Season 7 was where I view the show comes to its natural conclusion. Debbie was able to find a steady career to help support her and her baby. Ian was able to get ahold of his bipolar and find a stable job that he truly cares about. Carl was able to evolve from a child with sociopathic tendencies to someone who has found a purpose in life with the military. Lip is truly working to get ahold of his alcoholism and try and go back to school when he is stable. And Fiona was able to find a potential way out of the neighborhood while still supporting her family. This here is my true ending of Shameless

@1367DammanKO

8 күн бұрын

This is why people can't deal with the ending... ya'll wanted a real story with a fairytale ending and that's not the story being told.

@finnmacmanus5723

7 күн бұрын

@@1367DammanKOI truly don’t understand how Lip’s arc is the most disliked, it’s an absolutely perfect portrayal of wasted potential held back by himself and his past. That scene in the last episode when he’s a delivery driver and fixes somebody’s computer problem and then is immediately dismissed sums it up perfectly. I truly think a lot of the fanbase wanted the Gallaghers to end up filthy rich and happy and happily ever after the end, they’re just too embarrassed to admit that so they’ll talk about vague ‘bad writing’ as if they hadn’t praised the show for being ‘realistic’ for years

@Miramiyami

6 күн бұрын

I honestly kept going just to see gallavich come true they were so dear to my heart.

@smb20242

5 күн бұрын

@@1367DammanKO This! Was it a perfect ending? No, but I did really enjoy it cause it made a really good job ar portraying that life is not static. Was Tami pregnant? Who knows. Will Lip ever find a job to fullfil is true potential? who knows. Will Ian a Mickey ever find the way to become parents? Who knows. Will Debbie find a healthy relationship? Who knows. We'll Carl become te new owner of the Alibi? Who knows. Every character had some unfinised bussines in the finale, they all had maybes and wants to resolve cause THAT'S life, it does not end once everyhing his neatly wrapped and has come to an agreable conclusion. Life keeps going and sometines what seemed to be already finished bussines can come undone and force you to figure yourlsef and you life up all again.

@Dgillespie937

2 күн бұрын

I gotta agree I just finished my first rewatch and I probably tweeted as if the show was ending three times and I meant it most in season 7 lol. Just wanted it to end but I knew i had four more seasons to drag through

i completely agree with how they had Lip’s college experience play out bc it is so realistic. when youve lived in poverty all your life and you see all the wealth on a college campus…Class shock is real, and disorienting. I was blown away by the amount of money I saw on campus. Kids in Mercedes and Audi’s who had full meal plans to eat three times a day! but who opted for off campus food instead! they got an allowance from family to buy things and took unpaid internships bc they didn’t need the money… it was so humbling and also depressing

@dannielleburrus6117

6 күн бұрын

I relate to your comment and Lip's experience so much! I got a scholarship to a private university. I grew up very poor with neglectful parents. I got to college and was surrounded by pampered kids who had never known want or hunger. The very idea was unfathomable to them. The culture shock I experienced coming out of poverty was pretty stark. I resented so many of my peers. They had no idea how good and easy their lives were.

“idk if anyone remembers the jacksons” dw sheila is one of the most universally loved characters from the whole show

Unpopular opinion, but Fiona was Frank’s favorite child. There’s two times where Frank is in a near death experience and it’s Fiona who he thinks of. The first instance is the one mentioned in the video where Frank thinks the little girl is Fiona, then at the end of series before Frank dies he is just wondering around Chicago and all the places he goes to are related to Fiona (Patsy’s restaurant, the apartment building she owned). In his most vulnerable moments it’s Fiona he thinks of. Not to mention the few times Frank has referred to Fiona as being beautiful.

@doctormalleycat

3 күн бұрын

That little girl gave up her last moments to comfort a piece of garbage that didn't deserve that beautiful angels time at all it was absolutely heartbreaking she was there in that situation without her father but frank didn't deserve that girls final moments it was hard to watch

@UrbanDecayLova247

3 күн бұрын

I mean she was his first child. The memory he experienced with the girl in the hospital was him feeling guilty for leaving her at the park. He loved Monica and prolly was really excited the first time he heard she was pregnant, maybe thinking having Fiona would change him and Monica…but sadly she couldn’t

Fiona stan til the end. Emmy deserved an Emmy for her performance in the show.

