Thank you for this amazing channel and its academic level. I would like to add to Dr. Shady's point that many Muslims may not be aware of the various readings of the Quran and the differences between them. However, when learning the Quran at an early age, teachers often explain the different readings, such as the reading of Hafs or Warsh, to their students. This helps young learners become familiar with the rich tradition of Quranic recitation and appreciate the diverse ways in which the Quran is recited and preserved.

Great scholar and great session

This was brilliant. I really appreciate this thorough discussion as an ex Muslim

@farhanwyne6040

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1- Shady Hekmat Nasir and Gabriel Reynolds had the sheer audacity to interpret Quranic verse 15:9 as they deemed fit. The Quranic verse 15:9 explicitly guarantees the protection of the ‘’Message’’ (The Quran) by God. However, these ‘’Geniuses’’ while utilizing their pea sized brains narrowed the meaning down to demons and Satan, while leaving out God's protection against corrupt human beings or textual alteration that might be due to human error. The extent of shallow mindedness these two "'Intellectuals'' displayed in this session is extremely embarrassing. ‘’We have, without doubt, sent down the Message; and We will assuredly guard it.’’ (Quran 15:9) 2- Apart from chapter 15 verse 9 in which God explicitly promises The Quran’s protection. God also assures the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) that He (GOD) is responsible for the collection, recitation and articulation of the Quran in chapter 75. ''It is for Us to collect it and to promulgate it. Therefore, when We have recited it, follow its recitation. Then, it is for Us to formulate its articulation." (Quran 75: 17-19) 3- Hekmat Nasir very conveniently said, who knows weather ‘’Zikr’’ in chapter 15 verse 9 does in fact refer to The Quran or not. This despicable person didn''t had the wits to mention that The Quran has been linked with ‘’Zikr’’ in numerous places including: 20:3, 38:1, 38:49, 65:10, 68:52 74:54, 76:29, 80:11, 81:27. This again highlights Hekmat Nasir's bias and sheer academic dishonesty. 4- The Quran is NOT a point of dissension or split between the Muslim Community. Every sect in Islam be it Sunni, Shia, Barelvi, Deobandi etc or even the Ahmadiyya, they all recite the Uthmanic Quran, the majority (more than 90%) reciting the mutawatir (mass transmitted) Qira’at of Hafs an Asim while others recite mass transmitted Qira'at of Warsh an Naafi or one of the 10 mutawatir Qira'at. There Is Only difference when it comes to the interpretation of some verses. 5- Unlike The New Testament, which has no attested manuscripts from the 1st century CE and has variants that have deep and profound theological implications on Christianity, the whole Quran is attested in WRITING (manuscripts) from the 7th century CE, backed by mutawatir (mass transmitted) oral tradition that goes back to Prophet Muhammad SW. Some of the manuscripts can viewed on the following site: www.islamic-awareness.org/quran/text/mss/ 6- Regarding The tradition which came up in this session: Narrated by Anas bin Malik: ‘’Hudhaifa bin Al-Yaman came to `Uthman at the time when the people of Sham and the people of Iraq were Waging war to conquer Arminya and Adharbijan. Hudhaifa was afraid of their (the people of Sham and Iraq) differences in the recitation of the Qur'an, so he said to `Uthman, "O chief of the Believers! Save this nation before they differ about the Book (Qur'an) as Jews and the Christians did before." So `Uthman sent a message to Hafsa saying, "Send us the manuscripts of the Qur'an so that we may compile the Qur'anic materials in perfect copies and return the manuscripts to you." Hafsa sent it to `Uthman. `Uthman then ordered Zaid bin Thabit, `Abdullah bin AzZubair, Sa`id bin Al-As and `AbdurRahman bin Harith bin Hisham to rewrite the manuscripts in perfect copies. `Uthman said to the three Quraishi men, "In case you disagree with Zaid bin Thabit on any point in the Qur'an, then write it in the dialect of Quraish, the Qur'an was revealed in their tongue." They did so, and when they had written many copies, `Uthman returned the original manuscripts to Hafsa. `Uthman sent to every Muslim province one copy of what they had copied, and ordered that all the other Qur'anic materials, whether written in fragmentary manuscripts or whole copies, be burnt.’’ This aforementioned tradition is questioned for its credibility and integrity by some pseudo-intellectuals since they claim that all the traditions that concern with the standardization of the Holy Quran by the Caliph Uthman have Ibn Shihab al-Zuhri in the chain of transmission, hence they say that the Muslim narrative is highly questionable since it revolves around a single person, Ibn Shihab al-Zuhri . This is again an invalid and preposterous claim. There are countless authentic traditions with strong isnad (chain of transmission) without Ibn Shihab al-Zuhri that substantiate and cements the Muslim narrative regarding Uthman’s standardization of The Quran. For example, the following tradition talks about an abrogated verse that Uthman included while standardizing the Quranic text, narrated in Sahih Al Bukhari (Ibn Shihab is not in the chain) Narrated Ibn Az-Zubair: ''I said to `Uthman, "This Verse which is in Surat-al-Baqara: "Those of you who die and leave widows behind...without turning them out." has been abrogated by another Verse. Why then do you write it (in the Qur'an)?" `Uthman said. "Leave it (where it is), O the son of my brother, for I will not shift anything of it (i.e. the Qur'an) from its original position." (Reference: Sahih Al-Bukhari) Apart from these traditions, it has been established based on evidence that Standardized Quranic codices were infact sent to major cities during the caliphate of Uthman. Anyone interested can see the works of Dr. Hythem Sidky. 7- Then Shady Nasir asserted that the committee formulated by Caliph Uthman consisted of companions who were extremely young when the Prophet was alive and hence Uthman’s motives and wisdom with regards to the formulation of the committee is questionable. Hekmat Nasir yet again deliberately didn’t mention that Zaid bin Thabit, who was given the task to head the committee by Uthman, was a scribe appointed by Prophet Muhammad SW, and was responsible for recording revelations during Prophet Muhammad’s (peace be upon him) lifetime. Not only did Zaid record revelations for the Prophet but the Prophet had also instructed him to learn Hebrew and other languages as Zaid bin Thabit was a highly intelligent man and was gifted by ALLAH with great intellect and memory. Shady Hekmat Nasir needs to mend his ways, else he will be remembered as nothing more than an ignorant fool who used to propagate nothing but nonsense.

@andrewbernier4385

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@@farhanwyne6040 Jazak'Allah khair for putting this together brother, unfortunately with the popularity of Islam among subversive academics, we're now going to get the same dishonest treatment of these charlatans as Christians and Jews have received. Any fool will cling to their words to save them from the Truth of the Book. Salam.

@Ashley-fx8uh

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@@farhanwyne6040 are u Muslim?

@michaelonwuamaegbu1637

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@@farhanwyne6040 Angry angry person. How can someone take you serious when you are talking so disgustingly. This is how you defend your faith? Sounds like ideological possession. God bless I wish you the best.

@bentan7610

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@Ashley Obviously he is. Can't u detect the propogandist for islam in his comments? Those are just statements of his faith as a muslim must profess in their koran, as opposed to the facts of multiple variants in the transmissions and historical compilations and evolution of the many qurans that were floating around over the centuries. Dr S. Nasser pointed out here the differences between Shiah and Sunni islamic theories about the Quran's "source". This conflict is a major source of conflicts and contradictions between the 2 largest sects of Islam until even now, there's no agreement over that within the muslim world.

I was missing Dr. Shady Naser. He's like an ocean of knowledge, hopefully he will share it with us in this interview

@farhanwyne6040

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1- Shady Hekmat Nasir and Gabriel Reynolds had the sheer audacity to interpret Quranic verse 15:9 as they deemed fit. The Quranic verse 15:9 explicitly guarantees the protection of the ‘’Message’’ (The Quran) by God. However, these ‘’Geniuses’’ while utilizing their pea sized brains narrowed the meaning down to demons and Satan, while leaving out God's protection against corrupt human beings or textual alteration that might be due to human error. The extent of shallow mindedness these two "'Intellectuals'' displayed in this session is extremely embarrassing. ‘’We have, without doubt, sent down the Message; and We will assuredly guard it.’’ (Quran 15:9) 2- Apart from chapter 15 verse 9 in which God explicitly promises The Quran’s protection. God also assures the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) that He (GOD) is responsible for the collection, recitation and articulation of the Quran in chapter 75. ''It is for Us to collect it and to promulgate it. Therefore, when We have recited it, follow its recitation. Then, it is for Us to formulate its articulation." (Quran 75: 17-19) 3- Hekmat Nasir very conveniently said, who knows weather ‘’Zikr’’ in chapter 15 verse 9 does in fact refer to The Quran or not. This despicable person didn''t had the wits to mention that The Quran has been linked with ‘’Zikr’’ in numerous places including: 20:3, 38:1, 38:49, 65:10, 68:52 74:54, 76:29, 80:11, 81:27. This again highlights Hekmat Nasir's bias and sheer academic dishonesty. 4- The Quran is NOT a point of dissension or split between the Muslim Community. Every sect in Islam be it Sunni, Shia, Barelvi, Deobandi etc or even the Ahmadiyya, they all recite the Uthmanic Quran, the majority (more than 90%) reciting the mutawatir (mass transmitted) Qira’at of Hafs an Asim while others recite mass transmitted Qira'at of Warsh an Naafi or one of the 10 other mutawatir Qira'at. There Is Only difference when it comes to the interpretation of some verses. 5- Unlike The New Testament, which has no attested manuscripts from the 1st century CE and has variants that have deep and profound theological implications on Christianity, the whole Quran is attested in WRITING (manuscripts) from the 7th century CE, backed by mutawatir (mass transmitted) oral tradition that goes back to Prophet Muhammad SW. Some of the manuscripts can viewed on the following site: www.islamic-awareness.org/quran/text/mss/ 6- Regarding The tradition which came up in this session: Narrated by Anas bin Malik: ‘’Hudhaifa bin Al-Yaman came to `Uthman at the time when the people of Sham and the people of Iraq were Waging war to conquer Arminya and Adharbijan. Hudhaifa was afraid of their (the people of Sham and Iraq) differences in the recitation of the Qur'an, so he said to `Uthman, "O chief of the Believers! Save this nation before they differ about the Book (Qur'an) as Jews and the Christians did before." So `Uthman sent a message to Hafsa saying, "Send us the manuscripts of the Qur'an so that we may compile the Qur'anic materials in perfect copies and return the manuscripts to you." Hafsa sent it to `Uthman. `Uthman then ordered Zaid bin Thabit, `Abdullah bin AzZubair, Sa`id bin Al-As and `AbdurRahman bin Harith bin Hisham to rewrite the manuscripts in perfect copies. `Uthman said to the three Quraishi men, "In case you disagree with Zaid bin Thabit on any point in the Qur'an, then write it in the dialect of Quraish, the Qur'an was revealed in their tongue." They did so, and when they had written many copies, `Uthman returned the original manuscripts to Hafsa. `Uthman sent to every Muslim province one copy of what they had copied, and ordered that all the other Qur'anic materials, whether written in fragmentary manuscripts or whole copies, be burnt.’’ This aforementioned tradition is questioned for its credibility and integrity by some pseudo-intellectuals since they claim that all the traditions that concern with the standardization of the Holy Quran by the Caliph Uthman have Ibn Shihab al-Zuhri in the chain of transmission, hence they say that the Muslim narrative is highly questionable since it revolves around a single person, Ibn Shihab al-Zuhri . This is again an invalid and preposterous claim. There are countless authentic traditions with strong isnad (chain of transmission) without Ibn Shihab al-Zuhri that substantiate and cements the Muslim narrative regarding Uthman’s standardization of The Quran. For example, the following tradition talks about an abrogated verse that Uthman included while standardizing the Quranic text, narrated in Sahih Al Bukhari (Ibn Shihab is not in the chain) Narrated Ibn Az-Zubair: ''I said to `Uthman, "This Verse which is in Surat-al-Baqara: "Those of you who die and leave widows behind...without turning them out." has been abrogated by another Verse. Why then do you write it (in the Qur'an)?" `Uthman said. "Leave it (where it is), O the son of my brother, for I will not shift anything of it (i.e. the Qur'an) from its original position." (Reference: Sahih Al-Bukhari) Apart from these traditions, it has been established based of evidence that Standardized Quranic codices were infact sent to major cities during the caliphate of Uthman. Anyone interested can see the works of Dr. Hythem Sidky. 7- Then Shady Nasir asserted that the committee formulated by Caliph Uthman consisted of companions who were extremely young when the Prophet was alive and hence Uthman’s motives and wisdom with regards to the formulation of the committee is questionable. Hekmat Nasir yet again deliberately didn’t mention that Zaid bin Thabit, who was given the task to head the committee by Uthman, was a scribe appointed by Prophet Muhammad SW, and was responsible for recording revelations during Prophet Muhammad’s (peace be upon him) lifetime. Not only did Zaid record revelations for the Prophet but the Prophet had also instructed him to learn Hebrew and other languages as Zaid bin Thabit was a highly intelligent man and was gifted by ALLAH with great intellect and memory. Shady Hekmat Nasir needs to mend his ways, else he will be remembered as nothing more than an ignorant fool who used to propagate nothing but nonsense.

@Ashley-fx8uh

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@@farhanwyne6040 are u Muslim?

@user-kt3uv7nf7i

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@@farhanwyne6040You can email him directly if you want to present your argument.

Please do a video on the history of Ilm al Rajal(biographical evaluation) of the hadith narrarators.

