Shadow weaver’s real magic was making her eyes move

@br12_

4 жыл бұрын

Exactly lmao

@vanessatavarez8643

3 жыл бұрын

True I always wondered how she did that!

@sabbyali3212

3 жыл бұрын

She's got that spiderman thing going on

@unitlime7205

3 жыл бұрын

i actually think thats what hordak meant when he said she wasted the black garnet on parlor tricks

@phoenixsweet1697

3 жыл бұрын

😂

Shadow Weaver is a very complex character. I believe that she had good intentions in the later half of the show, but she didn't acknowledge her own flaws and thus never improved herself. She still was an extremely toxic, abusive and selfish person that was hated by everyone in her life, even those she cared about. And she realized that at the very end, which was what led to her ultimate sacrifice. Is that a redemption arc? not really, but it is an heroic, even if somewhat selfish, sacrifice. And yes only Shadow Weaver could make an inherently selfless act into a selfish one with that last "you are welcome". She died well, but she lived poorly.

@CamSiv996

3 жыл бұрын

Kinda ironic that she didn't get anything in return for her sacrifice. Counting as redemption arc.

@chill3845

3 жыл бұрын

"she lived poorly" OMG YES! THAT'S WHY I'D LIKE HER TO LIVE AND LET GO OF HER TOXICITIES AND LIVE A HAPPY LIFE WITH CASTASPELLA^^

@jonathannelson6841

3 жыл бұрын

Please go back and watch the flashback episode her origin story she is the very essence of selflessness all she wanted to do was to get stronger and use that strength to fight The Horde no one had any new plans no one had any good teamwork no one had anything that was going to tip the tide in this constant War she was the only one coming up with fresh ideas. The only sorcerer that was becoming more and more legendary but she hit a brick wall in her magical advancement no one else had any fucking ideas on how to protect their Planet but her lightspinner's idea didn't hurt anyone but herself and potentially the person that helps her cast spell to strengthen her magic she is in no way shape or form selfish even when she was bitter after the failing of the spell which was 100% Michaels fault because he bailed in the middle of casting and she suffered for it but I will say that she shouldn't have involved a child in that spell but that's besides the point she join The Horde slightly out of bitterness also because everyone shunned her for trying to do what's best for the planet but even when she was working with hordak she was trying to obtain power to destroy him she never agree with his ideology she never wanted him to be in control of the horde she was constantly trying to get stronger to kill him to get rid of The Horde that's why she kept experimenting with the black Garnet not for his sake personal power but for her own to be strong enough to destroy him

@tyran6444

3 жыл бұрын

@@jonathannelson6841 And none of that changes the issue she was a toxic person to everyone she interacted with: Catra, Adora, Micah, Glimmer. Moreover yes she wanted fight the Horde, yes she wanted to free the magic and yes she had no loyalty whatsoever to Hordak. But that is no the "essence of selflessness", as she had the most selfish approach to each one of those goals which was harnessing power for herself while disregarding the well-being of everyone else. She was so willing to sacrifice everyone, it was only so fitting that at the end she sacrificed herself. Also the failure with the spell of obtainment was her 100% own fault, because she was the one that decided to involve a child.

@jonathannelson6841

3 жыл бұрын

@@tyran6444 I agree her approach was selfish but only because when she was the only one that was coming up with new plans at the time no one supported her so she had to do whatever was necessary because she had no back up and everyone else just had their thumbs up their asses they are at war she did whatever she had to do to help the people of the people even if that means sacrificing some or manipulating others when the leaders of the planet are too incompetent to do anything useful and your by yourself you have to be and act a certain way I can't remember if goku said this in the majin but saga or in GT but the saying was "if I don't who will" shadow weaver is the goddamn personification of that phase she literally sacrificed her own morality for her planet literally her name went from "light spinner" to "shadow weaver" she metaphorically gave her soul to end this war and save her people

I just finished the ending and I’m feeling so many emotions I didn’t know even existed

@Goopiigoop

3 жыл бұрын

Same😭😭

@estrel41

3 жыл бұрын

Panicked! Josie YES

@ningen_human

3 жыл бұрын

Panicked! Josie I didn’t want shadow Weaver to die So~ I made her on a game And I’m happy

@noahthestar8620

3 жыл бұрын

Ikr

@niki6546

3 жыл бұрын

same! I cant stop thinking about how shadow weaver sacrificed herself.