I loved Joan Cusack's character so much. After she left it was never the same.

@JLynnEchelon

7 күн бұрын

Joan Cusack is so great in everything she's in.

@allixterkadaj

3 күн бұрын

Sheila was such an amazing character bc she was a great foil to the typical way most of the characters are

I can’t get over how unfair it is for there to be any Fiona hate… by the time we meet this family Fiona is the only reason they are still alive - she assumed responsibility for her siblings and she loves them, but they are absolutely not her responsibility. She gave up her entire youth and her parents sabotaged her along the way and she will never get those years back.

@shikara24

5 күн бұрын

The only people that hate Fiona are Lip stans, and the majority of Lip stans are people who watched the Bear before watching Shameless, and those people first saw Jeremy Allen White in those Calvin Klein ads. That’s all I have to say about that

My favorite thing about the original uk version compared to the us version is that the Gallagher kids grow and recognize how toxic the family is and they LEAVE and make something for themselves. After a time it got tedious watching the American Gallaghers fall into the same patterns of self sabotage

@Sam1D28

8 күн бұрын

What is the name of the UK version? Is it also called shameless or something else?

@gravityfalls1826

7 күн бұрын

​@Sam1D28 ya it's also called shameless, it's the og.

@Sam1D28

7 күн бұрын

@gravityfalls1826 thank you. And an extra thank you for being kind and answering even if he did mention it later in the video. So double thanks for your kindness as well. I wish you a good day/evening :)

@gravityfalls1826

7 күн бұрын

@@Sam1D28 np, have a good day/evening/night too :)

@barbarahallowell2613

6 күн бұрын

I have to agree there.

As much as it sucks to see all the characters “regress” or continue the cycle I think that’s what the show was ultimately trying to say. That childhood trauma and constant lack of any parents will permanently fuck someone up, most people don’t ever get over it or break the cycle even when the realize it. Lip consistently getting offers that would dirastically better his life but that his trauma and lack of any actual support and never being shone any ways to cope that are healthy lead him to messing up those life changing offers time after time which is hard to watch as a viewer because we see how smart he is and want him to succeed but reality is most people in his shoes would do the same thing especially with the pressure to “do the right thing and make it out the ghetto”. I always think it’s funny watching back when he gets told by the MIT guy about how he’s gonna end up knocking up some chick cuz he won’t wrap it and being stuck never realizing his true potential, because that happens. Same thing with Fiona people are always calling her a hoe etc but fail to realize she literally had to date and sleep with people as a teenager to pay bills or to get certain things in the house done. Plus between frank and Monica they haven’t seen a single little bit of what a healthy or stable relationship even looks like, leading to her constantly getting with men who are like them like jimmy/steve, Sean, her bosses brother, ford. On top of that she does above and beyond for all her siblings always gets shit on and the 2 times she messes up in the show she does take accountability (far more than the others are willing to do) and still gets ragged on and treated like she’s worse than frank. Debby ends up just like her mother and frank. She will pretty much do whatever and whoever to get what she wants and is the classic case of literally following in her parents foot steps. She lies and takes the money from all the other siblings spends it on herself and literally has frank say he’s never loved her so much as seeing her she shed. Ian is bipolar like monica and we see how that progresses till he ends up in jail, he also like lip,Fiona,and Debby is shown to have lots of sex with different people coming back into play with the lack of parental guidance and never seeing healthy relationships, as much as I love to watch them micky and Ian’s storyline has ALOT of toxic elements that really seem to mirror a lot of the toxic elements of frank and Monica’s. I mean the show even makes it seem like micky marrying svet is what actually triggers his bipolar disorder (granted they story spans the whole show) Carl is a good example of a kid who is left to their own devices and not having any coping skills or anything either turns to violence very young. He actually tries to learn a bit from his parents and siblings mistakes being the only one shown to use condoms, getting tested, even realizing he wasn’t okay with someone making him have sex without a condom and calling it assault (idk why they played that off cuz it straight up was what she was doing) and ends up with multiple children by the end that he doesn’t know about, 2 from Ingrid and then tishs. Even when he tries to break the cycle by going to the military school and becoming a cop he ends up being an absent father to his kids against his own will, once again repeating the cycle. Liam is the only one I’m not sure how to really explain because the series ends before we really get to see him grow up or really develop his own character. I can imagine he would probably turn out similarly to Fiona in that they had a good head on their shoulder and were smart kids but getting abandoned by everyone in his life, his mom died, frank dies, Fiona leaves, and at the end they are selling the house and it’s not really clear where Liam is even going or with who. It’s also shown he does have concern about this when he asks where he is gonna go and says everyone is leaving him in the show. I think the constant abandonment would lead him down the same road as Fiona that they will be unstable and have unstable relationships but later in life they will find their own place. Basically all this was me saying that as disappointed as I was watching them make bad choices or be bad people looking at it fully they are doing exactly what broken people with no parents that had to raise themselves would do and I think the show does a great job of showing that and the full extent of how that really does effect someone for the rest of their lives.

