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The great thing about Shiloh Sharps is you can get it just the way you want it. First class operation. Thanks for the detail on your outfit. Great information.

@kcstott

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you . I'm very new to this you tube thing. (posting vids) And yeah Shiloh will pretty much build a rifle anyway you like.

When I ordered my 30-inch heavy barrel 45-70 Hartford Model I made sure to get the shotgun butt-plate. It's great fun to shoot, especially with black powder loads. I used an Axtell midrange rear sight originally, but I eventually switched to a Left-Hand Kelly Soule. I waited 5 years to get mine (way back in 1997!)

@kcstott

4 ай бұрын

That was actually a short wait in the 90's from what I understand. I've heard rumor that some waited as long as 8 years.

@johnowens7405

4 ай бұрын

I ordered mine while I was stationed on Okinawa with the Air-Force, so it was waiting on me when I got back home! LOL!

@kcstott

4 ай бұрын

I don't know if that your make the time go by quicker or not. Maybe get to a point and forget about it then be surprised when it shows up.

For $6,000, I could easily buy some hyper-acurate super precision 338 Lapua Magnum that would absolutely be objectively superior to this gun in virtually every measurable way. However, I would definitely rather have a custom-made Shiloh because it's subjectively superior in virtually every measurable way.

@kcstott

3 жыл бұрын

I have built better rifles for less that are more accurate, more forgiving to the shoulder and cheaper to load for. That was not the point of this rifle. But I get your point. Yeah if this was my only long range rifle i'd be pretty stupid for buying it. But since I own three precision long range rifles this thing is a novelty to shoot

@SudsyMedusa53

3 жыл бұрын

@@kcstott yeah, my point was that you can have "better" guns, but the sharps will be cooler.

@wilmamcdermott3065

3 жыл бұрын

I have the 338 lapua and 4570 pedersoli sharps rather shoot the sharps more of a challange

@chanhmilner2670

3 жыл бұрын

Stuck between a rock and hard place

@garymiller5416

2 жыл бұрын

​@@SudsyMedusa53 I guess that would be a subjective opinion of what one considers to be better. This is stepping back in time and accomplishing hits that are tough to make with todays modern day scoped rifles. Billy Dixon knocked an Indian off his horse at 1538 yards on June 27th 1874, with I believe what was a 50/90 sharps he supposedly borrowed from Bat Masterson with vernier sights, that was later marked off for distance by the U.S. Army. Even Billy later on considered it a scratch shot, but it goes to show what these rifles can accomplish in the hands of a marksman. Again, this rifle is a piece of history you can hold in your hands that is so well made you can take parts from this rifle and put them on a circa 1874 Sharps and they will fit perfectly. Pretty sure I can comfortably say that Shiloh Sharps is unrivaled by anyone in the world when it comes to fit, finish, and accuracy these historical buffalo rifles. Although Winchester gets the credit for it, Sharps rifles cleared the way for Winchester to be able to claim to be the rifle than won the west. As a side note, this also where the term Sharpshooter derived from.. Sorry, didn't mean to be so long winded, and certainly intended no disrespect to your comments. I received my custom ordered 45/70 from Shiloh just a week or so ago and it truly is a magnificent piece of artisanal old world craftsmanship combined with todays metallurgy and machining. I doubt that I'll be up to shooting to it's potential for quite some time...if ever!

I have a 50-90 in a Quigley configuration, I wanted a 50-90 and a Quigley 45 110, but could only afford 1 so joined them together. Love it

Thanks Kerry. Just the video I needed. I am in the process of ordering my rifle and this was really helpful advice.

@kcstott

22 күн бұрын

@bucstart Thank you very much. I hope you use Bill goodman to get a jump in line and I hope you do not order a military stock. Be advised anything longer than 45-100 is impossible to find brass for at the moment.

Gorgeous Rifle! You are living my dream! You lucky guy!

Thank you for an excellent and honest video!

I have two Shiloh Sharps rifles both in 45/70. One is my ("Almost Quigley" per Shiloh ) Hartford model 30" heavy barrel, hooded front site and midrange vernier rear, shotgun butt. Pewter nose cap. The other is a Montana Rough Rider, 34" heavy barrel, semi fancy wood stock, color case harden steel shotgun butt stock, polished blued screws, pewter nose cap, hooded front site, and a longrange vernier rear site. Both rifles are tack drivers with my custom black powder hand loads. They are my most treasured rifles.

Thanks for the Videos I love the old classic rifles! Please continue to keep the good work and God Bless!

@kcstott

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the kind words

I live in Lakeside and have a number 3 on order..45-90, 32” barrel, extra fancy wood, pewter tip. I ordered it from Shiloh June of 2020. I can hardly wait to get the rifle.

@kcstott

3 жыл бұрын

You’re going to love it.

@j.muckafignotti4226

2 жыл бұрын

10,000 years from now! But you will love it!

That's a fine rifle! Congrats.

Thanks for the excellent video. I’ve been interested in this gun for years and this is by far the most informative thing I’ve found on it yet.

@kcstott

Жыл бұрын

Thank you. That was the point. I was trying to find info and was coming up short. Glad you got some use out of it.

I am a craftsman who prefers working wood and metal. The old guns are precisely that. I have made 1874s in the past from scratch. When you add up the machine work and fitment work, 6000 dollars is a steal. The receiver is insane complex in terms of all the rotary milling setups required. Shilo uses inductive heating of aerospace grade steel and investment casting. They also have one of the very few if not the only 5 gang barrel boring machine used to build Garrand barrels in World War Two. Tom Sellic designed this gun to reflect historical precedent. That is why it had an 1859/1864 patch box which is not standard on the original 1874. The 1874 is one of the finest big game rifles ever made. Shilo Sharpes is one of the finest guns made. My next attempt of the 1874 will be a similar rifle in 50-140 with a sillver Snabble and the rose collar. Simply put, this is a gun for keeps!!!

