Class was being designed as it said the Nebula Class was the first to use the Galaxy Style saucer section along with the design of the secondary hull,the main navigational deflector and the warp nacelles so from what I heard in that video the Nebula class was designed and built sometime between the 2350's and the 2360's and it was said that the Nebula class did not have that weapons module in the early years of it's service until later ships of the class came into service.

@DrewLSsix

Жыл бұрын

Iirc the Pegasus was supposed to be a Nebula class but they didn't have the time or budget to build the model. So it was an Oberth class. Making the statement about the ship being used to develop Galaxy class technology seem a bit dubious. It being a Nebula makes a lot more sense.

I heard long ago part of the nebula classes purpose was to pick up galaxy saucers after the loss of a star drive section.

@venomgeekmedia9886

3 жыл бұрын

interesting idea and that does raise a point. wtf is the saucer mean't to do its basically stuck at impulse?

@sixwingproductions

3 жыл бұрын

@@venomgeekmedia9886 i think a nebula stardrive section may have been cheaper to produce than a galaxy so at the time i do see starfleet having a small amount of nebula stardrives with no saucers sitting in reserve to go pick them up. then they probably would just re register the ship as a nebula.

Nebula-Class is more of a Pocket Battleship. Smaller than a Galaxy-Class. Though lacking a lot of the armor to make it into a Battleship. Yet packs more firepower than any Heavy Cruiser. In the real world: The Deutschland-Class Cruiser was classed as Pocket Battleships. Due to these standards. Larger Guns to be classed as a Heavy Cruiser. Yet lacked the armor to be classed as a Battleship. Three ships were built for the Deutschland-Class: Deutschland, Admiral Scheer, and Admiral Graf Spee.

@caktitaqiwicaksana6018

3 жыл бұрын

The British media though was the one who classified the Deutschland class "Panzerschiff" (German for "Armoured Ships") as "pocket Battleships" for propaganda use, capital ships meant to not fight amongst one another but kill smaller ships are Battlecruisers or the appropriately named "Cruiser Killer" or "Super Cruisers"

@valenrn8657

3 жыл бұрын

Some Nebula-Class uses Galaxy-class parts e.g. USS Bonchune (NCC-70915). Nebula-Class removes the neck section weakness while gaining mission-specific pod features.

@colinwhite5485

3 жыл бұрын

Galaxy is best defined as an exploration cruiser. No combat design just the strongest shields and phasers tacked on. Ambassador class, Excelsior class, and constitution class were considered heavy cruisers. But they were designed with an eye on combat. The galaxy is like a weird wobble before going back to ships with an eye on balancing all aspect (e.g. sovereign class).

Reading that old TNG tech manual filled my head with ideas and explanations to make sense of all those kitbash ships, including the nebula. If i may hijack this video's comments to detail them... The galaxy class development program took about 20 years to produce the first 3 ships, and its because they set certain, very high, thought unreachable, design goals for it. They had to develop and advance the technology to reach those performance goals, and along the way, various components of the ship were design locked, and derivative ship classes were developed utilizing them, or scaled down versions of those components. These ships used off the shelf technology for their time, and that dictated their sometimes unusual look. the Niagara class was likely one of the earliest example from around 2346, an attempt to create an uprated ambassador class that had the warp performance similar to the goals set out for the far off galaxy class, accomplished with then current technology and 3 instead of 2 nacelles. Single nacelle freedom class frigates, and 2 nacelle Challenger class destroyers soon followed, all sporting the new sleek and organic design language and full sized galaxy class nacelles. In the early 2350s light and heavy cruisers like the Cheyenne, Springfield, and New Orleans would launch, with smaller, more proportional, but still derivative nacelle designs, and hull design language. by 2355, it was clear the galaxy would need to bake in the oven for as long as another decade to reach all the development goals, especially those regarding warp drive performance, the galaxy class was more than twice as heavy as anything starfleet had ever tried to propel faster than light. The federation was actually under a lot of pressure from hostile neighbors during this time, and the decision was made to essentially launch a line of full sized galaxy class development project ships immediately, with then off the shelf technology. To accomplish this, they had to crush the design into as small and compact a ball as possible for a ship that heavy to fit within a warp field it was possible at the time to generate, but all the effort payed off, and starfleet has on its hands a big gun battleship utterly unmatchable by those that troubled it. A handful of these huge ships, each leading small battle groups composed entirely of other galaxy project derivative ships, achieved several decisive victories against the federations foes at the time. Talarian, Cardasian, Tzenkethi, and Tholian quickly ended all declared wars, boarder disputes and general hostilities these powers waged against the federations, with an end to that hostility lasted at least a decade for each. The nebula class would continue to be produced until about 2365, when the galaxy class had a few proven years under its belt, and began its own mass production, making it unnecessary to continue producing nebula class. With the technology that allowed the galaxy class to be possible now perfected and optimized, it was now the nebula class that had the sub optimal design, but had served its purpose very well during its time. The existing nebulas would benefit from all future upgrades and improvements intended for the galaxy class though, and at least in combat were interchangeable as heavy battleships. Most remained configured as battleships, that was the only job a Nebula could do as well as a galaxy class. Most class specific development at this point went into creating different sensor platforms for long range surveillance and tactical reconnaissance. While the first generation of galaxy class were configured to be flying embassies of the federations ideals, filled with civilian scientists, crew families, gilded flagships of a peaceful and prosperous time in the federation. In this configuration, a galaxy class's combat potential was severely limited, leading to several unexcusable losses. It wasn't until the start of the dominion war that galaxy class ships were built or reconfigured into battleship spec, similar to the nebula class.