@farhanwyne6040

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1- Shady Hekmat Nasir and Gabriel Reynolds had the sheer audacity to interpret Quranic verse 15:9 as they deemed fit. The Quranic verse 15:9 explicitly guarantees the protection of the ‘’Message’’ (The Quran) by God. However, these ‘’Geniuses’’ while utilizing their pea sized brains narrowed the meaning down to demons and Satan, while leaving out God's protection against corrupt human beings or textual alteration that might be due to human error. The extent of shallow mindedness these two "'Intellectuals'' displayed in this session is extremely embarrassing. ‘’We have, without doubt, sent down the Message; and We will assuredly guard it.’’ (Quran 15:9) 2- Apart from chapter 15 verse 9 in which God explicitly promises The Quran’s protection. God also assures the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) that He (GOD) is responsible for the collection, recitation and articulation of the Quran in chapter 75. ''It is for Us to collect it and to promulgate it. Therefore, when We have recited it, follow its recitation. Then, it is for Us to formulate its articulation." (Quran 75: 17-19) 3- Hekmat Nasir very conveniently said, who knows weather ‘’Zikr’’ in chapter 15 verse 9 does in fact refer to The Quran or not. This despicable person didn''t had the wits to mention that The Quran has been linked with ‘’Zikr’’ in numerous places including: 20:3, 38:1, 38:49, 65:10, 68:52 74:54, 76:29, 80:11, 81:27. This again highlights Hekmat Nasir's bias and sheer academic dishonesty. 4- The Quran is NOT a point of dissension or split between the Muslim Community. Every sect in Islam be it Sunni, Shia, Barelvi, Deobandi etc or even the Ahmadiyya, they all recite the Uthmanic Quran, the majority (more than 90%) reciting the mutawatir (mass transmitted) Qira’at of Hafs an Asim while others recite mass transmitted Qira'at of Warsh an Naafi or one of the 10 other mutawatir Qira'at. There Is Only difference when it comes to the interpretation of some verses. 5- Unlike The New Testament, which has no attested manuscripts from the 1st century CE and has variants that have deep and profound theological implications on Christianity, the whole Quran is attested in WRITING (manuscripts) from the 7th century CE, backed by mutawatir (mass transmitted) oral tradition that goes back to Prophet Muhammad SW. Some of the manuscripts can viewed on the following site: www.islamic-awareness.org/quran/text/mss/ 6- Regarding The tradition which came up in this session: Narrated by Anas bin Malik: ‘’Hudhaifa bin Al-Yaman came to `Uthman at the time when the people of Sham and the people of Iraq were Waging war to conquer Arminya and Adharbijan. Hudhaifa was afraid of their (the people of Sham and Iraq) differences in the recitation of the Qur'an, so he said to `Uthman, "O chief of the Believers! Save this nation before they differ about the Book (Qur'an) as Jews and the Christians did before." So `Uthman sent a message to Hafsa saying, "Send us the manuscripts of the Qur'an so that we may compile the Qur'anic materials in perfect copies and return the manuscripts to you." Hafsa sent it to `Uthman. `Uthman then ordered Zaid bin Thabit, `Abdullah bin AzZubair, Sa`id bin Al-As and `AbdurRahman bin Harith bin Hisham to rewrite the manuscripts in perfect copies. `Uthman said to the three Quraishi men, "In case you disagree with Zaid bin Thabit on any point in the Qur'an, then write it in the dialect of Quraish, the Qur'an was revealed in their tongue." They did so, and when they had written many copies, `Uthman returned the original manuscripts to Hafsa. `Uthman sent to every Muslim province one copy of what they had copied, and ordered that all the other Qur'anic materials, whether written in fragmentary manuscripts or whole copies, be burnt.’’ This aforementioned tradition is questioned for its credibility and integrity by some pseudo-intellectuals since they claim that all the traditions that concern with the standardization of the Holy Quran by the Caliph Uthman have Ibn Shihab al-Zuhri in the chain of transmission, hence they say that the Muslim narrative is highly questionable since it revolves around a single person, Ibn Shihab al-Zuhri . This is again an invalid and preposterous claim. There are countless authentic traditions with strong isnad (chain of transmission) without Ibn Shihab al-Zuhri that substantiate and cements the Muslim narrative regarding Uthman’s standardization of The Quran. For example, the following tradition talks about an abrogated verse that Uthman included while standardizing the Quranic text, narrated in Sahih Al Bukhari (Ibn Shihab is not in the chain) Narrated Ibn Az-Zubair: ''I said to `Uthman, "This Verse which is in Surat-al-Baqara: "Those of you who die and leave widows behind...without turning them out." has been abrogated by another Verse. Why then do you write it (in the Qur'an)?" `Uthman said. "Leave it (where it is), O the son of my brother, for I will not shift anything of it (i.e. the Qur'an) from its original position." (Reference: Sahih Al-Bukhari) Apart from these traditions, it has been established based of evidence that Standardized Quranic codices were infact sent to major cities during the caliphate of Uthman. Anyone interested can see the works of Dr. Hythem Sidky. 7- Then Shady Nasir asserted that the committee formulated by Caliph Uthman consisted of companions who were extremely young when the Prophet was alive and hence Uthman’s motives and wisdom with regards to the formulation of the committee is questionable. Hekmat Nasir yet again deliberately didn’t mention that Zaid bin Thabit, who was given the task to head the committee by Uthman, was a scribe appointed by Prophet Muhammad SW, and was responsible for recording revelations during Prophet Muhammad’s (peace be upon him) lifetime. Not only did Zaid record revelations for the Prophet but the Prophet had also instructed him to learn Hebrew and other languages as Zaid bin Thabit was a highly intelligent man and was gifted by ALLAH with great intellect and memory. Shady Hekmat Nasir needs to mend his ways, else he will be remembered as nothing more than an ignorant fool who used to propagate nothing but nonsense.

This was absolutely amazing! I seriously thank you for this episode Dr. Reynolds!

@farhanwyne6040

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1- Shady Hekmat Nasir and Gabriel Reynolds had the sheer audacity to interpret Quranic verse 15:9 as they deemed fit. The Quranic verse 15:9 explicitly guarantees the protection of the ‘’Message’’ (The Quran) by God. However, these ‘’Geniuses’’ while utilizing their pea sized brains narrowed the meaning down to demons and Satan, while leaving out God's protection against corrupt human beings or textual alteration that might be due to human error. The extent of shallow mindedness these two "'Intellectuals'' displayed in this session is extremely embarrassing. ‘’We have, without doubt, sent down the Message; and We will assuredly guard it.’’ (Quran 15:9) 2- Apart from chapter 15 verse 9 in which God explicitly promises The Quran’s protection. God also assures the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) that He (GOD) is responsible for the collection, recitation and articulation of the Quran in chapter 75. ''It is for Us to collect it and to promulgate it. Therefore, when We have recited it, follow its recitation. Then, it is for Us to formulate its articulation." (Quran 75: 17-19) 3- Hekmat Nasir very conveniently said, who knows weather ‘’Zikr’’ in chapter 15 verse 9 does in fact refer to The Quran or not. This despicable person didn''t had the wits to mention that The Quran has been linked with ‘’Zikr’’ in numerous places including: 20:3, 38:1, 38:49, 65:10, 68:52 74:54, 76:29, 80:11, 81:27. This again highlights Hekmat Nasir's bias and sheer academic dishonesty. 4- The Quran is NOT a point of dissension or split between the Muslim Community. Every sect in Islam be it Sunni, Shia, Barelvi, Deobandi etc or even the Ahmadiyya, they all recite the Uthmanic Quran, the majority (more than 90%) reciting the mutawatir (mass transmitted) Qira’at of Hafs an Asim while others recite mass transmitted Qira'at of Warsh an Naafi or one of the 10 other mutawatir Qira'at. There Is Only difference when it comes to the interpretation of some verses. 5- Unlike The New Testament, which has no attested manuscripts from the 1st century CE and has variants that have deep and profound theological implications on Christianity, the whole Quran is attested in WRITING (manuscripts) from the 7th century CE, backed by mutawatir (mass transmitted) oral tradition that goes back to Prophet Muhammad SW. Some of the manuscripts can viewed on the following site: www.islamic-awareness.org/quran/text/mss/ 6- Regarding The tradition which came up in this session: Narrated by Anas bin Malik: ‘’Hudhaifa bin Al-Yaman came to `Uthman at the time when the people of Sham and the people of Iraq were Waging war to conquer Arminya and Adharbijan. Hudhaifa was afraid of their (the people of Sham and Iraq) differences in the recitation of the Qur'an, so he said to `Uthman, "O chief of the Believers! Save this nation before they differ about the Book (Qur'an) as Jews and the Christians did before." So `Uthman sent a message to Hafsa saying, "Send us the manuscripts of the Qur'an so that we may compile the Qur'anic materials in perfect copies and return the manuscripts to you." Hafsa sent it to `Uthman. `Uthman then ordered Zaid bin Thabit, `Abdullah bin AzZubair, Sa`id bin Al-As and `AbdurRahman bin Harith bin Hisham to rewrite the manuscripts in perfect copies. `Uthman said to the three Quraishi men, "In case you disagree with Zaid bin Thabit on any point in the Qur'an, then write it in the dialect of Quraish, the Qur'an was revealed in their tongue." They did so, and when they had written many copies, `Uthman returned the original manuscripts to Hafsa. `Uthman sent to every Muslim province one copy of what they had copied, and ordered that all the other Qur'anic materials, whether written in fragmentary manuscripts or whole copies, be burnt.’’ This aforementioned tradition is questioned for its credibility and integrity by some pseudo-intellectuals since they claim that all the traditions that concern with the standardization of the Holy Quran by the Caliph Uthman have Ibn Shihab al-Zuhri in the chain of transmission, hence they say that the Muslim narrative is highly questionable since it revolves around a single person, Ibn Shihab al-Zuhri . This is again an invalid and preposterous claim. There are countless authentic traditions with strong isnad (chain of transmission) without Ibn Shihab al-Zuhri that substantiate and cements the Muslim narrative regarding Uthman’s standardization of The Quran. For example, the following tradition talks about an abrogated verse that Uthman included while standardizing the Quranic text, narrated in Sahih Al Bukhari (Ibn Shihab is not in the chain) Narrated Ibn Az-Zubair: ''I said to `Uthman, "This Verse which is in Surat-al-Baqara: "Those of you who die and leave widows behind...without turning them out." has been abrogated by another Verse. Why then do you write it (in the Qur'an)?" `Uthman said. "Leave it (where it is), O the son of my brother, for I will not shift anything of it (i.e. the Qur'an) from its original position." (Reference: Sahih Al-Bukhari) Apart from these traditions, it has been established based of evidence that Standardized Quranic codices were infact sent to major cities during the caliphate of Uthman. Anyone interested can see the works of Dr. Hythem Sidky. 7- Then Shady Nasir asserted that the committee formulated by Caliph Uthman consisted of companions who were extremely young when the Prophet was alive and hence Uthman’s motives and wisdom with regards to the formulation of the committee is questionable. Hekmat Nasir yet again deliberately didn’t mention that Zaid bin Thabit, who was given the task to head the committee by Uthman, was a scribe appointed by Prophet Muhammad SW, and was responsible for recording revelations during Prophet Muhammad’s (peace be upon him) lifetime. Not only did Zaid record revelations for the Prophet but the Prophet had also instructed him to learn Hebrew and other languages as Zaid bin Thabit was a highly intelligent man and was gifted by ALLAH with great intellect and memory. Shady Hekmat Nasir needs to mend his ways, else he will be remembered as nothing more than an ignorant fool who used to propagate nothing but nonsense.

@farhanwyne6040

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@ummalqoera1454

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I Watched your comments on the film: Testament History of Moses.

Learning Knowledge between time and Muslim Tradition.

When Dr. Nasser is talking about "Uthmanic Codex", which codex does he refer to?

@Erfan

10 ай бұрын

the original , first one.

@lyglo_apologetics

9 ай бұрын

@@Erfan many companions had their own quran different with one another, which one is the original?

@Zazamarkle

3 ай бұрын

And yet they claim there is only one qura

@lyglo_apologetics

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@@Zazamarkle #ReligionOfClaims

Dr. Shady Nasser is the best scholar on this topic. What a great interview, looking forward to any future interviews (hopefully regarding Ibn Mujahid!). Thanks so much! God bless.

@inquisitivemind007

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Add to that Marijn van Putten and Hythem Sidky - the "terrific trio" I call them three. All Muslim Apologists are terrified of them.

@janddbackup

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@@farhanwyne6040 this is nothing more than useless spam. Please educate yourself on these matters before spewing such nonsense. Jesus is LORD and the Bible, God’s Word, is preserved. Repent and believe. “that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.” For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him. For “whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.”” - ‭‭Romans‬ ‭10:9-13‬‬

@farhanwyne6040

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1- Shady Hekmat Nasir and Gabriel Reynolds had the sheer audacity to interpret Quranic verse 15:9 as they deemed fit. The Quranic verse 15:9 explicitly guarantees the protection of the ‘’Message’’ (The Quran) by God. However, these ‘’Geniuses’’ while utilizing their pea sized brains narrowed the meaning down to demons and Satan, while leaving out God's protection against corrupt human beings or textual alteration that might be due to human error. The extent of shallow mindedness these two "'Intellectuals'' displayed in this session is extremely embarrassing. ‘’We have, without doubt, sent down the Message; and We will assuredly guard it.’’ (Quran 15:9) 2- Apart from chapter 15 verse 9 in which God explicitly promises The Quran’s protection. God also assures the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) that He (GOD) is responsible for the collection, recitation and articulation of the Quran in chapter 75. ''It is for Us to collect it and to promulgate it. Therefore, when We have recited it, follow its recitation. Then, it is for Us to formulate its articulation." (Quran 75: 17-19) 3- Hekmat Nasir very conveniently said, who knows weather ‘’Zikr’’ in chapter 15 verse 9 does in fact refer to The Quran or not. This despicable person didn''t had the wits to mention that The Quran has been linked with ‘’Zikr’’ in numerous places including: 20:3, 38:1, 38:49, 65:10, 68:52 74:54, 76:29, 80:11, 81:27. This again highlights Hekmat Nasir's bias and sheer academic dishonesty. 4- The Quran is NOT a point of dissension or split between the Muslim Community. Every sect in Islam be it Sunni, Shia, Barelvi, Deobandi etc or even the Ahmadiyya, they all recite the Uthmanic Quran, the majority (more than 90%) reciting the mutawatir (mass transmitted) Qira’at of Hafs an Asim while others recite mass transmitted Qira'at of Warsh an Naafi or one of the 10 other mutawatir Qira'at. There Is Only difference when it comes to the interpretation of some verses. 5- Unlike The New Testament, which has no attested manuscripts from the 1st century CE and has variants that have deep and profound theological implications on Christianity, the whole Quran is attested in WRITING (manuscripts) from the 7th century CE, backed by mutawatir (mass transmitted) oral tradition that goes back to Prophet Muhammad SW. Some of the manuscripts can viewed on the following site: www.islamic-awareness.org/quran/text/mss/ 6- Regarding The tradition which came up in this session: Narrated by Anas bin Malik: ‘’Hudhaifa bin Al-Yaman came to `Uthman at the time when the people of Sham and the people of Iraq were Waging war to conquer Arminya and Adharbijan. Hudhaifa was afraid of their (the people of Sham and Iraq) differences in the recitation of the Qur'an, so he said to `Uthman, "O chief of the Believers! Save this nation before they differ about the Book (Qur'an) as Jews and the Christians did before." So `Uthman sent a message to Hafsa saying, "Send us the manuscripts of the Qur'an so that we may compile the Qur'anic materials in perfect copies and return the manuscripts to you." Hafsa sent it to `Uthman. `Uthman then ordered Zaid bin Thabit, `Abdullah bin AzZubair, Sa`id bin Al-As and `AbdurRahman bin Harith bin Hisham to rewrite the manuscripts in perfect copies. `Uthman said to the three Quraishi men, "In case you disagree with Zaid bin Thabit on any point in the Qur'an, then write it in the dialect of Quraish, the Qur'an was revealed in their tongue." They did so, and when they had written many copies, `Uthman returned the original manuscripts to Hafsa. `Uthman sent to every Muslim province one copy of what they had copied, and ordered that all the other Qur'anic materials, whether written in fragmentary manuscripts or whole copies, be burnt.’’ This aforementioned tradition is questioned for its credibility and integrity by some pseudo-intellectuals since they claim that all the traditions that concern with the standardization of the Holy Quran by the Caliph Uthman have Ibn Shihab al-Zuhri in the chain of transmission, hence they say that the Muslim narrative is highly questionable since it revolves around a single person, Ibn Shihab al-Zuhri . This is again an invalid and preposterous claim. There are countless authentic traditions with strong isnad (chain of transmission) without Ibn Shihab al-Zuhri that substantiate and cements the Muslim narrative regarding Uthman’s standardization of The Quran. For example, the following tradition talks about an abrogated verse that Uthman included while standardizing the Quranic text, narrated in Sahih Al Bukhari (Ibn Shihab is not in the chain) Narrated Ibn Az-Zubair: ''I said to `Uthman, "This Verse which is in Surat-al-Baqara: "Those of you who die and leave widows behind...without turning them out." has been abrogated by another Verse. Why then do you write it (in the Qur'an)?" `Uthman said. "Leave it (where it is), O the son of my brother, for I will not shift anything of it (i.e. the Qur'an) from its original position." (Reference: Sahih Al-Bukhari) Apart from these traditions, it has been established based of evidence that Standardized Quranic codices were infact sent to major cities during the caliphate of Uthman. Anyone interested can see the works of Dr. Hythem Sidky. 7- Then Shady Nasir asserted that the committee formulated by Caliph Uthman consisted of companions who were extremely young when the Prophet was alive and hence Uthman’s motives and wisdom with regards to the formulation of the committee is questionable. Hekmat Nasir yet again deliberately didn’t mention that Zaid bin Thabit, who was given the task to head the committee by Uthman, was a scribe appointed by Prophet Muhammad SW, and was responsible for recording revelations during Prophet Muhammad’s (peace be upon him) lifetime. Not only did Zaid record revelations for the Prophet but the Prophet had also instructed him to learn Hebrew and other languages as Zaid bin Thabit was a highly intelligent man and was gifted by ALLAH with great intellect and memory. Shady Hekmat Nasir needs to mend his ways, else he will be remembered as nothing more than an ignorant fool who used to propagate nothing but nonsense.