" I don't get de-monetized" They can kiss my ass" you sir, just earned a like and a sub. 💯💯

Nice Video Buddy - Keep them coming - I feel like that a real nice honest review, I enjoyed it, and appreciated it. Thank you - SC

Best use of an hour in years. Just ordered a .45-100 from Shiloh.

@kcstott

2 жыл бұрын

Brass will be easier to find that's for sure. Tell me what you ordered? I'm curious.

@tomfleck5812

2 жыл бұрын

Hi Kerry. Like I said, my original order was for a .45-100 2.6, but at the time, I had every intention of loading smokeless powder. BAD IDEA. So, I changed the order to a .45-70 in order to have the versatility of off-the-shelf ammo. My kids will inherit this rifle, and I'd rather they don't blow themselves up. :-) Personally, I'm going to learn to load black powder and use it exclusively. I have plenty of brass on hand, as I use a Henry All-Weather for moose hunting. ANYWAY ... it's a Long-Range Express, 30" Full Octagonal, Standard Wood, Steel Buttplate, Custom Bed, Pewter Tip, No fancies (I plan to do a lot of shooting with it), LR Soule and #113 MVA Globe. It's VERY similar to yours, in that it's a working gun and will see a great deal of use. I plan to get into Cowboy Action Long Range and other long-range shoots. I found your video VERY helpful.

@stevehoward3981

2 жыл бұрын

I ordered a 1874 almost 2 years ago. Still waiting.

@jamesfleming9714

9 ай бұрын

No offence but, I hope I'm ahead of you in line. I have been longing for a Shiloh for almost three decades.

Outstanding review....really enjoyed watching it....expect to re watch it several times....thank you.

@kcstott

2 жыл бұрын

Please point out any areas of interest you'd like highlighted. And thank you for the kind words.

@MADMAX353

2 жыл бұрын

@@kcstott especially enjoyed the information on the tang sight and the detail about the breech block and the construction of the paper patch bullets.

Beautiful rifle, great story.

Like your rifle sleeve. Ammo belt also.

@kcstott

Жыл бұрын

thank you

I do have to add. Your video was great. Wish there were more videos when I ordered mine. Still learning on reloading for this. Wish you would share some of you reloading info, but I do understand the KZread platform. Thank you for a great video.

@kcstott

Жыл бұрын

I have two reloading videos for this rifle. Check the links in the description.

I picked up a DP version for about $1200. First time I held this rifle and worked the action I knew I was hooked. The Shiloh is the ultimate…I’m grateful to own my replica. BTW…my replica shoots like a champ!

@kcstott

2 жыл бұрын

Good to hear. I have no experience with the Davide Pedersoli. Like any Italian gun maker there are good ones and not so good ones. Pedersoli is the premium brand of replicas from Italy so I think you'll be very happy with it. the Price is not bad either.

Gorgeous rifle

Thanks. I think you are the only guy so far, to really review the Quigley. I took your advice and did not order a Quigley. I agree the site is difficult to figure out all they why’s, wherefore’s and differences. Some of them look pretty much the same as other’s. After some confusion, consternation, procrastination and frustration. I missed out on a couple which sold before I could make my mind up. So I ordered one. Now I’ve paid the non refundable deposit. Didn’t the exact one I wanted become available the next week. Dang it, now I’m going to end up with two. It will be a couple of weeks before it ships. Figured I might as well upgrade the sights a bit. Still not sure what to go for.

@kcstott

2 жыл бұрын

Tell me the caliber and what you intend to use the rifle for and I can give you advice on sights. Mainly it comes down to how far you intend to shoot and how good your eyes are. Mid range tang sights are good to about 600 to 750 yards. long range sights will get you to about 1200 yards. you will need a spirit level front sight for long range shooting. you can also opt for scope mount drill and tap so down the road you can buy an MVA scope and mount it with little effort.

@johnmacdonald1878

2 жыл бұрын

@@kcstott Hi, it’s a #1 Sporter, 45 70, Standard 30” barrel, with Steel but plate, semi fancy wood, brass screws and bedded whatever that is. With buckhorn and blade. So a fairly basic rifle. I would be happy with it as is for a while. Until I get comfortable with it. Sooner rather than later, I will want to try longer ranges. So rather than have to ship it back I was thinking of upgrading the sights. My first thought was add a 113 front and just an MVA base plate. Shiloh can do this, The buck horn will work with the 113. They also advise it would be better to set up the sight as well. As you point out, the cost adds up in a hurry. So part of my hesitation is budget. By the time I add sights it is ball park Quigly price. It’s all kind of exciting, I had a plan to slowly save up for a nice gun, with lots of time to consider all the trimmings. I kind of told my self when I hit the submit button, I wouldn’t go to crazy on extras. But I want to get it done right. The other considerations, authenticity, soul or not, I have heard the soul was a later innovation and used more on target rifles. Authentic sporters were probably target rifles or wealthier armature hunter’s. Not sure what to do about the ordered gun, I have at least a couple of years to save up for it though. In the mean time, I will have a nice gun, I can use. I want it to be a gun I can use and enjoy and learn with. Thanks, again your comments steered me to prioritize nicer to use. Which is why I wanted a sporter with the shotgun stock. Rather than a Military Stock which is I think more typical of more original buffalo guns. I am a history nerd. And I grew up watching westerns.