@venomgeekmedia9886

3 жыл бұрын

so yeah the new Orleans precedes the Galaxy class basically serving as a mini-testbed. followed by the other 3 operating with the fully sized components. personally i view the Springfield and Cheyeanne as a separate lineage. although i don't know if it makes sense to end the production of the nebula once the galaxy was working, certainly i think they changed their minds when the dominion war began...

@dontdrunkimshoot8220

3 жыл бұрын

@@venomgeekmedia9886 Cheyenne and Springfield have their own variant of nacelle, what i imagine is essentially a galaxy class nacelle cut in half, mechanically. Same for the New Orleans, but they were able to down size but keep the galaxy aesthetic intact, proboly because they were originally developed for the earliest nebula variants with the mini nacelles in the back. The New Orleans is likely the last of the down sized galaxy derivative project, developed at least partaly along side the nebula and probably to be a direct excelsior replacement. Once all the conflicts of the 2350s was warped up though, the modern excelsior was still plenty good for a peace time mission profile, so demand for a then modern replacement was drastically lessened, causing a low production rate for the ship. This is likely the story for all those other down sized galaxy derivative classes too, a period of peace roles around and the demand for new, more powerful ships disappears. This kind of complacency is finally broken by the borg invasion, leading to yet another round of small to medium sized hyper modern ship classes being developed, and this time, fully mass produced, just in time for the dominion war. With how i figure the nebula class came to be, its just a question of opportunity cost. Why build a nebula when you could build a galaxy instead? in my theory, the nebula configuration is just a galaxy when they couldn't make the shape of the galaxy work with off the shelf technology. Once they could make it work, the galaxy is just a better ship, and the nebula is a brick that might have something like terrible subspace drag and fuel efficiency.

I love watching Ship Chat in the morning. Tho I'm going to take a shot every time you say 'er'. Lol.

@venomgeekmedia9886

3 жыл бұрын

i hope you've not got anything lined up for later then...

It never dawned on me till now. The nebula and miranda classes nacelles are very close to the primary hull, I wonder what they do about the radiation?

From the looks of it the superstructure that holds either the weapons pod or the A.W.A.C.S sensor pod or a third warp nacelle on the Nebula Class looks just like what we saw on the Galaxy Class Dreadnaught U.S.S. Enterprise NCC-1701-D in the Season 7 episode 'All Good Things' and when they commissioned the Galaxy Dreadnaught Class I wouldn't be surprised if that is exactly what they did using that superstructure of the Nebula Class in it's design.

One of my favorite Federation star ships.

Also, I absolutely love the Nebula Class ship, especially the Dominion War Variant. Nebula on steroids. In my opinion, I think its a superior ship to the Galaxy. Small, more compounds, shields would be stronger since its bubble would be smaller. Same firepower if not more. Love it.

@SuperGamefreak18

3 жыл бұрын

The galaxy is a all rounded though very underpowered ship that they didn't know was underpowered until the Borg and everything after them told them that. Galaxy fully armed is a monster. Nebula was atleast better designed in hindsight which is why I believe some lore kept nebulas on the battlefield while galaxy classes became colonial ships no ship can handle a galaxy class without plot convince or being a major military ship of an organization

@valenrn8657

3 жыл бұрын

Galaxy-class can extend its warp core height with the Galaxy X variant. Galaxy X could have additional large energy weapon backend equipment inside the neck section. Nebula class is good for its size which maximizes its given technology without expanding into Galaxy-X's extra material cost.

@gabemonge3695

3 жыл бұрын

@@SuperGamefreak18 Yeah i hated when it got wiped out by the Birrd Of Prey. Boy that pissed off a lot of people. Bop.... its so stupid.

@venomgeekmedia9886

3 жыл бұрын

with nebula vs galaxy i think it really is close and more depends on crew skills.

Theory on the 'AWACS' version: that is was mlre than just a long range sensor platform, but also a SIGINT and ELINT ship. The sensors could go x amount of distance into another's territory and you'd be able to decipher enemy signals and transmissions, possibly even plant fake orders, etc to keep a warring power off balance. Thoughts?