I wish we got an episode where Micah tells the story of how he met Angela.

@handsew1774

4 жыл бұрын

Good idea for an episode!

@solaridastoobid

4 жыл бұрын

Yeeeees

@88phantasmagoria

3 жыл бұрын

HOW I MET YOUR MOTHER TO GLIMMER-

@brickyy3106

3 жыл бұрын

micah daddy

@justsomebody7575

3 жыл бұрын

Yes

because shadow weaver's character is such a huge part of the abuse narrative in she-ra, i would be careful about saying she 'redeemed' herself to catra and adora; an abuser doesn't 'redeem' themselves to their victims by doing one good thing and the fact that adora + catra seemed to care about shadow weaver when she took over fighting that monster (telling her not to do it, crying after she died), to me, felt more like how children of abusers have complicated feelings about their abuser when said abuser dies.

@GemR38

4 жыл бұрын

Spot on 👏

@frenchfries2998

3 жыл бұрын

I think they mean redeemed as in proving that she’s no longer evil. She never redeemed herself for the abuse.

@MistySophie

3 жыл бұрын

The creator even said that her death was to let Adora and Catra move on, not to redeem her

@eterniaaaa

3 жыл бұрын

In my opinion, she wasn't really an abuser, her *dark side* was. Light spinner wouldn't have abused anyone but ever since she made that dark spell and joined the Horde, she hasn't been the same as she use to be. When Catra strikes on her mask, the gem thingy is broken and shadow weaver becomes weaker, she joins the Rebellion's side and you see the Light Spinner personality that appears in her.

@madcat9024

3 жыл бұрын

@@eterniaaaa I think it's understandable to see this side but I do think that her abusiveness (specifically verbal, mental, emotional) is present even when she was Light Spinner. Like when she was performing the Spell of Obtainment with Micah, there were points where Micah wanted to stop and she forced him to keep going and was verbally hostile. I agree that the Spell of Obtainment and time in the Horde made her worse characteristics more present but I don't think that she was meant to be read as a wholly good person when she was Light Spinner.

Hang on, did Scorpia have two Moms? Neat.

@fishnamedbob6827

3 жыл бұрын

Noice two lgbt parents we have Scorpias Moms,And Bows dads

@digimonalvatrax2738

3 жыл бұрын

And they smaller than her.

@AnakinandPadme1231

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah i found out in her video i couldn't tell in the actual episode where they show the picture i don't think i was paying attention

What I like about Shadow Weaver as a character is that she never got a redemption arc, she just thinks she did. Throughout the series SW thinks only in terms of power. She joins whichever side is the strongest and take on mentees with high potential to further herself by proxy as she then manipulates them to act as extensions of herself. She does this while abusing ones with low potential. Shadow Weaver sees her switch to the princess alliance and training glimmer as all she needed for redemption without ever repenting upon the abuse she inflicted on Adora and Catra. ANd even when she's training Glimmer it's more like using her as a battery, especially at the end of season three and then a political puppet in season 4. Yes Shadow Weaver does forgo the power at the end of season five to save Catra but that's only because she knew she'd die if she took the power as established earlier in the season. She knew it had to be Adora, whom she still sees as an extension of her will, who had to take the power but she only now realized she had to be nice to catra before Adora would do that. I think the only thing Shadow weaver really learns in the series is that she was wrong about love making someone weak. But she still only ever acted to give herself and mentees the most power possible.