@kcstott

2 жыл бұрын

Well you're on the right track. I'd say the 113 front is a very good choice especially if you plan to shoot beyond 600 yards. you need the spirit level to keep from making really bad shots. The rainbow arc of these rifles will not appreciate a canted sight picture at distance. You're not going to like the buck horn sight and it will not work well with the 113 globe sight. I mean it's not bad but it's not conducive to accuracy at all. Sorry for the delay. you tube seems to bury the comments in the notifications I guess I need to change some settings so i get an email instead.

Fantastic video! I know I missed something's and I'll have to watch the video another 20 time's just to be confused. My shoulder's are in bad shape and I'd have to get my son to shoot these day's, but I would love to watch him shoot it. I've always been a lever action guy and as I was blessed at the age of 19 ( 1976 ) to meet Chuck Conner's the rifleman and got to spend 1.5 hour's one on one with him. My greatest memory from my youth! Oh yeah I'm a big color case harden guy so that would be a must. If anyone is interested as far as I know Tyler Gun Works is the only company who color case harden brass.

@kcstott

2 жыл бұрын

Brass can only be chemically treated to resemble color case, There is a company called steel FX you can buy all the chemicals there to do any color you like on any metal you choose. As to your shoulder my suggestion is get a rifle with a shotgun butt. like a long range express, a business rifle, or a Creedmoor. And get it in a caliber that would be less punishing on your body. like a 38-50

Beautiful. 🇺🇸👍🏼

Really awesome video

@kcstott

6 ай бұрын

Thank you

Nice video nice rifle...its nice to drive a Lambo but there something to say about gray ghost RR....nice choice

@kcstott

2 жыл бұрын

Being a bit of a Car guy myself I absolutely get the Gray Ghost RR comment. If it was a Lambo it would have to be a Miura. If I was to compare or try to match the Shiloh 45-110 to a car it would have to be something like the Duesenberg. Not to sound like a cliche. It's just that shooting this thing with a proper load of Blackpowder and extracting any kind of accuracy takes an enormous amount of work and self education. It would have been far easier to get a 45-70 and shoot smokeless but wheres the fun in that. Just like restoring a Duesenberg. It would be far easier to buy a Honda Civic. Not that I have Duesenberg experience.

That is a massively sexy rifle.

I love the look of the traditional semi crescent buttplate and patchbox, but my shoulder sure doesnt love it. I just bought a 2nd Shiloh with the shotgun butt for load development and range fun. The Quigley will be used mostly for stand hunting from now on.

@kcstott

2 жыл бұрын

Yep, that's why i'm changing my stock. military but is not fun to shoot on anything remotely hot loaded.

@mikebennet7697

2 жыл бұрын

Left my rifle alone.... it's too lovely. Watched Gunjoker and scored a Shiloh #3 sporter under 2000 bucks

The only problem is finding brass and ammo for the big 110 is unobtainium. Casting bullets is relatively straightforward, along with obtaining powder, and primers are starting to get tricky to find. I ordered a long-range express in the 110 last year. Right now, I'm getting the dies and brass. I got the dies lol, no brass.

@kcstott

7 ай бұрын

Yeah Unfortunately Brass is very difficult to find. Fortunately when you do find it and buy it , Brass can last a very long time.

@awwsnogga this is standard wood with heavy antique on metal and wood

Another recommendation here for Bill Goodman!

@kcstott

2 жыл бұрын

Absolutely!!!

I had the chance to buy a 45/110 a couple of months ago . Came with dies , brass , projectiles , etc . Rifle was scoped . Asking $ 2200.00 .I passed it up. Bought a Pedersoli Sharps Buffalo gun in 45/70 last week for $ 2500.00 .

@kcstott

Жыл бұрын

45-70 is easier on the budget for sure,

Just what I needed. I'm expecting delivery of the same rifle as yours except with the shotgun type stock. At 71 I didn't want to wait forever. I bought a used Shiloh. I'll probably view your video several times. This is a new area of shooting I've never explored. I have done some CAS but this is a whole new game. Wanted a .45-70 but resigned myself the .45-110 in hopes that I can throttle down a load that doesn't knock me over. You've done a great job on this presentation which is appreciated. Might you do a video on reloading the .45-110 cartridge? Thanks for the entertaining and informative video. Vic

@kcstott

3 жыл бұрын

I highly recommend you head over to the face book groups "Sharps rifles from creedmoor to the plains. Thats Kenny Waserbergers page. he's the end all be all expert on the 45-110. As for a reloading video. I could do that I just need to figure out how to keep it to a minimum in time. Maybe break it up in a few sections.

@denisdegamon8224

3 жыл бұрын

You can mitigate some of the recoil by using maybe a 420 grain bullet in lieu of a 535 or 540 grain 45 caliber bullet. Just seat the bullet down onto the black powder with a bit of compression. Oh by the way use a powder compression die with a card wad ontop of the powder, then in a separate operation seat the bullet down on the powder. Use a good black powder lubricant like DLG or SPG on the bullets grease grooves or use a grease cookie over the card wad.

@violavic952

3 жыл бұрын

@@kcstott I joined .... looks like a wealth of information. Thanks

@kcstott

3 жыл бұрын

@@violavic952 My recommendation is be humble. there are a few guys over there that will give you the best guidance in the world from decades of master competitor experience. These guys know their stuff. Good deal. and Welcome aboard

Nice video. It would be of interest if you could do a video of you making the rounds.

@georgeemanson

2 жыл бұрын

A video of you making the stock/butt padding would also be of interest.

@kcstott

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah I've thought about that and i'll have to figure out away to to it. the problem is loading black powder has nearly nothing in common with loading smokeless. not to mention there are things you must do with grease groove bullets that you don't do with paper patch bullets. So for the uninitiated it can be few confusing. and I don't want to bore people with a cautionary or warning statement every sentence.

