I haven't found any other channel that clearly explains all product codings like this one. For riders who take their bikes to the shop and get them serviced, it might be irrelevant. But for those who service or upgrade their own bikes, this information is key to understand princing levels and avoid mixing incompatible parts; it really saves time and headaches. Great job!

@jimig399

2 жыл бұрын

He is very concise. Going so far as to show the packaging, manufacturing codes/descriptions,etc.. I also find that very considerate and obviously useful. Great video as usual sir.🙋🤙 I was on the fence with regard to some new brakes and you have helped to inform me which has helped me to make a choice...and I thank you for that. Happy holidays 🙏

Thank you very much @loveMTB for these videos exploring the range of 4 piston brakes. After a fairly lengthy wait I have now upgraded to SLX BR-M7120 front and BR-MT520 rear. Keep up the good work. Cheers from Sydney, Australia

I ran the OEM 2 piston deore on my last bike with the finned pads. They were great. I like how shimano is offering high level performance in the lower end components. Just less features and marginally more weight.

Dude, your comparison videos are awesome, thank you!!!

Keep these videos coming!

I almost made the mistake of upgrading my Deore to XT as well. Other than the extra adjustments on the levers, there's no point. I've heard the best upgrade for it is getting the XT Ice Tech rotors with metallic pads on the Deore calipers. That will make a much bigger performance gain than getting XT calipers

@TheNotoriousMIC

2 жыл бұрын

The rotor won’t make much difference and if avoid ice tech rotors unless you like the looks. The biggest difference is the quality of the materials. The deore lever might look identical to the XT but the XT is made from much stiffer alloy. That’s the reason the cutouts are smaller because the cheap soft metal in deore levers aren’t strong enough to have as big of a cut out. Squeeze a deore lever and you can feel the whole thing flex you can even see it move slightly. Makes the brake feel vague and unresponsive. You don’t know if you’re moving the pistons or flexing the levers. XT and XTR levers are made to a higher standard from much better materials so when you pull the lever, you’re moving the pistons not flexing the lever blades. Gives a way more predictable feel and a better performing brake.

@michaelmichaelagnew8503

Жыл бұрын

My bike came with SLX 4 piston so I'm not upgrading. Did buy a set of XTR rotors, to up the size of one of mine plus replace another. The rotors my bike came with are the lowest ones you could buy from Shimano and they don't even sell them anymore.

@fra93ilgrande

5 ай бұрын

If it makes you feel better, I "upgraded" from XT to XTR 🤦‍♂️🤣 Absolutely useless unless you're racing and shaving most grams possible off your bike lol

Excellent video as always!

As always your videos are the source to turn too. Thanks for the in-depth comparison on the different brakes,and suggesting an good and cheaper alternative. BTW the Meta sure looks great, but I still like your HT-01 the best🍺

Perfect as always, thanks for the videos you are on another lever . Greetings from Germany.

I replaced my cheap ass MT200 front brake with the Deore and I'm impressed with the feel, modulation and power it offers. It's been raining last couple of days and the brakes haven't squeaked either. Only thing I don't like is the clamp. Wish it was less bulky or they had an option of a normal lever mount.

Lordy, this channel is essential MTB content.

Another very enlightening video !!! Congratulations and thank you !!!

I have a set of Deore 4 piston brakes and I love them for what they are.

@luminousfractal420

3 жыл бұрын

i still miss my xtr rim brakes with the red pads. could stop on a dime. ate rims for breakfast. ..still to find a set of disk brakes that have the same stopping power..currently on xt :/

As always another informative video Thanks for the great video

Excellent review!

Excellent video as always 👌

Very nice review as always. XT going in the soon to be released ARC build? Oh you just said it after I wrote that one.

Thanks for another good video... 🙌🏼

Great video! Currently I'm running a saint up front and the 4 piston xt in the rear. I notice very little difference with modulation however not enough to justify the cost... Really great deal for the XTs.

@JohnCoconis

3 жыл бұрын

@@LoveMTB I needed more power in the front because I'm usually fully loaded. The heat disapation was important as well as the zero fade that I get from the 4 pistons. I have to say the saint is really rugged and can take a lot of abuse but so can the xt. I do like the on/off feel on the rear and a bit more modulation in the front. If anything I'll continue to use this set-up for awhile. I appreciate the question!

J'ai monté des SLX 4 pistons et en suis très satisfait. C'est un bon compromis entre les XT et les DEORE.

Excellent video concise and informative .👍

Very informative thanks!

Thanks, great vid :)

Great informative video.

Some very nice HT MTB there Mate...