@doodars9357

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed. I think the only reason she sacrificed herself was because she was in a checkmate position: - take the hearts power for herself-dead - let Catra die - Adora wouldn’t take it aka dead - do nothing - Hordak wins aka dead Basically she’d die in any situation, doing it this way would mean that everyone lives, magic is restored, and in my opinion is just one more way to twist the knife in Catra and Adoras issues towards her

@jonathannelson6841

3 жыл бұрын

Where is everyone getting these weird ass Notions that shadow Weaver is just hungry for power for herself it's like everyone keeps forgetting the entire reason she wants to be stronger it's to help destroy the horde it's like everyone's missing those few key words she doesn't want the power for herself she already knows she's a badass sorceress she knows that she can only go so far as every sorcerer will hit a brick wall because they don't have the innate magic princess have all sorceress understand this she only wants to break those limits to help the fucking planet when she was mentoring Micah as lights winner it wasn't to further her achievement it's because the curriculum for teaching young sorceress won't allow them to blossom into their full potential both Micah and light spinner knew that she didn't want to ride the coattails of Micah she just wanted to do what every Mentor wants to do Unleashed there trainees full potential she had no intention of riding his clout she had no intention of siphoning off his magic she had no intention of doing anything malicious or selfish with any of her mentors as light spinner now what she did the catra was horrible what she did to adora was horrible what she did to glimmer it was morally gray I feel like she genuinely wanted to teach her because she's Michaels daughter but she was in a very desperate need to secure her own power and safety against hordak and potentially other people in glimmers Kingdom cuz castaspella was honestly going to kill that bitch at some point at least that's the Vibes that everyone was giving off that they don't trust her and she needs to die so what she did to glimmer it was purely out of Self preservation not greed she's not greedy or power-hungry for herself she only wants to get stronger to destroy the horde and protect our planet I don't understand why people keep vilifying her in ways that she doesn't need to be vilified she's an abuser of catra and adore she manipulated those two only why are people adding on extra shit she genuinely sacrificed herself because that's what she knew was the right thing to do they were in a race against the clock and the enemies they were fighting we're going to eat up too much time she knew how the heart of Adora and Catra work so she threw herself at a very powerful foe and kamikazes herself it wasn't because she was cornered if that's the case she wouldn't reveal her face and she wouldn't have shed tears

@1r3n3Char1s

3 жыл бұрын

The creators said too that she was lowkey buzzed from the wine she was drinking when Catra went to get her for help so idk if she even learned anything. Supposedly she never wouldve been nice to catra completely sober lolol

I don't really know if I'd call Shadow Weaver's final moment a redeeming moment at all. There isn't anything really indicating she *meant* what she said to Catra, but she DOES have years of grooming built up to know that both of the girls are incredibly vulnerable to her praise - Catra especially. She knew Adora wouldn't finish the mission without Catra, she didn't have the same leverage or power anymore to force any other outcome, and she was willing to say anything to get the mission accomplished. It's not like she could take the power of Etheria for herself at this point, anyways. Now, you might say that it was heroic for her to sacrifice her life - perhaps it was. But to me, it really felt more like a move to seize control of her posthumous narrative. If she is going to die either way, better to be remembered in a more charitable light than as an abuser and a war criminal. Obviously this is a subjective viewing of the show and the character, but that's...just kind of what being the child of a manipulative narcissist is like. Catra and Adora will never really know if Shadow Weaver was sincere in anything she was doing in her final moments, but you've got to take the closure you can get.

@sparxstreak02

4 жыл бұрын

AGREED! Noelle herself said she doesn’t consider Shadow Weaver redeemed, more like she went out on 1 good note - even her final words aren’t anything loving or parental, just ‘You’re Welcome.’ as if Catra & Adora should actually b GRATEFUL 2 her! 😤 Nope, 2 me she will always b a selfish, abhorrent being that’s bettered the world now that she’s no longer in it. (Harsh yes, but that’s how I c it.)

@ashylapis6656

4 жыл бұрын

@@sparxstreak02 100% agreed

@noisykrickett7758

4 жыл бұрын

sparxstreak02 yeah. She didn’t redeem herself. She bailed on the chance to make amends and actually make the changes that would be required of her to be redeemed.

@distortiondaisiras

4 жыл бұрын

let’s just remember she was drunk on wine when she died

@roxywoxy6917

4 жыл бұрын

@@sparxstreak02 Im pretty sure Adora wouldn't be ALIVE If it wasn't for shadow weaver wanting to keep her

Shadow Weaver, dying in front of Catra's eyes: Have fun bitching about me to your therapist now!

