I’m loving this series. Thanks Marco for giving people a space to tell their story. I imagine it’s healing to them while also spreading awareness ❤

@kindrastarr5298

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely agree on the healing sentiment. Being able to talk about my story and take away the shame of hiding it from people is definitely empowering and healing ❤

@JJ-qi7py

Ай бұрын

@@kindrastarr5298what’s your instagram under ? Thank u

My parents have been in an MLM for over 10 years and they are still brainwashed and believe that they will "make it" and that it will provide financial freedom for them and future generations. I never stood up to them until I turned 18 when they kept wanting me to start until I told them it wasn't for me. My dad has since then believed I lost my 'dreams' and I don't believe in them and have a lazy "get rich quick" mentality because of my pursuit of content creation. Our relationship has never been worse and I can thank no one else but the MLM that brainwashed and took advantage of my parent's hard work ethic and dreams of an American dream. I'm so glad I found the Anti-MLM community because wow, this is crazy.

@kindrastarr5298

Жыл бұрын

I’m so sorry Ramses. That is heartbreaking.

@Bananachan289

Жыл бұрын

That is tough

@itsaxelramses

Жыл бұрын

@@kindrastarr5298Thank you. And thank you for speaking out and sharing your story!

@josephinehenry8236

Жыл бұрын

Gosh I hope it turns around for you all 🤞

@mike3271

Жыл бұрын

Well at least they are right about content creation

Well shit...she made me want to move to Texas and work in Sales! I'm Glad she got in with a good company, you can tell she is great at sales. Just proves mlm's are designed for people to fail, it has almost NOTHING to do with our abilities and skills. Ugh! Sickening how many people they've damaged.

@kindrastarr5298

Жыл бұрын

C’mon down! 😂 Thank you for the kind words.

The one thing I’ve realized watching these, is that the ONLY time you’re treated like an owner is when you’re filing your taxes and taking on financial liability and then you’re REALLY on your own. I’ve heard many of these companies don’t give any assistance or tips and tricks for people filing that way for the first time.

@kindrastarr5298

Жыл бұрын

Totally true! The little advice that we got on taxes was also half wrong. Some of these girls are massively at risk of an audit.

She’s so beautiful. I’m glad she is in a much better place now. She deserves better.

@kindrastarr5298

Жыл бұрын

Thank you!

You know. They say most small businesses fail in the first two years. I wonder if that number would change if all the MLMs disappeared?

Just discovered your channel and been listening to several videos. You do a great job of breaking down all the info and still be entertaining! About the “why” question, it is unfortunately still asked a lot in corporate job interviews. I hate being asked that!

It annoys me how these MLM lie to people, telling them that they could earn good money building a network, working hours to suit them. Total lies. They don’t tell people how much they’d have to spend or how much they’d lose, or even how working for MLM ruins your career profile. I’m not surprised by how much this girl lost. These MLMs have the nerve to dismiss them facts, gaslight and deny their problematic business model. All are scammers and liars

@kindrastarr5298

Жыл бұрын

Gaslight, gatekeep, girl boss

Now all I can picture is Marco wandering into a MLM space with a goofy plastic mustache and saying "Hello! My name is Not Marco! Who is this Always Marco you speak of?"

@kindrastarr5298

Жыл бұрын

Lol!

Yes!! They almost take pride in saying the have a completely different team than the one who earned them the car

@kindrastarr5298

Жыл бұрын

It’s a very “onto the next one” “some people don’t see the vision” mentality

Replacing your team every year sounds exhausting. Yes! Companies that ACTUALLY pay for your trips.

@kindrastarr5298

Жыл бұрын

💯 x2!

awesome interview!

Thank you for this excellent interview Marco! I lost a good friend to Arbonne and she’s still in 13 years later. I watch these videos because a) I can’t imagine how my ex-friend is still in and b) I hope she and all people in mlm’s will ‘wake up’. Robert Fitzpatrick is very serious when he calls mlm’s a cult in his Ponzinomics podcast, and that they are dangerous in that they manipulate people financially and behaviourally. Thank you again for exposing Arbonne and all mlm’s.

That is such a misconception in skincare in general, if you've never used products targeted towards "fixing" your skin, the first time you do, the results seem amazing and are very visible. However after that you might come across better products, but the results aren't as drastic and so you think it's b'cuz the products you first used are the superior products; no its b'cuz your maintaining and furthering the results from using products in general, and except for that very first time, your skin won't change drastically again. It's not that the first products you used were better, it's that the state of your skin was worse and the bare minimum would have been an upgrade. Once your skin starts healing you no longer have drastically visible results.

