cp3 said he wears the number #3 cause of ai

@anthonypierre2094

Ай бұрын

That adds nothing to the conversation. What does that have to do with anything?

@taxidrivernwo

Ай бұрын

That has nothing to do with who was better.

@mikee3261

Ай бұрын

@@anthonypierre2094it wouldn’t be a Chris Paul if it wasn’t an Allen iverson that’s the point smart guy 😂😂😂

@mikee3261

Ай бұрын

@@anthonypierre2094teams wouldn’t even have took a chance with a small guard to be a franchise player before iverson. Do more research before you try to belittle other people comments

@reggiemeeks4339

Ай бұрын

@@mikee3261 that's false tiny archibald and isaiah thomas were doing their thing way before iverson teams still dont want to take a chance with a smaller players compared to a big forward or center he didn't change anything

Iverson was a cultural phenomenon.

A.I carried a team on his back to the finals

@user-cr5ts5fl6t

Ай бұрын

Pause

@ksager123

Ай бұрын

No Diddy

@Manny-nm8dh

Ай бұрын

​@ksager123 At least be creative. Yall have wore that word out in a couple months time.

@p00lboy

Ай бұрын

iverson DRAGGED that team to to the finals and the ONLY thing to stop him from getting that trophy was shaq n kobe

@BLGClipsx

Ай бұрын

@@p00lboydragged with the DPOY, 6MOTY, and Coach of the year on the same team? How is that dragged?

Iverson has 4 scoring titles, behind Jordan and Wilt, tied with Durant and Gervin, top 3. Three steals titles. Played 914 games, 71 playoff games, 1 Finals appearance. Won MVP in '01, but never finished top 3 in the voting outside of that. He played 41 minutes a game. CP3 has 5 assist titles and 6 steals titles. He's behind Stockton and Kidd in both all time assists and steals, top 3 in both categories. He'll catch Kidd in both if he keeps playing. Played 1272 games, 149 playoff games, 1 Finals appearance. CP3 got 2nd in MVP voting in '08 and 3rd in '12, so he was close twice. He played 34 minutes a game. I think it's a good question and not as automatic as people make it.

@pericopinero1035

Ай бұрын

Peak vs longevity

@erickiyoshiphillips2323

Ай бұрын

cp3 had a better career. Iverson time in Philly was and something u can't duplicate

@TheIcemanthomas

Ай бұрын

@@pericopinero1035even peak is debatable

@Artistically-Him

Ай бұрын

You talking bout stats vs basketball players

@qthequick

Ай бұрын

I recognize the importance of AI and what he means to the culture and style of play in the current nba…. But give me cp3 😂

Iverson’s peak is higher but CP3 career is better

@qthequick

Ай бұрын

Facts. AI peak higher but his fall off was quicker too. Think about the sixers after the 01 finals and AI stints in Denver and Detroit

@Jamar-lg9ob

Ай бұрын

​@@qthequickDenver he was all star too 5 in NBA in scoring

@qthequick

Ай бұрын

@@Jamar-lg9ob sure but was he honestly still ai from the sixers. Still cold but clearly lost a step and beat up pretty good by that time. I feel you tho. I know AI has special place in boys hearts because of what he means culturally and the great influence he has over how the game is played. Jordan and AI are the templates in switch wing players and small guards are built currently

@mikee3261

Ай бұрын

@@qthequickiverson averaged more points in Detroit than Chris Paul did most seasons in his whole career. You have no idea what you are talking about 😂😂

@qthequick

Ай бұрын

@@mikee3261 of course he did ai was one of the best volume scorers in league history. Cp3 was a true pg so he primarily was setting up others players and not prioritizing getting his shots up. You just heard bonzi say cp3 could’ve got 30 per if thats what he wanted to do. I guess bonzi don’t know what hell he’s talking about either 🤷🏾‍♂️😂 but if you like ai more because you prefer the scorer that’s fine. I prefer cp3 because he’ll take good players on the floor with him and get more out them. Basketball ain’t a complicated game and I’ve hooped a long time so I have some idea of what I’m talking about playboy 😂🤣✌🏾

A.I. CASE CLOSED

@kodyscot9360

Ай бұрын

Iverson led the league in scoring four times. plus he was regular season mvp .

@user-cr5ts5fl6t

Ай бұрын

Case opened

@penkima4923

Ай бұрын

@@kodyscot9360 With bad shooting splits, and a ton of turnovers. A.I. is among the least careful guards ever, while CP3 is among the most careful. A.I.'s position is debatable, but he was point guard size.

@Jitbo561

Ай бұрын

@@penkima4923 this must be CP himself because you're losing this case my guy

@penkima4923

Ай бұрын

@@Jitbo561 You having no arguments, means I'm winning the case.

Chris Paul is a hall of famer AI is a legend. There is levels to this.

@dsg3053

Ай бұрын

😂

@TheIcemanthomas

Ай бұрын

That doesn’t even make sense

@mrsplattv13

Ай бұрын

Iverson made the hallf of fame. Im confused

@manumalia

Ай бұрын

That made no sense lol. AI was more influential but it doesn’t mean he’s a better player. AI played no defense. Hard to tell who had the better career.