@HarperStl

3 жыл бұрын

Would explain how Maxwell picked up on Cardassian shenanigans so easily

@jkeelsnc

2 жыл бұрын

Quite correct. With an upgraded sensor pod mounted on a Nebula for such a mission it would be excellent for surveillance and intelligence missions. Quite possibly the best in the fleet for such a mission in that configuration.

Galaxy and Nebulas are Explorers, hull design was not designed for tactics but for maximizing internal volume, comfort and creating solid warp bubbles. They are not warships and their big profiles are not good for skirmishes. Energy output though... excellent.

@paulrasmussen8953

3 жыл бұрын

But not slouches

@jonsouth1545

3 жыл бұрын

@Charles Taylor all of which are the classic cruiser role although with different emphasis but then again we used to have 1-3rd rate Armoured Cruisers and Protected cruisers then we had light and heavy cruisers thier naval roles were not that tat different they just had a different balance of attributes. The light cruiser was just as big as the heavy cruiser it just emphasized rate of fire over weight of fire.

I always thought the Nebula was meant to be more of a Science vessel.

I always saw the Nebula as the workhorse to replace or supplement both the Excelsiors and Mirandas (probably overworked by now) and to fill in the ‘Ambassador’ gap, even the Constellation. It doesn’t feel light at all, it’s just ThE cruiser. And it seems to have really worked. It’s huge, powerful, has a modular attachment. I’m actually surprised we saw so little of it in the Dominion War..... The Centaur and then Akira felt more like Miranda replacements. The Galaxy was the huge showboat. But the Nebula, for the 50s? And 60s was the workhorse. Though I wished there was a ‘proper’ tng era Miranda design. One hull, box back, two nacelles, modern livery. Same for the sovereign. Alas....

@venomgeekmedia9886

3 жыл бұрын

i agree with you on lack of a true TNG miranda although frankly i don't know if it would have worked with the chunky tng aesthetic...

@Gorandius1256

3 жыл бұрын

@@venomgeekmedia9886 I would say we finally got the True TNG Era Miranda with the Parliament Class is Lower Decks

My two cents and headcanon before I watch the video: Given its larger numbers, I always assumed while the nebula/galaxy were designed if not jointly, then at the same time with the same systems, with the nebula class going into production first to iron out nost of the bugs of the systems, and because a multirole ship was more useful for a wide varriety of tasks, especially with the detachable mission pods seen on screen, something criminally under used. When launched, it may have been called a light cruiser, but it was one of the heaviest ships of its time, intended to be the light cruiser to the galaxy class in a new generation of ships composed of the various galaxy kitbashes seen onscreen briefly. We see three versions on screen: AWACS- the USS Phoenix with the sensor dome, the science and sensors version Command/Intercept/recovery- The version with two tiny warp nacelles as the pod. (IIRC it was an admrials command ship at wolf 359), tasked with being fast and able to intercept ships, and the additional warp pod able to be used to assist in warp towing of disabled ships. Tactical/modular- the standard triangular pod, a modular module that could be configured for a mission, or just contain more weapons. In essence, it could be filled with torpedo tubes and rain torpedoes, although would usually have mission moduled in most of the slots. Where the Nebula hulls were designed to be modular and do a whide varriety of missions, the Galaxy was intended to be the heavy cruiser to the Nebula, and the ship used for more long range/duration exploratory missions, but they were never built in the numbers to really do all of this as competing designes and changing times relegated them to fixed roles, albiet the Nebulas ability to swap parts quickly meant it could have damaged pods replaced very quickly.

Wow the federation really knows how to make one hell of a ship

Dominion war era Nebulas were absolute BEASTS in battle.

@niceguy60

3 жыл бұрын

Dude the Farragut and Honshu both got bodied.

@alanfisher3848

3 жыл бұрын

@@niceguy60 Yes but in the case of the Honshu, it was picked off by a wing of Cardassian destroyers. I don't know about the Farragut but as a fan of the Nebula, I'd like to think ti wasn't easy.

@mephistoxarses8585

3 жыл бұрын

@@niceguy60 lol. I was about to say....."The Honshu got rekt. Didnt even see the Cardassian destroyers"

@niceguy60

3 жыл бұрын

@@mephistoxarses8585 The Honshu got Hiroshima

@poseidon5003

2 жыл бұрын

@@alanfisher3848 They got raped. Cardassian beam weapons are BAD ASS and they're the best in the quadrant. The ships themselves aren't so hot but that forward beam is CRAZY powerful. A group of three could wreck even a Galaxy class.

If you want to go with naval terminology i guess the Galaxy class better fits the battlecruiser role while the Nebula (after receiving it's combat upgrades) is an actual battleship. Remember that the HMS Hood (a battlecruiser) was actually a good bit larger than most battleships of its time.

Good video. One of my favorite classes of Starship.

Functionally, I’d take a Nebula over a Galaxy any day. Aesthetically, though? Galaxy all the way. There was a comment about athletes and saying the Nebula wasn’t but could hold its own. I beg to differ. A Galaxy Class would be like a running back or quarterback in American football, fast strong, nimble (relatively speaking) and a Nebula would be a lineman; maybe not quite as fast, but able to dish out and take much more punishment. Or heavyweight vs super heavyweight in boxing.