Nice video. Im waiting for shimano to update the saint models. But at the moment im running these xt brakes

Thank you man for such a detailed video as usually. Very informative if you have doubts about investing more money in more expensive brakes. The fact is that more expensive brakes are more powerful, but just everyone need to thing if they need this more power for more money, probably not

@littlefish4270

2 жыл бұрын

Later models usually provide more modulation or control & are usually more ridgid which helps with both modulation & power.

Thx 4 the explaination

Another very interesting video....

Thanks a lot, I just looking to replace my 400 brakes (stock brakes) - they have not enough power for my 29er fs. Choosing between slx and deore 4piston for front.

Make sure you use the correct bleed block that covers both of the pistons! Many people are reporting cracking the ceramic. I'm running the SLX 7120s. I don't know if thats what happened to mine because it looks like there is a hole inside the cup where fluid escapes, but it started leaking after I got it filled with oil. You may want to even pre-fill the caliper with oil to reduce the bleed time. I've had to order a MT520 to scavenge for calipers because there are not rebuild options for these and the alternative is a metal knockoff replacement at $25/pr (one large and one small) that have mixed reports. I also ordered the 7120s from BikeINN and neither them or Shimano has responded to my warranty inquiries. I'm not going to hold my breath waiting. I guess I should have gone through my LBS.

Excelent video.

You really know your shit! Great review.

I have the SLX M7120 front and rear on my Enduro Hardtail and i love em! I don't feel the need to spend more than that on brake's. Haven't used the deore but anyways i love the modern SLX blue so much and the toolless reach adjustment can be useful. Also once you had ispec EV stuff you can't go back LoL

@kaedeschulz5422

3 жыл бұрын

@@LoveMTB Yea the color is a matter of taste. I just bought em because a friend from Austria who rides very hard told me they are worth buying over the deore m6120 so i got them.

I use 4 pot XTR at front and my god that thing can stop a car, truly amazing performance!

Good informative video. 👍🏻 Don’t you run your brakes moto style?

Thanks for sharing this video. Now I have options choosing what kind of brake to install. Just curious, why’s 4 piston brake in the front? Because you used more braking power on rear than the front. Thanks.

Nice useful video. I prefer Shimano as they use mineral oil rather than caustic Dot4.

Have you had any issues with a wandering bite point? I never have with my Shimano 2 pots but I keep reading about many that say they do with both 2 & 4 piston brakes. Many also seem to complain about lack of modulation in Shimano brakes but I've never found that either.

Good video, very informative. I didn’t read all the comments, but the lever is the part you pull with your fingers. The master cylinder is the part the lever goes into. The clamp is .. the clamp. You referred to all these parts as the lever in the video at some point. In the beginning I was pretty confused. The Master Cylinders are the same 🙂

@littlefish4270

2 жыл бұрын

The whole assembly which comprises the master cyclinder, lever & clamp is classed in the bike industry as a "lever". The actual lever itself is classed as a "blade". Yes is confusing.

Looks like the reach adjust on the Deore can use a knob also? Just replace the screw with a knob?

Thanks for your great review. I personally wouldn’t spend more money than the cost of br-m6120. No increase of power nor useful features. Really like the sintered d02s pads. Enough power for enduro/downhill. I used a thread cutter and added a m4 thread to my deore calipers to be able to use a pad retaining bolt. Just as a hint ;)

@LoveMTB

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing🤘

Хороший обзор ! Отличные советы ! Респект и уважуха !😉

Hello!! I want to buy a hardtail! And the meta ht and the yeti arc are my main options! Can you tell something about the diferent felling on both bikes? I dont know what to do... thanks a lot!

I still ride resin in my 520, but despite being proud of my bleeding technique, I feel them as quite squishy. My friend's older clamp XTs 2pot are so grabby it's really impressive. I am quite sure 520 are power upgrade over previous deore 615 I had, both felt squishy though imo.

@polishguywithhardtospellna8227

3 жыл бұрын

@@LoveMTB well rear always feel worse due to longer hose, but yeah I don't have that proud feeling about my 4pots. Mushy feeling instead 😂 They are stronger for sure though and large organic pads last longer, so less worries about downpours in mountains although I've been lucky with those, so... And I don't feel comfortable spending pretty much even slx 4pot money on brakes. I should spend more on trips to mountains instead of equipment swaps. I'm very guilty of that. Cheaper stuff, but too much fiddling, swapping, little upgrades that are not satisfactory long terms. Constant loophole. 😥

Yeeey nice❤️!

Awesome stuff! My 501/520s are hands down the best Shimano brakes I have had since the 785s. No wondering bite point and they just work. I'm curious if you will have bite point issues with the XTs once the miles roll up. Thanks for the video!