@ginao6810

6 күн бұрын

I agree. Lip being a genius, but “trapped” due to childhood trauma is very realistic. My father had genius level intelligence (IQ 147). He was born to immigrants, didn’t speak English until he was 7, was left in an orphanage at 4, was in foster care with amazing parents until 12, when his father took him back - he had the best intentions, but it blew up the first stability these kids had ever had. Today at 74, he is an alcoholic, with undiagnosed ADHD, and probably narcissistic personality disorder. His brother, only 18 months older than him, was even more intelligent and a talented artist, died of AIDS at 50 after 30 years on heroin. My father had no tertiary qualifications, but is a jack of all trades, he can rebuild any engine, build you a house or a car, plumber, electrician, engineer, carpenter. He spent 30 years at sea, can navigate by the stars, drive or sail any kind of water craft in wild conditions (been shipwrecked 4 different times from storms at sea, twice rescued by the navy). Like lip, his happily ever after is being married for 35 year and counting. He really has no concept of family, but has stuck it out as best he can. It’s not very glorious, but maintaining a middle class suburban life - like Lip in the end - is slaying a dragon. It’s an achievement that overcame insurmountable odds to achieve, even though it’s most people’s starting point. Doesn’t make for a very glamorous story, but it’s real. Lip keeping a job, maintaining a relationship, and being a present father to his kids is slaying a dragon.

Not that I’m saying anything unpopular, but I really love Ian and Mickey. Those actors just grew so well into those characters; their chemistry held up the final seasons and radiates through the screen.

I'm sure I'm not the first person to have this opinion, but I feel like Shameless ended when Fiona left, and the subsequent seasons were more like a spin-off series. The younger Gallagher kids were not made to be tragic characters in the same way the older ones were. As a result they didn't have that experience handling the heavier more grounded storylines like Ian or Fiona, and as a result their plots felt more bombastic and over the top. Oz had the same issue in their last two seasons, in which they said all the stories they needed to say up to that point and everything just felt like shock value after season 4

@Zandralily

3 күн бұрын

Don't forget they did the same to orange is the new black and they did some characters dirty

Personally, Ian and Monica were great representations of bipolar disorder, Debbie is insufferable and the one who became the most like Frank, and Mickey and Kev are the best characters. Terry is definitely the worst morally, but I find his scenes hilarious most of the time. 😂

@nuyynuyy

3 күн бұрын

Yeses they definitely leaned in too much into the "lip becomes his father kinda" and if they had just let go of that they would've seen that Debbie was truly like frank, even though frank says she is the most like Monica, like ironically she's the most like himself.

Great video. And I also love Mickey so much because he is so effed up but caring & honest. He is trying to break cycles but they are hard to break. I like Ian & Mickey as characters because they aren’t the media go to gay caricature. And I like that they didn’t have Frank become sober or have atonement with the kids because he never but that work in. It shows how with addiction it pulls you back in & sometimes the people you hurt will walk away. I like that they gave the story of falling into alcoholism and working towards a sober life with Lip. Lip is that “Gifted” that falls down in adulthood. The show also portrays how you can’t force someone into treatment with Lip & Ian. And the people around you balancing out helping and not enabling.