A nebula starship looks like a mini Galaxy Class Starship.

Nebula class reminds me of a boxer can take a pounding but give one also the Galaxy class long range runner it ran to fight but when boxer took over move off to support the fight.

The idea of this vessel is a good. The idea of an EWAC during wartime is very useful for fleet corridenation. That said i would argue it as a very heavy Battle cruiser. Where the Galaxy was the Battleship.

I like the quad nacelle variant of the Nebula class.

+5:40 It does seem like a logical mode to make to the ship is to flip the centre line of the saucer back to front. so you have a forward facing shuttle bay. But I've seen some specs where they shuttle bay in the saucer is removed entirely and all the shuttle are in the rear pylon instead stacked across several decks - so like a small skyscraper of shuttles. I guess another alternative change would be to put the shuttle bay underneath and forward face - that might work too. But the Deflector might get in the way a bit with the shuttle launching. But it's not a lot different from the Sovereign, Intrepid or Nova class when launching their auxiliary vehicle I guess. I guess another idea might be to leave the shuttle bay where it is but have a port and starboard exit door one each side instead - that might even be logistically a great idea for carrying peregrines or combat runabouts.

Now Ben Maxwell there is a captain that knows how to fight

I really like this ship. I imagine if it had been modified with the armor technology the Defiant had plus a cloaking device it would have been much more frightening to the Dominion.

@Acrosurge

2 жыл бұрын

I don't think the Dominion was put off by the Alpha Quadrant's cloaking technology. They seemed to be able to counter it pretty easily, actually. Now, Starfleet upgrading their shield technology to prevent Dominion weapons from passing through them and adapting the fleet to neutralize the Breen energy dampening weapons? I think that was pretty scary for the Dominion.

@RickySpanish12344

2 жыл бұрын

@@Acrosurge Well of course the shield modifications were the biggest threat to them. They essentially were fighting ships with no ability to defend themselves. Still the cloaking technology was a big deal. The Klingon's and Romulans did massive damage to them by launching attacks they didn't see coming. If the Federation had a fleet of warships with cloaks, the Dominion wouldn't have been able to stop them.

I didn't use to like this class when I first seen it as a kid back when TNG was new. Now I love it. After learning more about I really like.

I like that the nebula is wider than it is long. It's not really smaller than a galaxy, just differently configured.

I have said it one's and l will say it again put me on a nebula class star ship and I will show you how to fight.

I love your content. Keep up the awesome job.

It's the Hurricane to the Galaxy's Spitfire

@venomgeekmedia9886

3 жыл бұрын

(Brittania INTENSIFIES!)

@TheCsel

3 жыл бұрын

Its similar to how the Royal Navy would order a battlecruiser class along with a Battleship class. Scaled down, and less armored, but with comparable armament.

Great content, classy ship. Thanks!

The Nebula class is most definitely 1 of my favourite Federation Starships a really great looking design a Starship I would love 2 command

I wish they would show ,some of the upgrades of later built ones . That might have had smaller newer. Warp cores like in each section. Plus a small core like Defiants to power a cannon . Like the galaxy upgrade

I always thought the Nebula-class was either a rebirth or reincarnation of the Miranda-class given the design

That's the thing, though - by tonnage and capability, a Galaxy is more like a Pocket Battleship/Light Battleship/Battlecruiser of some stripe. More Pocket Battleship (Panzerschiffe) than anything - grossly inflated and under-capable warfighting ability for its tonnage, a match or superior to enemy Light and Heavy Cruisers, but not able to stand up to true enemy Battlecruisers or Battleships without serious consideration and more than "sword-and-board" type tactics. That makes the Nebula Class one Type inferior to it - a Heavy Cruiser or similar. It could be called a "Cruiser Killer" (a sub-type of the Battleship lineage specifically designed to kill enemy Heavy, Armored, and Light Cruisers without much effort) when it's in its "tactical configuration," it could be called a "Command Ship" when it's in its sensor-heavy/AWACS configuration. If there's a module for loads more shuttle craft, then it could become an "Aircraft Carrying Cruiser" (see the Russian Navy for ships of that type) or some stripe of Assault Landing Ship. The Nebula is adaptable. The Galaxy is not - not easily, anyhow. The Nebula wastes as little tonnage as possible on bullshit. The Galaxy is meant to impress with its grandiose design and robust stock capabilities. The Nebula is more a warship. The Galaxy is an Explorer with Warship capability as a secondary function. The Nebula can be configured to do a Galaxy's job easily. The Galaxy needs a minor refit to do the Nebula's job.

@venomgeekmedia9886

3 жыл бұрын

i'd be more tempted to say that the nebula can be more readily adapted as a warship rather than being a warship off the bat. and it's modularity does make it an indispensable workhorse.