@kevinhousen2791

Ай бұрын

@@manumalia AI took a team to the finals. They changed the rules of the game and the dress code because of AI. AI is in that group of Magic, Bird, Shaq, Dr J, Jordan, LeBron, Curry, Kareem, Wilt, Russell, Kobe, Isaiah, West. The Best of the Best.

This being a debate is diabolical.

Allen iverson is the reason Chris Paul even thought #3 was a good number or cool

@p00lboy

Ай бұрын

facts

@CCF_Christopher

Ай бұрын

Marbury wore #3 as well. It was popular number for point guards

@kodyscot9360

Ай бұрын

Iverson led the league in scoring four times. plus he was regular season mvp .

@anthonypierre2094

Ай бұрын

That point has nothing to do with who had a better career.

@TheIcemanthomas

Ай бұрын

@@kodyscot9360Chris Paul led the league in assist 5 times and steals a record 6 times, is top 3 in both categories, and while he didn’t win it, he was as Tim the mvp convos for more than half of his career and did it for much longer

CP3 traditional point guard, AI second best combo guard behind Steph, AI was a better player, CP3 a better point guard

@g4lsupreme542

Ай бұрын

Like that answer a lot .. I wanted to say that cp3 has played with way more talent than iverson but that answer shut me up lol

@Jamar-lg9ob

Ай бұрын

Ai was better than Steph

@JRoyal504

Ай бұрын

Melo? ​@@g4lsupreme542

@johnsondoeboy2772

Ай бұрын

@@Jamar-lg9obdefinitely was

@BigDilf3

Ай бұрын

Ai wasn’t a pg so that statement is null in void

It's hard to compare... one was a point guard and the other was a scorer.. Iverson's averages are better... paul has better overall totals.. iverson was an MVP tho... scoring titiles at 6'0 is crazy and he got 4 of em.. plus, iverson wasn't seen as a guy that couldn't get the job done.. CP had some loaded teams and couldn't get em over the hump.. but he saved a couple franchises too.. im going AI, but he's also my fave player.. CP3 in hus prime had no weaknesses tho.. its close

People trippin on Ai he got 4 scoring tittles and was being doubled and tripled teamed

Both are personal favourites of mine so I love the comparison. CP played with far more skilled players and consistently deeper teams than Iverson. I give Iverson the nod for being able to take over games by himself. CP is a far better true PG, but AI was the better player who could be effective without other offensive options. Iverson with 4 scoring titles at 5'11 - The same as KD at 6'10, and more than Kobe and Tmac is insane to me. AI could pass the ball really well (he was a top 5 passer once he moved back to PG 2004/2005 ), play passing lanes like no other, hustle for loose balls etc. He just played with a different fire.

@penkima4923

Ай бұрын

"CP played with far more skilled players and consistently deeper teams than Iverson." CP3 had better offensive teammates, A.I. better defensive teammates. Blake was injured most seasons, so CP3 was mostly playing with DeAndre Jordan as his best teammate, during the Clippers years.

@TheIcemanthomas

Ай бұрын

It’s wild that y’all just act like the east conference vs west conf makes no impact

@Jitbo561

Ай бұрын

@@TheIcemanthomas They don't watch Basketball if they did they would know that Iverson played the 2 position and still led the league in Scoring and also won MVP and at that time the 2 was the prime position.

@Jitbo561

Ай бұрын

@@penkima4923 If you really watched. basketball you'll know and understand that Iverson played the 2 meaning he was guarded by players like Kobe, Ray Allen, Sprewell etc, he still held his own.

@ichirosuzuki2252

Ай бұрын

AI could ONLY be effective without other offensive options. History has shown that when AI plays with other elite offensive weapons (Carmelo) his game does not get stepped up significantly. When the Nuggets traded AI to the Pistons for Chauncy Billups, the Nuggets got better and went deeper in the playoffs and had better metrics, and the Pistons got worse. AI was an elite volume scorer with limited help, ie, he had a very high floor, but he had a low ceiling in terms of team offense. CP3's offense was a lot better for the team and honestly not even that significantly worse individually, he just got 10 dimes per game. CP3 is also astronomically better defensively in general. For me it isn't particularly close -- CP3 is a better point guard on teams where he isn't the only offensive option

Sheed talked about his influence, but that has nothing to do with the career...

@tayburke9804

Ай бұрын

What type of dumb shit is this smh

@penkima4923

Ай бұрын

It definitely doesn't have nothing to do with how good of a player he was. But I'm not ruling out influence having to do with the career, though.

@GodSon91

Ай бұрын

Bruh he had a MVP carried a team of non all stars to the finals cp3 didn’t carry a team by himself to the finals a.i. has 4 scoring titles my guy he’s just better than cp3 simple 😂

@TheIcemanthomas

Ай бұрын

@@GodSon91Iverson played in the trash 2000s eastern conference bud. Cp played in the WEST against all time greats

@GodSon91

Ай бұрын

@@TheIcemanthomaswho cares this generation don’t know basketball in what it took to be that small to carry a team with no star help in a tougher era A.I. a MVP end of discussion

Allen is my favorite player of all time and is an nba icon 💯CP3 is the better player💯

@Jamar-lg9ob

Ай бұрын

Ai better and had better career

I go along with the fact that AI carried his team for his whole career. AI was the the MJ of Philly or the Kobe of the Lakers. CP3 was an all-around great skillset player that made his teammates better.