@gibranmahmud5559

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@@janddbackup Bart Ehrman proved most of the Bible is forgeries, plagiarism and fabrications. Critical scholarship decimated the Bible.

@gibranmahmud5559

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@@inquisitivemind007 I'm a Muslim and agree with Marijn and Hythem(yes, really). Their view matches a number of fairly ancient scholars though its a super minority view in the Ummah atm. So die in your rage :)

*Variant Vs Reading* The word Variant in English does not imply that there was a correct original. It only has to vary from some other version. The word Reading sounds to me like it would contain interpretation by the reader. So “Variant” is better.

Does anyone know good sources for researches Sirat Rasul Allah? Commentaries on it? Muslim opinion of it? Commentary on the theology contained within it etc.

@christiangadfly24

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@Farhan Imroze Thank you! That is a great resource! I've been listening to that while I work out. It's useful for seeing modern Muslim opinions of the Sirat as a whole (using hadith, quran, and Ibn Ishaq). I'm wondering if there are scholars of specifically Sirat Rasul Allah in the same way Christians have scholars who focus on just the Gospel of John or just the Pauline epistles etc.

@christiangadfly24

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@Farhan Imroze It's the earliest most complete biography. It predates Sahih Bukhari by around 50 years. It has a narrative structure that gives context for Qu'ran verses and hadith. If you want to interpret other sources within the context of a story you have to use Ishaq. It's the origin story of the Ummah. So, in my gut I know there is probably a whole school of scholars dedicated to just this source doing form criticism, literary criticism etc. I just need to find it to scratch the itch.

@christiangadfly24

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@Farhan Imroze I figured. There is some good English translation material treating sirat as a whole that I've collected, but not a lot of Sirat Rasul Allah specifically. al Waqidi's Kitab al-Maghazi wasn't even translated in English until 2013. That blows my mind. Guess I'll have to learn Arabic.

@christiangadfly24

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@Farhan Imroze That's good to know. If there's good literature in Spanish I can speak that as well. You've been a great help.

@jamieammar6131

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@@christiangadfly24 It's Ibn Hisham. Ibn Ishaq's sirat is lost in time.

Which Shia tradition is Dr. Nasser referring to in minute 5?

What and where is Unthmanic codex, how many folios...?

@taptronics

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Cairo edition of Quran came from Uthmanic codex, so most modern Quran copies today came from Uthmanic mushaf either Hijazi or Kufic style writings . Many old Uthmanic folios have kept in Pettersburg, Russia, Samarkand,Uzbekistan and Topkapi palace, Istanbul,Turkey. They also have discovered of some old folios which is oldest one known by carbon dating approximately few years after Prophet passed away and has been stored in University of Birmingham, UK. the "supposed" variant codex such as Ibn Mashud codex has not been found until today that medieval Muslim scholars talked about.

This is the scholar whose books on which l am waiting

Thank you, Gabriel. You asked very pointed questions and Shady answered them concisely and understandably for the layperson. I just found this channel and I feel like a kid in a candy shop, not knowing which interview to taste next!

Thank you Gabriel - super channel and great discussions. We appreciate you so keep it up. This is a very controversial topic - most traditional Muslims will be inflamed on the mere hint that Quran has variants. However this is established beyond doubt now. Marjion Van putan argues that the variants don’t make much difference to the actual meaning of the message of Quran. What are your views? We definitely needed at least 2 hours with Dr Naseer - may be invite him back ?

@ExploringtheQuranandtheBible

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Thanks! There's an important difference between "canonical" variants - those based on the Uthmanic text type - and the reports of variant text types (or masahif) of other companions. The latter reports do show significant differences of meaning. They are not found in the manuscript record (which the tradition would explain with reference to Uthman's codification project). The one exception is the Sana'a palimpsest, which is indeed a different text type and has more significant variants. I do have a video here too with Dr. Van Putten that is quite interesting!

@sam2168

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​@@ExploringtheQuranandtheBible thanks for your understanding very helpful, can you please provide with some examples of the different text meanings. Thanks

@ME-yp7fn

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I recommend to watch Blogging Theology by Paul Williams because it hosts real and legitimate Muslim scholars, you will like it too.

I am waiting on his book

just subscribed

Nasser after all his work confirmed that due to all the effort in the past, the quran today is more or less the same as it was during the time of the prophet, and is a stable canon. Phenomenal !

@lyglo_apologetics

9 ай бұрын

"the same as it was during the time of the prophet" where we can read this quran? (complete 114 surahs from 7h century)

@user-gh6hc9ch4z

2 ай бұрын

It is not, if they say it is, Hafs which is the standard chosen quran, did not know the prophet and Uthman. His quran is different from all the 30 or 700 . Shady Nasser confirmed that there are 700 different readings.

@user-gh6hc9ch4z

2 ай бұрын

Also Hafs was not on the chart of all the 30. So why was he chosen?

@Kassalawy56789

4 күн бұрын

​@@user-gh6hc9ch4z thanks God for Islam ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

I can not to wait on his book

Skipping this one. Usually I look forward to hearing different perspectives but Shady is a known charlatan.

@inquisitivemind007

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And I suppose so is Marijn van Putten and Hythem Sidky too are they as they endorse his work?

@theastronomer5800

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Right, the top-notch universities that the studied at and works at hire many charlatans.

@dom3073

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@@theastronomer5800 watch this if you think hes not a charlatan: kzread.info/dash/bejne/hYaqxZiScbXggrw.html

@farhanwyne6040

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1- Shady Hekmat Nasir and Gabriel Reynolds had the sheer audacity to interpret Quranic verse 15:9 as they deemed fit. The Quranic verse 15:9 explicitly guarantees the protection of the ‘’Message’’ (The Quran) by God. However, these ‘’Geniuses’’ while utilizing their pea sized brains narrowed the meaning down to demons and Satan, while leaving out God's protection against corrupt human beings or textual alteration that might be due to human error. The extent of shallow mindedness these two "'Intellectuals'' displayed in this session is extremely embarrassing. ‘’We have, without doubt, sent down the Message; and We will assuredly guard it.’’ (Quran 15:9) 2- Apart from chapter 15 verse 9 in which God explicitly promises The Quran’s protection. God also assures the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) that He (GOD) is responsible for the collection, recitation and articulation of the Quran in chapter 75. ''It is for Us to collect it and to promulgate it. Therefore, when We have recited it, follow its recitation. Then, it is for Us to formulate its articulation." (Quran 75: 17-19) 3- Hekmat Nasir very conveniently said, who knows weather ‘’Zikr’’ in chapter 15 verse 9 does in fact refer to The Quran or not. This despicable person didn''t had the wits to mention that The Quran has been linked with ‘’Zikr’’ in numerous places including: 20:3, 38:1, 38:49, 65:10, 68:52 74:54, 76:29, 80:11, 81:27. This again highlights Hekmat Nasir's bias and sheer academic dishonesty. 4- The Quran is NOT a point of dissension or split between the Muslim Community. Every sect in Islam be it Sunni, Shia, Barelvi, Deobandi etc or even the Ahmadiyya, they all recite the Uthmanic Quran, the majority (more than 90%) reciting the mutawatir (mass transmitted) Qira’at of Hafs an Asim while others recite mass transmitted Qira'at of Warsh an Naafi or one of the 10 other mutawatir Qira'at. There Is Only difference when it comes to the interpretation of some verses. 5- Unlike The New Testament, which has no attested manuscripts from the 1st century CE and has variants that have deep and profound theological implications on Christianity, the whole Quran is attested in WRITING (manuscripts) from the 7th century CE, backed by mutawatir (mass transmitted) oral tradition that goes back to Prophet Muhammad SW. Some of the manuscripts can viewed on the following site: www.islamic-awareness.org/quran/text/mss/ 6- Regarding The tradition which came up in this session: Narrated by Anas bin Malik: ‘’Hudhaifa bin Al-Yaman came to `Uthman at the time when the people of Sham and the people of Iraq were Waging war to conquer Arminya and Adharbijan. Hudhaifa was afraid of their (the people of Sham and Iraq) differences in the recitation of the Qur'an, so he said to `Uthman, "O chief of the Believers! Save this nation before they differ about the Book (Qur'an) as Jews and the Christians did before." So `Uthman sent a message to Hafsa saying, "Send us the manuscripts of the Qur'an so that we may compile the Qur'anic materials in perfect copies and return the manuscripts to you." Hafsa sent it to `Uthman. `Uthman then ordered Zaid bin Thabit, `Abdullah bin AzZubair, Sa`id bin Al-As and `AbdurRahman bin Harith bin Hisham to rewrite the manuscripts in perfect copies. `Uthman said to the three Quraishi men, "In case you disagree with Zaid bin Thabit on any point in the Qur'an, then write it in the dialect of Quraish, the Qur'an was revealed in their tongue." They did so, and when they had written many copies, `Uthman returned the original manuscripts to Hafsa. `Uthman sent to every Muslim province one copy of what they had copied, and ordered that all the other Qur'anic materials, whether written in fragmentary manuscripts or whole copies, be burnt.’’ This aforementioned tradition is questioned for its credibility and integrity by some pseudo-intellectuals since they claim that all the traditions that concern with the standardization of the Holy Quran by the Caliph Uthman have Ibn Shihab al-Zuhri in the chain of transmission, hence they say that the Muslim narrative is highly questionable since it revolves around a single person, Ibn Shihab al-Zuhri . This is again an invalid and preposterous claim. There are countless authentic traditions with strong isnad (chain of transmission) without Ibn Shihab al-Zuhri that substantiate and cements the Muslim narrative regarding Uthman’s standardization of The Quran. For example, the following tradition talks about an abrogated verse that Uthman included while standardizing the Quranic text, narrated in Sahih Al Bukhari (Ibn Shihab is not in the chain) Narrated Ibn Az-Zubair: ''I said to `Uthman, "This Verse which is in Surat-al-Baqara: "Those of you who die and leave widows behind...without turning them out." has been abrogated by another Verse. Why then do you write it (in the Qur'an)?" `Uthman said. "Leave it (where it is), O the son of my brother, for I will not shift anything of it (i.e. the Qur'an) from its original position." (Reference: Sahih Al-Bukhari) Apart from these traditions, it has been established based of evidence that Standardized Quranic codices were infact sent to major cities during the caliphate of Uthman. Anyone interested can see the works of Dr. Hythem Sidky. 7- Then Shady Nasir asserted that the committee formulated by Caliph Uthman consisted of companions who were extremely young when the Prophet was alive and hence Uthman’s motives and wisdom with regards to the formulation of the committee is questionable. Hekmat Nasir yet again deliberately didn’t mention that Zaid bin Thabit, who was given the task to head the committee by Uthman, was a scribe appointed by Prophet Muhammad SW, and was responsible for recording revelations during Prophet Muhammad’s (peace be upon him) lifetime. Not only did Zaid record revelations for the Prophet but the Prophet had also instructed him to learn Hebrew and other languages as Zaid bin Thabit was a highly intelligent man and was gifted by ALLAH with great intellect and memory. Shady Hekmat Nasir needs to mend his ways, else he will be remembered as nothing more than an ignorant fool who used to propagate nothing but nonsense.

@gibranmahmud5559

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@@inquisitivemind007 i dont respect shady but hes not really needed. if there are insights theyre found with marijn and hythem

As a Muslim, I found this conversation really interesting. I don't see why people are getting sensitive and suggests to me (as do "triumphant anti Muslims") that they don't understand how academic scholarship works. Thanks for making this available Gabriel. I hope everyone keeps thinking.

@farhanwyne6040

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1- Shady Hekmat Nasir and Gabriel Reynolds had the sheer audacity to interpret Quranic verse 15:9 as they deemed fit. The Quranic verse 15:9 explicitly guarantees the protection of the ‘’Message’’ (The Quran) by God. However, these ‘’Geniuses’’ while utilizing their pea sized brains narrowed the meaning down to demons and Satan, while leaving out God's protection against corrupt human beings or textual alteration that might be due to human error. The extent of shallow mindedness these two "'Intellectuals'' displayed in this session is extremely embarrassing. ‘’We have, without doubt, sent down the Message; and We will assuredly guard it.’’ (Quran 15:9) 2- Apart from chapter 15 verse 9 in which God explicitly promises The Quran’s protection. God also assures the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) that He (GOD) is responsible for the collection, recitation and articulation of the Quran in chapter 75. ''It is for Us to collect it and to promulgate it. Therefore, when We have recited it, follow its recitation. Then, it is for Us to formulate its articulation." (Quran 75: 17-19) 3- Hekmat Nasir very conveniently said, who knows weather ‘’Zikr’’ in chapter 15 verse 9 does in fact refer to The Quran or not. This despicable person didn''t had the wits to mention that The Quran has been linked with ‘’Zikr’’ in numerous places including: 20:3, 38:1, 38:49, 65:10, 68:52 74:54, 76:29, 80:11, 81:27. This again highlights Hekmat Nasir's bias and sheer academic dishonesty. 4- The Quran is NOT a point of dissension or split between the Muslim Community. Every sect in Islam be it Sunni, Shia, Barelvi, Deobandi etc or even the Ahmadiyya, they all recite the Uthmanic Quran, the majority (more than 90%) reciting the mutawatir (mass transmitted) Qira’at of Hafs an Asim while others recite mass transmitted Qira'at of Warsh an Naafi or one of the 10 other mutawatir Qira'at. There Is Only difference when it comes to the interpretation of some verses. 5- Unlike The New Testament, which has no attested manuscripts from the 1st century CE and has variants that have deep and profound theological implications on Christianity, the whole Quran is attested in WRITING (manuscripts) from the 7th century CE, backed by mutawatir (mass transmitted) oral tradition that goes back to Prophet Muhammad SW. Some of the manuscripts can viewed on the following site: www.islamic-awareness.org/quran/text/mss/ 6- Regarding The tradition which came up in this session: Narrated by Anas bin Malik: ‘’Hudhaifa bin Al-Yaman came to `Uthman at the time when the people of Sham and the people of Iraq were Waging war to conquer Arminya and Adharbijan. Hudhaifa was afraid of their (the people of Sham and Iraq) differences in the recitation of the Qur'an, so he said to `Uthman, "O chief of the Believers! Save this nation before they differ about the Book (Qur'an) as Jews and the Christians did before." So `Uthman sent a message to Hafsa saying, "Send us the manuscripts of the Qur'an so that we may compile the Qur'anic materials in perfect copies and return the manuscripts to you." Hafsa sent it to `Uthman. `Uthman then ordered Zaid bin Thabit, `Abdullah bin AzZubair, Sa`id bin Al-As and `AbdurRahman bin Harith bin Hisham to rewrite the manuscripts in perfect copies. `Uthman said to the three Quraishi men, "In case you disagree with Zaid bin Thabit on any point in the Qur'an, then write it in the dialect of Quraish, the Qur'an was revealed in their tongue." They did so, and when they had written many copies, `Uthman returned the original manuscripts to Hafsa. `Uthman sent to every Muslim province one copy of what they had copied, and ordered that all the other Qur'anic materials, whether written in fragmentary manuscripts or whole copies, be burnt.’’ This aforementioned tradition is questioned for its credibility and integrity by some pseudo-intellectuals since they claim that all the traditions that concern with the standardization of the Holy Quran by the Caliph Uthman have Ibn Shihab al-Zuhri in the chain of transmission, hence they say that the Muslim narrative is highly questionable since it revolves around a single person, Ibn Shihab al-Zuhri . This is again an invalid and preposterous claim. There are countless authentic traditions with strong isnad (chain of transmission) without Ibn Shihab al-Zuhri that substantiate and cements the Muslim narrative regarding Uthman’s standardization of The Quran. For example, the following tradition talks about an abrogated verse that Uthman included while standardizing the Quranic text, narrated in Sahih Al Bukhari (Ibn Shihab is not in the chain) Narrated Ibn Az-Zubair: ''I said to `Uthman, "This Verse which is in Surat-al-Baqara: "Those of you who die and leave widows behind...without turning them out." has been abrogated by another Verse. Why then do you write it (in the Qur'an)?" `Uthman said. "Leave it (where it is), O the son of my brother, for I will not shift anything of it (i.e. the Qur'an) from its original position." (Reference: Sahih Al-Bukhari) Apart from these traditions, it has been established based of evidence that Standardized Quranic codices were infact sent to major cities during the caliphate of Uthman. Anyone interested can see the works of Dr. Hythem Sidky. 7- Then Shady Nasir asserted that the committee formulated by Caliph Uthman consisted of companions who were extremely young when the Prophet was alive and hence Uthman’s motives and wisdom with regards to the formulation of the committee is questionable. Hekmat Nasir yet again deliberately didn’t mention that Zaid bin Thabit, who was given the task to head the committee by Uthman, was a scribe appointed by Prophet Muhammad SW, and was responsible for recording revelations during Prophet Muhammad’s (peace be upon him) lifetime. Not only did Zaid record revelations for the Prophet but the Prophet had also instructed him to learn Hebrew and other languages as Zaid bin Thabit was a highly intelligent man and was gifted by ALLAH with great intellect and memory. Shady Hekmat Nasir needs to mend his ways, else he will be remembered as nothing more than an ignorant fool who used to propagate nothing but nonsense.