@calanon534

3 жыл бұрын

@@venomgeekmedia9886 That's exactly what I was getting at - the Nebulas are the "warship" counterpart to the Galaxy's "ambassadorial" and exploration role. They were likely intended from the start to be so - the modularity helping greatly in that regard. A lot of people draw comparisons between Connies and Mirandas, and Galaxies and Nebulas, when the only real things they have in common is that the Nebulas use Galaxy components just as the Mirandas use Connie components. Mirandas had the same stock weapons suite as the Constitutions, but were only classed as Light Cruisers of the day because they lacked the endurance and expanded facilities of a Constitution. In reality, a Miranda could have legit squared off against any adversary of the day and done as well or better than a Connie, if their smaller size and possibly better sub-light maneuverability actually does play in their favor. If you look at the various expanded universe stuff, then the Connies also survived to "present day" (2380's/later) in the form of the Exeter Class. We just didn't see them on screen for various reasons. The main reason I call the Galaxy class a "Pocket Battleship" (Panzershiffe) is because, like a Pocket Battleship, it's too large for what it is, and brings nothing to the table that a suitably refined Heavy Cruiser doesn't, other than larger size and expanded facilities. In terms of sea-based warfare, this is generally a bad thing, as a Pocket Battleship will consume more fuel than a more efficient Heavy Cruiser, be more expensive, and tactically do nothing more than "look cooler." Yes, it might have a bigger gun, but it will have less of them than a Heavy Cruiser (up to 10 8-inch guns in World War II), fire slower, be slower to maneuver, require more resources to protect its vitals, and generally do nothing better overall. Comparing and contrasting Nebulas to Galaxies, and I can't see a stock Nebula with no "special attchment" be any less capable than a stock Galaxy in any other way than possibly endurance and a few fewer specialized scientific laboratories. Endurance is the big thing, though - the ENT-D was more or less expected to go 2-3 years without any major support or replenishment. A Nebula might need to take on fuel once a year or sooner, if operating at the same power output as a Galaxy. It might also have less cargo storage capability, less overall "extra room" to deal with planetary emergencies (evacuation, for one thing, or assisting with colonization efforts), and so on. But, such discrepancies are minor enough that I can see - as I said - the Nebula being able to do the Galaxy's job with little trouble. However, as I said, I don't see Galaxies being able to do a Nebula's warship/deterrence patrol job as well as a Nebula without some changes - we know that Galaxies during the Dominion War got an upgrade of some kind. I imagine that would spell the difference right there - get rid of the families and other civilians, add more Torpedo carry capacity, increase the phaser banks' power capacitors to make them more powerful (at the expense of some of those fancy labs), fire faster, and recharge faster... and now the Galaxy is a Battlecruiser or so - that is, a ship with Battleship weapons and Cruiser protection. Though, I imagine, tougher shields might be in the offing as well with any upgrade, which could edge them into Battleship territory (much the same way the Iowa-class is a Battleship, but so was the Yamato and Musashi). Not that the writers of DS9 remembered they existed. Ever. By the way, I LOVE the way you pronounce Romulan things.. seriously, I love your narrations. Keep being awesome.

If you think about it, even the Miranda had more fire power than it's counterpart in the Constitution, once you factored in the modules.

My two favourite classes are the nebular and the steamrunner

The Nebula is basically a Galaxy, taken apart and put back together. It's my favorite Trek ship.

I love the Nebula Class!

🖖😎👍Very cool and very nicely well done and very well informatively explained and executed in every way shape and form and in every detail possibly provided indeed, And I myself have always liked the Nebula class starship's over the Galaxy class, and I myself own all the different Eaglemoss variations of the Nebula class as well as still owning the Micro machines ones 👌.

The most "portable " Galaxy class ship. If I am not mistaken, the least class of ships destroyed too.....if the story is correct....the one of the ONLY ships that survived Wolf359 Borg battle, Captain Asimov's (?) ship. Fast, powerful, still a large ship...with Galaxy class parts....oh yeah, it ruled!

Awesome video such a good looking ship my favorite design is the early tng wolf359 variant. Could possibly be light cruiser if the galaxy was a heavy cruiser but they both seem like battleships anyway keep up the good work

The funny thing about the naming convention is how galaxies used to be confused with nebulae. But galaxies are much much bigger.

Galaxy: Capital ship Nebula: Heavy Cruiser Defiant: Destroyer Miranda: Light cruiser Oberth: Space Debris

@venomgeekmedia9886

3 жыл бұрын

Galaxy is basically a battleship. and i'd say miranda is a destroyer... just not a good one.

@imperiumcommentingnetwork4677

3 жыл бұрын

@@venomgeekmedia9886 I dunno about the Miranda still being a destroyer by the dominion war. I took one up against a Borg cube in the STO game and died like a Klingon should...

I always liked the Nebular. I feel it have stronger shields because it is more compact and the shields doesn't need to be extended ad much. That and more firepower it is a formidable ship.