The bruise wasn't on your shoulder it was on your arm 🤣

@kcstott

Жыл бұрын

Yeah but I did have a nasty bruise on the shoulder too. I just didn't think you wanted to see fat old guy porn😜

About 10 years ago I bought a Shiloh Sharps Hartford model chambered in 45-110 off gunbroker. The rifle was about 15 years old, like new, unfired. I still have yet to fire it.

@kcstott

Жыл бұрын

My advice is shoot it. it's not going to harm the value. Shilohs already cost a pretty penny

Very nice sir

@kcstott

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you

Great review, thanks. I am one year into my two year wait for the Creedmoor Target version in .45-120. Basically the same setup as yours but, with the heavy half octagon barrel and the shotgun buttstock. I also sent wood to them for the furniture (an extra $500). Where are you getting your brass? I had to import mine from Bertram in Australia via Reddington Dies in CA. and, it was not cheap.

@kcstott

9 ай бұрын

Why did you go with 45-120? I'd call Shiloh and get that changed to no bigger than a 45-110. It's a waste of powder and you will not see any improvement over the 45-110. Not to mention as you have seen the difficulty in getting brass. Not that 45-110 is any easier to find right now but at least Norma makes it I got my brass from Gun broker when they had it in 2018. Bought all my gear for the rifle years before I got it.

Would like to see a video of the reload process 👍

@kcstott

2 жыл бұрын

Three new videos up on the reloading. They are long and I apologize for the length.

After living 66 years of my life, and lusting after the life that was 150 years ago. Reading everything I could get my hands on about the mountain men, the frontiersmen, the hunters, and adventures of the old west. I let myself completely go, and purchased & traded rifles until I had worked myself to be the owner of a Pedersoli Sharps. The adventure has just begun. I would like to pull the stocks off and refinish them with a oil type hand rubbed finish. Sorry, I have never in my life had a rifle that was not to be shot and used, it would be a great sin to have a rifle like the Sharps and never fire the rifle. It would be like having a beautiful girlfriend, and never kiss or make love with her!!! Vaya Con Dios I would really like to see someone pull the butt stock off of a 1874 Sharps or one of the fine replicas, that are out there! And in all reality, some of the replicas made today, shoot as good as the orginals. If you don't mind, I would like to watch someone pull the butt stock, and replace it??? Thank you!!

@kcstott

3 жыл бұрын

well there are some tricks to how they come apart. I don't recommend it. the wood have a tendency to chip and split if its a tight fit. my rifle has just about 100 rounds on the barrel so far. once i get the load work up done she'll be shooting about 50-60 round a month.

Kerry, I happen to have a Sharps 50-140. No other firearm puts a smile on my face or obscures the vision of the next five lanes at the range like that one does. Mine was made in Farmingdale NY. Watched your video through and not super versed with black power reloading. You by chance know of anyone that has any reloading data for the 50-140? All my books so far stop at 50-90, or 45-110.

@kcstott

2 жыл бұрын

If it's smokeless loads www.shootersreference.com/reloadingdata/50-140-sharps/ If you're looking for Black powder loads. I'd go with 1Fg powder and start at 110 grains through a drop tube. A Wasserberger wad stack and a 1/2" lube cookie, Yeah that much lube, that's a lot of fouling to keep moist and 1/2" may not be enough, that's why I wipe between shots and don't mess around with lube cookies.

@RecoveryOne

2 жыл бұрын

@@kcstott Thanks Kerry. Waiting on brass, molds and dies still. Everything for this guy is fairly hard to find, but enjoying the challenge of tracking things down. Have a good one brother!

@kcstott

2 жыл бұрын

45-110 is not much easier, even before the Coof. We also just got some good news, Goex is back in business and should be shipping powder in the spring of 2023. They are also keeping Olde Eynsford as a product line.

I just picked up a 45-70 Sharps but in Sporting configuration (flat buttplate and semi pistol grip) can't wait to shoot it. BTW I have also a rifle with military stock like yours, little tip put the butt plate higher up but not into the shoulder. This will make the recoil be more bearable. I do not get any bruises that way

@kcstott

3 жыл бұрын

While that may be true for a 45-70, this is a 45-110 shooting a 545gr Paper patched money bullet with 104gr of Olde Eynsford 1.5fg the bullet is leaving the barrel at 1400 fps Chronoed. there is no place to put the butt in the shoulder that is remotely bearable. Higher would just cause collar bone hits and more bruising. It's simply the fact that the butt plate is short, narrow and has two pointy bits that dig in and cause bruising. I'm no recoil wimp, I have a 458 Lott that drives 500gr dangerous game solids at 2300 fps, the Lott is 3 pounds lighter but due to a 5.5" tall 2" wide 1.25" thick kickeez recoil pad it is manageable and is very easy to shoot.

@wollekemper8317

3 жыл бұрын

@@kcstott I understand. What I missed to say is that the gun with the military stock is one of the big 50's . Physiology may also plays a role . What works for me does not need to work for you. I had bruises in the beginning but I figured out how to hold the gun and have no trouble since then. However it gives me a concussion after a day shooting it :-)

@kcstott

3 жыл бұрын

@@wollekemper8317 Ok then. Concussion I get it. yep this thing kick like a wild mule.

Love the Quigley I Do want one in 45 110 I am big on 45 70 I want BIGGER

What do you plan to do with your rifle? Target shoot, competition, etc.

@kcstott

Жыл бұрын

Mostly target shoot but also compete at the club level. Maybe if i can get some time away from home I can hunt.