@stevenv6463

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@@farhanwyne6040 Bro stop spamming

@asherlim6608

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@@farhanwyne6040 stop spamming you like a Allah clown 😜🤪

@Needlestolearn

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@@stevenv6463 he’s just providing a different perspective, you either falsify it or ignore it. He can comment as much as he wants

@Kuuzie1

10 ай бұрын

​@farhanwyne6040 can you please mention the NT manuscripts that have pround implications on Christian theology or that have affected any doctrine? As far as I know no manuscripts variant pose problem to any major Christian doctrine. Many manuscripts variants are due to silly mistakes, carelessness of scripts. Well, still study Quran transmission history well.

We need more research and open research without bias and not just by muslims but by non Muslims also .. knowledge is always power and opens the gates of understanding and acceptance

@user-gh6hc9ch4z

2 ай бұрын

Must go to pfander films Dr Jay Smith and Cirra International of Al Fadi. They did the whole history of the MAN the BOOK and the PLACE in Islam. It was from 1995 till 2020. Now they are just adding what their team comes up with regularly.

Shady Nasser is truly an awesome scholar !!

@inquisitivemind007

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Add to that Marijn van Putten and Hythem Sidky - the "terrific trio" I call them three. All Muslim Apologists are terrified of them.

@ConsideringPhlebas

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@@inquisitivemind007 Why would Muslim apologists be scared of them? Their criticism is pretty mild.

@inquisitivemind007

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@@ConsideringPhlebas because their work leads the path to people "leaving Islam ☪️ "

@theastronomer5800

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@@ConsideringPhlebas Apologists don't want people to look into textual and source criticism and start noticing issues which contradict the traditional narrative. This is over the head for most Muslims also as they are not used to this kind of analysis as Muslim scholars do very little of it.

@farhanwyne6040

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1- Shady Hekmat Nasir and Gabriel Reynolds had the sheer audacity to interpret Quranic verse 15:9 as they deemed fit. The Quranic verse 15:9 explicitly guarantees the protection of the ‘’Message’’ (The Quran) by God. However, these ‘’Geniuses’’ while utilizing their pea sized brains narrowed the meaning down to demons and Satan, while leaving out God's protection against corrupt human beings or textual alteration that might be due to human error. The extent of shallow mindedness these two "'Intellectuals'' displayed in this session is extremely embarrassing. ‘’We have, without doubt, sent down the Message; and We will assuredly guard it.’’ (Quran 15:9) 2- Apart from chapter 15 verse 9 in which God explicitly promises The Quran’s protection. God also assures the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) that He (GOD) is responsible for the collection, recitation and articulation of the Quran in chapter 75. ''It is for Us to collect it and to promulgate it. Therefore, when We have recited it, follow its recitation. Then, it is for Us to formulate its articulation." (Quran 75: 17-19) 3- Hekmat Nasir very conveniently said, who knows weather ‘’Zikr’’ in chapter 15 verse 9 does in fact refer to The Quran or not. This despicable person didn''t had the wits to mention that The Quran has been linked with ‘’Zikr’’ in numerous places including: 20:3, 38:1, 38:49, 65:10, 68:52 74:54, 76:29, 80:11, 81:27. This again highlights Hekmat Nasir's bias and sheer academic dishonesty. 4- The Quran is NOT a point of dissension or split between the Muslim Community. Every sect in Islam be it Sunni, Shia, Barelvi, Deobandi etc or even the Ahmadiyya, they all recite the Uthmanic Quran, the majority (more than 90%) reciting the mutawatir (mass transmitted) Qira’at of Hafs an Asim while others recite mass transmitted Qira'at of Warsh an Naafi or one of the 10 other mutawatir Qira'at. There Is Only difference when it comes to the interpretation of some verses. 5- Unlike The New Testament, which has no attested manuscripts from the 1st century CE and has variants that have deep and profound theological implications on Christianity, the whole Quran is attested in WRITING (manuscripts) from the 7th century CE, backed by mutawatir (mass transmitted) oral tradition that goes back to Prophet Muhammad SW. Some of the manuscripts can viewed on the following site: www.islamic-awareness.org/quran/text/mss/ 6- Regarding The tradition which came up in this session: Narrated by Anas bin Malik: ‘’Hudhaifa bin Al-Yaman came to `Uthman at the time when the people of Sham and the people of Iraq were Waging war to conquer Arminya and Adharbijan. Hudhaifa was afraid of their (the people of Sham and Iraq) differences in the recitation of the Qur'an, so he said to `Uthman, "O chief of the Believers! Save this nation before they differ about the Book (Qur'an) as Jews and the Christians did before." So `Uthman sent a message to Hafsa saying, "Send us the manuscripts of the Qur'an so that we may compile the Qur'anic materials in perfect copies and return the manuscripts to you." Hafsa sent it to `Uthman. `Uthman then ordered Zaid bin Thabit, `Abdullah bin AzZubair, Sa`id bin Al-As and `AbdurRahman bin Harith bin Hisham to rewrite the manuscripts in perfect copies. `Uthman said to the three Quraishi men, "In case you disagree with Zaid bin Thabit on any point in the Qur'an, then write it in the dialect of Quraish, the Qur'an was revealed in their tongue." They did so, and when they had written many copies, `Uthman returned the original manuscripts to Hafsa. `Uthman sent to every Muslim province one copy of what they had copied, and ordered that all the other Qur'anic materials, whether written in fragmentary manuscripts or whole copies, be burnt.’’ This aforementioned tradition is questioned for its credibility and integrity by some pseudo-intellectuals since they claim that all the traditions that concern with the standardization of the Holy Quran by the Caliph Uthman have Ibn Shihab al-Zuhri in the chain of transmission, hence they say that the Muslim narrative is highly questionable since it revolves around a single person, Ibn Shihab al-Zuhri . This is again an invalid and preposterous claim. There are countless authentic traditions with strong isnad (chain of transmission) without Ibn Shihab al-Zuhri that substantiate and cements the Muslim narrative regarding Uthman’s standardization of The Quran. For example, the following tradition talks about an abrogated verse that Uthman included while standardizing the Quranic text, narrated in Sahih Al Bukhari (Ibn Shihab is not in the chain) Narrated Ibn Az-Zubair: ''I said to `Uthman, "This Verse which is in Surat-al-Baqara: "Those of you who die and leave widows behind...without turning them out." has been abrogated by another Verse. Why then do you write it (in the Qur'an)?" `Uthman said. "Leave it (where it is), O the son of my brother, for I will not shift anything of it (i.e. the Qur'an) from its original position." (Reference: Sahih Al-Bukhari) Apart from these traditions, it has been established based of evidence that Standardized Quranic codices were infact sent to major cities during the caliphate of Uthman. Anyone interested can see the works of Dr. Hythem Sidky. 7- Then Shady Nasir asserted that the committee formulated by Caliph Uthman consisted of companions who were extremely young when the Prophet was alive and hence Uthman’s motives and wisdom with regards to the formulation of the committee is questionable. Hekmat Nasir yet again deliberately didn’t mention that Zaid bin Thabit, who was given the task to head the committee by Uthman, was a scribe appointed by Prophet Muhammad SW, and was responsible for recording revelations during Prophet Muhammad’s (peace be upon him) lifetime. Not only did Zaid record revelations for the Prophet but the Prophet had also instructed him to learn Hebrew and other languages as Zaid bin Thabit was a highly intelligent man and was gifted by ALLAH with great intellect and memory. Shady Hekmat Nasir needs to mend his ways, else he will be remembered as nothing more than an ignorant fool who used to propagate nothing but nonsense.

This man is not speaking like scholar he sounds like an Imam.

I find fantastick to have such a science created from first fragment apears in 11th century CE, and full codex attributed to this supposed Bukhary in 9th century, about a supposed story of the 7th century. Rasul Allah, full codex is dated 12th century in Spain. Please explain to me that this whole narative of Islam is not the biggest scam ever?

Dear Professor Gabriel Said Reynolds, I have seen number of your videos and your exploration of the question, is Quran authentic and is Quran goes back to Prophet(SAW) and in the end i see many of the scholars do agree that all the codices which have been found so far are not much different but the many narrations and sayings tell us that Prophet (SAW) companions had different codices. My question is pretty simple and i don't know if you have done any research on this aspect, that there are codices which differ from the existing Quranic text and there are sayings which tell us that Prophet(SAW) companion used to recite some verses differently or Surah 33 used to be longer than Surah 2, so is there any codex which validate those sayings and have text according to any of the narrations of the different recitation? like may be there is a codex which has Surah 33 having 300+ verses? I hope the question is clear and i hope you will read this comment and will provide some answer and guidance. Thank You.

دكتور شادي انصحك بان تقراء القران مره ثانيه وتصحح ماقلته عن لسانك في فلم موسى حيث ذكرت اشياء لم يتم ذكرها في القران الكريم

This Uthman business is secondary source only, as is all of the versions/readings being discussed (typically crystallising in the 9th century) so lots of assumptions here - as a layman viewing the experts. Interesting though given Koran supposed to be preserved and there is no preserved version at all....! Surely a major driver of which Koran versions are accepted as cannon at a given time is a mainly a matter of politics - the with the initial series of rulers, the Abyssids etc, and even the Turks, Egyptian colonial, and Saudi regimes making court decisions and even falsifying or destroying evidence along the way... with 5K differences between the 2 most common remaining ones and some of those even doctrinal or where both clearly less internally consistent than another version. Seems like an existential matter.

Sana Quran A. The earliest known Quranic style manuscript is the Sana’a Quran (Palimpsest) in Yemen, and is incomplete, the lower text has only 18 suras, whilst the upper text has only 38 suras (there should be 114 suras). The Lower text has 63 verses with 70 variants, and of course the upper verses have many variants to the Cairo/Hafs Quran as well. B. It jumps from Sura 19 to Sura 22 (assumed date is 705), you then find sura 20 on the left-hand page and that is a later script added 60-70 years later. C. Dr. Gerd Puin on the Sana i. The original texts had been washed off and written over with new texts. Puin believes that the lower (washed off) older text is evidence of a non-canonical Quran. ii. “Oldest parchments and papers of any Quranic Mushaf” iii. “Yet more than half of the text is ambiguous letters which need diacritical marks for understanding. Adding vowels help correct mistakes. Changes in orthography are found in geographical tradition schools”. As a consequence, individual words can have up to 30 different meanings, and that it was not handed down word for word. iv. The difference between the Sana Quran and the Cairo (Hafs) Quran is startling. On the Quran Puin had this to say in an article in 1999 Atlantic Monthly; “My idea is that the Koran is a kind of cocktail of texts that were not all understood even at the time of Muhammad. Many of them may even be a hundred years older than Islam itself. Even within the Islamic traditions there is a huge body of contradictory information, including a significant Christian substrate; one can derive a whole Islamic anti-history from them if one wants. The Koran claims for itself that it is 'mubeen,' or 'clear,' but if you look at it, you will notice that every fifth sentence or so simply doesn't make sense. Many Muslims-and Orientalists-will tell you otherwise, of course, but the fact is that a fifth of the Koranic text is just incomprehensible. This is what has caused the traditional anxiety regarding translation. If the Koran is not comprehensible-if it can't even be understood in Arabic-then it's not translatable. People fear that. And since the Koran claims repeatedly to be clear but obviously is not-as even speakers of Arabic will tell you-there is a contradiction. Something else must be going on.” D. Dr. Elizabeth Puin believes (wife of Gerd); i. That both the lower and upper texts were corrected significantly to make them more canonical ii. That the lower text is not Uthmanic and has even more variances to the Cairo/Hafs Quran than the upper text, and is a non-conical Quran. iii. Both layers do not correspond with the Quran (Cairo/Hafs) of today iv. That it is the start of standardizing the Quran

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the christian bible has been debunked as a hot pile of forgeries, misquoting the hebrew bible, fabrications, internal massive contradictions and outright plagiarism.

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@@gibranmahmud5559 😂BTW if Bible is corrupt so id the Quran😂

@gibranmahmud5559

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@@simonhengle8316 nah the Quran confirms the bible is corrupt 3:78.