Actually, it's ST: TNG's _Heavy Frigate_ a la the _Miranda-_ class.

I like how you reconcile ship changes with universe physics. Polava! I learned a new word...ooo the etymology of that puts you from North England.

@venomgeekmedia9886

2 жыл бұрын

It's a pretty common phrase across England. I'm certainly no northerner.

One of my favorite ships of TNG

It's a little like ww1 dreadnauts light/fast and heavy thinking of jutland grand fleet vs German high seas fleet

@venomgeekmedia9886

3 жыл бұрын

definitely i like that comparison.

@shanenolan8252

3 жыл бұрын

@Charles Taylor perhaps I have seen several arguments about the battle and its results. Depending on whom you ask , it is a fact that the British suffered more casualties and lost more ships , two more that Germany if memory serves. I saw a naval historian ( British) explain that the British won as the goal was to stop the high seas fleet from engaging the allies and the battle convinced the German leaders and sailors not to put to see again. Of course I have seen other documentaries trying to explain the surprising and swift British losses. Human error poor ammunition safety and storage arrogance and very well trained German crews . But my original comment was just comparing galaxy and nebula design with dreadnaut design , looking similar with similar parts but different purpose galaxy is faster more manuvrable but a complimentary design best used together , like constitution and miranda probably were. But I'd agree jutland is open to debate or interpretation Charles

Love the ship design but I still hate the mission specific top pod on every ship no matter which one it is. It fits a good middle ground in ships being able to pull its weight in combat and can expand the frontier easily.

@venomgeekmedia9886

3 жыл бұрын

i presume you saw Junkball's video where he points out the observation lounge is looking at the torpedo launcher...

@ISAF_Ace

3 жыл бұрын

its doing what now? that's another reason to dislike mission specific pods

My only question is this how did the shuttles get into the shuttle bay 😕 if I was in Starfleet I would want to serve on the Galaxy class or the Nebula class, they may not have been the most high tech but they were the most comfortable 👌

I think you say this near the 9 minute mark, but I think that similar to a Defiant class a Nebula would be slightly better in battle than a Galaxy because it’s smaller size makes it harder to hit (assuming Nebula and Galaxy weapon systems are the same).

How about the Arbiter Battlecruiser as an extension of Excelsior? I don't know how much info there is on the STO ship, but just look at it! It is a solid ship for its size. It is my personal favorite on STO. I don't know who designed it, but they deserve some recognition for making sense.

I think of each starship class "spaceframe" as a skeleton, on which you can put whatever muscles you need to. Some spaceframes are more flexible than others, for example the Nova Class can be set up as the new Oberth survey vessel, or you can pimp it out into a nice little destroyer, but it will never be very big so you can only do so much. The Nebula Class in my opinion is just about the most flexible of all spaceframes, allowing each individual ship to be customized to a great degree. So I see Galaxy Class ships as being the greatest generalists, each one good at everything, but the Nebula Class being the absolute best at whatever specific thing it's outfitted for at the time. As for the "mini-nacelle" thing, I see that as a way to do a saucer separation so that the saucer can do low warp speeds on its own, a good configuration for deep space exploration. Should the stardrive section have to be abandoned or destroyed, the saucer can start limping back home. Also splitting up to explore twice as much becomes feasible. My biggest beef with the various versions of the Nebula is that shuttlebay placement makes no sense at all. Perhaps if the main shuttlebay on the saucer faced forward like it does on several other classes of starship, then it would be fine but otherwise it's terrible launching a shuttle right into a pylon.

@venomgeekmedia9886

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah that's part of the problems when you kitbash.

I always thought the Nebula class looked more badass than the Galaxy. I always thought the case could be made that if the Galaxy class was a battlecruiser the Nebula would be a battleship. It has fewer windows implying more focus on armor, the secondary hull is tucked up in between the engines allowing more protection for the engineering systems and the ship as a whole can be contained in a more compact shield bubble. It looks meaner and tougher. I get serious battlewagon vibes from it.

I ran some displacement tests with scale models of the Constitution refit and Miranda classes. They have virtually the same displacement (Miranda wins by a small margin in fact). They are all era cruisers. I would even say the Miranda is a heavy cruiser while the Constitution is a standard cruiser if we want to tag the light/medium/heavy term to weapons loadout instead of size. I suspect similar displacement variance between the Galaxy and Nebula making them both cruisers too, the Galaxy isn't heavily armed per se, but with the right pod, the Nebula can outgun a Galaxy.

Many people call the first variant of the Nebula, the "slack-jaw" version.

The Nebula is more of a Large Cruiser, a very rare and unique class during WWII. Essentially, Large Cruisers were designed to be cruiser killers and commerce raiders. They carried near battleship armament of 11 or 12 inch guns when a heavy cruiser carried 8 inch guns. Large Cruisers had armor think enough to shrug off anything a cruiser could throw at them, yet fast enough to outrun a battleship or battlecruiser that carry much heavier guns and armor. The Nebula is nearly as well armed, shielded and powered as a Galaxy Class, but not designed to take on battleships alone (two would make short work of a battleship). A Nebula is quite a bit superior to any conventional medium or even heavy cruiser.