Thanks for the video. I have a LR Express in 45-90 that I inherited. It's a beautiful rifle equipped with Soule LR Sights etc with a No 112 on the front but for all sorts of reasons I have yet to shoot it. Anyway, that's not why I'm commenting. I just wonder why you don't talk to Shiloh about replacing the butt stock? Surely people must upgrade their rifles all the time. Assuming that to be the case; why not deal with the uncomfortable butt stock in that manner?

@kcstott

2 жыл бұрын

With Shiloh's back log it would take three years to get a butt stock and $400 in shipping and insurance. But it's funny you mention that on the day I ordered a new stock from CPA rifles. So yes the problem is getting solved just not through Shiloh.

what made you seat so deep? im running a baco .446 money at 16:1 wrapped with 55w, i patch to bore and seat much further out...im running 108grs of goex fg, in norma brass compressed .400 with a .06 fiber wad, .06 ldpe, and a .125 cork wad, basically kennys old load...so far its doing about 1.5-1.75 moa at 200, but ive only had it since last oct and not much time behind it yet..but so far im pleased...gonna get serious here real soon and start a serious load development, have a .443 elliptical mold im gonna try as well...might even order a dual diameter mold...maybe...lol i got mine from bill goodman as well, mine is what lucinda and kirk at shiloh call, almost a quigley, it identical minus the engraving best of luck to you sir ps i didnt watch all the way through, im at work...so sorry if i missed somthing

@kcstott

3 жыл бұрын

It's just where the load ended up being. I still have a ton of load work up to do. I'm green as hell at this.

@howiefeltersnatch7716

3 жыл бұрын

@@kcstott ive been shooting sharps for over 20 years now, but just starting taking it serious...was always just a hunter and if it could tap a deer at a cpl hundred or get close to a rock on a hillside i was happy...stepping into the serious side is an eye opener...the learning curve for these things is a bit different than for my FTR or PRS rigs, but damn if it aint more fun

@kcstott

3 жыл бұрын

@@howiefeltersnatch7716 I shoot F open and yeah BPCR is apples and oranges to smokeless loads

Hi: question; can you just use a regular cartridge, i mean no paper patch? Just brass lead powder? Thanks

@kcstott

Ай бұрын

Within reason yes. And what I mean by that is. To maintain any sort of accuracy you need to manage fouling. You can do that with a grease groove bullet and the appropriate lube on the bullet. What you need to understand is this rifle and the paper patched bullet is nothing more than a snapshot in time of the evolution of the rifle and metallic cartridge. You could step back in time a few decades before this rifle and shoot paper cartridges. Or you could step forward a decade from this rifle and shoot a 45-70. You could even go so far as to load a 45-70 with smokeless powder and not have to deal with all the cleaning. So yes you could just load brass lead and powder and call it good, as long as you take care of bullet lube and fouling control.

world class shooter, Kenny Wasserberger shoots his 45-110, nicknamed The Hell Bitch, at 1 mile.

@kcstott

2 жыл бұрын

Yes sir he does and he has guided many on their path to success including me.

Do you think it would be more accurate with paper patch bullets, or regular lead bullets? Can you run modern smokeless powder out of it?

@kcstott

2 жыл бұрын

For short to mid range work Grease groove or Paper patch makes little difference. It is at long range where the paper patch shines. They fly better. You can use smokeless in Shiloh's But not the 2-7/8" case. At least it's not advised as the case is just huge and there's no reason to use a case that big with smokeless. If I were to run smokeless in a Sharps it would be in a 2 1/8" case, A 45-70 or something similar. you can get all the velocity you need with a smaller easier to get brass case. Be careful though. Not all Sharps are rated for Smokeless. Nothing imported will be Nitro proofed.

@blaiseuriarte8296

2 жыл бұрын

@@kcstott Perhaps I am on the crazy side, but I would really like to see how a .45-110 would do with smokeless and jacketed bullets. I have to imagine the sharps can manage it if it is made out modern steel. Id think you could easily push .458 Win Mag territory.

Quick question. What RCBS mold are you recommending to stay away from. I have the model RCB57926. They're dropping with pure lead, ladle poured at .452" diameter, running 1.385" in length and weighing in at 536 grains. I hope I didn't buy the wrong mold.I haven't received my rifle yet, it's exactly as yours minus the upgraded sights and the same initials. Order was placed the 1st week of 2020. They just finished 2019 rifles earlier this month, and should start making mine soon. They said I may get it around October. I've bought my Swiss 1.5f powder and have 52 pieces of stretched Starline 45-90 brass from Buffalo Arms. I also got my 9# onion skin paper for paper patching from them. I also don't see the pdf file for the Marston application. Thanks for any info you have for a greenhorn.

@kcstott

3 жыл бұрын

RCBS only makes one mold for the 45 in a paper patch. it's too big unless you desire to reduce load your 45-110. Paper should be Seth cole 55Y. mold should be a (Buffalo arms .446 545gr) that will wrap to .4495" CORRECTED MY INFO SORRY I'll double check the pdf link I thought i posted it.

@ilanbankston6330

3 жыл бұрын

@@kcstott found the paper you recommended. Only found 2 molds on Buffalo Arms with those dimensions. Is this the one you got from them? .446" 530 Elliptical Grain Paper Patch Bullet Mold 1-Cavity Flat Base

@kcstott

3 жыл бұрын

@@ilanbankston6330 I shoot the money bullet profile. There is no reason to shoot anything else. part numbers are JIM446545M they drop 540gr with 1:16 alloy or 545gr pure lead. I corrected my post above sorry for the confusion.

@ilanbankston6330

3 жыл бұрын

@@kcstott thanks

@kcstott

3 жыл бұрын

@@ilanbankston6330 No problem. good luck to you.