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@@simonhengle8316 there are different Bibles in the world Catholic bible 73 protestant bible 66 etc totally unreliable

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@@fs.s8929 You do know that the various Qurans confirm bible? Also the the various Qurans contradict each other whereas the various Bibles don't On top of that there are no Qurans from the time of the Fictional Mohammad of Islam Professor Fred Donner points out (he is one of many); that we have no documents whatsoever from Mohammed, or from any of his other companions, and that Muslim accounts are written much later, a couple of hundred years later and don’t match up historically

It has long been known within the Muslim world, since classical times, that there were variant readings of Quran at the time of the Prophet and he himself promoted the idea that at least some variants were fine, the FIRST THREE compilers of the Quran were: 1) Ali ibn Abi Talib, 2) Abdullah ibn Mas'uud, 3) Ubayy ibn K'ab *Shady is totally wrong in saying that only in the Shia tradition is there mention of an original Quran or urtext* . The following are examples of TWO SUNNI scholars talking about hoe a section of verse 67, Surah al-Maa'idah, was DELETED by Uthman's ad hoc Quran committee* . The history of the collection and compilation of the Quran has been dealt with in classical Islamic literature and some quite important works were produced discussing this. Sulaiman ibn Abi Daw'uud as-Sijistani (the son of Abu Daw'ood of "Sunan Abi-Da'wuud" fame, one of this six canonical Sunni hadiith collections) wrote a book called "Kitab-ul-Masahif" where he discusses variant readings and compilations, the earliest and later. The earliest Quran compilations were by Ali ibn Abi Talib (عَلِيّ ٱبْن أَبِي طَالِب, d. 661 CE), the Prophet's cousin and later son-in-law; Ubayy ibn Ka'ab (أبي بن كعب, died 649 CE), a close companion and Abdullāh ibn Masʿūd (عبدالله بن مسعود; d.653 CE) another close companion. All these predated the so-called "edited" Uthman version that many keep mentioning. Although these three earliest compilation were lost in the Middle ages, we do know what they contained. The 10th century bookseller and bibliographer Abū al-Faraj Muḥammad ibn Ishāq al-Nadīm al-Baghdadi (ابو الفرج محمد بن إسحاق النديم) in his still extant work called "al-Fihrist" (الفهرست) describes them in varying detail; the one by Ibn mas'uud in a lot of detail. The other, by A;i Ibn Abi Talib, in some detail. He mentions that Quran compiled by Ali ibn Abi Talib was in a chronological order and therefore had Surah al-'Alaq (العلق),as its FIRST surah, which is 96 in the Quran we have now. He also mentions many other details since he saw some pages from this when visiting his friend in Kufah who possessed this copy (or a partial copy) even as late as the 10th century as it was used by circles in Kufah, Basrah, Madina and Mecca by the followers of the Ahlul Bayt ( أَهْل ٱلْبَيْت, meaning the Prophet's immediate blood relations) . Ibn Nadeem gives a much more detailed account of the Quran compilation of Abdullah ibn Mas'uud. This is the Quran compilation (i.e. by Ibn Mas'uud) was still being used as a very common text in some regions, specially the city of Kufah, NOT the Uthmanic 'muthHaf'! The Quran compilation of Abdullah ibn Mas'uud was also discussed by Jalaaluddeen as-Suyuuti (Abd-ur-Rahman Jalaal-ud-Diin al-Khudhayrii as-Suyuutii جلال الدين عبد الرحمن الخضيري السيوطي ; d.1505 CE); ) in his famous Quranic exegesis (tafseer تفسير) called "Al-Durr Al-Manthuur Fi Tafsiir Bil-Ma'thuur" (الدر المنثور في التفسير بالماثور) and by Muhammad ash-Shawkani (محمد الشوكاني, d.1839) in his exegesis called "Fathul-Qadir" (فتح القدير ). Both mention variant readings of some verses. Jalaaluddin al-Suyuuti (a well-known SUNNI Shaafi'i scholar, died 1505 CE) refers to the original codex of Abdullah ibn Mas'uud where Ali's name was mentioned in certain verses. Read the tafaaseer of al-Suyuuti (Sunni tafseer) called "al-Durr-ul-Manthuur" and that of al-Shaukaani (also Sunni), and you find this: اخرج ابن ابي حاتم, وابن مردوية, وابن عساكر, عن ابن ابي سعيد الخدري قال : نزلت هذه الاية : (يا ايها .... ما انزل اليك ) على رسول الله (ص) يوم غدير خم, في علي بن ابي طالب رضي الله عنه. واخرج ابن مردوية, عن ابن مسعود قال: كنا نقرا على عهد رسول الله (ص): يا ايها الرسول بلغ ما انزل اليك من ربك ان عليا مولى المؤمنين وان لم تفعل فما بلغت رسالته والله يعصمك من النلس ) تفسير القدير للشوكاني ص: ٣٨٤ Ibn Abi Haatim took from Ibn Mardawaiyah. from Ibn 'Asaakir, from Ibn Abi Sa'eed al-Khudri, who said: This verse was revealed on the Prophet (s) on the Day of Ghadeer Khumm about Ali Ibn Abi Taalib,radhiallah 'anho, and Ibn Mardawiyah took from Adullah Ibn Mas'uud, who said: We used to read (this) in the time of the Prophet as: يا ايها الرسول بلغ ما انزل اليك من ربك ان عليا مولى المؤمنين وان لم تفعل فما بلغت رسالته والله يعصمك من النلس Surah al-Maa'idah, 67, Tafseer al-Qadiir by Shuakaani pg. 384. Jalaaluddin al-Suyuuti's tafseer, "al-Durr-ul-Manthuur" says exactly the same! Here is a longer excerpt from Jalaaluddin al-Suyuuti's tafseer "al-Durr-ul-Manthuur { يَـٰأَيُّهَا ٱلرَّسُولُ بَلِّغْ مَآ أُنزِلَ إِلَيْكَ مِن رَّبِّكَ وَإِن لَّمْ تَفْعَلْ فَمَا بَلَّغْتَ رِسَالَتَهُ وَٱللَّهُ يَعْصِمُكَ مِنَ ٱلنَّاسِ إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ لاَ يَهْدِي ٱلْقَوْمَ ٱلْكَافِرِينَ } أخرج أبو الشيخ عن الحسن أن رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم قال " إن الله بعثني برسالة فضقت بها ذرعاً، وعرفت أن الناس مكذبي، فوعدني لأبلغن أو ليعذبني، فأنزل { يا أيها الرسول بلِّغ ما أنزل إليك من ربك } ". وأخرج عبد بن حميد وابن جرير وابن أبي حاتم وأبو الشيخ عن مجاهد قال: لما نزلت { بلغ ما أنزل إليك من ربك } قال: يا رب، إنما أنا واحد كيف أصنع ليجتمع عليّ الناس؟، فنزلت { وإن لم تفعل فما بلغت رسالته }. وأخرج ابن أبي حاتم وابن مردويه وابن عساكر عن أبي سعيد الخدري قال: نزلت هذه الآية { يا أيها الرسول بلغ ما أنزل إليك من ربك } على رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم يوم غدير خم، في علي بن أبي طالب. وأخرج ابن مردويه عن ابن مسعود قال: كنا نقرأ على عهد رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم { يا أيها الرسول بلغ ما أنزل إليك من ربك } أن علياً مولى المؤمنين { وإن لم تفعل فما بلغت رسالته والله يعصمك من الناس }. www.altafsir.com/Tafasir.asp?tMadhNo=2&tTafsirNo=26&tSoraNo=5&tAyahNo=67&tDisplay=yes&UserProfile=0&LanguageId=1 "O' Prophet! Convey what has been revealed to you from your Lord that Ali is the mawlaa (master / leader) of the believers and if you do not then you have conveyed God's message, a God will protect you from the people (who mean harm)." There are several accounts of the Event of al-Ghadeer that mention Umar ibn al-Khattab congratulating Imam Ali thus: !ٍ بخ بخ لك یا علی اصبحتَ مولایَ و مولی کل ِمؤمن ٍ و مؤمنة "Congratulations to you O' Ali, you have become my 'mawla' and the 'mawla' of every Muslim man and woman!" This ties in with the full verse 67, of the Quran The scholar al-Amiini, wrote an 11 volume encylopedia called "Al-Ghadīr fī l-kitāb wa l-sunna wa l-adab" (الغدير في الکتاب و السنة و الأدب ) where all this, and much more is mentioned. *So, I'm afraid Shady is being unfair that it's only in the Shi'i tradition that earlier Quranic compilations are mentioned, including the one by Ali Ibn Abi Talib, the Prpohet's cousin (and later also his son-in-law). Both, Jalaaluddin al-Suyuuti and Muhammad ash-Shawkani, being well-known SUNNIs, also go into details of Ibn Mas'uud's Quran compilation, and Ibn Nadim al-Baghdadi mentions Ali Ibn abi Talib's Quran compilation as well as discussing Ibn Mas'uud's compilation, the latter in considerable detail* ! *It's time the Muslim world came to terms with these facts, just as they ought to regarding the events of Ghadir al-Khumm, Saqeefah, and the earlier events just prior to the prophet's demise. How long are we going to continue to live in denial* ? *Living in denial makes no sense* !

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1- Shady Hekmat Nasir and Gabriel Reynolds had the sheer audacity to interpret Quranic verse 15:9 as they deemed fit. The Quranic verse 15:9 explicitly guarantees the protection of the ‘’Message’’ (The Quran) by God. However, these ‘’Geniuses’’ while utilizing their pea sized brains narrowed the meaning down to demons and Satan, while leaving out God's protection against vile, evil and corrupt human beings. The extent of shallow mindedness these two "'Intellectuals'' displayed in this session is extremely embarrassing. ‘’We have, without doubt, sent down the Message; and We will assuredly guard it.’’ (Quran 15:9) 2- Apart from chapter 15 verse 9 in which God explicitly promises The Quran’s protection. God also assures the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) that He (GOD) is responsible for the collection, recitation and articulation of the Quran in chapter 75. ''It is for Us to collect it and to promulgate it. Therefore, when We have recited it, follow its recitation. Then, it is for Us to formulate its articulation." (Quran 75: 17-19) 3- Hekmat Nasir very conveniently said, who knows weather ‘’Zikr’’ in chapter 15 verse 9 does in fact refer to The Quran or not. This despicable person didn''t had the wits to mention that The Quran has been linked with ‘’Zikr’’ in numerous places including: 20:3, 38:1, 38:49, 65:10, 68:52 74:54, 76:29, 80:11, 81:27. This again highlights Hekmat Nasir's bias and sheer academic dishonesty. 4- The Quran is NOT a point of dissension or split between the Muslim Community. Every sect in Islam be it Sunni, Shia, Barelvi, Deobandi etc or even the Ahmadiyya, they all recite the Uthmanic Quran, the majority (more than 90%) reciting the mutawatir (mass transmitted) Qira’at of Hafs an Asim. There Is Only difference when it comes to the interpretation of some verses. 5- Unlike The New Testament, which has no attested manuscripts from the 1st century CE and has variants that have deep and profound theological implications on Christianity, the whole Quran is attested in WRITING (manuscripts) from the 7th century CE, backed by mutawatir (mass transmitted) oral tradition that goes back to Prophet Muhammad SW. Some of the manuscripts can viewed on the following site: www.islamic-awareness.org/quran/text/mss/ 6- Regarding The tradition which came up in this session: Narrated by Anas bin Malik: ‘’Hudhaifa bin Al-Yaman came to `Uthman at the time when the people of Sham and the people of Iraq were Waging war to conquer Arminya and Adharbijan. Hudhaifa was afraid of their (the people of Sham and Iraq) differences in the recitation of the Qur'an, so he said to `Uthman, "O chief of the Believers! Save this nation before they differ about the Book (Qur'an) as Jews and the Christians did before." So `Uthman sent a message to Hafsa saying, "Send us the manuscripts of the Qur'an so that we may compile the Qur'anic materials in perfect copies and return the manuscripts to you." Hafsa sent it to `Uthman. `Uthman then ordered Zaid bin Thabit, `Abdullah bin AzZubair, Sa`id bin Al-As and `AbdurRahman bin Harith bin Hisham to rewrite the manuscripts in perfect copies. `Uthman said to the three Quraishi men, "In case you disagree with Zaid bin Thabit on any point in the Qur'an, then write it in the dialect of Quraish, the Qur'an was revealed in their tongue." They did so, and when they had written many copies, `Uthman returned the original manuscripts to Hafsa. `Uthman sent to every Muslim province one copy of what they had copied, and ordered that all the other Qur'anic materials, whether written in fragmentary manuscripts or whole copies, be burnt.’’ This aforementioned tradition is questioned for its credibility and integrity by some pseudo-intellectuals since they claim that all the traditions that concern the standardization of the Quran by the Caliph Uthman have Ibn Shihab al-Zuhri is in the chain of transmission, hence they say that the Muslim narrative is highly questionable since it revolves around a single person, Ibn Shihab al-Zuhri . This is again an invalid and preposterous claim. There are countless authentic traditions with strong isnad (chain of transmission) without Ibn Shihab al-Zuhri that substantiate and cements the Muslim narrative regarding Uthman’s standardization of The Quran. For example, the following tradition talks about an abrogated verse that Uthman included while standardizing the Quranic text, narrated in Sahih Al Bukhari (Ibn Shihab is not in the chain) Narrated Ibn Az-Zubair: ''I said to `Uthman, "This Verse which is in Surat-al-Baqara: "Those of you who die and leave widows behind...without turning them out." has been abrogated by another Verse. Why then do you write it (in the Qur'an)?" `Uthman said. "Leave it (where it is), O the son of my brother, for I will not shift anything of it (i.e. the Qur'an) from its original position." (Reference: Sahih Al-Bukhari) Apart from these traditions, it has been established based on evidence that Standardized Quranic codices were infact sent to major cities during the caliphate of Uthman. Anyone interested can see the works of Dr. Hythem Sidky. 7- Then Shady Nasir asserted that the committee formulated by Caliph Uthman consisted of companions who were extremely young when the Prophet was alive and hence Uthman’s motives and wisdom with regards to the formulation of the committee is questionable. Hekmat Nasir yet again deliberately didn’t mention that Zaid bin Thabit, who was given the task to head the committee by Uthman, was a scribe appointed by Prophet Muhammad SW, and was responsible for recording revelations during Prophet Muhammad’s (peace be upon him) lifetime. Not only did Zaid record revelations for the Prophet but the Prophet had also instructed him to learn Hebrew and other languages as Zaid bin Thabit was a highly intelligent man and was gifted by ALLAH with great intellect and memory. Shady Hekmat Nasir needs to mend his ways, else he will be remembered as nothing more than an ignorant fool who used to propagate nothing but nonsense.

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LoL... These new ayahs 😂😂 whoever made them up are so uncreative, because they look so made-up.

I think someone visited him in his office lately,, how comes he is avoiding to say variant readying... why is he scared 😱 😨 😳

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Hahhhhh you right we just told him to stay in your line that's all 😁😁 after our visit he became more tidy isn't? 😁😁😁

@farhanwyne6040

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1- Shady Hekmat Nasir and Gabriel Reynolds had the sheer audacity to interpret Quranic verse 15:9 as they deemed fit. The Quranic verse 15:9 explicitly guarantees the protection of the ‘’Message’’ (The Quran) by God. However, these ‘’Geniuses’’ while utilizing their pea sized brains narrowed the meaning down to demons and Satan, while leaving out God's protection against corrupt human beings or textual alteration that might be due to human error. The extent of shallow mindedness these two "'Intellectuals'' displayed in this session is extremely embarrassing. ‘’We have, without doubt, sent down the Message; and We will assuredly guard it.’’ (Quran 15:9) 2- Apart from chapter 15 verse 9 in which God explicitly promises The Quran’s protection. God also assures the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) that He (GOD) is responsible for the collection, recitation and articulation of the Quran in chapter 75. ''It is for Us to collect it and to promulgate it. Therefore, when We have recited it, follow its recitation. Then, it is for Us to formulate its articulation." (Quran 75: 17-19) 3- Hekmat Nasir very conveniently said, who knows weather ‘’Zikr’’ in chapter 15 verse 9 does in fact refer to The Quran or not. This despicable person didn''t had the wits to mention that The Quran has been linked with ‘’Zikr’’ in numerous places including: 20:3, 38:1, 38:49, 65:10, 68:52 74:54, 76:29, 80:11, 81:27. This again highlights Hekmat Nasir's bias and sheer academic dishonesty. 4- The Quran is NOT a point of dissension or split between the Muslim Community. Every sect in Islam be it Sunni, Shia, Barelvi, Deobandi etc or even the Ahmadiyya, they all recite the Uthmanic Quran, the majority (more than 90%) reciting the mutawatir (mass transmitted) Qira’at of Hafs an Asim while others recite mass transmitted Qira'at of Warsh an Naafi or one of the 10 other mutawatir Qira'at. There Is Only difference when it comes to the interpretation of some verses. 5- Unlike The New Testament, which has no attested manuscripts from the 1st century CE and has variants that have deep and profound theological implications on Christianity, the whole Quran is attested in WRITING (manuscripts) from the 7th century CE, backed by mutawatir (mass transmitted) oral tradition that goes back to Prophet Muhammad SW. Some of the manuscripts can viewed on the following site: www.islamic-awareness.org/quran/text/mss/ 6- Regarding The tradition which came up in this session: Narrated by Anas bin Malik: ‘’Hudhaifa bin Al-Yaman came to `Uthman at the time when the people of Sham and the people of Iraq were Waging war to conquer Arminya and Adharbijan. Hudhaifa was afraid of their (the people of Sham and Iraq) differences in the recitation of the Qur'an, so he said to `Uthman, "O chief of the Believers! Save this nation before they differ about the Book (Qur'an) as Jews and the Christians did before." So `Uthman sent a message to Hafsa saying, "Send us the manuscripts of the Qur'an so that we may compile the Qur'anic materials in perfect copies and return the manuscripts to you." Hafsa sent it to `Uthman. `Uthman then ordered Zaid bin Thabit, `Abdullah bin AzZubair, Sa`id bin Al-As and `AbdurRahman bin Harith bin Hisham to rewrite the manuscripts in perfect copies. `Uthman said to the three Quraishi men, "In case you disagree with Zaid bin Thabit on any point in the Qur'an, then write it in the dialect of Quraish, the Qur'an was revealed in their tongue." They did so, and when they had written many copies, `Uthman returned the original manuscripts to Hafsa. `Uthman sent to every Muslim province one copy of what they had copied, and ordered that all the other Qur'anic materials, whether written in fragmentary manuscripts or whole copies, be burnt.’’ This aforementioned tradition is questioned for its credibility and integrity by some pseudo-intellectuals since they claim that all the traditions that concern with the standardization of the Holy Quran by the Caliph Uthman have Ibn Shihab al-Zuhri in the chain of transmission, hence they say that the Muslim narrative is highly questionable since it revolves around a single person, Ibn Shihab al-Zuhri . This is again an invalid and preposterous claim. There are countless authentic traditions with strong isnad (chain of transmission) without Ibn Shihab al-Zuhri that substantiate and cements the Muslim narrative regarding Uthman’s standardization of The Quran. For example, the following tradition talks about an abrogated verse that Uthman included while standardizing the Quranic text, narrated in Sahih Al Bukhari (Ibn Shihab is not in the chain) Narrated Ibn Az-Zubair: ''I said to `Uthman, "This Verse which is in Surat-al-Baqara: "Those of you who die and leave widows behind...without turning them out." has been abrogated by another Verse. Why then do you write it (in the Qur'an)?" `Uthman said. "Leave it (where it is), O the son of my brother, for I will not shift anything of it (i.e. the Qur'an) from its original position." (Reference: Sahih Al-Bukhari) Apart from these traditions, it has been established based of evidence that Standardized Quranic codices were infact sent to major cities during the caliphate of Uthman. Anyone interested can see the works of Dr. Hythem Sidky. 7- Then Shady Nasir asserted that the committee formulated by Caliph Uthman consisted of companions who were extremely young when the Prophet was alive and hence Uthman’s motives and wisdom with regards to the formulation of the committee is questionable. Hekmat Nasir yet again deliberately didn’t mention that Zaid bin Thabit, who was given the task to head the committee by Uthman, was a scribe appointed by Prophet Muhammad SW, and was responsible for recording revelations during Prophet Muhammad’s (peace be upon him) lifetime. Not only did Zaid record revelations for the Prophet but the Prophet had also instructed him to learn Hebrew and other languages as Zaid bin Thabit was a highly intelligent man and was gifted by ALLAH with great intellect and memory. Shady Hekmat Nasir needs to mend his ways, else he will be remembered as nothing more than an ignorant fool who used to propagate nothing but nonsense.