How can people say Fiona is selfish ??? She litteraly sacrificed herself all her life since she was NINE for her siblings and even Frank.

Tbh I feel it’s actually quite a unique yet ironic position Fiona and Lip are in. Both had their respective positions in the house hold as the substitute mother due to being the eldest Fiona and the smart gonna be successful one day Lip actually wish they had each-others roles. Despite them being put in the roles they received due to their birth placement in the family I think they both actually are better and more suited for each-others roles. Like sure Lip throw away his “potential for success” but then actively became the parent the family needed the only imo really good parental figure that came out of that family beyond compare. He is so capable of handling and taking care of the family and kids which it’s not like Fiona didnt but she clearly struggled. Plus due to the trauma she received from it she naturally wanted out of that position and role (it no longer being suited for her) and in turn she strives for success. It’s a very ironic but imo quite fitting dynamic of the siblings having roles they try so desperately to stray away from and actively attempt to do the other ones role themselves without truly being self aware that is what they are attempting to do. ‘Mother’ Fiona eventually goes away cause she’s no longer needed and can’t strive for the role she WANTS and is suited for as a successful businesswoman if she sticks with her family and Lip actively doesn’t wish to be successful to the point of always retreating back to his family/position as a Gallagher. But I’m doing so he is actually okay and fine with being in a guardian/parent esc role for the younger Gallaghers, his own child and the leader of the family unlike Fiona who eventually couldn’t cope and wanted to branch away. Sorry for the yapping but I just find it interesting how the two eldest really tried so hard to step away from their assigned roles in the family and ultimately choose the one the other had. Frankly makes you wonder if there would’ve been the same outcome for each-other just opposite IF Fiona was born second. Would she have been successful if the eldest become parent role didn’t apply to her initially? Or do you think she would’ve been very similar to Lip and try to actively step away from the expectations of being “the one to get away” by the family? Just food for thought.

Love this show. I’ve binged it about 500 times. I love all the characters. You’re spot on about Lip. Lip is smart, but he has a superiority complex… especially when he got sober. He’s one of those recovering addicts who is suddenly on a high horse simply because he’s sober… lecturing and judging everyone else.

@beccas.7762

6 күн бұрын

A-frickin'-men!

One of the best shows ever made! So real and dark but it balances out with a comedic and wholesome side. Also I love Gallavich so Ian and Mickeys storyline was perfect!

I agree with Frank dying in season 4. It would have been so much more interesting.

Emmy Rossum is a phenomenal actress for someone who started off as a Disney kid. Usually they peek on Disney and that's it.

you’ve done an incredible job on this video. i wish more people talked about how what debbie did was blatant r*pe

@matthieulatouche6077

8 күн бұрын

oh please lets not act like he was not just grooming her.

@sofiajennings134

7 күн бұрын

@@matthieulatouche6077 he totatlly was he was 'nice' but not a good guy. That does not mean what she did was not SA. She assualted him.

"We all knew Ian was going to end up with Mickey eventually after being absent" Oh boy. We did NOT. Cameron wanted to quit and for a moment he did but they decided to bring Mickey back last minute (hence the prison together) and the rest is history. Season 7 was supposed to be a glimpse into the past and then we move on forever but... Yeah. All in all we were in the TRENCHES for many, many dry years

you did such a good job of conveying the depth of the show, the characters, and their arcs without getting too bogged down in detail. that must've been hard for million season show.

i feel like binge watching vs watching in real time gave you a completely different experience. even tho it def got less interesting im glad they kept going.

