Great laser two of then would be awesome!

GR8 Mate

I appreciate the review - as well as the shout out about regulations and safety! I was a lighting designer for years and for a while toyed with starting a laser light show business, but once I started looking into the regulations - it just wasn't worth it. My knowledge is a tad dated, but in the US, any laser that is a class 3B (5mw - 499.9mw) or 4 (500mw or higher) are regulated by the FDA and you aren't really supposed to be able to purchase one without an approved variance (Form FDA-3147) - the one you referred to. You also need them for shows (depending). Curious if you needed one? You are correct about distance - any beam that has an effective radiation greater than 5mw must be kept 3 meters above, or 2.5 meters aside or below, the audience (ostensibly to prevent reflective things from being tossed into the beam). There are LOTS of other requirements that I've since forgotten. Outdoors there are additional requirements as well - for example, you cannot have an unterminated beam (one that goes into the sky) without filing a plan and getting approval from the FAA - including the start and end times of when any unterminated beams may be in use (if approved, they close the airspace - assuming you can still do that anymore). Last I knew, scanning an audience was not allowed, but perhaps that changed. Regulations aside - these are POWERFUL lasers. These are Class 4 - the strongest category and can destroy your retina in a split second. Please be careful - and consider the risk if you use these with an audience - you could blind someone (or yourself). Also - I like Shehds for what they are - decent for the price - but there is no interlock or keyswitch on this and they are required for a laser of the advertised power (anything above 1/2 watt). There is also a lack of Class rating label for the US that I could see? Seems a bit sus. Personally, I avoid lasers despite my appreciation of them. Thanks again! BTW - KPPS is your scanner head speed. Higher is better. www.fda.gov/radiation-emitting-products/home-business-and-entertainment-products/laser-light-shows www.ilda.com/ Variance: www.fda.gov/media/72256/download

@KrisSzanto

3 ай бұрын

Thanks for the information. I was able to find a lot of it. My understanding is that anyone can purchase them but needs the variance to operate them in a public setting. I more recently started hearing about the keylock, and no, it doesn't have one. I do not remember seeing that a number of years ago though. Do you know if there is a power drop when the laser is split into multiple beams? I imagine that it has to be significantly less dangerous when it is spread out into a liquid sky type effect opposed to a single straight beam. Or would that be false? I have only used mine twice in public, but just used it high above to show animations on an opposite wall. Most places here wont allow haze.

@jstamets

3 ай бұрын

​@@KrisSzanto ​Ok, this got long. Sorry - lots to cover. I'm not an expert and my knowledge is dated, but I tried to brush up on the current regs. To take and educated stab at this, I need to assume that the laser output is what is being described - two 800mW and one 1500mW combined output. If Shehds is doing something different, then this is all moot, but still worth considering. But based on this safety bulletin, I suspect not (also, it explicitly calls out that you need to have an approved variance to purchase). www.fda.gov/radiation-emitting-products/home-business-and-entertainment-products/laser-products-and-instruments The reason you need a variance to sell, purchase or do a show is because you are considered a manufacturer. This is due to a 1977 ruling that states, in part, "The creation of this new product [laser light show] may involve the addition of such components as display screens, mirrors, smoke/fog and optics but may result from merely changing the intent and use of the original laser." So, just changing the intent or use is enough to make you a Manufacturer. It also states when "a manufacturer desires to introduce into commerce a demonstration laser product that cannot comply..." with the regs, etc. then they need a variance. These are linked below in the "Variance information" links. So there it is. Introduce into commerce is the gotcha - it can mean both introducing the device into a market, as in a sale/purchase of the device, or introducing it into a market as a product or service as the show itself. As for the three separate lasers, they are combined into one beam, so the sum of the power is what would matter since all three could potentially enter the eye simultaneously. When measuring the output with a meter, all beams need to be on and at max power. They all act on the sensor simultaneously and that's what is recorded for measured power. That said, all three of the laser sources you mentioned in the review (thank you for those values, by the way) are in excess of 500mW each and therefore you actually have three Class 4 lasers in that box. As for the rest, well, it gets complicated. First, the variance. Anytime we need to break the rules, we need a variance... and there are a lot of rules. One is max allowable power for a laser in a show. It's 5mW. Think laser pointer. This isn't enough power for a show, so we need a variance. CFR 1040.11 specifically limits "demonstration laser products" to Class I, IIa, II, or IIIa (