@kindrastarr5298

Жыл бұрын

Totally true!

I agree with you, MLM’s promote Psychopathic behavior. I’m so glad she got out. She is beautiful and smart.

@kindrastarr5298

Жыл бұрын

Thank you Natasha

Great interview!

Absolutely love these vids!!! Love & light!

Man I’ve been binging all your videos this past week at work. Super quality content!

Excellent interview!!! So glad you're doing well now, Kindra!

Love the content Marco! I’ve been subbed to you for two years

That upline wasn't "checking in" in 2020 out of goodness of her heart. I had an Arbonne hunbot do the same to me; and when I said a firm no, she still tried to convince me to send people her way. They're predatory. It's their M.O. I'm willing to bet they discussed this at team meetings.

@kindrastarr5298

Жыл бұрын

💯 agree

47:15 marco took the words out of my mouth. nothing says "you're a customer not an employee" like the total lack of an HR department where you can report violated boundaries. if your "coworkers" in a major corporation give you UNSOLICITED RELATIONSHIP/PERSONAL LIFE ADVICE, chances are they aren't afraid of being held accountable. and if they're not afraid of being held accountable, chances are it's because there's NO code of ethics/integrity to follow. because 🚨YOURE A CUSTOMER AND SO ARE THEY🚨

Ive been watching these a bunch recently and the biggest thing that sticks out too me in every single interview is how proud they are that they "actually made money". They still know its wrong but they still go back too that. Very interesting. Another thing is they always say it proudly but they cant look at the camera, or they say it shyly. Who knows, but theres something there with psychology that I don't understand. Very interesting stuff

She could have gotten me to sign up for the MLM. 😍

@kindrastarr5298

Жыл бұрын

Lol!

Great Video as always 🔥

Keep up the good work Marco 🔥

So excited to watch this

Wow! Thanks KZread for not giving me the notification on this video. 🤦‍♂️ On a side note, anyone else think she’s got a Tiffany Amber Theissen thing going on? Aged myself with that reference 😂😂

@kindrastarr5298

Жыл бұрын

😂 that’s a first! I’ll have to Google that one.

@kindrastarr5298

Жыл бұрын

Done. TOTALLY see it 😅

@BaddogSports

Жыл бұрын

@@kindrastarr5298 LOL! The fact that you had to Google that makes me feel really old 😂 And just to add on, I’m really glad you got out of that MLM garbage! Can’t stand their predatory, and manipulate ways! I’m also glad to hear your story had a happy ending. Unfortunately, most don’t

Extremely good point at the 15:44 minute mark discussing the sunk cost fallacy and this “social” prison they are in. This is my family member to the T. Except they just dig more into the denial. Love these interviews!

Amazing!

The toxic positivity bull in MLMs is so thick and nasty that it lasts long afteryou leave

I'm at the part where you're talking about then training you to be manipulative. My best friend of over fifteen years joined an MLM a couple years ago. She knew what I thought of them; I have been very outspoken about it. I tried to just ignore that part of her life but I eventually avoided being around her. She sent friend request to all of my friends on social media. When she eventually confronted me about avoiding her I brought up the fact that it bothered me that she had sent all those friend request. She took that to mean that I thought she was shallow because the only reason she was sending them was for business purposes. I told her she is the last person I would ever label as shallow. I wish I would have been upfront from the beginning and told her the reason I think this is odd is that she isn't shallow and she should recognize what they're telling her to do. I'm not in assertive person is also why I would never have joined an MLM even before I realized what they were. She's no longer part of the MLM but it's only because it was a weight-loss one and she lost the weight she wanted and may have made a little bit of money and then left. I don't know whether she still sees it as something positive but the last time I spoke with her she said she wishes that I could just be happy that she had something that helped her reach some goals. Of course she and one of her family members also recently purchased a timeshare.

That's interesting, because I have gorgeous skin, but broke out AF when I started using Arbonne. I'm back to looking glorious, because I now use Cetaphil, which I get at Walgreens.

@kindrastarr5298

Жыл бұрын

Yeah it definitely didn’t work well for everyone, but that’s pretty universal for skincare in general.

This was an incredible interview! It was quite the emotional roller-coaster. I'm glad that she got out and got an incredible job that she is very much passionate about. Also, she is very pretty! Have a good one! Peace.