I really wished they killed off frank in the earlier seasons, like most of the times his hijinks were not related to the rest of the family and he was just annoying to watch,he’s not likeable at all and as a villain he’s boring and predictable, on a recent rewatch I skipped most all of the scenes with him

I know people hate Jimmy and his writing was really all over the place but I did feel bad for him when he was reeling from his dad being gay and everyone dumps on him for it, that’s not really my issue, my issue is he *was* going to apologize for bringing it up so much - when they were digging up Aunt Ginger - but Fiona - understandably I will admit - pushes him away when all he wanted was to feel like they were equal in the relationship. Also I can’t help but see Kev as an R rated Van from “Reba” as they’re not only played by the same guy but they’re both equally stupid.

i didn't know what to feel about fiona around the middle seasons but by 11th season i really really wanted her back with them... i really wanted a happy family... i really wanted them to live near each other... man i want closure.. i really hope they all had better lives now...

I love finding a new video essay channel that's just starting up. Your video was entertaining, can't wait to see more.

@MysticalFilmNerd

9 күн бұрын

Thankyou so much I appreciate that ! Glad you enjoyed !

I was considering rewatching this show, but I had forgotten how much grape it has. So thanks for saving me from that and also great video!!!!

@stephennootens916

4 күн бұрын

If I remember right the original UK show was.much more bleaker. The two shows go off in different directions after the first season.

tbh i prefer seasons 5-8 over seasons 2-3 its not that i hate them but 5-8 just have the more interesting plotlines to me and ngl season 2 is lowkey boing season 4 is easily the best closely followed by season 1

One reason why S1 one was probably so great is because it already had some building blocks from Shameless UK to work off from. S1 in the US version practically has the same storylines as UK S1.

Just found this channel and lemme just say your channel is one of my favorites for commentary! Found you from your All American video and lemme tell you this channel is gonna blow up. Keep crushing it!

@MysticalFilmNerd

11 күн бұрын

Thankyou so much for your kind words !

Shameless is one of my favorite shows of all time. I watched it for the first time last year and I’ve never been so emotionally invested in a show before. It’s one of a kind and one of the best shows in television history. I love how all the characters are flawed as people, that neither are completely good or bad, they’re products of their environment and it causes them to be, as the name of the show is, shameless. At one point I ever completely loved or loathed the Gallagher kids because they have great and bad qualities that make them so compelling

I disagree i think the show was amazing form beginning to end except the ending was severely lacking and anti climactic. I dont really see lips seemingly sudden drop in intelligence as bad writing. It COULD be but i think it makes a little sense seeing as how he spent so much of show not sober and he had to forget about school all together and just work a regular 9 to 5. After he got kicked out of school there really wasn't anything stimulating his brain so he really had no reason to use academic smarts in the later seasons.

I'm glad this was recommended to me. Thank you for your recap and perspective! I subscribed after the first few minutes

@MysticalFilmNerd

8 күн бұрын

Awesome ! Thankyou !

Good stuff man. Keep it up. 🍻

I can't speak on anyone else, but I know from my own personal experience that breaking the cycle of self sabotage is extremely difficult. I see a lot of myself in Lip and I'm currently at a point in my life where I feel I'm at my lowest. Digging yourself into that hole is easy when you've already been put into that hole. My only saving grace is my best friend. She's the one who takes the shovel from my hands. I'm stuck with my situation and my whole childhood I was told that I was smart, that I was gifted. I didn't have a goal in mind for a career, so I just threw myself into college after I graduated only to experience panic attacks every time I went to class, so I just stopped going. I feel like how Lip ended up in his way is just so hard-hitting realistic to me. Disappointing to watch but almost like a cautionary tale for someone like him, like me. I don't have any hope for humanity and it seems like I'm just looking through a tunnel with a dim light at the end. Maybe I can try to accomplish what Lip couldn't and get the hell out, it'll just take a lot of effort to reach that light. Edit side-note: Unpopular opinion, I ****ing hate Frank and I wanted to punch him every time I saw him, he made me physically sick. It's funny how people love and hate him just like they do in the show. I'm just a big hater, lmao

literally currently going through my first ever watch of this show on season 7 right now and these have been some of my exact thoughts and feelings , great video!

Keep up the good videos bro don’t ever stop

This was my first video of yours and I really enjoyed it! I love video essays and retrospectives and you did a good job of discussing and summarizing this show! One recommendation is to turn the background music down a bit, I found it a little distracting. But overall, GREAT JOB!!