@GoatedCulturePodcast

Ай бұрын

Actually no … Iverson never made ONE all defensive team , CP made like 10 … along with all nbas , u know who else did that ? MJ & Kobe ✅

@Jitbo561

Ай бұрын

@@GoatedCulturePodcast Iverson won an MVP how many does CP have?

@marcusjones2550

Ай бұрын

@@Jitbo561so does that make AI better than Wade or Isiah Thomas. Paul should’ve won in 2008, was a better shooter, facilitator, and defender than AI…. and played in a tougher conference.

@Jitbo561

Ай бұрын

@@marcusjones2550 They are not in the discussion and almost doesn't count by your response and they way you tried to change the narrative let's me know that you know CP didn't have a better career than Iverson.

Iverson's 2000-01 season in terms of individual performances is def top 5 in my mind. Never seen anyone like him. The closest we got was D-Rose but he couldn't keep healthy. I've seen a lot of CP3 type players. Iverson was not only a scoring machine, but steals king as well and decent at assists.

@Milehigh_

17 күн бұрын

Good point Iverson's '01 MVP season is very similar to Rose's '11 MVP season, 2 defensive teams with the best records in their conferences built around 1 superstar

Iverson is wayyy better than Chris Paul

@rods7028

Ай бұрын

No he's not

@younglove3362

Ай бұрын

If you're a nostalgic fan.

@shipitplease99999

Ай бұрын

His playoff record said otherwise.

@4ktkaram395

Ай бұрын

No he not it’s pretty close

@gmoneyboys1

Ай бұрын

​@@rods7028Paul not f*** with Chuck. AI allday

cp3 never single handedly led a team to the finals

@DanielRidore

Ай бұрын

AI never did either, y’all act like he carried a bunch of bums. Yet he played with the DPOY, the 6 man of the year AND he had the coach of the year on the 01 season. But keep pushing the “AI carried bums to the finals” narrative

@taxidrivernwo

Ай бұрын

CP3 played in the most competitive conference ever.

@mikeadams-dh2ol

Ай бұрын

But every team he went to he made better and if it wasn’t for injuries he would def have a ring

@KaevonDyer-sq3ho

Ай бұрын

​@DanielRidore yes he did bro what the he'll you talking about son ! Smh that team SUCK offensively

@ichirosuzuki2252

Ай бұрын

If CP3 played in the East, he would have went to multiple finals. The only person in his way would have been LBJ, and he'd have been able to take a few off him. At the very least he'd be going to the ECF nearly every year. He had to get through the Spurs, Kobe Lakers, Dirk Mavericks, Nash Suns, Warriors, Harden Rockets, Durant Thunder, etc. year in, year out. AI had much less significant challenges in the playoffs

Y'all are going off popularity

@Anonymous--Troll

Ай бұрын

Exactly…as does EVERYONE with AI

@p00lboy

Ай бұрын

no look at iverson assist vs minutes numbers in his all star games iverson dragged the 76ers to the finals and was only stopped by shaq n kobe

@kaycorpz7891

Ай бұрын

@@p00lboythat East was weak asl

@mprupt879

Ай бұрын

Negative A.I. was an elite scorer and led the league in steals. 1v1 A.I. wins

@shipitplease99999

Ай бұрын

@@mprupt879 you forget that ai never made the all defense team and cp made like 7

No way it’s as lopsided as they trying to make it seem … cp3 was the best at his position for a long time

@shipitplease99999

Ай бұрын

2010 to 2020, cp was always top 3 pg

@cesarbarbosa8875

Ай бұрын

And AI was a mvp

@daleedwards889

Ай бұрын

@@cesarbarbosa8875 1yr and none of his teams were real contenders other than 2001…he was MJ b4 Scottie, a lot of stats (scoring) but couldn’t win ish 🤷🏾‍♂️😂

@EdwinUrbina

Ай бұрын

These dudes are delusional. CP3s career is better and not even close.

@lilk1d777

Ай бұрын

Easily lopsided. AI one of the faces of the NBA when they didn't even want him to be that's how good he was

AI was so good he could carry a team, CP was so good he made the entire team better. CP contributed to winning on every team he was on. CP got Tyson Chandler paid David West paid, D Jordan paid, Blake Griffin had to learn to shoot 3s when CP left. They tried to send him to OKC and die, bro turn that into a playoff team.. career wise im takin the Point God !!

Chuck had to carry his team no way CP 3 better

@ksager123

Ай бұрын

Has nothing to do with who's better

@kushybeatz3144

Ай бұрын

@@ksager123 ok if you say so

@user-cr5ts5fl6t

Ай бұрын

The eastern conference was weak early 2k. Look at the big picture. The top 4 or 5 teams in the west would have won the title had the Lakers and Spurs not split it.

@TTJJCC

Ай бұрын

Chris Paul had to carry New Orleans.

@pharxahghxst3654

Ай бұрын

Cp3 has a higher IQ plays D and has a better understanding of the game. A leader a floor general and a better team player than A.I.