Interesting video. However, the rear sight on my Shiloh 45-110 works just fine out to 200 yards, 6 inch groups. I tried the vernier sight but that did not work out as well as the original buckhorn. I used the buckhorn on my bison hunt at 160 yards hit within two inches of aiming point in the neck. Instant kill.

@kcstott

3 жыл бұрын

Didn't work out as well how? Two really different sights. Buck horn even a full buck is a quick and dirty "close enough" sight. and on bison I'm sure it's fine out to about 400 yards. but that also means you must have the correct front sight too. For the Buck horn rear you should have a silver blade front sight. For the vernier you nearly have to have a globe sight. The vernier sight is a more precise and repeatable sight. It's just horribly slow to adjust. and if you wear bifocals like I do it's difficult and time consuming to read and set

@normanbraslow7902

3 жыл бұрын

kcstott Interesting observations. I first had the blade front with the standard buckhorn. With my eyes, I need bifocals too, the blade sight wobbled too much, so I put a globe sight on. That was much better. Much better, 3-4 inches at 250 yards. I then got the vernier peep sight, and my groups opened up to more than double that. I burned a lot of powder to see if it improved, being careful to load the cartridges exactly the same as when using the buckhorn. I even weighed the slugs to be sure there were no air bubbles. It was a fail. The groups refused to tighten up. Back to the buckhorn. All was well again. And I hit my bison cleanly.

@denisdegamon8224

3 жыл бұрын

You can do alot better than that with some load development. Both of mine shoot just a hair over one minute of angle or approx 1" at 100 yards and 2-2.5" at 200 yards. If your using GOEX powder it likes compression. I compressed my 4570 loads around 3/8" with a card wad using a compression die first, before seating the bullet.

@normanbraslow7902

3 жыл бұрын

Denis Degamon most of my problem is my eyes. Never were all that good in the first place, and age is not helping much. I don't do any competition shooting, so I've probably got the loads as reasonably accurate as I can expect. For hunting at no more than 100 yards, it will do. Oddly, much of my shooting enjoyment is smelling the black powder smoke--I never use the substitutes--and the thunderous boom. At the local range I kind of get a kick out of usually being the only one with a real wood stock. It does get a fair amount of comments.

@kcstott

3 жыл бұрын

@@normanbraslow7902 Hadley eye cup helps. and there are optics available but if you're only shooting 100 yards a good buck horn sight is all that's needed. I'm trying to get a load good enough to shoot 1000 yards

What a great video, an hour long and we didn't see the gun shoot.

@kcstott

2 жыл бұрын

Obviously that was not the point. There are hundreds if not thousands of videos on rifles like this shooting. Also with near zero usable information. I make informative instructional videos. I do not make entertainment.

Waiting on mine for almost 2 years and now I have advanced prostate cancer.

@kcstott

2 жыл бұрын

I hope you can enjoy it before you leave this earth. My father passed from brain cancer. My heart goes out to you sir.

Hell, I waited five and a half years for mine.

@kcstott

2 жыл бұрын

Well I cut two full years off my wait using Bill Goodman's services. Unfortunetly shiloh has never slowed down

@garymiller5416

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I heard their business literally exploded after Quigley came out. I managed to get mine a lot sooner like Kerry did by going through Bill Goodman. Bill is a great guy who knows his Sharps and has been doing this for many, many years.

Do you have contact information for Mr. Goodman to purchase a place in line?

@kcstott

Жыл бұрын

Link is in the description

If you had it to do over again, would it be a 45-110?

@kcstott

6 ай бұрын

Yes, but in a long range express or a business rifle. both of those have shotgun stocks. And I'd get it with a scope too.

What barrel twist rate does your rifle have

@kcstott

Жыл бұрын

1:18"

@JamesJones-gs1wn

Жыл бұрын

@@kcstott I'm waiting on my Hartford from shiloh. I was watching your video to learn how you paper patch good video

how different is this to the pedersoli version? I get its not American but what else?

@kcstott

Жыл бұрын

I've never seen a Pedersoli in person, From pictures that i've seen, what I can say is the fit and finish is better on the Shilo. I believe the chambers are different as well. and you will not see a Pedersoli being competitive in a match. And the sights on the Pedersoli are said to be inferior to the MVA sights. The Pedersoli is not a custom gun, you can't call them and get a custom rifle made. You get what they make. and really for not much less money. That said if I just wanted a gun to shoot and didn't want to wait, Yeah I'd buy a a Pedersoli if i could take a real good look at it. The biggest issue with Shiloh is the wait to get one. 2 years plus most of the time. But the quality and the ability to get exactly what you like, thats what sets Shiloh apart from the rest. You are buying a custom rifle.

@colinbell8502

Жыл бұрын

@@kcstott I got to see them side by side yesterday. The 45-70 Pedersoli was for sale, the shiloh 45-100 wasn't, but promised 1st refusal. everything about them both was the same, but the quality of the Shiloh was evident.obviously the 45-100 had a longer breech. to buy 2nd hand it will end up 3 times more.

@keganje

6 ай бұрын

I have both, the Shiloh I bought used last May, the feller I bought it from, I am told, waited 4.5 years for it, in the early 2000's, it is in like new condition, I paid (4000) probably more than it was worth, but not as much as I would have. It just looks better, better fit and finish, my Shiloh has the fancy stock, Its my Sunday special occasion gun, I shoot it once a month or so, but it hangs on the wall. I bought a used Pedersoli 45-70 a month or so ago, for 1500.00 it is in very good shape and it is my every day rifle. I also have a couple of Henry 45-70, both single shot and Lever, and a original Springfield trapdoor, 140 years old and shoot great!. Along with a uberti High wall, 45-70, which I really like to shoot but since they have such poor customer service I will not own another one.