@mrvwbug4423

3 жыл бұрын

Wandering bite point has mostly been fixed. I had it happen a few times with the SLX on my old bike, but only ever in cold weather, when the brakes were still cold, once they get a little heat in em it goes away. The XTs I'm running on my current bike have never had the wandering bite point issue occur. The Deores my current bike came with stock did have a noticeable loss of modulation when hot, just like the MT-520s and most older Shimano brakes.

Just got a new bike came with SLX 4 piston and I like them a lot

@abrahamchairez6291

3 жыл бұрын

@@LoveMTB mountain bike all mountain. I have a Giant REIGN pro 1 with 203 rotors

@mrvwbug4423

3 жыл бұрын

@@abrahamchairez6291 Nice, those will be metallic pads, the 4 pots usually come with metallic pads by default. I had SLX 4 pots on the giant Trance that was my previous bike, they worked great. I currently run XT on my Ripmo which are even better, noticeable reduction in lever effort

MT 420. Entry 4pot. Super braking at my kitted out 105kg. Pistons same size through entire range. Big too. Same as sram code

Hey man, do you know the difference between the OEM and Retail Shimano components? Is there any difference in terms of performance or anything? Cos generally the OEM costs cheaper though they do not come with original retail packaging.

Old finned pads in new caliper for sure would have better cooling with that improved airflow. But it came to my mind, that for people prefering metallic, but riding on flatter trails regularly or having very varied trails, wouldn't keeping bit more heat in them pads=and so rotors prevent squeal and lower-cold performance? (I mean running fin-less purposely)

Hi can I know what dropper lever that you are using? I saw it was Shimano but not sure about the model. Thanks in advance

Shimano XT 4-Pison brakes vs XTR would be interesting... looks like it's the same, except XTR is lighter and costs basically double. I'm thinking about getting the XT 4-piston brakes for my downhill bike build, what's your opinion on their stopping power/modulation? I've noticed XT brakes becoming common on stock downhill bikes nowadays, and pros seem to prefer XTR over Saint brakes in shimano sponsored downhill teams interestingly.

I noticed a major upgrade when going from 4 calliper deors to 4 callipers XT. The deore just didnt brake good enough on a fast steep decent and the XT 100% fixed that. They were easy to install and i havent had to bleed them ever since and they still feel as new!

@EL34XYZ

3 жыл бұрын

4 piston. There is only one caliper :)

The old saint/zee pads sure look weird in the 8120 caliper, but do they fit in the 6120 caliper? Wait...going to watch that other video where you probably did that. You got me.

How are they compared in the heat department? Deore is fading more rapidly then the xt?

So what do you think of running a 4 pot XT front and a 2 pot 6100 back?

Can you introduce your sunRingle wheels to us, please? I guess I have the same ones (with duroc 35 rim) and I wanna see what's inside of them. But I'm afraid to get into it until I know how to service them right.

3:02 Is the Deore lever a 3 finger or 2 and a half finger? You can clearly see at 3:02 in this video that the lever/handle (area for the fingers (non native speaker)) of the Deore is longer than that of the XT. I took a screenshot and measured it on my screen and if there is no extreme video/lens distortion this is clearly the case. Can you measure it and confirm that?

We still don't see a channel's face! Let's face it! 🤣 (Has a new meaning now) Or face the consequences! 😂 All this is off course only jokes, you run your channel how you like it. It seems it's working. Despite you might wish for faster growth, viewers are often complementing the technical approach, that you're becoming known for. Great work as always 👍👌

@polishguywithhardtospellna8227

3 жыл бұрын

@@LoveMTB even better 😂

So going for the M6120 calipers and the XT levers and you'll have fantastic Breaks for 150€. :)

@teemu3370

3 жыл бұрын

Why XT levers?

boa noite, tem alguma diferença entre o oem que bem conectado e o original na caixa? sabe dizer?

10:27 aesthetically, that caliper looks gret, though. Sorta looks more elegant

what is difference in brakig power between xt 2piston m8100 and xt 4piston?

again my friend ,another excellent video. thank you for your efforts and time to present all of this. i also see that the deore has the bleeding valve in another position from the xt brakes. to tell you the truth i consider the deore system much more appropriate than the xt one. that is because that you can clearly see that the bleedidng valve of the deore circulates the fluid better and covering all the calipers capacity than the xt ones which only covers half of the caliper, this surely makes for a less effort bleeding procedure. Again thank you for your videos.

@LoveMTB

Жыл бұрын

They say that the bleeding port on the XT allows for a more complete/ easier bleed...