It's super close but i think Cp3 had the better career. AI's career ended sooner then it should have and them last yrs were rough. The question was who had the better basketball career but ppl can't seem to stay on topic and bring up stuff that's off topic.

Sheed immediately started talking about influence 🤦🏽‍♂️ giving him a “F” …

@freddycalipari4242

Ай бұрын

he gave his first hand experience then went on to speak on his game.

@mikee3261

Ай бұрын

Man you ain’t nobody. Complaining about somebody opinion is trash. Get a life

@GoatedCulturePodcast

Ай бұрын

@@freddycalipari4242 but he wasn’t supposed to incorporate the influence at all , notice he spent more time speaking on influence but when he started talking actual basketball it was short

In all these convos when they’re defending AI they bring up off the court stuff and not on the court lol

@Jamar-lg9ob

Ай бұрын

Mvp scoring titles all star game MVP

@AJBray

Ай бұрын

@@Jamar-lg9oball star game mvp means nothing so delete that one lol

@Jamar-lg9ob

Ай бұрын

@@AJBray now it doesn't back than it did

Didn't Teague go to Wake Forrest like Chris Paul??

@24Jabba

27 күн бұрын

what does that mean

You can debate who is the better player, and I think a majority would probably say Iverson (I don't think I would). But judging by careers, I don't think it's really close. Chris Paul played in 149 playoff games, Iverson played in 71 playoff games. Chris Paul made more cumulative money in terms of strictly salary, excluding endorsements (about $330 million vs $155 million). Neither one won a championship. CP3 had more All-Star selections, more All-NBA selections. Iverson made the playoffs 8 times out of 14 seasons. Chris Paul made the playoffs 15 times out of 19 seasons. Iverson won 6 playoff series, Chris Paul won 11. Chris Paul's career regular season record is 817-455 (64.2%), which is the 17th most wins of all-time. Iverson's career regular season record is 466-448 (51.0%). CP3's playoff record is 76-73 (51.0%), Iverson's is 30-42 (41.7%). Iverson received MVP votes 8 years, CP3 received MVP votes 11 years. Iverson won 1 MVP (only time he finished in the top 3), CP3 has 0 MVP's, but has finished 2nd and 3rd in MVP voting. Listening to this discussion, which is supposed to be about who had the better career, not who was the better player in the abstract, probably 85% of the talking was about who was the better player, not who had the better career.

@philminor233

Ай бұрын

Team and Player are comparable to success AI took a bad team to the finals CP all those lob city teams couldn’t do it give AI those teams

So many here talking about influence, and that has nothing to do with hooping.

@penkima4923

Ай бұрын

Influence has a lot to do with hooping.

@ichirosuzuki2252

Ай бұрын

@@penkima4923 No it does not. If you impact fashion or whatever it doesn't make your jump shot better, bro

@penkima4923

Ай бұрын

@@ichirosuzuki2252 Most believe shoes do make your jump shot better. Air Jordans is the greatest shoe brand, ever. And they are basketball shoes. They are the greatest, because of MJ's influence. He was that good at hooping. Influence has a lot to do with hooping.

@Jp2timezz

Ай бұрын

@@ichirosuzuki2252facts

@Allinnba

28 күн бұрын

Literally and AI still had a better career

Comparing one of the most loved players ever to one of the most hated isn’t fair. The preference is always gonna be AI but respect to CP3 he was a way better defender and playmaker in his prime

@kyngkai3942

Ай бұрын

that means nothing. CP3 was never the best player or even top 3 in the league. Iverson was, and he got an MVP from it. Cp3 never won MVP and he couldn't even win a ring after being up 2-0. IVERSON!

@demigodt34

Ай бұрын

Iverson had 3 steals titles himself bud

@TheIcemanthomas

Ай бұрын

@@kyngkai3942context is key. Y’all just be lying and saying anything. The record books say different.

@CN-gw5nt

Ай бұрын

@@demigodt34How many all defensive teams AI got??

@ichirosuzuki2252

Ай бұрын

@@kyngkai3942 CP3 literally finished 2nd in MVP voting one year, stop the cap

This really shouldn't be a match up debate. They aren't the same player in both; style of play or have the same responsibilty for there teams

CP3 statistically had a better career. Is this a debate? If you're nostalgic, then AI is ur choice. But if u ask most hoop experts or even GM's they're going with Paul. I think AI winning mvp and having that 2001 finals run clouds fans thinking.

y’all answering a different question.. CP3 undoubtedly had a better career.. simply off longevity… AI flamed out at like 33

@bryancastro2549

Ай бұрын

Facts, Iverson didn’t practice, partied hard asl before games. All weighing 165 soaking wet. Did what he did. Chris Paul is probably less wild, smarter on IQ, pass better, less athletic and less problematic on the offensive end.

@bryancastro2549

Ай бұрын

I like both but I’m a huge Iverson fan. Records are meant to be broken. I remember like a year ago KD passed Iverson on all time scoring I was like wow. Imagine if Iverson and Shaq just worked and practiced a little harder.

@StuntmanBeatz313

Ай бұрын

@@bryancastro2549 i think saying he didn’t practice is speculation based off one misunderstanding..