Should I get a 14lb bull barrel or just hey oct? Want 45-70

@kcstott

6 ай бұрын

If you plan to shoot silhouette the rifle will be too heavy. Silhouette requires a BP rifle to be 12.2 pound max. If that's not a concern In 45-70 the rifle will be heavy enough for most. but if you have any issues with recoil tolerance then yeah maybe you should get the bull barrel.

@richardallen4568

6 ай бұрын

Thanks for the feedback. Your video was very helpful. Digging through the web page was difficult. So many things that aren’t explained. I called them too but that didn’t help much. Again thank you. Oh… I have a Winchester 1886 reproduction 45-70 and it kicks the ever loving you know what out of me. My arm looked like yours for a week or more.

Hi Kerry, Thanks for the info on Reddog. Ordered one. I'd like to contact Bill Goodman. Would you mind sharing his contact info, please?

@kcstott

Жыл бұрын

Bill Goodman 280 W. Kagy Blvd. Suite D #152, Bozeman, Mt 59715 TEL. 406-587-3131 FAX 406-219-3415 montanaraven@hotmail.com 9 AM to 5 PM Mountain Standard Time

@nieuportflyer

Жыл бұрын

Thank you, sir

Being it's black powder, I thought you did not have to deal with a FFL transfer form. So why do these? They are black powder.

@lorenlieder9789

3 жыл бұрын

Because they are able to shoot modern factory ammo. And they use brass cases.

@kcstott

3 жыл бұрын

To be clear. An FFL is required in every state these rifles are shipped to in the US. Black powder has little to do with it. The exemptions that apply to modern made replica black powder firearms are Muzzle loaders (Match, flint, wheel, or percussion) or breach loading percussion. The firearms are exempt and not recognized at the federal level as a firearm. The replica antique firearm exemption only applies to muzzle loaders. The Shiloh sharps fires a fixed cartridge. Regardless of propellent type it must go through an FFL. A real sharps from the period would be labeled a true antique due to manufacture prior to 1899. and is cash and carry nearly everywhere.

This man seem to have made a meal out of telling people about this gun. I think first he should of oiled the parts, they looked very dry to me. I've had one of these in 45/70 from Pedersoli for a good ten years now, and shot it out to 1000 yards at Bisley ranges in England, where I'm from, with smokeless and blackpowder, with home cast heads from 340grs to 550grs. I'm sorry to say, but I got a bit bored with it after an hour, but as long as he's happy with it, then it's ok.

@kcstott

11 ай бұрын

You were warned, 🤣 and yes If I did live in England I'd have to keep her wet with oil. I live in southern California where we don't get much rain nor is the humidity very high. Well except when we get a stupid hurricane blow through once every 50 years. So we just wipe the oil on then back off again. The gun could sit like that for twenty years and not have a spec of rust on it. If you think you were bored watching it think of the poor sap that made it. I had to cut the crap down from nearly two hours of me yammering and all the um's and ah's... I could probably use a speech therapist Take care

I have been waffling on ordering one for 5 years. I need to just do it I guess.

@kcstott

3 жыл бұрын

What were you looking at getting? i.e. Caliber and model? And again Look up Bill Goodman at www.shiloh-ballard.com/ Cut you wait time down a lot.

@normanbraslow7902

3 жыл бұрын

At least get the down payment in and then save. Save, save, save. You'll have time. Get the cases, paper patch mold, reloading dies, the proper cotton paper and black power. Not substitutes. It may be a year or more to get the rifle. It WILL be worth it. Mine is. I forgot one thing. As soon as you know when the rifle will be delivered, make reservations for a bison hunt.

@TheFlanman10

3 жыл бұрын

@@kcstott Looking at getting .45-90 from what I hear that will do plenty for what I need without the hassle of finding brass. My intention is to make my own powder since I cannot get it shipped up here but I have not had a chance to experiment much with it yet. Now you have me wanting to get the Shotgun style stock rather than the military style after seeing your arm. I am not recoil sensitive but I do bruise.

@denisdegamon8224

3 жыл бұрын

You might want to give Shiloh Sharps a call and see if they have any built on the rack. I did that and picked up a Montana Rough Rider with a semi fancy wood stock in 45/70 and got it delivered in a few days to a local FFL.

@normanbraslow7902

3 жыл бұрын

Denis Degamon When I was there Shiloh had several available. Not infrequently folks order them, and when they get the final bill they bail out. However, none were the simple models, none were 45-70 and most if not all had the better grade wood. All were beautiful. The Shiloh fellow there said they don't last very long at all, no matter the caliber or anything else. In our words, you don't have any time to ponder a decision.

Do you have a link to the belt?

@kcstott

Жыл бұрын

that was made by Red dog leather, he has an ebay and facebook page.

@nieuportflyer

Жыл бұрын

​@@kcstott Thank you, Sir.

@nieuportflyer

Жыл бұрын

Who's a good source for the sheath?

@kcstott

Жыл бұрын

@@nieuportflyer I made mine. very simple to do just time consuming. Dixie gun works has one. It must be an import as cheep as it is. that $80 would not cover the cost of materials let alone labor. www.dixiegunworks.com/index/page/product/product_id/7379/category/345/category_chain/578,348,345/product_name/SA4534+FRINGED+RIFLE+CASE+--+60%22

Великолепное оружие

Damn, and I thought my 45.70 Sharps was insane. I dropped an Elk with one shot with it. This round would have splattered him. I bet you ain't shoulder firing this weapon in the field.