@elenakana5931

Жыл бұрын

@@LoveMTB it is easier cause it moves fluid in a straight line thus the fluid moves a little more quick. But the deore offers better overall fluid coverage.it trully circulates the fluid from the left point to the right, but the xt must rely to the sub pressure effect for the one side to really put out the air. Lastly, not everyone gets rid the air into the fluid with a syringe before feeling the brakes. to make the most of the bleeding , the new fluid must be put through the syringe sub pressure effect to get rid the air embedded into it. there are several videos that illustrate it.

@LoveMTB

Жыл бұрын

@@elenakana5931 It is what Shimano says, could be just marketing!

@elenakana5931

Жыл бұрын

@@LoveMTB i believe it is just marketing , the new model must offer something new to the table, otherwise it won't make sense for the end user to buy it. keep up the good work. your channel is perfect.

I'm using 7100 2 piston on my new Rascal build and love them. I have 8020 on my e bike and those 4 pistons help stop that heavy bike. My levo came with sram level T 4 pistons that were unbelievably weak.

i am going to replace my mt400 with the m6120 front and back. I got a good deal and payed 120€ for both. Only one m8120 would cost 140€ here in germany. I have yet to install and test them 😅

@LoveMTB

4 ай бұрын

You’re going to like them and the price was 😳

Excellent breakdown and clearly explained as always! A question though, can M8000 series calipers be installed with M6000 levers and would there be any benefit to that combination other than cost savings?

@onedsf

3 жыл бұрын

@@LoveMTB Thanks for the feedback. I have an unused M8000 caliper and was thinking about a cheaper lever pairing to save a few bucks, but may end up just going all in to complete a matching set. But other levers would work once they're Servo wave compatible, correct?

Does you lever push outwards abit ive just bought one and mine does isit normal?

Deore lack the modulation of the SLX and up, and they have the traditional loss of modulation when hot that older Shimano brakes are known for. SLX to XTR all have comparable stopping power, but as you get higher in the lineup the lever effort goes down as XT and XTR have more powerful master cylinders. I've ridden the entire lineup from Deore to XTR and Deore is fine for most trail riding, but I would upgrade to SLX or better if you ride park or a lot of steep trails

@georgedaswani9155

3 жыл бұрын

What's common with all the Servo-Wave Shimano Brakes is the wandering bite point (Deore, SLX, and XT). Still not fixed.

Great video. Two things: Have you tested the strength of the 4 pots over the 2 pots? How would you describe the differences?

@LoveMTB

Ай бұрын

20% more powerful = barely noticeable improvement in modulation and possibly harder time to make sure your rotors don’t run 😊

the new 12sp deore is perfectly satisfactory for everyone. in fact buying anything above deore is purely cosmetic and only for flexing.

Gracias por los subtitulos en español

hi what is the price of sinabi deore full group set ? pls reply

Are m7000 levers compatible to 4piston calipers? saint,zee, m8120, m7120?

i ride only park and steep terrain and have been riding deore 4 pot with sintered pads for a couple years now and i personally cannot see a point in spending the extra 33% (my country prices) on xt to get free stroke adjust and fin pads that rattle. the only thing i miss is the tool free adjust, deore is excellent value!

@joseulloa8769

Жыл бұрын

You could run slx brake levers for tool free adjustment

@adamt3289

Жыл бұрын

@@joseulloa8769 sure can, but honestly it's a nit pick. Brakes are still going strong! I Gravity bleed with putoline hpx suspension fluid so good

Your bikes are always so spotlessly clean. Do you ever ride them or just like to tinker on them? There are those who fall into this category believe it or not. I'm not judging...just curious.

Thank you so much for another great video! I'm about to build a hardtail trail bike and I've got a choice between Deore 6100 and SLX 7100 brakesets. Which would you suggest?

@0ShortsKing0

3 жыл бұрын

honestly, if you want to reduce costs but keep the performance like very nearly the same, i would go for deore m6100. And if you don't mind that little weight difference :)) I have the deores in 4pot and they are awesome!

@0ShortsKing0

3 жыл бұрын

@@LoveMTB i don't know if i made the right decision :)) This morning i purchased a front shimano deore xt m8020 brake. Is it ok?

Are the pistons the same size? Deore XT and Deore.

still now im stuck with my 7 speed stock shimano turney really hoping to upgrade my bike.... parts soon.. shifters are broken 😭😭😭

interesting comparison, currently I have a deore m6100, you would recommend as the next update deore xt or deore (both 4 pistons) for trail and enduro use. I need more power and stability on long descents

@yudhaasukma

21 күн бұрын

what 4 pots brakes are you using now?

Hello! Are you using spacers for installing calipers in 180 mm rotors? Or is compatible with 160, 180 mm? Thanks.