Loved the show but couple thoughts. I was ok with Fiona leaving but Liam was a toddler WTF? I was disappointed Lip didn’t do better in life. He could t get at least a half way decent job. Debbie was horrible I mean horrible. She was hard to watch. Ian and Mikey truly made the show. The last season with selling the house and how Lip messed that up but the thing that made me angry was no one thought to reassure Liam that he wasn’t going to be homeless. I also felt like it was an afterthought of Lip telling him “you can live with me.”

@camdenhunt7565

6 күн бұрын

Lip had a lot of potential but I think that was the point. He is given a chance over and over again to be better and make a better choice, and he doesn't. I also grew up in a poor neighborhood and I know people that still live there, and not because of a lack of opportunities or connections, they still have the same job etc. they're just stuck.

Fiona was the best and then Mickey and Ian love story then lip, then Frank, then Carl. The most interesting and fun to watch.

Great video!! I would only point out that the background music could be a bit lower since it distracts from you talking. I’m definitely subscribing!

I wanted it to end when the mom died something about that felt so final and the perfect reason to end

Hey I'm #200! I hope to see your KZread channel grow

@MysticalFilmNerd

8 күн бұрын

Thankyou so much !

This is the best retrospective of the show. Damn 🎉 would love to see you do additional shameless vids

@MysticalFilmNerd

3 күн бұрын

Appreciate the love thankyou

I will always, always call him Jimmy Jack Steve

I’m halfway through the video and im loving it *likes and subscribes*

Kevin with the pay it forward guy was the funniest scene in the series

Season 7 should’ve been the last season. That last scene where we see all the Gallagher’s have got their lives together was beautiful

And here I was thinking this show ended with season 5.

When I recently rewatched the show, I ended at season 7, bc personally, that´s the real ending

30:25 ah, yes. The famous ocean outside of definitely coastal Chicago.

You literally underrated

@kcbh24

5 күн бұрын

*You are, and you don't need the word 'literally'.

Awesome video! I love this show so much, even the “bad” clips you showed made me smile or laugh 🤣 If u perhaps enjoy horror, the movie Oculus directed by Mike Flanagan is underrated and REALLY good. (Its not very scary! I just think the acting, cinematography, direction, writing, ending etc. are all incredible.)

they all say the Gallagher thing a lot because all they know is supporting each other, now matter what.

Personallu i found lip to be a better parent figure than fiona, he obviously fucks up but not as bad as fiona has and made life for him and his siblings slightly better

@dumbdumb6222

8 күн бұрын

I think lip in general is a good person and has definitely seen Fiona's mistakes. But Fiona was very young when she took on the parenting role. She had her own issues and still she managed to come up with squirrel fund etc. I won't compare the two because lip certainly had the privilege to see better parents, whereas Fiona couldn't ever be her own person because she never looked beyond her siblings until she left

@Alchemicalgrrrrrl

7 күн бұрын

That entitled mommy issues riddled addict was a better parent? Not till Season 7.

@Aly_224

6 күн бұрын

He literally ruined his chance to get an incredibly high value education that was handed to him. Fiona left them with like $50,000. He fucked up wayyy worse than she did. Let’s look at the facts. She left them with money and lip had nothing

@dumbdumb6222

6 күн бұрын

@@Aly_224 he ruined his chance at education because he was an alcohol addict. And fiona and mandy were the reason he got the chance to so it anyway.

@shikara24

5 күн бұрын

LMFAOOO WHAT?!?

I have always wanted to watch this show but just couldn’t get around to it

my biggest issue with this show is the inability of the writers to handle all the serious topics they add into the show. if they didnt take a "lets throw X trauma into the show just to see if it sticks" approach the show wouldnt have fell apart so bad. like we literally have debbie take over as caretaker when shes a convicted pedophile, a date rapist and a worse mom than fiona ever was and the show writers just dont care? or like lips gf at the end of the show having a big reveal that she was groomed by a teacher that amounts to her going "wow i was an innocent girl and he took advantage of me" while lip kind of grins about it lmfao and like this all happens in a single 30 minute c plot in the 4th to last episode. they never try to touch ian being transphobic as a gay man after setting that up. like its literally the opening of the powerpuff girls where he adds CHEMICAL X but instead its a bunch of overpayed writers adding "pepper" from the wrong side of the dump opener on the can.