They missed the opportunity to make that ship a dedicated torpedo boat. They could have put three torp launchers on the main ship. Two fore one aft. Then 12 on the pod. Six fore six aft. Have them separated so there would be four banks of torp launchers in sets of three.also put a phaser strip on the back of the strut and on top of the pod so that way it could have full coverage. The galaxy was sort of a glass cannon. We never saw it put through it's true paces till the finally of Picard TV show. We finally found out that the enterprise could actually fly like the millennium falcon using the right pilot other than the lumbering hulk we always see on older shows.

This thing is a light cruiser in the same way HMS Courageous and Glorious were, prior to carrier conversion!

Miranda and Nebula are actually heavier than their parent classes. They are just more space efficient designs, and modular on top of it.

Any chance you’d consider putting the audio from your vids in podcast form?

It's weird that deflector dishes seem to be the biggest luxury in starship design. One would think warp nacelles would be the expensive component. The saucer plus warp nacelles is the simplest design - TOS Romulan warbirds and Miranda's obey the same physics clearly.

Federation exploration, medical, supply, science, and other ships, all have powerful weapons. Hostiles will get explored to death if they attack. 😂

the Nebula class is my favorite ship, she is a compact battleship.

A Nebula was fast enough to pursue the prototype Prometheus when the Romulans stole the latter. I always felt that the Nebula-class was underrated, especially since the expansion module was easily the size of the saucer section on many small starships and should have been able to hold a lot of torpedoes, more phasers and even additional impulse reactors to supplement the ship's overall available power for things like shields.

@jkeelsnc

2 жыл бұрын

Quite correct and of course the idea that there is a specific weapons pod for certain missions is canon. The sutherland fired its torpedoes from the pod. We also know that there are different modular pods that can be mounted for different purposes.

I do like this class of ship.

Thanks great subject

The Nebula took on several Cardasian ships without shields and kicked their ass. The galaxy took on ONE 12 year old bird of pray without shields and lost.

Nebula Class was always a top favorite of mine, by a lot. She, and her cousins the Galaxy Class, have made me wonder a few things: I picture it in my head that both classes were designed under an "all or nothing" armour scheme. Only the critical areas would get physical protection, the rest would rely on the hugely powerful energy shields. The mass of these ships would be astronomical (pun intended) to begin with. Those engines; that are capable of moving objects that big that fast, pumping energy to the defensive and weapons systems when they're not at top speed would be way more than sufficient for most instances. That made them originally vulnerable to the Borg and Dominion. It's both a design flaw, and their most powerful asset. In a larger context, one could see these ships being the start of the Federation's troubles during TNG and forward. To their neighbors, these super massive and massively powerful "ships of peaceful exploration" would give folks the screaming freak-outs. Intended or not, it'd start an arms race, and cause other factions like the Romulans and Cardassians to feel the need to assert themselves more. The Federation are nice folks, but those are really big sticks...

@venomgeekmedia9886

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah that's definitely something the federation forget when designing those TNG era ships.

@andytol1976

2 жыл бұрын

@@venomgeekmedia9886 To be fair, the "bigger is better" design philosophy Starfleet used goes right back to the Constitution Class. Also; everyone else local uses the same sort of tech, so specialized weapons that ignore energy shields wouldn't have been considered, and it was quickly adapted too. But also in fairness; if today someone got themselves an armoured car, and strapped rocket launchers to the top, how far down the highway you think they'd get before the police showed up? Lol "I only use it to commute to work and go grocery shopping"

I like this type of vid it’s like two friends chatting st with out me being able to add my two cents lol

@venomgeekmedia9886

3 жыл бұрын

something i think we've all experienced...

@lucasbachmann

3 жыл бұрын

That's true for me too. I'm not learning anything but it's nice to hear someone else talk about things I like.

There really should not be a distinction between a light and heavy cruiser. The naval distinction between a light and heavy cruiser mainly came about from the London Naval Treaty of 1930. It was a continuation of attempts to limit a naval arms race initiated by the Washington Naval Treaty, which formalized the distinction between a cruiser and a capitol ship (aka battleship). In that treaty, a nation's total tonnage of battleships were limited, but not cruisers. The London Naval Treaty limited a nation's total tonnage of heavy cruisers and light cruisers. In theory, I guess you can have something similar in Star Trek, but I am not aware of any starship limitation treaties between teh Klingons, Romulans and Federation. lol

+1:39 The Upper right looks like if it's capable of Saucer separation the Engineering hull is left with the smaller nacelles. where as the one on the middle left looks like the reverse. Either one of those might be good for picking up an abandoned galaxy Class Saucer for transport as it could split in half and bold the Galaxy Saucer on instead. Especially the left middle that looks perfect for that. I like the Long Body version - it's just that little bit different and that is cool.