It seems Shadi is more popular among Christian polemicists than among academics.

@farhanwyne6040

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1- These two individuals had the sheer audacity to interpret Quranic verse 15:9 as they deemed fit. The Quranic verse 15:9 explicitly guarantees the protection of the ‘’Message’’ (The Quran) by God. However, these ‘’Geniuses’’ while utilizing their pea sized brains narrowed the meaning down to demons and Satan, while leaving out God's protection against vile, evil and corrupt human beings. The extent of shallow mindedness these two "'Intellectuals'' displayed in this session is extremely embarrassing. ‘’We have, without doubt, sent down the Message; and We will assuredly guard it.’’ (Quran 15:9) 2- Apart from chapter 15 verse 9 in which God explicitly promises The Quran’s protection. God also assures the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) that He (GOD) is responsible for the collection, recitation and articulation of the Quran in chapter 75. ''It is for Us to collect it and to promulgate it. Therefore, when We have recited it, follow its recitation. Then, it is for Us to formulate its articulation." (Quran 75: 17-19) 3- Hekmat Nasir very conveniently said, who knows weather ‘’Zikr’’ in chapter 15 verse 9 does in fact refer to The Quran or not. This despicable person didn''t had the wits to mention that The Quran has been linked with ‘’Zikr’’ in numerous places including: 20:3, 38:1, 38:49, 65:10, 68:52 74:54, 76:29, 80:11, 81:27. This again highlights Hekmat Nasir's bias and sheer academic dishonesty. 4- The Quran is NOT a point of dissension or split between the Muslim Community. Every sect in Islam be it Sunni, Shia, Barelvi, Deobandi etc or even the Ahmadiyya, they all recite the Uthmanic Quran, the majority (more than 90%) reciting the mutawatir (mass transmitted) Qira’at of Hafs an Asim. There Is Only difference when it comes to the interpretation of some verses. 5- Unlike The New Testament, which has no attested manuscripts from the 1st century CE and has variants that have deep and profound theological implications on Christianity, the whole Quran is attested in WRITING (manuscripts) from the 7th century CE, backed by mutawatir (mass transmitted) oral tradition that goes back to Prophet Muhammad SW. Some of the manuscripts can viewed on the following site: www.islamic-awareness.org/quran/text/mss/ 6- Regarding The tradition which came up in this session: Narrated by Anas bin Malik: ‘’Hudhaifa bin Al-Yaman came to `Uthman at the time when the people of Sham and the people of Iraq were Waging war to conquer Arminya and Adharbijan. Hudhaifa was afraid of their (the people of Sham and Iraq) differences in the recitation of the Qur'an, so he said to `Uthman, "O chief of the Believers! Save this nation before they differ about the Book (Qur'an) as Jews and the Christians did before." So `Uthman sent a message to Hafsa saying, "Send us the manuscripts of the Qur'an so that we may compile the Qur'anic materials in perfect copies and return the manuscripts to you." Hafsa sent it to `Uthman. `Uthman then ordered Zaid bin Thabit, `Abdullah bin AzZubair, Sa`id bin Al-As and `AbdurRahman bin Harith bin Hisham to rewrite the manuscripts in perfect copies. `Uthman said to the three Quraishi men, "In case you disagree with Zaid bin Thabit on any point in the Qur'an, then write it in the dialect of Quraish, the Qur'an was revealed in their tongue." They did so, and when they had written many copies, `Uthman returned the original manuscripts to Hafsa. `Uthman sent to every Muslim province one copy of what they had copied, and ordered that all the other Qur'anic materials, whether written in fragmentary manuscripts or whole copies, be burnt.’’ This aforementioned tradition is questioned for its credibility and integrity by some pseudo-intellectuals since they claim that all the traditions that concern the standardization of the Quran by the Caliph Uthman have Ibn Shihab al-Zuhri is in the chain of transmission, hence they say that the Muslim narrative is highly questionable and revolves around a single person, Ibn Shihab al-Zuhri . This is again an invalid and preposterous claim. There are countless authentic traditions with strong isnad (chain of transmission) without Ibn Shihab al-Zuhri that substantiate and cements the Muslim narrative regarding Uthman’s standardization of The Quran. For example, the following tradition talks about an abrogated verse that Uthman included while standardizing the Quranic text, narrated in Sahih Al Bukhari (Ibn Shihab is not in the chain) Narrated Ibn Az-Zubair: ''I said to `Uthman, "This Verse which is in Surat-al-Baqara: "Those of you who die and leave widows behind...without turning them out." has been abrogated by another Verse. Why then do you write it (in the Qur'an)?" `Uthman said. "Leave it (where it is), O the son of my brother, for I will not shift anything of it (i.e. the Qur'an) from its original position." (Reference: Sahih Al-Bukhari) Apart from these traditions, it has been established based of evidence that Standardized Quranic codices were infact sent to major cities during the caliphate of Uthman. Anyone interested can see the works of Dr. Hythem Sidky. 7- Then Shady Nasir asserted that the committee formulated by Caliph Uthman consisted of companions who were extremely young when the Prophet was alive and hence Uthman’s motives and wisdom with regards to the formulation of the committee is questionable. Hekmat Nasir yet again deliberately didn’t mention that Zaid bin Thabit, who was given the task to head the committee by Uthman, was a scribe appointed by Prophet Muhammad SW, and was responsible for recording revelations during Prophet Muhammad’s (peace be upon him) lifetime. Not only did Zaid recorded revelations for the Prophet but the Prophet had also instructed him to learn Hebrew and other languages as Zaid bin Thabit was a highly intelligent man and was gifted by ALLAH with great intellect and memory. Shady Hekmat Nasir needs to mend his ways, else he will be remembered as nothing more than an ignorant fool who used to propagate nothing but nonsense.

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@aismail8321

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That's what makes his claims very shady

@arefinkamal7654

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@@GameboyAdvance6969 can you find a variant where it says Muhammad is the son of God? Or that Muslims should follow the Umayyads?

I watched a clip of Farid Responds responding to this professor and showing his ignorance My advice to you is to be sure to host the Salafi scholars because they are more deeply involved in studying hadith, which is the second revelation, which talked about many aspects of the stories of Jesus, Moses and the prophets, peace be upon them, and their teachings etc.. They are more strict in studying history books and knowing the true and false books, because they have studied the deviant doctrines of the authors, the goals of these authors, etc.

@smugler

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"The second revelation"?? خسئت!

@DarthKaiju

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You should watch Apostate Prophets response to Farid showing hes a fraud

@Koran90123

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Salafism is pure delusion.

@jamieammar6131

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Lol, Dr Shady told people about you, the Wahhabi Salafi groups. Consisting about 10-15 percent of all Muslims around the world, but have the most money. Trying to tell people what to do.

@Zazamarkle

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Hadiths are not revelations, very unreliable sayings.

I don't think that his stance on the hadith regarding the *Mutawatir* Hadith (that they were created for justification purposes) mentioning the existence of the 7 ahrufs is a sensible one, Surah Al-Fatiha is a great example of this, as there is a noticeable qir'aat difference with the word Malik & Maaalik. Surah Fatiha is recited at the beginning of the prayer 5 times a day everyday, most Muslims memorise this beforew even hitting puberty and it's not uncommon for 5 year olds to have memorised it perfectly, it's vitually impossible for this to have been an "error" that went unnoticed and it's more likely it had always existed along with other readings of Surah Fatiha, it being an "error"? that would be ridiclous and then there is the fact he essentially considered the mutawatir hadith to be a fabrication which again is highly unlikely.

@dom3073

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Shady is a godsend for Christians, its their version of Bart Erhhman. So dont expect a non-biased view.

@mnt2740

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Speaking for the majority Nice try. haha there were many issues after mohmmad died i wouldnt be surprised, if there are variants

@inquisitivemind007

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@@dom3073 you think Shady Nasser doesn't have backing? Ask Marijn van Putten and Hythem Sidky what they think of him.

@gtb393

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@Stevves I think you are referring to what he says at 46:30, but a minute later Shady clarified that he doesn't know whether it was fabricated. Rather he is talking about the reason it became widely circulated (in his first book, he found from isnad-cum-matn analysis that it began to be widely transmitted at a certain point, whether or not it existed before then). So when he says it exists to give legitimacy... I think he means exists as a widely transmitted hadith (rather than, say, a single or forgotten narration or event).

@stevves4647

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@@gtb393 Regardless, I think his analysis was off the mark, the reason he believes it was created for justification purposes is based on the assumption that the Qira'ats are illegitimate, however I think it's safe to say that other readings of the Qu'ran have always existed along with the other readings and Surah Al-Fatiha is a perfect example as to the existence of other readings of the Qu'ran, it's not possible for the 2 different readings aforementioned to have been mistakes that were adopted and we also have other hadiths, namely [Sahih Bukhari 4992] mentioning the existence of the ahrufs during the Prophets pbuh time, I'm not sure if Shady has ever mentioned this is any of his works but he sure didn't bring it up in the interview.

More on milking the spider!

The Quran was in use during the Prophet's lifetime among the muslims. The saying of the Prophet: "Gabriel would place before me, Quran for review once a year but this year he did it twice which indicates that the time of my departure is close at hand." The Prophets scribes were: Ali ibn abi taleb, Jafar ibn abi taleb, ibn masood, masab ibne Omair, and later obai ibne kab, Maaz ibne Jabal, Salim Maula Hazaifa. That's why it is with reference to Quran, which existed in complete form during the Prophet's life, that the Prophet said to his followers: "I leave amongst you Two Great Things, the Book of God and my Ahlul Bayt." The rumors spread by the hypocrites, as Quran 41:26 says "those who disbelieve say: do not listen to this Quran and make noise therein," and the first and second caliphs attempt at a collection of Quran and it not being published, is an anecdote to testify the lack of regard to rumors or their collection. It has been vouchsafed by the Second caliph that even women had a knowledge of the Quran more than those at the helm of the administration of the Muslim Empire. Hozaifa e Yamani, one of the most trusted confidants and prominent disciple of the Prophet (who had a complete list of the hypocrites mentioned in Quran), worried about the variety of recitation of Quran by soldiers. He advised the Third Caliph as a precaution to unify the muslims under the version of the Prophet. The third Caliph entrusted Zaid, who only followed Hozaifa's suggestions. This official version has no complaint of any omission, addition, or alteration by anyone including the Caliph's opponents who were framing him charge after charge of the deviation from the right path. The Third Caliph was blamed for the burning of other versions differing from the official version in recitation as an act of desecration of the word of God. But not adulteration. Even with this care the rulers could not stop publication of other recitations. But the presence of the seven or ten varieties of the recitation and the absence of any copy, record, or narration of a different version of Quran after the publication of today's version, is the best and the greatest proof of the genuineness of the received version. Ali's, Ibn Masood's and ibne Kab's versions only differed in that they had fully detailed commentary. In conclusion, this is why none of those of the acknowledged and authorized students of Quran raised any voice of dissent at all against the received version though all of them were alive and had their own complaints and grievances of other religious importance against the ruling party.

@IslamOriginal14

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@EveryIsnaad IsFabricated Muhammad existed. Lets be clear there. But my friend, you get the biography of the Prophet from his Ahlul Bayt. Was Fatima Zahra myth? Or was the successor of the prophet, his brother, and his self, Ali ibn abi taleb, myth? Or Hassan and Husayn? Or Zaynab bint Ali? Or was Muhammad al baqir myth? How bout Jafar as sadiq? Or Musa al kathim? Or Ali ar Rida, Muhammad at taqi, Ali an naqi, and Hassan al askari? Hadith are numerous. But mutawatir hadith, which are unanimously agreed to by sunni and shia schools are a handful. And the hadith of thaqalayn is indisputable. As is ghadeer khum, ahlul kisa, and mubahila.

@IslamOriginal14

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@EveryIsnaad IsFabricated I agree there may be fabrications in hadith and tafseer detailing the Prophets life. What's true and what isn't can only be had through Ahlul Bayt, ie Ahlul Kisa. Was Imam Husayn on Karbala myth?