I recommend you watch the og UK version of Shameless (I watched it on Tubi) there are some similarities they have to the US counterparts but it goes in a pretty different direction. And the focus slowly shifts from the Gallaghers to the Maguires/others in general. Has 11 seasons as well! I'd be interested in a video if you ended up watching it and wanted to give it a retrospective video one day

@stephennootens916

4 күн бұрын

It is also a bit darker than the US version if I remember right. I saw some of the show back in the day when they had BBC on American cable with East Enders and Shameless.

@kwynn1016

4 күн бұрын

@@stephennootens916 I've never actually watched the US version but from what I've seen, the UK version is definitely darker and more raunchy

36:37 Kevin quickly turned into Van from Reba lol

For me seasons 10 and 11 are my comfort seasons. Are they as dramatic and dark as seasons 1-5? No! But that’s the point. It’s fun! I had fun! It felt nice. No one will ever make me hate them. And I get the series finale. The show will always go on. Even if we don’t ever get to be on the road with any of them. But I’ll choose them over 8 and 9 easily.

i absolutely love ian and his story but the gay jesus arc was so painful to watch..

Interesting sidebar about Debbie. The actress that plays her went on to play Harris on “Roseanne/ The Conners”, and she’s just as insufferable on that show too.

I literally cannot stand lip the most man.

I tend to notice that people who come from and were raised in a similar background tend to love the mid seasons just as much as the early ones while the people who grew up privileged with healthy family dynamics like early seasons, especially 4, while just tolerating the mid to late ones and I think it’s because in seasons 5 through 7, the Gallaghers don’t go through as much trauma and tribulations as they did in seasons 2-4 so to those from better upbringings, it comes off as boring because seeing the struggles of the Gallaghers is merely entertainment to them while for those of us from a harsher background, those darker seasons/moments are an unfortunate part of our realities we don’t wanna see when watching television. To this day, I’ve only watched season 4 ONCE, it’s just too traumatising

Brutal? Yes, realistic, he'll nah

Fiona left and I felt like the heart left, but I agree the first 4 are the best. Stopped watching after she left, I tried and it just wasnt the same. Lip is my fav, and I like Ian. I literally didn't finish it and I just listened to you say...Frank died of COVID? Really? What a cop out! I hate Debbie, I really do, I never liked her character. I was pissed when they turn on Fiona, I Iike her character and I love V and Kevin❤

Frank is very similar to my own parents. I can see myself and my siblings in all of the Gallagher children. I liked Frank’s ending because it was realistic and honest. Debbie is a perfect example of how being raised like that makes you behave like being awful is normal. Mickey is probably the greatest character ever on the US version.

@MandaMalice

8 күн бұрын

In the original UK version Fiona does leave to go be with Jimmy/Steve.

@stephennootens916

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Realistically he should have died much earlier given how much work it takes when you have a organ transplant. In the UK if I remember right he is the last family living in the neighborhood and he becomes less of a lead character.

D*mn, getting a new liver and still go on drinking is sad af. 😕

I skipped 8 and jumped several episodes in 10. Not worth the time.

I thought he had Alzheimer's and killed himself for it??

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Not sure why you find it so weird that Frank should die of covid. He was old, in bad health and didn't take care of himself. All factors which would make him more likely to succumb. Or is it just that you don't personally know someone who died of covid so you don't think it happened? Because yeah, it did. I know people who died of it who were a lot healthier than Frank.

I watched one or two episodes. It tries too hard.

imo the show became boring after s4-5🧏🏾‍♂️🧏🏾‍♂️🧏🏾‍♂️🧏🏾‍♂️🧏🏾‍♂️🧏🏾‍♂️🧏🏾‍♂️🧏🏾‍♂️