I want one for my personal use as long as it is fully kitted out with all the guns and weapons.

I think you completely misunderstand the point of these classes with the nacelles underneath the saucer. The goal there was to have the smallest footprint so that the nacelles were protected by the saucer section. This was WAY better for military engagements than having the pylons just hanging out overhead in a fire fight. The smaller footprint meant the shields were more compact and could absorb more impacts than attenuating the shields across a much larger area. The Nebula was particularly designed so that it could engage enemies at a greater distance than any other ships active in the fleet. It could stay out of the engagement zone and just bombard whatever it wanted before the enemy could get close enough to fire. Whether or not it was as fast as the Galaxy class is debatable since, on screen, we know that they're pretty evenly matched. We know that the Nebula was able to stay ahead of the Galaxy at warp 9.

Ya the writers clearly ran the nerfed Nebula "It's slower than a Galaxy" performance as not to step on the toes of the poster child and star of the show. Realistically though, if the Nebula had the same warp core, warp engines and presumably the same impulse engines etc then surely the more compact design would deliver at least the same sort of performance and most likely overall better performance in regards agilty. The more compact size would also make a smaller shield profile requirement too so the Nebula would kinda tick more boxes that first seems. We can only believe the Nebula, being so similar to the Galaxy, would indeed share the same warp core and warp/impulse engines, weaponry etc purely because logistically that would make the most sense, as to streamline the production and maintenance requirements of Starfleet vessels as much as possible. It just wouldn't make sense to have two almost identical ships that were designed and built around the same time and therefore must surely have been a shared/joint project, to have completely separate parts in those very common areas. Yes, lots of differences elsewhere, but surely not in those most common areas. Arguably, given the sheer adaptability of the Nebulas design with its ability to facilitate many roles thanks to interchangeable pods, it would also probably have a longer shelf life than the more role limited Galaxy, and would find a second life filling less import mundane sorts of roles decades after the newer designs forced its withdraw from front line service.

The Nebulas were a badass. I imagine that based on the warp core issues, the Galaxy edged it out in power generation as well then, likely giving the Galaxy a slight edge in terms of endurance for shielding and phaser fire as well, although given the more "tucked in" nature of the Nebula, perhaps its shields could be more tightly focused effectively negating that disadvantage. But the Nebula is most closely a "pocket battleship," IMO. Definitely punching over her weight class. I have to wonder if the Odyssey had been a Nebula, especially with the torpedo module, if her final battle would've ended differently. I have no doubt that the fight would've been brutal and it would've come home limping badly if it did at all, and there's the question of whether the vulnerabilities that led to the Odyssey's rapid destruction would've afflicted the Nebula as well...

@jkeelsnc

2 жыл бұрын

With a weapons pod mounted on top the Nebula could've used photon torpedo volleys to give those Jem'hadar warships a hard time. I am not sure it would've ultimately changed the outcome of the battle at the time simply because the Jem'hadar were perfectly willing to ram the ship in a short period of time.

I always considered it the major flaw in Star Trek ship design. They build ships that do everything and these ships are marvelous in everything. The Klingons and Romulans and other bigger groups build very specific war ships, still they do not outclass the Federation multipurpose haulers. I saw an image lately showing side view drawing of a Galaxy class right in front of a Romulan TNG warbird (D‘deridex I think they are called). The Warbird is twice as long, wide and high and the internal volume of its beak alone is tree of four times the volume of an entire galagy class. The Scimitar from the last TNG movie actually seems to be smaller. And this massive ship is mostly a warship. Considering that the Romulans are at a very comparable tech base, one of these should blow three Galaxys all the way back to Sector 001. And the Klingons? Their Vorcha class heavy cruiser is a bit shorter than the Galaxy. But in fact they only took a propulsion system and weapon systems and shield systems, each comparable to the systems of the Galaxy and slabbed them together without all the stuff unnecessary in a warship, meaning, that these ships must excel in battle due to less unnecessary mass to be moved, less surface to be hit, etc. Galaxys and Nebulas are mobile space stations for peaceful missions like diplomacy and science. To use them in a war in an offensive way makes no sense at all.

you could reason that it was a more battle ready design...the reason I say this, is the compact form could possibly get more out of its shields and even weapon systems. A smaller footprint should require less power for shields. The fact that it was slower, could be the drawback of the compact nacelle location.

I think the Nebula was best to describe as a poor man version of the Galaxy. Basically, it is able to do things the Galaxy can, and in some cases better, but only when it is modified to do so with its modular design. Unlike the Galaxy, which is designed to use its large space to be a multi-purpose ship that can do anything with little in modification required. Though I do agree, it is not a light cruiser, it would be a standard cruiser with the Galaxy being a more heavy cruiser. Though to be frank, I am not sure you can classify Miranda as a Light Cruiser in the 24th Century. Certainly would be in the 23rd due to the Constellation and Excelsior being classified as a heavy cruiser at the beginning of its career.