@br12_

4 жыл бұрын

I saw a vine of that lol

@toadlord8594

4 жыл бұрын

Sarcastic Chorus right?

@toadlord8594

4 жыл бұрын

Also Shadow weaver (dying): You two girls better name one of your kids after me, and give a nice gravestone after!

I like the relationship she has with Glimmer. It's a very grey one, considering that her mentoring does help Glimmer and the princess alliance, but it's also kind of manipulative and causes conflict.

I also love how instead of making her evil like horde prime, they made her EVIL as a human being.

Even the "good" light spinner wore a partial mask. I think that makes her last action even more poignant.

@Mediados

3 жыл бұрын

Indeed, only very few had seen her actual face and probably only her very innermost circle of friends.

Ok but can we just agree that as mother figure she completely failed Catra? She was so obsessed with grooming Adora that she rejected, neglected, verbally abused, emotionally abused and even physically abused Catra throughout the ENTIRE series. I feel that, though it was a noble sacrifice and was ultimately the deciding factor, her giving up her life was not a very good apology for years of every kind of abuse imaginable inflicted upon Catra for God knows what reason.

@TheNarratorFromParis

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, she could have atleast apologized to catra, but instead she just claimed that she was proud of her. If she apologized the same way glimmer did I would definetly think she was redeemed.

@labratgiigirl

Жыл бұрын

She did say it she said because cat-ra reminded her of herself when she was a kid

I would best describe shadow weaver as the ultimate fall from grace character. She fell from grace in mysticor, she fell from grace in the horde, she fell from grace in the rebellion, and most importantly she fell from grace with Adora. Not to mention shadow weaver was responsible for so much of the damage in the relationship between Adora and Catra from how she raised them to how she influenced their choices in the present. In the end, while I do not think shadow weaver was worthy of redemption, I do think that she was somewhat redeemed in the end. Shadow Weaver did want to stop horde prime, even if she had ulterior motives. I also felt she had a proper send off, and I was glad that Adora and Catra cried tears for her.

DOUBLE TROUBLE NEXT!! Please

@solisglam

3 жыл бұрын

YES WE NEED THEM

Shadow Weaver is my absolute favourite character! Also, why do I feel like her and Magneto from xmen would get along? They both have the best roasts XD

Damn. I honestly wish she never had to die. I love her and she is my favourite and comfort character. I am experiencing so many emotions i cant even explain it. I feel she is somewhat so misunderstood, she had good intentions. I really wish it didnt have to end that way. I know shes a fictional character but she will always have a place in my heart. I know it sound silly but thats how i feel. I nearly feel broken now that shes d3ad. Its not a real show and it shouldnt be absorbing me like this but it is. Ugh i dont know how to describe it. She makes me laugh and smile so so much. My fav scene was in her garden, when glimmer said ‘and what do those do’ and Shadow Weaver just replied ‘Those are Daisies, i find them cheerful’, that made me so happy and it was funny and ugh it was a nice feeling

@shellaa.l3839

Жыл бұрын

Shadow weaver deserved better😔

@GalaxyGamer0960

2 ай бұрын

bro I totally know how you feel, I was just like "no way..." when I saw that last episode and could barely grasp it for the rest of it, like okay maybe she was kinda terrible but she did have some good intentions somewhere I so wanted to see more, and maybe why she became like that in the first place, it could have been a terrible childhood y'know but now I guess we wont ever find out and while the show was amazing I think that was the best part, was how they wrote her character the daisies was also funny, like a scene where she was just standing there, arms crossed like she was doing a "hmph" [cant remember what episode but if I see it again I'll tell ya]

I never thought of shadow weaver as a villain but i acknowledge the horrible things she has done. She is my favorite character in she-ra, i feel as though she felt betrayed when mikah stopped helping with her spell. I feel as though her intentions were never bad but the execution was bad. And i was quit sad when she sacrificed herself but that scene was amazing and that “your welcome” was like her own way of saying sorry, but i wish we knew about her childhood and to know why she was so manipulative and abusive.

@shellaa.l3839

Жыл бұрын

I LOVE shadow weaver! She may be a terrible person but i like with her flaws!