@bryancastro2549

Ай бұрын

@@StuntmanBeatz313 that’s what I thought, but Iverson really didn’t practice like that. Said it himself, It’s funny now tho, nowadays players get criticized for load management and not playing games. They practice tho. With Iverson he showed up to every game but didn’t practice. Man they were just talking about practice not the game back then.

@stanleed.harold5457

Ай бұрын

That's modern medicine. He could still play today. The NBA doesn't respect old vets like the NHL does.

CP > Iverson … bc Iverson avgs 30 right ? Well CP avgs 20 + 10 assists (1/2 are 3s) so that’s about 45 - 50 points he bringing in a nite … let’s take it further , cp made 9 all defensive teams to iverson ZERO … so that means along with cp points generated he can also stop his man from going off , Iverson may get 30 but his matchup got 30 too so it didn’t matter as much lol

@demigodt34

Ай бұрын

Iverson 3x scoring titles 😂🤦

@ichirosuzuki2252

Ай бұрын

@@demigodt34 mf Iverson took like 30 shots a night

It's kinda hard to compare the two players. Bubba Chuck (A.I) was more of a SG...CP3 was a more of a facilitator. A couple of years in the early 2000's A.I was the best player in the league. CP3 wore #3 jersey because of A.I. You can have a full scouting report on Bubba Chuck and you still couldn't stop him.

Iverson was a superior athlete(in youth and prime) and scored more by taking more shots. Other than that, CP3 hands down. Play making, defense, leadership, Paul. Iverson was not a leader and had to be the man to be effective. The Rock Star element Sheed mentioned was secondary as it doesn't translate due to on court production.

I love both of them. AI more influential but CP has a better career overall. AI more exciting but CP overall a better player

@demigodt34

Ай бұрын

Based on what. A.i has better stats and more accolades 😂

@ichirosuzuki2252

Ай бұрын

@@demigodt34 AI has worse stats in literally everything except scoring. I don't count steals because he was never a good defender and would just pick people's pockets as a help defender. AI was never guarding the opponent's best player like CP3

@mofosho

Ай бұрын

@@demigodt34 CP is top 3 in two different categories. AI has an mvp CP has 9 all defensive teams, CP got robbed an MVP, also CP was better for longer of his career than AI. Again nothing but love for AI but looking at it w/o emotion, he had a better career

@demigodt34

Ай бұрын

@@mofosho I'll entertain you what mythical year did cp3 get robbed lmao

@mofosho

Ай бұрын

@@demigodt34 when Kobe won it. CP was averaging like 21 pts and 12 assts leading steals and 2nd place in the west. Robbed might be little overstated but with the team mates he had it was super impressive….people forget if CP was healthy he would be talked about the best ever PG vs top 5-6 ever. Many nagging injuries plus the big knee one which forever slowed him down earlier in his career. Don’t get me started about the veto trade lol

CP3 was a great player on his team. AI was iconic and carried his team on his back.

They're both all time greats but totally different guards. I give it to AI but it's definitely not an 84% to 16% difference in the 2, it's a lot closer than that for sure.

AIs skills translates so well on TV. He’s dynamic and athletic, an A1 scorer. But CP3 had a better career because he was great for the whole team.

That’s a tough one but AI was just more iconic

@cameroonbreezygoat903

21 күн бұрын

What does that have to do with hooping??

Never seen someone wearing Chris Paul shoes, headband, or arm sleeve.

@9amMoonwalker

Ай бұрын

What does that have to a with _Playing_ career

@DemonKing-oi4jd

Ай бұрын

​@@9amMoonwalker He never brought up playing career though, so no reason to associate it. I've never been on a court where the pg was nut punching other players either

@donaldjackson1554

Ай бұрын

CAREER…what are you talking about

@twizzy585ful

Ай бұрын

​@@DemonKing-oi4jdhe said career tf

@qthequick

Ай бұрын

Definitely talking about playing career. A debate on cultural impact is not even question. Playing wise tho…give me cp3

It’s debatable for sure when you talk better careers! Both were great

When you have respect for the game you want to give CP3 the respect that he deserves but this is just the media trying to start a conversation out of thin air. Allen Iverson has a few things on his resume that CP3 needs to put him higher on the list of the games PG greats.

@ichirosuzuki2252

Ай бұрын

The only thing he has is an MVP over him. CP3 clears in every other way. Oh damn, you had some scoring titles... shooting less than 40%... taking like 30+ shots per game. Yeah bruh, a lot of players with that green light would average 30+ points. Bradley Beal and Gilbert Arenas averaged 30+ points more efficiently than AI, but you'd never say either of them are better than CP3

AI definitely

If CP3 didn't choke in playoffs Doc Rivers would be a top 10 coach, more than 1 ring.

@liderricktv

Ай бұрын

What changes did doc rivers do to avoid those so called chokes?