My American dj micro galaxian ii have this laser diodes. 30mW green diode and 80mW red diode. I always avoid looking to the beams directly and I mount it in a safe position to prevent form people loosing eye vision. Even American dj specification said it complied with FDA standards.

@KrisSzanto

3 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching and commenting! How do u like the galaxian?

@christhekid674

3 ай бұрын

⁠@@KrisSzantoI got to say it’s really nice for only a $100 it’s not that bad it also comes with the remote. I used it outside my backyard at a party and I have it aimed down away from sky. It said it was FDA standards and they were right

Can any one comment on the ILDA mode... this is my first laser mainly for home use and parties... if I understand correctly an ILDA port will let the user make some custom elements and allow for more flexible use... I saw the ILDA mode listed in the menus, but I don't understand how how or where one would connect an ILDA cable... am I missing something?

Great video, can you set projection zones so the beams don’t reach the audiance/crowd? Please let me know considering buying one!

@erkron

9 ай бұрын

I'm not sure if this one can do it as such because it is not full software and only DMX control. Of course you can set the maximum height to achieve that but I would recommend going a step up and getting a laser with ILDA control. WIth this you can set the zones as you wish in the software, much more flexible and also can do much more than what is in this guy's program. With that said it's pretty cool for the price!

@jeroenvanderspek288

9 ай бұрын

@@erkron hey thanks for the amazing response thats all i wanted to know, i already have a ilda supported 1w but i already dj so i dont have time for al those controlls

@whpinc

8 ай бұрын

@@Partyatmosphere what does this mean?

Can you maybe do a rewiew of the Light4Me Twin Beam 210 and btw i watched every one of your videos and sorry for the bad english...

@KrisSzanto

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching. Your English is just fine, no need to apologize. If I can get my hands on one I would be happy to.

Hi Kris, great video! I bought this one and the music mode/sound mode always black out so it's useless as standalone and I don't care for the cheesy cartoon animations and the few patterns. Shehds won't take it back for this reason and I wonder how to get more out of it without buying into the chauvet system. The adapters are more $$$ than the laser itself. I've tried the shehds dmx controller with it but there is not much more control available using the sliders. Any ideas? Thanks.

@KrisSzanto

12 күн бұрын

There is a lot more control using a dmx controller. What controller - how many channels - The dmx control is a bit tricky to get around, but one you know it there's alot.

Hey Kris I just purchased two of these bad boys but I can’t get my dmx cable to fit in the ip65 cable to control it. Are you using some sort of adapter to from the ip65 to dmx or is mine just the wrong cable lol (I’m US by the way)

@KrisSzanto

8 ай бұрын

Oh yes.. its to protect it from water.. cant remember, i think it took me a minute. Can remeber of i just worked it in or there was a second cable... i have to check when I am home, but it is 3 pin dmx right?

@ChrisBower-wh3lp

8 ай бұрын

It’s a 3pin, just seems way off from the size of my standard 3 pin dmx cable. Also the 3 prong pattern seems a bit different. Thanks so much for the help!

@KrisSzanto

8 ай бұрын

Oh you know what.. im pretty sure the in and out are mis labeled. So i think that isbactually the out

@karlramsey8418

7 ай бұрын

SUUUPPPPEERRR tight fit buddy but it does work :)

Is it strong enough to throw the beam across a hotel or convention center ball?

@KrisSzanto

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching. It is pretty solid for at least 200ft. I was outside, but trying to keep it pointed down.