@kindrastarr5298

Жыл бұрын

Aww thank you 😊

@AnAllAroundPlayerMaker

Жыл бұрын

@@kindrastarr5298 You're welcome

This series is so good

MLM is a trap for so many. I could relate to what she said about how MLM has you looking at every person as a prospect. Instead of building authentic relationships with people, there is always a hidden agenda. $4000.00 from Arbonne for 1 years work.... that's crazy. Did that include revenue received from selling the product directly to customers, or was she only receiving income from the sales of her downline?

Principals and Superintendents also ask teachers to ‘remember their why’ all the time too. It’s annoying. At least our contracts state our guaranteed salary lol.

@Loud2013

Жыл бұрын

My SMT hints at it but oddly enough *they* all get raises and promotions 🙃🤔

@kindrastarr5298

Жыл бұрын

😂

Thanks for this video! It's always great to hear real stories and get tips on how to support friends to get out of the scam/cult. She's also gorgeous!

@kindrastarr5298

Жыл бұрын

Thank you!

My wife did Arbonne when I first met her. She really loved it but she wanted to focus on our marriage and son so she got out. We have a ton of product still which is fine because I enjoy the protein powders and fizz and the diaper rash cream for our son works.

What a beautiful soul! I'm glad Kindra saw the light.

@kindrastarr5298

Жыл бұрын

Meee too Josh, me too.

A lot fo people don't realize buy most sales positions have a base salary. The company wants you to be able to survive and be presentable so you can sell their products.

I'm starting to get this channel recommended to me I think cuz I watch so many videos related to cults. :o

@youtubedennis5223

Жыл бұрын

Same

I want an interview with the person who does gain success. The one who does get the car and makes a lot of money. I want to know what specifically that person did that was different. We can hear all these stories and that’s cool but I want to know how the ones that are successful beat the odds. Is it literally just luck?

@houseofschenck6230

Жыл бұрын

They either get in early before the market is saturated, are really good at recruiting, or are already some sort of celebrity thereby giving them access to a larger pool of people to recruit.

@moonliightbae

Жыл бұрын

he does have one though. watch his video “Debating a Senior of Primerica”

@PKPhoenix83

Жыл бұрын

As others have said, get in very early or the other way is to simply be a fantastic salesperson and have zero sense of decency and morality. Basically, you need to be psychopathic in a sense. Most people don't have the ability to constantly charm others, be ruthless and stomp on that voice inside of you that says be a good person. The irony is there are many fields, including legit salespeople who earn more than the best MLM "business owners".

What a charming girl, these are true success stories ! 🎉

@kindrastarr5298

Жыл бұрын

Thank you Josephine

@JoeKyser

Жыл бұрын

Woman

@tubesockvii2351

Жыл бұрын

My mentor said that this is a hoax video! Can't be real! They are making a ton of $!

@JoeKyser

Жыл бұрын

@@tubesockvii2351 I believe that 100%

@tubesockvii2351

Жыл бұрын

@@JoeKyser are you looking to make real money??? Have you tried sales in perfume/colgne before?

I see from the Nike skit that he can indeed pull off mlm stage speeches! You should try to get in as an external motivational speaker, i bet some of the smaller groups or coaching groups would go for it :D

Really interesting interview! Also, she looks like Sophia Bush sorta lol am I buggin??

@wendy_lynn

Жыл бұрын

I thought that too!

@kindrastarr5298

Жыл бұрын

😂 I’ve gotten that before, thank you!

Network Marketing is toxic, regardless of cashflow.

Bro I’m sorry, she’s fine as hell lol

@itsaxelramses

Жыл бұрын

fr shes gorgeous

@kindrastarr5298

Жыл бұрын

😂 LOL thanks guys.

@michaelmilnermixing

Жыл бұрын

@@kindrastarr5298 💜

@jpgonzalez6043

Жыл бұрын

Never be sorry for that!

I dont agree with you on some things, but this content is Coffeezilla level quality. Subbed.

Im willing to bet she makes more than triple at her sales job with Caterpillar than the local supposed "rich" mlm boss babe... 😂

Psychopathology is a scale. Not everyone who is a psychopath is a murderer. It's a misconception....so I don't think it's that "heavy" of a term.

Caterpillar sounds like a great company to work for

She’s so funny, charming and smart! ❤

@kindrastarr5298

Жыл бұрын

Thank you Franziska 😅 I’m also a total goober haha.