@docholiday1463

Ай бұрын

If I was born a fish I would be swimming right now. 🐠 if I never took my first baby steps I would still be crawling. That’s how ridiculous you sound

@user-cr5ts5fl6t

Ай бұрын

Doc is overrated as a coach

@christianluu2994

Ай бұрын

4 upvotes? Lmao we're doomed if doc stans actually exist

@truthiscensored

Ай бұрын

Doc can't win with other Super Stars either...that ain't a CP3 thing, that is a Doc Rivers thing. Doc had the Big 3+ in Boston for several years Doc Had Embiid, Simmons, and Harden Doc had Kwahi and Podcast P Doc had the Lob City Clippers Doc inherited the Best Team in the East this Year (Bucks) and once he took over the team went down hill Doc just trash as a coach

It’s a lot closer than people think. As a person that’s the HS year as CP, I got to see both in their primes. Totally different approaches to the game, you’re comparing a scoring guard to a true point. Most people forget CP in New Orleans pre knee injury, and he was every bit of a force. That said, what AI means to the culture will go down greater than CP. But outside of chips, their will’s to win are equal. What CP did to almost get GSW out of there as a rocket will always remain gutsy AF.

@Jitbo561

Ай бұрын

A.I. MVP and a trip to the Finals how is it close?

Chris Paul is a floor general raise they floor up and down I think the edge go to CP3 bc of what he brings to your team

In 20 years they will still be talking about AI, they might not talk about CP3 3 years after retirement. Stop the cap!

@TheIcemanthomas

Ай бұрын

Irrelevant to who is the better player bud. Y’all don’t know how to break down the game

@LastPharaoh33

Ай бұрын

Let’s break it down - Iverson has a league MVP and dragged his teams to the finals. Has a statue outside of a stadium. Let me hear the CP3 argument

@ichirosuzuki2252

Ай бұрын

@@LastPharaoh33 CP3 narrowly came in 2nd in MVP voting in one year. CP3 is 9x all defense. CP3 led the league in assists multiple times while putting up an efficient 20. CP3 went to the finals just like AI. Wherever CP3 went the team would win. He took the Suns from out of the playoffs to a top seed, and went to the finals. When AI went to the Pistons in exchange for Chauncy Billups, the Nuggets got better with Billups, and the Pistons got WORSE with AI there. Would you say Chauncy is a better point guard than CP3? Hell no. AI can score better on volume if he's asked to go 1v1, but in terms of every other aspect of the game, CP3 is better. Advanced stats say CP3 is a much better player than AI at their respective peaks and it isn't particularly close.

@reggiemeeks4339

Ай бұрын

​@@ichirosuzuki2252you can't argue with ai fans even though hardly anything points to him being the better player all they gonna do is over fantasize his finals run and pretend like that proves something ha

@wesleyforbes5849

Ай бұрын

​@@reggiemeeks4339They also leave out he only won like 2 other playoff series the rest of his career and was asked to come off the bench at Memphis still in prime age years. A.I was great so dont wanna sound like im hating but CP3 is point god for a reason. People just dont like him I guess.

CP3 was the better floor general and and better on ball defender. That's it

@TheIcemanthomas

Ай бұрын

A much more efficient scorer, and more impactful overall guard.. far more than. Just a good floor general and defender. Better shooter, better rebounder, better shot selection, better impact metrics, etc.

@donaldjackson1554

Ай бұрын

And he made his team and teammates better

@jaystacks5249

Ай бұрын

@@TheIcemanthomasbingo but everyone love iverson and forget the man shot 38% and took over twenty shots a game

@TheIcemanthomas

Ай бұрын

@@jaystacks5249now granted, we do have to be fair and say Iverson did play in the worst spaced and slowest paced era ever, which dilutes some of the efficiency stats, because pretty much every great perimeter scorer shot worse before the rule changes. But even after the rule changes, and with better spacing on other teams, Iverson still was not a very consistent shooter

@Jp2timezz

Ай бұрын

@@TheIcemanthomashis fg% was still low when they remove hand checking stop making up excuses

Cp3 career fieldgoal % , free throw and 3 point % are way better than AI' s for both regular season and playoffs.

The question is not who is a better player, it's who had a better career. Which means we're looking at the numbers, acculates, and accomplishments.

Talking about Cp averaging 30 ppg😂😂😂 look at his 08-09 season when he put up 23,12,5 and 3 steals on 50% 38% and 86% what more you want for a Pg? And consider his injuries.

@Jamar-lg9ob

Ай бұрын

How loaded was team and how far they go

@ichirosuzuki2252

Ай бұрын

@@Jamar-lg9ob It doesn't matter how "loaded" the team was. When AI was playing on the Nuggets with Carmelo Anthony and Kenyon Martin, etc. they never did shit. They did more with Billups after AI left because he was too petty to let Carmelo have the reins. If CP3 played in the East like AI then he'd be in the ECF every damn year

@philminor233

Ай бұрын

And AI put up 33,7,2 which one you rather have or 30,9,5,2

@Jamar-lg9ob

Ай бұрын

@@philminor233 with no spacing getting double

@Jamar-lg9ob

Ай бұрын

@@ichirosuzuki2252 if cp3 played 80+ games 41 minutes a game he wouldn't be available for playoffs

AI better peak, CP3 better overall career. AI more popular and culturally relevant and better scorer, CP better on defense and better facilitator, probably better shooter. While I think AI is a better player, CP had a better career

@penkima4923

Ай бұрын

CP3 had the better peak. A.I. won scoring titles and an MVP, so arguably A.I. had the better career.