@karlramsey8418

7 ай бұрын

@@KrisSzanto As long as your not over a 45 degree angle the light has no issues as far as planes etc. In fact anything under 75 degrees should be ok.

How does this one compare to their other 3W non ip rated laser? I'm not sure which one to get.

@KrisSzanto

12 күн бұрын

Sorry, I do not know.

how do i get a list of the numbers to use for each pattern or effect, when programming? I am using it with my light-0-rama christmas light show programmed to music.

@karlramsey8418

7 ай бұрын

literally trial and error as sheds never wrote in all 200+ scenes. Find your scene and then write it down on paper. Thats the best I got from them. I use this light with a 24 channel dmx and my second light is a ILDA 3 watt running of printer port to usb off laptop. Always remember too, Do not forget the mid level fog or haze as it makes the beams pop :) Spectacular If I may say !!

@whpinc

7 ай бұрын

@@karlramsey8418 wow, thanks! I guess I need to get some DMX software to try to test it with... very difficult to test using the LOR system. THANKS!

@Partyatmosphere

7 ай бұрын

Id like to see your display can you please post a link

@whpinc

7 ай бұрын

@@Partyatmosphere which part specifically and I will make one for you

@Partyatmosphere

7 ай бұрын

@@whpinc lasers in a lightOrama display sounds awesome

I have two of these and I can't get them in master slave configuration. Do I have to have them on a DMX controller in order to do so?

@KrisSzanto

7 ай бұрын

I do not have access to the manual at the moment and not sure. I would try simply setting the second fixture to dmx 001. So 1st one on auto or whatever you want and the second to dmx 001. Do not need controllers to use master slave.

@Partyatmosphere

7 ай бұрын

@@KrisSzanto thank you for the quick response. I was messing with those types of settings trying to get it to work but I hadn't tried the configuration that you mentioned. I'll let you know how it goes. The manual as you already know is very little help

@KrisSzanto

4 ай бұрын

Did you get it figured out?

@Partyatmosphere

4 ай бұрын

@@KrisSzanto no, actually I didn't.

What’s a god controller for this lighting?

@KrisSzanto

9 ай бұрын

Any dmx controller that has enough channels will work fine. Thanks for watching. I personally prefer dmx software based control at this point.

@KrisSzanto

9 ай бұрын

@karlramsey8418 Hey... i am sorry. I am not home and can not remember how many channels it has. There are always a few options depending how much control you want. The more... the more. Lol

@jasonmartinez3161

7 ай бұрын

Which software do you use? I just got this and have a DMX controller, but I think the software option would be easier and have more features. Thanks

@karlramsey8418

7 ай бұрын

@@jasonmartinez3161 I went on pangolin and got the DMX dongle using cat connection

@KrisSzanto

7 ай бұрын

@@jasonmartinez3161 Hi. I am currently using Chauvet Showexpress.

Bought one of these and I noticed that the laser is not aligned properly. I have to move the unit towards right to get it centered. Not a big issue. Just wondering if other units have the same issue.

@KrisSzanto

8 ай бұрын

I didnt notice this, but you can make some adjustments in the settings.

@karlramsey8418

7 ай бұрын

goto test pattern on the menu and you can move it around if your having issues

These lasers are NOT FDA approved and illegal to use in the United States... unfortunately. Because the price is what they should be.

@KrisSzanto

11 ай бұрын

Hi, thanks for your comment. I have been searching all over to find definitive information on this. If you know where I can verify your statement, please let me know. I have been reading a lot of statutes and its hard to make sense of it all.