I was at that convention! I was also in a So cal! I went into my 401k and withdrew 10k! Omg I’m sick when I think about it!

Beautiful person inside and out

@kindrastarr5298

Жыл бұрын

Appreciate that ❤

What I learned is most of these MLM company make decent products, but you can get them from other brands cheaper with same results. So if someone came at me with MLM weight loss shake or something it prolly works but so does slim fast or other wellness shakes I can get at Walmart. This MLM boss babe stuff is fake. Don’t do it don’t waste your time start your own business from Alibaba or something. This whole I’m rich ask me how does not work because not every one can do it even if they followed step by stepz

Shes so pretty.

@kindrastarr5298

Жыл бұрын

Thank you 😊

@asianstud7

Жыл бұрын

@@kindrastarr5298 my pleasure. Lol

She's a genius 👏🏼

@kindrastarr5298

Жыл бұрын

Hahaha I don’t know about that. I doubt a genius would’ve gotten bamboozled for as long as I did.

My sibling just joined the Happy Co. Suffers from depression and this over priced happy cap is working (she’s also eating better and working our 😂)…. It’s essentially caffeine Hilarious. We just can’t say anything since she will say mind your own beeswax

@kindrastarr5298

Жыл бұрын

Some people have to learn from their own mistakes 😅🙋🏼‍♀️ Hopefully she will figure it out and knows you’ll be there for her on the other side.

@sotxgalwtex980

Ай бұрын

I follow a guy on IG who is exposing that co., Amare for their happy juice. And all the claims these women and the co is making. Its really disturbing how they use personal tragedies to promote the happy juice and it cures everything.

So we know MLMs Comprise Nearly All Women - Imagine how many Do All the Tax calculations/Forms ?? Rather than the husbands/Partners doing them - who are Not in the MLM ?? Given that it was Doing her Taxes that Opened her Eyes & basically Got her OUT !! Maybe This plays Some Part (just some!) Why Ppl don’t Get Out Sooner ?? Just Food 4 thought! :)) Lots of Love n Support to All, from the UK!🌈💜💚❤️☀️🌈

@kindrastarr5298

Жыл бұрын

Here in the US you only have to file taxes if you make over a certain threshold of “income” (I think it’s $450… but not totally sure) For all those that make less than that amount in a year (99%) they never have to file the taxes on it 🙃

This young woman is so pretty and poised....coulda been model.

@kindrastarr5298

Жыл бұрын

Appreciate the kind words.

Wow they even got Malin Akerman

Yes

one thing that's unclear to me is something that I've noticed with your guests. they report yearly earnings far below 10k and expenses that exceed their salaries. how can someone live in America live with less than $1000 a month, operate at a nett loss and not be homeless? like where do those people live, goes do they feed themselves?

@nykkidome

Жыл бұрын

They're racking up insane amounts of debt most likely. Using credit cards, getting loans, etc.

@kindrastarr5298

Жыл бұрын

@cunjoz from what I experienced and saw others doing in the industry cough cough** I mean pyramid scheme- no one (that isn’t in the top 1%) is making a living from “the business.” Almost everyone either has a significant other that’s supporting them, or they have a real job on the side. I also did rack up a good amount of credit card debt which is encouraged.

@nykkidome

Жыл бұрын

@@kindrastarr5298 I feel like this kinda stuff is even more prevalent nowadays with all these quick payday advance apps (ie; Dave, empower, chime spot me, etc etc.) I had several coworkers at a fast food group try to get me into their MLM but ALSO get me into these payday advance apps so I could send them boosts constantly. Scammy.

I remember when I was young, broke, and trying to make it. I just wanted to BE SOMEBODY in life and to help my family. Sadly, I lost a lot of money and time (which I couldn't afford) to the following MLMs: WFG, Organo Gold, Dream Tree, Herbalife, etc. I tried really hard for years and never made a single red cent. Here's the thing: if MLMs could honestly advertise themselves as side hustles for already-employed, financially stable adults, I could respect them. But they straight-up tell you to quit your "loser" day job and focus on them. The problem is that it doesn't ever pan out.

The pyramid is in the name.

This sounds sooo much like Wirkd Wide Dream Builders who use Amway!

An employer that doesn't care about people and pays trash wages. That's how I ended up in Arbonne too. They truly are so predatory. Allegedly. In my opinion.