@t-god2439

Ай бұрын

🤔 you both make good points. I would personally go with ai tho. Seeing how Chris Paul had some much talent and so many chances and continued to find ways to fail. I think if you gave ai the same talent Paul played with. He would have won at least one ring. Chris I like him but damn his post season failures make it hard to put him past ai. Especially since a lot of his were self inflicted. Ai would always find a fight for his team to have a chance cp3 in the those moments more times than not would find a way to mess it up

@penkima4923

Ай бұрын

@@t-god2439 CP3 played better in the playoffs for his career than A.I. CP3 got injured in all of his playoffs, as well. And, Blake got injured every playoffs. Which means, A.I. wouldn't have gotten any further, had he the team CP3 had.

@t-god2439

Ай бұрын

@@penkima4923 well when cp3 got hurt why do you think it was always a hamstring or something like that? Imo it’s because he got to tense and stressed in those moments. It’s like if you are drowning and you start to panic you just drown yourself. Also it’s two series that come to mind when I think of these two players. AI series vs the pistons. Where they lost 4-1 but every game he went down fighting like 37-15 . And for cp they clippers vs thunder series. Where cp had a turnover and fouled on a 3 if I’m not mistaken in the final minute to lose his team the game and they lost the series. In my mind that’s who these players are . One is a fighter the other is a choker who’s played with so much more talent but still couldn’t win

@DemonKing-oi4jd

Ай бұрын

​​@@t-god2439 This is exactly what people are missing about CP3. I could of sworn I saw an old podcast of CP3 admitting to having anxiety, but that was years ago (maybe CP3 on a dwade ig or something) CP3 always tenses up in big playoff games and plays too safe. Blown hamstrings constantly in tight playoff series. I remember watching him straight losing games in the clutch against Westbrook of all people and those 3-1 series losses during lob city.

I'm picking CP3 career over AI

Lmao 🤣 that was very intense

Sheed ain’t even say shit lmao. “He was a rockstar” bro that’s not what we talking about.

@donwilliamson3111

Ай бұрын

Dude AI career speaks for itself

@user-bk8gx3jd7i

Ай бұрын

@@donwilliamson3111 and Chris Paul was still the better player. Nostalgia and cornrows don’t make you better.

CP3 had a better career

@Jamar-lg9ob

Ай бұрын

How?

@Traeshawn23

Ай бұрын

Cap never been to a finals or won a mvp not to mention AI lead the league in steals

@ichirosuzuki2252

Ай бұрын

@@Traeshawn23 Are you dumb? CP3 went to the finals with the Suns within the last 5 years. CP3 is also 10x the defender AI ever was, so bringing up steals is laughable. (CP3 also led in steals multiple times, and not by gambling on them like AI)

@markepurkiss17

Ай бұрын

@@Jamar-lg9ob more assists and a longer career

@markepurkiss17

Ай бұрын

@Traeshawn23 yes he was in the NBA Finals when they played the Milwaukee Bucks and he has had a longer career with more assists than AI

we talking about practice

Iverson changed the game for PG’s but CP3 was a better all around Offense & Defense 🤷🏾‍♂️

CP3’s reputation of not being personable is his undoing. Undeniably, he has had a better career than Iverson.

@penkima4923

Ай бұрын

A.I. won an MVP, and led the league in scoring and in steals multiple times. The details regarding those are not all pretty, but he did win them and CP3 did not. CP3 being injured in the post-season isn't good for the career. Or his trade to L.A. being vetoed. A.I. exited the league at age 34. While CP3 was able to play great basketball at that age, and make the finals. Was that enough for CP3 to have a better career? Probably not.

@jlui21

Ай бұрын

as a New Orleans native watching prime CP3, the problem that holds CP's career back are all his injuries that sidelined him in the playoffs. 2 legit chances with the Clips b/c of injuries. Missed beating GSW in Houston. If I had to pick between the 2 (minus injuries), I'd take CP3 10 out 10 times. With the injuries? 50:50. Career as-is? AI.

A.I. is the better player... CP3 had a better career.

@penkima4923

Ай бұрын

The other way around.

@ajhaynes8204

Ай бұрын

@@penkima4923 I respect ur stance. Does not make it more right than mine. Enjoy ur day.

Man cp got 62 points in highschool for his grandfather, that passed. And he could’ve had more if he wanted. Cp3 was goated

Offensively ai hands down is better than cp3 but playmaking cp3 takes it to see how bonzi respects cp3 says alot to

A.i. was a mvp and an iron man. Cp3 has played with way more talent

@Raymond-gs5nd

Ай бұрын

Say it louder for these little kids in the back 👏🏻👏🏻

@penkima4923

Ай бұрын

CP3 played with Blake Griffin, who mostly was injured. A.I. played with DPotY Dikembe Mutombo, who mostly wasn't injured.

@Raymond-gs5nd

Ай бұрын

@@penkima4923 ….lol little kid look at the rosters

@penkima4923

Ай бұрын

@@Raymond-gs5nd I know two players from the rosters. You don't, old head. So, why should I take a look at the rosters?

@Raymond-gs5nd

Ай бұрын

@@penkima4923 …you made my case young blood

What brand is that shirt bonzi wearing

There was a few years in the early 2000s when A.I. was considered the best player along with Shaq. People forget that A.I. was considered better than Kobe for years. CP3 is great but he was never arguably the best. That’s the difference

Comparing a real 2 spot to the 1 spot is just an argument 😂😂

who stamped jeff teague as the voice of basketball?