@IowaEliteProductions

11 ай бұрын

Hi @@KrisSzanto, Yeah, it took me a few months back in 2019 to figure all of this out. We were using Laserworld lasers at the time. We do a laser light show and basically found out after a lot of research, that they had lost their manufacturer's variance with the FDA. So in order for us to be in compliance, we couldn't use them. We do mainly indoor shows, so we use LightSpace 3, 5.5 & 12 Watt lasers. There are only a few laser companies that are FDA approved. Off the top of my head, I can think of Kvant, X-Laser & LightSpace. There are just a handful of others. There are two different types of lasers variances: Product Variance (Manufacturer's Variance): This type of variance is obtained by a manufacturer or distributor of laser products (including lasers used in laser shows). It allows them to legally sell laser products in the United States that may not fully comply with certain FDA laser safety regulations but are determined to be safe for their intended use. This variance typically includes specific conditions and requirements that must be met to ensure the safety of the laser product when used as intended. Exhibition Variance (User Variance): This type of variance is obtained by an individual or company that plans to use lasers for a specific exhibition or laser show. It allows them to operate lasers in a manner that may deviate from strict FDA laser safety regulations, provided that the proposed use is safe for both participants and the general public. This variance includes details about the laser equipment, the planned use, safety measures, and other relevant information. So basically the manufacturer needs to have one to sell it and the user needs one to use it. It is quite a process, but definitely worth it if you use them around crowds at all. Basically if you are not in compliance and your laser happens to injure someone's eyes, start a fire, etc, there is no insurance that will cover you if you are not in compliance. There is definitely no simple way to figure it all out...lol. I ended up befriending a couple guys in the FDA and they let me pester them with questions until I got most of it figured out. Most of your answers can be found on the FDA website here: www.fda.gov/radiation-emitting-products/home-business-and-entertainment-products/laser-light-shows and to see if a manufacture has a variance, you can look that up here: www.regulations.gov/ If they have submitted, been denied or have received their variance, it will be on this site. The price alone should tell you that this company is not selling a regulated laser. But once they take the time to get it, that price won't be there for long..lol. A lot of the problem I found out from speaking to a lot of manufacturers in China, is really the language barrier. They just don't understand exactly what they need and/or how to do it. As a manufacturer, there are quite a few hurdles they have to jump over to get it and some would just rather sell as many as they can without it, because there are quite a few people that just don't understand what is really required and will buy it anyway. They also take a chance that they are not stopped and destroyed at customs. Even if they are, they are built so cheaply, they will normally just send another one. In our first round of applying for our variance, we were denied because of the Laserworld lasers being on our approval sheet. So after waiting weeks, we finally received a denial letter and had to resubmit and get rid of them. They were only 1 watt lasers, so no great loss. Any laser over 5 milliwatts needs an FDA variance. I am no expert, but just a guy that has done a ton of research over the last few years to figure this out for our own company. If you have any other questions, please feel free to contact me anytime.

@erkron

9 ай бұрын

Tricky, they do claim a bunch of stuff on their website " Our products have passed safety tests including CE, ROHS, UL, FCC, TP, TC, SAA and more. The company is on the way to one of the most recognized and trusted brands in the stage lighting industry. Our commitment is to provide exceptional customer service. To ensure speedy delivery, we own multiple warehouses in the United States, Spain, France, Czech Republic and Russia. " So if they have one in the US I would assume they have tried to passed the tests there too, otherwise they would get shut down? Who knows :D

@IowaEliteProductions

9 ай бұрын

@@erkron Never assume anything with these companies. They may have some great stuff and great prices, but I can guarantee you that their lasers are not FDA compliant or licensed. Take the chance if you want. Not worth it for any legit company to use them. By the time they finally get shut down, they will have made their money and don't give a crap.. then all the fools in the US that bought them will be left with lasers they will never be able to use in a compliant setting. But, if you are small time and just don't care, then go for it. It's just like LaserWorld lasers. They let their license lapse because they didn't want to mess with it and it didn't hurt them a bit, because they sell so many over seas where there is no compliance needed. I guess it only matters to the user of the laser, if they end up burning down a place or putting someone's eye out...lol. Then whoever is using them will be whining about it. Until that happens... hey... these are cheap and seem to work ok, so let's use them... what a great deal.

@aranwizard

8 ай бұрын

@@erkronsaying you’ve a warehouse in the US and having one are not the same. I know nothing FYI, just playing devils advocate