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1- Shady Hekmat Nasir and Gabriel Reynolds had the sheer audacity to interpret Quranic verse 15:9 as they deemed fit. The Quranic verse 15:9 explicitly guarantees the protection of the ‘’Message’’ (The Quran) by God. However, these ‘’Geniuses’’ while utilizing their pea sized brains narrowed the meaning down to demons and Satan, while leaving out God's protection against corrupt human beings or textual alteration that might be due to human error. The extent of shallow mindedness these two "'Intellectuals'' displayed in this session is extremely embarrassing. ‘’We have, without doubt, sent down the Message; and We will assuredly guard it.’’ (Quran 15:9) 2- Apart from chapter 15 verse 9 in which God explicitly promises The Quran’s protection. God also assures the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) that He (GOD) is responsible for the collection, recitation and articulation of the Quran in chapter 75. ''It is for Us to collect it and to promulgate it. Therefore, when We have recited it, follow its recitation. Then, it is for Us to formulate its articulation." (Quran 75: 17-19) 3- Hekmat Nasir very conveniently said, who knows weather ‘’Zikr’’ in chapter 15 verse 9 does in fact refer to The Quran or not. This despicable person didn''t had the wits to mention that The Quran has been linked with ‘’Zikr’’ in numerous places including: 20:3, 38:1, 38:49, 65:10, 68:52 74:54, 76:29, 80:11, 81:27. This again highlights Hekmat Nasir's bias and sheer academic dishonesty. 4- The Quran is NOT a point of dissension or split between the Muslim Community. Every sect in Islam be it Sunni, Shia, Barelvi, Deobandi etc or even the Ahmadiyya, they all recite the Uthmanic Quran, the majority (more than 90%) reciting the mutawatir (mass transmitted) Qira’at of Hafs an Asim while others recite mass transmitted Qira'at of Warsh an Naafi or one of the 10 other mutawatir Qira'at. There Is Only difference when it comes to the interpretation of some verses. 5- Unlike The New Testament, which has no attested manuscripts from the 1st century CE and has variants that have deep and profound theological implications on Christianity, the whole Quran is attested in WRITING (manuscripts) from the 7th century CE, backed by mutawatir (mass transmitted) oral tradition that goes back to Prophet Muhammad SW. Some of the manuscripts can viewed on the following site: www.islamic-awareness.org/quran/text/mss/ 6- Regarding The tradition which came up in this session: Narrated by Anas bin Malik: ‘’Hudhaifa bin Al-Yaman came to `Uthman at the time when the people of Sham and the people of Iraq were Waging war to conquer Arminya and Adharbijan. Hudhaifa was afraid of their (the people of Sham and Iraq) differences in the recitation of the Qur'an, so he said to `Uthman, "O chief of the Believers! Save this nation before they differ about the Book (Qur'an) as Jews and the Christians did before." So `Uthman sent a message to Hafsa saying, "Send us the manuscripts of the Qur'an so that we may compile the Qur'anic materials in perfect copies and return the manuscripts to you." Hafsa sent it to `Uthman. `Uthman then ordered Zaid bin Thabit, `Abdullah bin AzZubair, Sa`id bin Al-As and `AbdurRahman bin Harith bin Hisham to rewrite the manuscripts in perfect copies. `Uthman said to the three Quraishi men, "In case you disagree with Zaid bin Thabit on any point in the Qur'an, then write it in the dialect of Quraish, the Qur'an was revealed in their tongue." They did so, and when they had written many copies, `Uthman returned the original manuscripts to Hafsa. `Uthman sent to every Muslim province one copy of what they had copied, and ordered that all the other Qur'anic materials, whether written in fragmentary manuscripts or whole copies, be burnt.’’ This aforementioned tradition is questioned for its credibility and integrity by some pseudo-intellectuals since they claim that all the traditions that concern with the standardization of the Holy Quran by the Caliph Uthman have Ibn Shihab al-Zuhri in the chain of transmission, hence they say that the Muslim narrative is highly questionable since it revolves around a single person, Ibn Shihab al-Zuhri . This is again an invalid and preposterous claim. There are countless authentic traditions with strong isnad (chain of transmission) without Ibn Shihab al-Zuhri that substantiate and cements the Muslim narrative regarding Uthman’s standardization of The Quran. For example, the following tradition talks about an abrogated verse that Uthman included while standardizing the Quranic text, narrated in Sahih Al Bukhari (Ibn Shihab is not in the chain) Narrated Ibn Az-Zubair: ''I said to `Uthman, "This Verse which is in Surat-al-Baqara: "Those of you who die and leave widows behind...without turning them out." has been abrogated by another Verse. Why then do you write it (in the Qur'an)?" `Uthman said. "Leave it (where it is), O the son of my brother, for I will not shift anything of it (i.e. the Qur'an) from its original position." (Reference: Sahih Al-Bukhari) Apart from these traditions, it has been established based of evidence that Standardized Quranic codices were infact sent to major cities during the caliphate of Uthman. Anyone interested can see the works of Dr. Hythem Sidky. 7- Then Shady Nasir asserted that the committee formulated by Caliph Uthman consisted of companions who were extremely young when the Prophet was alive and hence Uthman’s motives and wisdom with regards to the formulation of the committee is questionable. Hekmat Nasir yet again deliberately didn’t mention that Zaid bin Thabit, who was given the task to head the committee by Uthman, was a scribe appointed by Prophet Muhammad SW, and was responsible for recording revelations during Prophet Muhammad’s (peace be upon him) lifetime. Not only did Zaid record revelations for the Prophet but the Prophet had also instructed him to learn Hebrew and other languages as Zaid bin Thabit was a highly intelligent man and was gifted by ALLAH with great intellect and memory. Shady Hekmat Nasir needs to mend his ways, else he will be remembered as nothing more than an ignorant fool who used to propagate nothing but nonsense.

@sanir6

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Ahlul Al Bayt? That is the Shia version. Sunni version is Sunnah and the Quranist version if you will it is only the Quran

@IslamOriginal14

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@@sanir6 no brother. Quran and sunnah is a fabrication. Quran and Ahlul Bayt, thaqalayn (two weighty items), is universally accepted by both Sunnis and Shia. It is famous and mutawatir. See Sahih Muslim #31.5920-3 The Prophet said, "I am leaving among you two weighty things, one being the Book of Allah in which there is right guidance and light, so hold fast to the Book of Allah and adhere to it... The second are the members of my household (Ahl al-Bayt; Quran 33:33). I remind you of the members of my family." Also see references to these sunni works: Sunan Tirmidhi #3788; Musnad Hanbal #11147 and #11119; and Fada il Hanbal #1382 Musnad Hanbal #11578, #19332, #19285, #21618, #21697 Kanz al Ummal #872, #873, #944, #946, #951-3, #957, #958, #1657, #12911, #36340, #37620-1, #39192 Fada il Hanbal #968, #1032, #1383 Majma al Zawa id #14957-9, #14962 (certifies the chain as excellent) Mustadrik Hakim #4576 and #4711 (certifies the tradition authentic by the criteria of Bukhari and Muslim) Mustadrik Hakim #6272 (certifies as authentic) Sunan al Kubra Nasa i #8175 Sunan al Kubra Bayhaqi #2679, #13017, #20122 Khasa is Nasa i 93 Jami al Saghir Suyuti #2631 Khasa is al Kubra Suyuti 2:395 Fayd al Qadir #1608, #2631 Usd al Ghabah 2:16 #1165 (Hasan ibn Ali) Tarkh Ibn Kathir 5:228, 7:386 Tarikh Damishq 19:258, 41:19, 42:216, 54:92 Ibn Abi al Hadid 6:375, 9:133, 10:270, 18:43 Tafsir Ibn Atiyya, verse 55:29 Tafsir Baghawi, verses 42:23 and 55:31 Tafsir Baqa i, verse 55:31 Tafsir Durr al Manthur, verse 3:101 and 3:103 Tafsir Abu Hayyan, verse 55:31 Tafsir Ibn Kathir, verse 33:33 and 42:23 Tafsir Khazin, verses 42:23 and 55:31 Tafsir Nisaburi, verses 3:101 and 3:103 Tafsir Razi, verse 3:103 Tafsir Thalabi, verses 3:132, 33:33, and 55:31 And more

No original text? How convenient, the Christian’s should use that excuse.

I think, from this discussion, I have made some remarks regarding my belief in Islam: 1. The foundation of my iman must be from and towards God (Allah), while the Quran is just part of this Iman. I think it is safe to say that "I believe in Quran (scripture) as I believe in Injil and Torah". If I say, Injil and Torah were corrupted, then my judgement must also be applied to Quran (i.e. at least the Quran has variant, because it was man-made or consensus). Of course, I don't believe Quran is corrupted in the way that people in the past added or injected some surah or ayah. I think, because Quran was not formally compiled by prophet, so then there is no "original quran" as reference to judge "corrupted" or "not corrupted". I believe there must be some surah or ayah that were recited in prayers, but then those ayah or surah were no longer be recited. I mean, if some ayah were abrogated is that mean that ayah is no need to be included in Quran or not? 2. Shady Nasser is true when he says "in Islam, consensus is more important that scripture because consensus can abrogate the scripture". This is true because Quran itself already warned about this and in reality people will do it anyway. 3. when muslim scholars wrote about religious material (including Shady Nasser), we must remember that what their writings were just the opinion of their own. So don't take it seriously as if it was religious decree and become fanatic to follow their opinions. Just stick to the Quran, because it is what's the best we have...by the end of the day what we will be accounted for is how we follow the Quran and not following the opinion of ulama or scholar.

Qur'an is preserved far better than the Bible. Between the time of supposed authors of the OT and the oldest extant manuscripts there's in some cases over 1000 years and no memorisation tradition. The NT doesn't have any direct connection to the time of Jesus (pbuh), isn't in his language and is supposedly largely authored by someone who never even met him except in a claimed vision. But even same playing field.

Im not gonna lie shady nasser makes a LOT of false claims especially in his books. He blatantly misquotes and misrepresents muslim scholars, intentionally changes verses and doesn’t even recognise the authenticity of the sanad, just makes claims. He’s not as knowledgable as one may think

@declansutherland8526

11 ай бұрын

Who did he misquote and when?

Surprisingly, neither Shady nor you seem to know that during the time of Walid ibn Abdumalik, the Governor of Madinah Umar Ibn Abdulaziz supervised expansion and renovation of Prophet's Mosque and put mosaic inscriptions of Quran including Surah Al-Alfatiha and the al-falaq and al-nas among others in order. This was in the first century Hijrah Iranian chronicler Ibn Rustah gives eye-witness account in 4th century Hijri. That means traditions attributed to Ibn Masud were dismissed by the Muslim community few decades after Uthmanic canonization. How on earth Shady says Ibn Masud's codex existed until the 2nd century.

@stevenv6463

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We have written records attesting to the codex and how it differed from the Uthmanic mushaf.

@farhanwyne6040

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1- Shady Hekmat Nasir and Gabriel Reynolds had the sheer audacity to interpret Quranic verse 15:9 as they deemed fit. The Quranic verse 15:9 explicitly guarantees the protection of the ‘’Message’’ (The Quran) by God. However, these ‘’Geniuses’’ while utilizing their pea sized brains narrowed the meaning down to demons and Satan, while leaving out God's protection against corrupt human beings or textual alteration that might be due to human error. The extent of shallow mindedness these two "'Intellectuals'' displayed in this session is extremely embarrassing. ‘’We have, without doubt, sent down the Message; and We will assuredly guard it.’’ (Quran 15:9) 2- Apart from chapter 15 verse 9 in which God explicitly promises The Quran’s protection. God also assures the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) that He (GOD) is responsible for the collection, recitation and articulation of the Quran in chapter 75. ''It is for Us to collect it and to promulgate it. Therefore, when We have recited it, follow its recitation. Then, it is for Us to formulate its articulation." (Quran 75: 17-19) 3- Hekmat Nasir very conveniently said, who knows weather ‘’Zikr’’ in chapter 15 verse 9 does in fact refer to The Quran or not. This despicable person didn''t had the wits to mention that The Quran has been linked with ‘’Zikr’’ in numerous places including: 20:3, 38:1, 38:49, 65:10, 68:52 74:54, 76:29, 80:11, 81:27. This again highlights Hekmat Nasir's bias and sheer academic dishonesty. 4- The Quran is NOT a point of dissension or split between the Muslim Community. Every sect in Islam be it Sunni, Shia, Barelvi, Deobandi etc or even the Ahmadiyya, they all recite the Uthmanic Quran, the majority (more than 90%) reciting the mutawatir (mass transmitted) Qira’at of Hafs an Asim while others recite mass transmitted Qira'at of Warsh an Naafi or one of the 10 other mutawatir Qira'at. There Is Only difference when it comes to the interpretation of some verses. 5- Unlike The New Testament, which has no attested manuscripts from the 1st century CE and has variants that have deep and profound theological implications on Christianity, the whole Quran is attested in WRITING (manuscripts) from the 7th century CE, backed by mutawatir (mass transmitted) oral tradition that goes back to Prophet Muhammad SW. Some of the manuscripts can viewed on the following site: www.islamic-awareness.org/quran/text/mss/ 6- Regarding The tradition which came up in this session: Narrated by Anas bin Malik: ‘’Hudhaifa bin Al-Yaman came to `Uthman at the time when the people of Sham and the people of Iraq were Waging war to conquer Arminya and Adharbijan. Hudhaifa was afraid of their (the people of Sham and Iraq) differences in the recitation of the Qur'an, so he said to `Uthman, "O chief of the Believers! Save this nation before they differ about the Book (Qur'an) as Jews and the Christians did before." So `Uthman sent a message to Hafsa saying, "Send us the manuscripts of the Qur'an so that we may compile the Qur'anic materials in perfect copies and return the manuscripts to you." Hafsa sent it to `Uthman. `Uthman then ordered Zaid bin Thabit, `Abdullah bin AzZubair, Sa`id bin Al-As and `AbdurRahman bin Harith bin Hisham to rewrite the manuscripts in perfect copies. `Uthman said to the three Quraishi men, "In case you disagree with Zaid bin Thabit on any point in the Qur'an, then write it in the dialect of Quraish, the Qur'an was revealed in their tongue." They did so, and when they had written many copies, `Uthman returned the original manuscripts to Hafsa. `Uthman sent to every Muslim province one copy of what they had copied, and ordered that all the other Qur'anic materials, whether written in fragmentary manuscripts or whole copies, be burnt.’’ This aforementioned tradition is questioned for its credibility and integrity by some pseudo-intellectuals since they claim that all the traditions that concern with the standardization of the Holy Quran by the Caliph Uthman have Ibn Shihab al-Zuhri in the chain of transmission, hence they say that the Muslim narrative is highly questionable since it revolves around a single person, Ibn Shihab al-Zuhri . This is again an invalid and preposterous claim. There are countless authentic traditions with strong isnad (chain of transmission) without Ibn Shihab al-Zuhri that substantiate and cements the Muslim narrative regarding Uthman’s standardization of The Quran. For example, the following tradition talks about an abrogated verse that Uthman included while standardizing the Quranic text, narrated in Sahih Al Bukhari (Ibn Shihab is not in the chain) Narrated Ibn Az-Zubair: ''I said to `Uthman, "This Verse which is in Surat-al-Baqara: "Those of you who die and leave widows behind...without turning them out." has been abrogated by another Verse. Why then do you write it (in the Qur'an)?" `Uthman said. "Leave it (where it is), O the son of my brother, for I will not shift anything of it (i.e. the Qur'an) from its original position." (Reference: Sahih Al-Bukhari) Apart from these traditions, it has been established based of evidence that Standardized Quranic codices were infact sent to major cities during the caliphate of Uthman. Anyone interested can see the works of Dr. Hythem Sidky. 7- Then Shady Nasir asserted that the committee formulated by Caliph Uthman consisted of companions who were extremely young when the Prophet was alive and hence Uthman’s motives and wisdom with regards to the formulation of the committee is questionable. Hekmat Nasir yet again deliberately didn’t mention that Zaid bin Thabit, who was given the task to head the committee by Uthman, was a scribe appointed by Prophet Muhammad SW, and was responsible for recording revelations during Prophet Muhammad’s (peace be upon him) lifetime. Not only did Zaid record revelations for the Prophet but the Prophet had also instructed him to learn Hebrew and other languages as Zaid bin Thabit was a highly intelligent man and was gifted by ALLAH with great intellect and memory. Shady Hekmat Nasir needs to mend his ways, else he will be remembered as nothing more than an ignorant fool who used to propagate nothing but nonsense.

Quite unfortunate to see this.

@inquisitivemind007

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More like congratulations to Gabriel for debunking Islam ☪️. Both Gabriel Said Reynolds and Derek Lambert are doing a fantastic job.

@ConsideringPhlebas

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Erm, why?