What this video should be 1 second long lol. Allen Iverson

anybody know where I can get Shedd necklace?

CP! Forget all that rockstar stuff…. CP will change your entire team. AI gone pop up major shots. Imagine him in Denver w Melo 🤔

It’s closer than yall think

Someone who proved he could be the best player on a finals bound team vs a guy who proved he needs to be the second fiddle at his best. Love CP though, he’s top 10 PG off all time but AI is top 3 SG of all time. It’s not close.

Let them know Sheed! 🗣️

This is not even a debate

I look at it like this , who did I fear more when they faced my team . Never feared cp3 when he played my lakers but when AI was on the schedule I was always nervous he was gonna drop 40-50 on us

CP3 got hurt at the wrong times. It's never a good time to get hurt but those playoffs injuries are the worse.

They don’t even play the same position. Stupid comparison

That is crazy AI didn't get put on any defensive teams, crazy

AI was an MVP when Shaq, Kobe, KG, Duncan, Webber, Kidd, Carter, and Payton were on their prime.

Well cp3 was the better player offensively and defensively but AI was more dominant through straight will and I’ll give AI the handle and attacking the basket better. But cp3 just way more well rounded with high IQ

@penkima4923

Ай бұрын

I don't give A.I. the handle.

@ichirosuzuki2252

Ай бұрын

AI's handle is amazing, but honestly, it's not that much better than CP3's handle. CP3 can dribble in traffic just as good as anyone and his mid-range is wet-wet. AI is way better finishing at the rim, though, so he clears there

Who has a MVP and duel KB and SHAQ

They’re both great but were asked to do two different things as players, I grew up in Philly with AI as my favorite player but this is one of those player comparisons folks make when they’re bored lol.

These debates should be rephrased. Who was the most impactful in their role ? Iverson or Paul. also, fans with the stats …metrics. especially across different era’s (RULE CHANGES} decontextualize the argument. Metrics can’t factor in the difficulty of scoring in Iverson’s era. (86-04) hand checking was legal. He retired in 2011, before the implementation of the rule changes specifically designed to assist smaller players to showcase their skills. ~ Adam Silver said this, not me. And before the gather step rule which allows players additional opportunities with their moves not available to Iverson. Chris Paul (05-present) has played his entire career without hand check rules. And the bulk of his career under the offensive friendly, load management era. Advantage to CO3 all day in stats metrics. But did he have more of an impact on his team ;WINS and losses, Was Iverson as a the primary star and scorer better in his role Than CP3 as an elite traditional point guard?

As Foundational Black American’s we have so much great talent that goes over looked. Mainstream media only praise the ‘chosen few’. Can we please stop with these disrespectful pick this one, take this ngaa out post please for God sake. How about lets info people on who the artist are as individuals. 🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️

Iverson league MVP, 4x Scoring Champion, played with less talent, lived in the paint banging with the bigs.

Why are they not talking career numbers?

How many times did a.i lead the league in steals or points?

And this is my last point if you were to make a starting five knowing you can have guys like Kobe and Michael Jordan on your team would you rather have Allen Iverson or would you rather have Chris Paul

CP3 absolutely had the better career. He was a better leader, better point guard, way better defender better shooter and the more efficient scorer. The only argument people will make for AI is that he carried a team to the finals and his scoring average. He scored a lot, but he took a lot of shots and shot like 42% for his career. Which is not good. And people change history about that finals run as well. He played with Mutumbo who was DPOY AND 2nd team all nba that year. He also had Aaron McKee who was the 6th man of the year AND Larry Brown was the coach of the year in 01. Those guys scored in double figures that year as well. Their game plan was for Iverson to dominate the ball and get most of the shots. The trade off was the other guys were the ones playing defense and doing the dirty work. In the 01 finals Iverbson took 30….. THIRTY shots a game and shot under 40% for the series. Allen Iverson is who he is but CP3 is easily the better player.

why is there always a sound delay to sheeds lips

One thing nobody ever talks about it CP3 is the all time leader in assist/turnover ratio (over double AI btw)

NOLA CP3 was the most complete pg of all time as far as skill imo. People forget about NOLA CP3, but AI put a team on his back and carried them to the finals.

Iverson has been 2 the finals. Iverson has been league mvp. Iverson has multiple (4) scoring titles. Iverson retired with the 2nd highest playoff scoring average in league history. I don’t think there’s a comparison in who’s career was better.

How many times did Cp lead the nba in steals? And how many did A.I do? How Cp make defensive teams but A.i couldn’t get one.

AI wasnt a point guard 🤣 he was a 5”11 scoring guard ⛹🏽‍♂️😮‍💨

@Jitbo561

Ай бұрын

That also won a MVP

AI literally changed the culture of the NBA extremely influential. CP3 ain't getting no statue nowhere lol.

Two different styles of play & CP3 was injured too many times in the post season to compare him to Iverson. This is like Magic/Jordan, one was pass first & one was shoot first...

No way this is a real debate 🤦🏽‍♂️ CP this is some Wake Forest trolling ish