@kcstott

3 жыл бұрын

no not really. This is just my opinion, First off there is burn rate of the powder. in a 2 7/8" case 104 grains is all that will burn properly and not throw unburnt powder out the barrel. this is true will all black powder guns. second is all the 2 7/8 case gives you is an extra 30gr of powder capacity. what it really allows for is a heavier bullet to be seated further out. so your 45-70 shooting a 400 grain at 1400-1500 fps well my 45-110 can push a 540gr at 1300 fps. so that's 2000 Flbs/E for your 45-70 and 2267 Flbs/E for the 45-110 not really all that much different. I'm trying to get the loads up to 1500 FPS with the 540gr bullet but I don't think its possible. If I can that would be 2700 Flbs/E. Problem is you feel all of it on the shoulder. Not fun

@donrussell1881

3 жыл бұрын

@@kcstott oh no brother, I said it's my favorite. As far as it goes, the 458 Winchester is the most powerful and accurate, I only said my 45'70 is my favorite.

@kcstott

3 жыл бұрын

@@donrussell1881 Keep in mind. And I'm not recommending it. The 45-70 with smokeless loads, modern brass and Shiloh action can handle Ruger #1 load data. which is closer to 458 win mag. I also own a 458 Lott and I'm building a 416 Rigby on a 1917 Enfield action. Good stuff. If I was to take this rifle hunting I'd be using a reduced load. or a lighter bullet. Depending on the animal of course.

@wilmamcdermott3065

2 жыл бұрын

My 4590 new winchester miruko shoots 400 grain hard cast 2350 fps more than enough power

@donrussell1881

2 жыл бұрын

@@wilmamcdermott3065 yes, my friend, but what are you hunting? Elephant, cape buffalo or walrus? The 45'79 will drop a Buffalo or any other north American game, including a grizzly bear. It's all I'll ever need. Have fun though, I love shooting large caliber weapons.

I bought a pedersoli 4570 special long range. And i bought 4590 in a winchester mirouko 1886 love it but hate the stupid safty and lack of half cock

@kcstott

3 жыл бұрын

the safety can be deleted, and a half cock notch can be modified. thing is it's not exactly cheep.

that was two weeks ago...

@kcstott

3 жыл бұрын

what was two weeks ago??

A few points…Shilohs website is horrible…it’s hard to figure out. The worst part is they take your money but you don’t lock in a price…that’s a ripoff that I’ve never heard of…that’s the idea of making a deposit. Last, even their premium walnut stocks are fairly plain compared to that used for double guns like Fox. If I buy one bit would be through Bill.

@kcstott

2 жыл бұрын

and those are the reasons I went through Bill, everything you mention. The issue with price protection, well they don't raise prices often. I've been drooling over that Quigley for a long time and they only raised the price $400 in 10 years so it's not bad all things considered. But yeah if you put a deposit down it should lock in the price

Your wrong on the time. My first one the quigley was 18 months. That was four or five years ago. My last one in a carbine was 16 months which I’m picking up in July. Just saying somebody is blowing hot air.

@kcstott

Жыл бұрын

Just because you got your rifle in 18 months doesn't mean I'm wrong. The lead time varies considerably on these rifles and It depends on when you order it. Little did I know they start production on the Quigley's late in the year at least that's what they did when I ordered mine. My rifle took 12 months to get with a jump in line from Mr. Goodman and the Bryant's were stating 2 years plus at the time. Keep in mind these are custom ordered so how you configure your rifle determines the lead time. Your carbine is a simpler build so less lead time.

Everyone at my local range has an AR15 that is far more lethal and less expensive than the Sharps. Some may even be more accurate. still, if I showed up at the range with one of these Shiloh Sharps, everyone would come over to fondle it.

@garymiller5416

2 жыл бұрын

That poodle shooter is no where near the range, accuracy, and lethality of a Sharps. They are some fine shooters for their own application if you pick the right one, don't misunderstand me, but Shiloh Sharps are in a class all by themselves.

That is completely unnecessary…and i want it

@kcstott

2 жыл бұрын

Well It seemed out of reach for longer then I care to admit. But I finally got it.

What's the cost on it?

@kcstott

3 жыл бұрын

$3600 list but once you factor in taxes, shipping, insurance, and transfer fees. it was $5026.00

@michaelcribbin7704

3 жыл бұрын

@@kcstott thank

Why would anyone use a rifle that destroys shoulder ... For the life of me I cannot get it.

@kcstott

10 ай бұрын

Everyone is different, and we like things for different reasons.

@keganje

6 ай бұрын

Ah that's ridiculous! I have one of these in 45-70, actually I own 6 45-70's of various makes models, a 45-110 is not that much worse than a hot 45-70. At first I will admit my shoulder was sore after 20 rounds, but I bought a good quality pad, modified it a bit, and now I will go out and shoot 40-50 rounds at one sitting, with NO pain what so ever. I am 64 BTW. Plus the pain is part of the fun.

Good content, but you will lose many audience members by the lengthiness and pacing.

@kcstott

2 жыл бұрын

Not my concern

Nice gun but the C. Sharps Arms guns are better.

@kcstott

2 жыл бұрын

I never said C. Sharps was a bad gun but to each their own. So what in your opinion makes them better?? I will advise you though the C sharps would not exist if it were not for Shiloh. Shiloh use to make the actions for C. Sharps.

@MittenJim

Жыл бұрын

Oh blah, blah, blah blah.

@keganje

6 ай бұрын

Right they are both made in Big Timber Montana, I understand they used to be one company but had a falling out. I was in Montana last fall, stopped at Shiloh and asked if they would look my rifle over, the guy took it apart checked it out thought it had only about 200 rounds through it, he cleaned and lubricated it, and even leveled my MVA sight. There are various video here on KZread of the factory, it looks just like that, and I have a picture of my rifle being adjusted on the same work bench they do final assembly.@@kcstott