@LoveMTB

Жыл бұрын

Depends on the fork some accept 180mm minimum

Just got a new bike with MT410's and 180mm front & rear... They feel much softer than my old M445's. Looking for more initial bite and overall power (especially for the front). Would I be better off going to a 203mm in the front, or should I look into a MT420 or MT520? If I go MT520, should I upgrade master cylinder to MT501 as well?

@flybyguy1450

3 жыл бұрын

@@LoveMTB my lbs has the 520 caliper for sale on it's own, so I wasn't sure if there was any difference between my current master cylinder and the 501. Btw, thanks for the fast reply and detailed video!!

are the internal components the same?

Buen video.

@albertom403

3 жыл бұрын

@@LoveMTB a ti siempre por entretenernos con tus vídeos.

Hello, great video, again! I have a set of new Shimano SLX BR-M7100 I have just put on a new build. Can I swap the 2 piston front caliper for a 4 piston Shimano SLX BR-M7120 and use the existing hose and lever? Thanks

@kenjaphet7978

Жыл бұрын

I have the same question, were they compatible? m7000 lever + m7120 caliper?

Those deore one that you have go by another name, and are cheaper. Shimano mt-520. The lever is exactly the same as deore abs well as caliper the only thing that is different is paint job and branding. (I know bc I have both) I like them a lot

Have you ever done a video on how to service the m8120 callipers ?

@LoveMTB

Жыл бұрын

Not yet...

Slx m7120 would be my choice. Checked with my local shimano dealer and he confirmed it’s the same construction as with the xt m8120 except built with different material making a set of slx pair about 60 grams heavier. The other difference is that slx doesn’t hv the freestroke adjustment which in my experience with shimano, doesn’t make much difference. Although it only cost 50 bucks more for the xt.

@irenelim5134

3 жыл бұрын

@@LoveMTB I like the calliper colour for the 4 pot slx. But I agree the 2pot version looks cheap.

@irenelim5134

3 жыл бұрын

@@LoveMTB I was referring to the SLX decals on the callipers:) the 4 pot looks better.

which set stops better .?good lord .

have you compared the new 4 piston line up vs the good old zee and saint?

@LoveMTB

Жыл бұрын

Have not had the chance. BUT I can tell you that the bike mechanics in Whistler still run...Saint!

I have XTR and what can I say is, people, get Deore and forget about the rest lol 😂 😅 Ps: the XTR 9100 has direct hose connection

@LoveMTB

5 ай бұрын

Yes indeed because it is the race version, 2-piston

Can i put 4 piston brakes on a hardtail xc bike

Thanks for the great video. What do you think about the zee brakes, how do they compare to the slx 4-pot? There is a good offer of a set of brakes, zee calipers + slx 7000 leavers. Does it make sense to overpay for the slx m7120 set? p.s. i ride xc / trail on giant trance 3 29.

@unkle-user

3 жыл бұрын

@@LoveMTB i am 152lb. what about modulation on 4pot brakes, is there a big difference with 2pot? (there are m6120 and m7100 on sale at the same price) now everyone wants 4pot brakes, even in your last videos you use 4pot. Your opinion is interesting, you have a lot of experience. Thanks.

@unkle-user

3 жыл бұрын

@@LoveMTB Thanks a lot. I will be ordering the m7100. Make a lot of great videos, you are very good at it. Thanks again for the answers. Good trails!

Hello What shimano funnel bleeding kit should I buy for this Shimano Deore XT M8120 brake? Cause I believe they have different size.

@_JethCodyKath

3 жыл бұрын

@@LoveMTB thank you so much! Loved your videos man I learned alot because of your videos.

You can put the bolts pins on deore

May i ask something,its about breaks,i have my trail frame i was building,is it ok if i use two piston rather than 4 piston,is ther any differences

@barizto7494

3 жыл бұрын

I also have a question,its abou rotors,i was planing to use slx hubs,it was center lock ,is thers any difference about center lock and bolt type rotors?

Where is the vid to.install. shimano brakes I can not find it on this site ....have you got a link pls

@Wroe

2 жыл бұрын

@@LoveMTB thnx ....can I ask why you cut the hose attached to the break lever instead of de coupling it form the brake lever ??? ...just easier ?? .... I'm.in the same process of upgrading my brakes and wondered why ?

is it any different if i use a 4 piston XT caliper with a XT 785 lever ?

@thanhlequangngo4269

3 жыл бұрын

@@LoveMTB is it ok if i stick with it , or should i change the levers to the right ones ? having 2 785 levers and 2 4-ơp xt calipers in stock

2piston xt or 4piston diore?