@farhanwyne6040

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1- Shady Hekmat Nasir and Gabriel Reynolds had the sheer audacity to interpret Quranic verse 15:9 as they deemed fit. The Quranic verse 15:9 explicitly guarantees the protection of the ‘’Message’’ (The Quran) by God. However, these ‘’Geniuses’’ while utilizing their pea sized brains narrowed the meaning down to demons and Satan, while leaving out God's protection against corrupt human beings or textual alteration that might be due to human error. The extent of shallow mindedness these two "'Intellectuals'' displayed in this session is extremely embarrassing. ‘’We have, without doubt, sent down the Message; and We will assuredly guard it.’’ (Quran 15:9) 2- Apart from chapter 15 verse 9 in which God explicitly promises The Quran’s protection. God also assures the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) that He (GOD) is responsible for the collection, recitation and articulation of the Quran in chapter 75. ''It is for Us to collect it and to promulgate it. Therefore, when We have recited it, follow its recitation. Then, it is for Us to formulate its articulation." (Quran 75: 17-19) 3- Hekmat Nasir very conveniently said, who knows weather ‘’Zikr’’ in chapter 15 verse 9 does in fact refer to The Quran or not. This despicable person didn''t had the wits to mention that The Quran has been linked with ‘’Zikr’’ in numerous places including: 20:3, 38:1, 38:49, 65:10, 68:52 74:54, 76:29, 80:11, 81:27. This again highlights Hekmat Nasir's bias and sheer academic dishonesty. 4- The Quran is NOT a point of dissension or split between the Muslim Community. Every sect in Islam be it Sunni, Shia, Barelvi, Deobandi etc or even the Ahmadiyya, they all recite the Uthmanic Quran, the majority (more than 90%) reciting the mutawatir (mass transmitted) Qira’at of Hafs an Asim while others recite mass transmitted Qira'at of Warsh an Naafi or one of the 10 mutawatir Qira'at. There Is Only difference when it comes to the interpretation of some verses. 5- Unlike The New Testament, which has no attested manuscripts from the 1st century CE and has variants that have deep and profound theological implications on Christianity, the whole Quran is attested in WRITING (manuscripts) from the 7th century CE, backed by mutawatir (mass transmitted) oral tradition that goes back to Prophet Muhammad SW. Some of the manuscripts can viewed on the following site: www.islamic-awareness.org/quran/text/mss/ 6- Regarding The tradition which came up in this session: Narrated by Anas bin Malik: ‘’Hudhaifa bin Al-Yaman came to `Uthman at the time when the people of Sham and the people of Iraq were Waging war to conquer Arminya and Adharbijan. Hudhaifa was afraid of their (the people of Sham and Iraq) differences in the recitation of the Qur'an, so he said to `Uthman, "O chief of the Believers! Save this nation before they differ about the Book (Qur'an) as Jews and the Christians did before." So `Uthman sent a message to Hafsa saying, "Send us the manuscripts of the Qur'an so that we may compile the Qur'anic materials in perfect copies and return the manuscripts to you." Hafsa sent it to `Uthman. `Uthman then ordered Zaid bin Thabit, `Abdullah bin AzZubair, Sa`id bin Al-As and `AbdurRahman bin Harith bin Hisham to rewrite the manuscripts in perfect copies. `Uthman said to the three Quraishi men, "In case you disagree with Zaid bin Thabit on any point in the Qur'an, then write it in the dialect of Quraish, the Qur'an was revealed in their tongue." They did so, and when they had written many copies, `Uthman returned the original manuscripts to Hafsa. `Uthman sent to every Muslim province one copy of what they had copied, and ordered that all the other Qur'anic materials, whether written in fragmentary manuscripts or whole copies, be burnt.’’ This aforementioned tradition is questioned for its credibility and integrity by some pseudo-intellectuals since they claim that all the traditions that concern with the standardization of the Holy Quran by the Caliph Uthman have Ibn Shihab al-Zuhri in the chain of transmission, hence they say that the Muslim narrative is highly questionable since it revolves around a single person, Ibn Shihab al-Zuhri . This is again an invalid and preposterous claim. There are countless authentic traditions with strong isnad (chain of transmission) without Ibn Shihab al-Zuhri that substantiate and cements the Muslim narrative regarding Uthman’s standardization of The Quran. For example, the following tradition talks about an abrogated verse that Uthman included while standardizing the Quranic text, narrated in Sahih Al Bukhari (Ibn Shihab is not in the chain) Narrated Ibn Az-Zubair: ''I said to `Uthman, "This Verse which is in Surat-al-Baqara: "Those of you who die and leave widows behind...without turning them out." has been abrogated by another Verse. Why then do you write it (in the Qur'an)?" `Uthman said. "Leave it (where it is), O the son of my brother, for I will not shift anything of it (i.e. the Qur'an) from its original position." (Reference: Sahih Al-Bukhari) Apart from these traditions, it has been established based on evidence that Standardized Quranic codices were infact sent to major cities during the caliphate of Uthman. Anyone interested can see the works of Dr. Hythem Sidky. 7- Then Shady Nasir asserted that the committee formulated by Caliph Uthman consisted of companions who were extremely young when the Prophet was alive and hence Uthman’s motives and wisdom with regards to the formulation of the committee is questionable. Hekmat Nasir yet again deliberately didn’t mention that Zaid bin Thabit, who was given the task to head the committee by Uthman, was a scribe appointed by Prophet Muhammad SW, and was responsible for recording revelations during Prophet Muhammad’s (peace be upon him) lifetime. Not only did Zaid record revelations for the Prophet but the Prophet had also instructed him to learn Hebrew and other languages as Zaid bin Thabit was a highly intelligent man and was gifted by ALLAH with great intellect and memory. Shady Hekmat Nasir needs to mend his ways, else he will be remembered as nothing more than an ignorant fool who used to propagate nothing but nonsense.

Although so many beauty comes from this research ❤️❤️💐but one of the main thing we learn is not to fall foolish by zakir naik type people who mislead us to say koran is the last word and only book that is complete or untouched , This also breaks the egoist belief within our community that Some parts of koran that sound dehumised like (not forgiving Shirk- ) verses most merciful God, “Muslims being pimp for women slaves and no need to sell and buy them no more ‘ slave women being forced into sex after war” Under age marriage “ Woman for woman in retaliation of justice “ Prophet having an temptation for married woman” Just to name few , are all maybe not really part of the actual qirahats in other mus-hafs “ Also the language of Koran is so weak that constantly needs translation “ I think we can live in a better world if we treat koran like a hadeeths book and take the good from it and avoid what we don’t understand or what seems not right - This is a great beggeninh of a long hard tuff journey but at the end maybe we will be able to seperate Quran from politics

He's been debunked several times. Gonna have to pass on this one Gabriel. Example: kzread.info/dash/bejne/hYaqxZiScbXggrw.html&ab_channel=FaridResponds

@francisaltitude9763

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Farid debunks no one lol

@blackjack8043

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Nothing was genuinely debunked that changes his main thesis. Sure, he's made a few mistakes but so what? Scholars are not immune to error! The fairest examples Farid gave are Tabaris opinion on Maliki and Shadys notes on Ibn Dhawkan. Others are absolutely nonsense like when Farid goes after Shady for his notes on Asim and Qunbul.

@inquisitivemind007

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Debunked? The idiot Farid made him famous! Now whenever there is a video or book released by Shady Nasser everyone will know who he is and will listen to/read it.

@alfiras8604

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@@blackjack8043 I think the point about Ibn Atiyyah is fair. What exactly is nonsensical about his criticism of his discussion of Asim etc?

@inquisitivemind007

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@@farhanwyne6040 clearly your Allah didn't protect it. Here is the proof kzread.info/dash/bejne/jJl819qxdK-fd6Q.html

1- Shady Hekmat Nasir and Gabriel Reynolds had the sheer audacity to interpret Quranic verse 15:9 as they deemed fit. The Quranic verse 15:9 explicitly guarantees the protection of the ‘’Message’’ (The Quran) by God. However, these ‘’Geniuses’’ while utilizing their pea sized brains narrowed the meaning down to demons and Satan, while leaving out God's protection against corrupt human beings or textual alteration that might occur due to human error. The extent of shallow mindedness these two "'Intellectuals'' displayed in this session is extremely embarrassing. ‘’We have, without doubt, sent down the Message; and We will assuredly guard it.’’ (Quran 15:9) 2- Apart from chapter 15 verse 9 in which God explicitly guarantees Quran’s protection. God also assures the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) that He (GOD) is responsible for the collection, recitation and articulation of the Quran in chapter 75. ''It is for Us to collect it and to promulgate it. Therefore, when We have recited it, follow its recitation. Then, it is for Us to formulate its articulation." (Quran 75: 17-19) 3- Hekmat Nasir very conveniently said, who knows weather ‘’Zikr’’ in chapter 15 verse 9 does in fact refer to The Quran or not. This despicable person didn't have the wits to mention that The Quran has been linked with ‘’Zikr’’ in numerous places including: 20:3, 38:1, 38:49, 65:10, 68:52 74:54, 76:29, 80:11, 81:27. This again highlights Hekmat Nasir's bias and sheer academic dishonesty. 4- The Quran has NEVER been a point of dissension or split between the Muslim Community. Every sect in Islam be it Sunni, Shia, Barelvi, Deobandi etc or even the Ahmadiyya, they all recite the Uthmanic Quran; the majority (more than 90%) reciting the mutawatir (mass transmitted) Qira’at of Hafs an Asim while others recite the mutawatir Qira'at of Warsh an Naafi ( very few people today also recite from the other mutawatir Qira'at like Qaloon and Doori). There Is Only difference when it comes to the interpretation of some verses. Note: Few extremist Shia raise Questions on the Uthmanic recension, however this is NOT the position of the Shia sect in general and they recite and accept the Uthmanic Qur'an as was done by their first imam Ali bin abi Talib and the imams who followed him. 5- Unlike The New Testament, which has no attested manuscripts from the 1st century CE and has variants that have deep and profound theological implications on Christianity, the whole Quran is attested in WRITING (manuscripts) from the 7th century CE, backed by mutawatir (mass transmitted) oral tradition that goes back to Prophet Muhammad SW. Some of the manuscripts can viewed on the following site: www.islamic-awareness.org/quran/text/mss/ 6- Regarding The tradition which came up in this session: Narrated by Anas bin Malik: ‘’Hudhaifa bin Al-Yaman came to `Uthman at the time when the people of Sham and the people of Iraq were Waging war to conquer Arminya and Adharbijan. Hudhaifa was afraid of their (the people of Sham and Iraq) differences in the recitation of the Qur'an, so he said to `Uthman, "O chief of the Believers! Save this nation before they differ about the Book (Qur'an) as Jews and the Christians did before." So `Uthman sent a message to Hafsa saying, "Send us the manuscripts of the Qur'an so that we may compile the Qur'anic materials in perfect copies and return the manuscripts to you." Hafsa sent it to `Uthman. `Uthman then ordered Zaid bin Thabit, `Abdullah bin AzZubair, Sa`id bin Al-As and `AbdurRahman bin Harith bin Hisham to rewrite the manuscripts in perfect copies. `Uthman said to the three Quraishi men, "In case you disagree with Zaid bin Thabit on any point in the Qur'an, then write it in the dialect of Quraish, the Qur'an was revealed in their tongue." They did so, and when they had written many copies, `Uthman returned the original manuscripts to Hafsa. `Uthman sent to every Muslim province one copy of what they had copied, and ordered that all the other Qur'anic materials, whether written in fragmentary manuscripts or whole copies, be burnt.’’ This aforementioned tradition is questioned for its credibility and integrity by some pseudo-intellectuals since they claim that all the traditions that concern with the standardization of the Holy Quran by the Caliph Uthman have Ibn Shihab al-Zuhri in the chain of transmission, hence they say that the Muslim narrative is highly questionable since it revolves around a single person, Ibn Shihab al-Zuhri . This is again an invalid and preposterous claim. There are countless authentic traditions with strong isnad (chain of transmission) without Ibn Shihab al-Zuhri that substantiate and cements the Muslim narrative regarding Uthman’s standardization of The Quran. For example the following two traditions (Ibn Shihab is not in the chain): 1- Narrated Ibn Az-Zubair: ''I said to `Uthman, "This Verse which is in Surat-al-Baqara: "Those of you who die and leave widows behind...without turning them out." has been abrogated by another Verse. Why then do you write it (in the Qur'an)?" `Uthman said. "Leave it (where it is), O the son of my brother, for I will not shift anything of it (i.e. the Qur'an) from its original position." (Reference: Sahih Al Bukhari) sunnah.com/bukhari:4536 2- Narrated Ibn 'Abbas: "I said to 'Uthman bin 'Affan: 'What was your reasoning with Al-Anfal - while it is from the Muthani (Surah with less than one-hundred Ayat), and Bara'ah while it is from the Mi'in (Surah with about one-hundred Ayat), then you put them together, without writing the line Bismillahir-Rahmanir-Rahim between them, and you placed them with the seven long (Surah) - why did you do that?' So 'Uthman said: 'A long time might pass upon the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) without anything being revealed to him, and then sometimes a Surah with numerous (Ayat) might be revealed. So when something was revealed, he would call for someone who could write, and say: "Put these Ayat in the Surah which mentions this and that in it." When an Ayah was revealed, he would say: "Put this Ayah in the Surah which mentions this and that in it." Now Al-Anfal was among the first of those revealed in Al-Madinah, and Bara'ah among the last of those revealed of the Qur'an, and its narrations (those of Bara'ah) resembled its narrations (those of Al-Anfal), so we thought that it was part of it. Then the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) died, and it was not made clear to us whether it was part of it. So it is for this reason that we put them together without writing Bismillahir-Rahmanir-Rahim between them, and we put that with the seven long (Surahs).”” (Reference: Jami At Tirmdhi) sunnah.com/tirmidhi:3086 Apart from these traditions, it has been established based on substantial evidence from radio carbon dating, palaeography etc that Standardized Quranic codices were infact sent to major cities during the time period that coincides with the caliphate of Uthman. Anyone interested can see the works by Dr. Hythem Sidky. 7- Then Shady Nasir asserted that the committee formed by Caliph Uthman consisted of companions who were extremely young when the Prophet was alive and hence Uthman’s motive and wisdom with regards to the formulation of the committee is questionable. Hekmat Nasir yet again deliberately didn’t mention that Zaid bin Thabit, who was given the task to head the committee by Uthman, was a scribe appointed by Prophet Muhammad SW, and was responsible for recording revelations during Prophet Muhammad’s (peace be upon him) lifetime. Narrated Al-Bara: "When the Divine Inspiration: "Those of the believers who sit (at home), was revealed the Prophet (ﷺ) sent for Zaid (bin Thabit) who came with a shoulder-blade and wrote on it. Ibn Um-Maktum complained about his blindness and on that the following revelation came: "Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) except those who are disabled (by injury, or are blind or lame etc.) and those who strive hard and fight in the Way of Allah with their wealth and lives)." (4.95) (Reference: Sahih Al Bukhari) sunnah.com/bukhari:2831 Not only did Zaid record revelations for the Prophet but the Prophet had also instructed him to learn Hebrew and other languages as Zaid bin Thabit was a highly intelligent man and was gifted by ALLAH with great intellect and memory. Shady Hekmat Nasir needs to mend his ways, else he will be remembered as nothing more than an ignorant fool who used to propagate nothing but nonsense.

@kassimtufail9061

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You need to learn more about Islamic history Quran is not divine word as you said translations are different from different readings why I think all Muslims are mantel slaves of Islam Arab ideology and all religions are man made garbage 🗑 read about history of masipothana .

Shady Nasser is a sloppy scholar. The amount of mistakes and misinterpretations in his books is amazing!

min 24;00 what is this guy "shady nasser" is talking about LOL he is making his own stories.. where the hell did he learn that oral transmission system was later developed after that the muslims found out that the script was not able to capture all different nuances of recitations and vowels all dottings preferences .. what a nonsense... he is just make things us .. this is Phd hahah... what a waste of time

This man is a secular Arab and he is trying to creat gaps and doubts in Islam at large using Quran. millions tried it before him, and he thinks harvard or yale is the winner. Never.

Thats why I left islam because the emergence of qira'at and preference. Those dont came from the prophet. Thats the bottom line