Honestly, if they are “business owners” should they be paying LLC, s-corp or c-corp taxes? I feel like the IRS would have a field trip with them if they are all claiming to own a business but aren’t paying taxes for it. 👀

Mel Robbins also spoke for a WFG event called Unstoppable. I didn’t know how bad she is. If she speaks for multiple MLM events then it says something about this person

She was an accountant making 25k. lol. I doubt that story!! I think she was doing DATA ENTRY 😮.

@kindrastarr5298

Жыл бұрын

iheart sucks, what can I say? Lol! I knew my worth and walked away. My official title was Accounts Receivables, Radio Division.

let's goo

Kindra was excellent...I've listened to many videos and her ability to communicate some obvious truths I think will help others...money spent, sales, etc.

Yes! Sales is not for everyone. If you enjoy it, you're probably good at it. It's not me, but I've worked plenty of jobs surrounded by sales people. Companies will pay well for sales and people relations skills. However, plz deprogram before taking that sales job. We had a gal who embellished to the point of costing us bizness, because lies. There was no need for it. Turns out, former R&F hun.

@kindrastarr5298

Жыл бұрын

Woof. That is a very fair point! If I had taken the strategies I learned with Arbonne to my next job it would’ve been messy as hell.

I’ve never heard “they don’t want the smoke “ put so eloquently 😂 “it’s not congruent with their MO” bars

She got a PhD in Arbonne 👀

Marco I had a friend that joined ariix and almost recruited me. To this day, he still believes this is legit lol

poor girl

Off topic but she is very pretty

please do nvision u this mlm is rampant

Is that emma stone? Really enjoyed this story, down with mlm!

@kindrastarr5298

Жыл бұрын

Haha I wish! 😅

I think if you don’t already have a networking or if you are not « famous » or have a lot of audience, you can’t really make money on theses MLM. I have a friend and she does have a boutique and pretty good audience on Instagram and Facebook and make money out of Arbonne. She has the Mercedes and everything but idt she would have it without her « followers »

First baby💪🏽

UGH!!! Mel Robbins makes my skin crawl. Puke with the lid off!

ths is not the first discord alert why are u doing this while recording

Sad

Is this a uniquely North American thing? i've never personally seen stuff like this and the intervieuws make it seem so common.

She’s cute tho 😂

@kindrastarr5298

Жыл бұрын

Lol thanks 😂

@DocMoe2020

Жыл бұрын

​@@kindrastarr5298 you are beautiful!

13:24 yoooooo she shut your "non pro civilian opinion" down trump loyally dawgs!!! 💯😂💯🤣. Seriously tho yeah these companies are scams but to call people psychopaths with zero professional bk ground in this area is ignorant dawgs! It's childish like as a child calling your brother stupid or dumb. You don't know these people at the type they might be crying themselves to sleep cause of what they doing but the money has got a hold of them. What u can say is that they straight up bad people. That is undeniable!!!

@emyyyxx

Жыл бұрын

lol if you wanna be highly successful in the MLM business it requires you to sacrifice your morality. so i see what he’s saying. you lose your empathy and see genuine, or what could’ve been genuine relationships, as transactional &use people for $$$.

I know this is a year old I would like to know what she was doing at the end as I build up my own channels. I have a 9 to 5 with a racist boss. The shit he was talking yesterday absolutely repulsed me. I need an out while I create content. I need some help.

Kindra can make a shitload more money with OnlyFans.

@kindrastarr5298

Жыл бұрын

Lmfao 😂 I think I prefer sales with my clothes on.

@johnathanbolin5539

4 ай бұрын

@@kindrastarr5298 respect!

I’ll be Kindras friend 😉

@kindrastarr5298

Жыл бұрын

C’mon now! We can all use some more friends.

You can put your MLM experience on a resume. It's still a job. She sounds like she's still under their spell. You've done plenty of videos with people that have gotten real jobs after leaving an MLM.

@kindrastarr5298

Жыл бұрын

Sure, you can list it on a resume, but most jobs don’t take it seriously.

These videos make me want to join a MLM. These people just weren’t trying hard enough. Obviously someone is successful in the company. If the superior is making all the money why not work your way up to be the superior? Isn’t that the point?

@emyyyxx

Жыл бұрын

… did you watch the video 😂. to climb to high ranks you have to get in early before it’s highly saturated. and if you are trying “hard” you literally are just using and abusing people. if you’re a sociopath this is perfect for you. but some of us are good people and have morality 🤷🏼‍♀️