8:40 OMG I JUST SAW THAT PERFUMA HUGED SHADOW WEAVER, AWWWWWWWWWWE

@ShaunVorMusic

3 жыл бұрын

LMAO

@phillyreapechlivanides6976

3 жыл бұрын

omg i just noticed

I personally wanna see Hordak next because they gave him so much character in the reboot, and a way more valid reason for redemption than Shadow Weaver Also cover his relationship with Entrapta and how she isn't a child, but actually around her 30's

@br12_

4 жыл бұрын

Wait she’s around 30?!!!!???!!! Jjsjjsjdkkfkdjdidisiidi

@kitcharlene8482

4 жыл бұрын

He legit killed catra once. And abused shadow weaver. He really wasn't redeemed. Lol

@m.artifex2001

4 жыл бұрын

@@kitcharlene8482 (baseline info to know: Hordak hates lying and hiding the truth because of his experience with Prime where he can read the clones thoughts, or maybe even reveal them to other clones to shame seid offending clone. This is also why his relationship with Entrapta works so well, they never really lie to eachother. When one needs an explanation (cough Hordak's decaying body cough) the other gives it. Now onto the on topic stuff) He suffocated Catra because she lied to and hid the truth from him, which is very important to him because of the reasons stated above and also she *lost* the only person in the Horde who could do magic (they still needed the Black Garnet and Scorpia can only really shoot lightning). Also, Catra killed people too tf?? She sent Entrapta to Beast Island (which is a death sentence and only two people seemed to have survived on it, Micah and Entrapta), raided and destroyed Mermista's kingdom (which involved killing people), and basically almost destroyed the entirety of Etheria/reality because of her obsessive resentment of Adora (which kinda killed everyone besides Adora, Catra, and Angella but then even Angella had to stay behind basically forever to stabilize reality). With the whole Shadow Weaver situation, it's Shadow Weaver can you blame him? But he knew that she was abusing cadets/soldiers/underlings in *his* name A.K.A lying which is a big nono in the Horde. He never straight-up killed her because (besides Scorpia who wasn't connected to her runestone until the end of season 4) Shadow Weaver was the *Only* magic user in the Horde, so she could either escape his death plan or overpower him outright. And iirc i don't remeber any *abuse* of Shadow Weaver, just seeing through her bs way of claiming credit and imprisoning her for lying to him (not outright killing her for the above reasons). So yeah, I don't believe that you can hold one of the three up on death and abuse when All Three of These People have been guilty for that. (Also if the fucking Diamonds could be redeemed then he can just be happy with Entrapta)

@m.artifex2001

4 жыл бұрын

@@kitcharlene8482 also comparison of Shadow Weaver and Hordak and their reasons for redemption: Shadow Weaver: -Was power hungry and used a dark parasite spell on herself so "we can defeat the Horde" but refused to listen to reason -Groomed a child to help in seid spell -Abused children she was in the care of in the Horde -became *even more* of a parasite by sapping the magic of Etheria through the Black Garnet -lied about having Hordak's approval for things he was in the dark about, multiple times -betrayed the people she has been working with for decades because of her obsessision with a teenager -hurt/groomed Glimmer by teaching her magic and using her energy to abuse Catra *in a rescue mission* -helped out the rebellion find the failsafe and actually had Castaspella deal with her to kill her if she tried to take power -tried to/manipulated Adora and Catra throughout season 5 -basically sacrificed herself and said "you should thank me for this" which traumatized and will cause need of therapy for both Catra *and* Adora ▪︎Redeemed Hordak: -was "born" and raised in an environment without individuality, without expression, without purpose other than serving Prime (cult) -was cast away on a random planet to die because of a defect that causes immense pain -was disconnected from the hivemind without a proper support system -did the only thing he knew how, conquer in Horde Prime's name -created a system where he was more of a puppet leader who had people making most decisions of what the Horde does *for* him, the process only ending with his approval -honored truth, loyalty and integrity in his "kingdom"/regime -did not waste resources on a runaway cadet -punished those who lied to him, and the lies were not small lies either -found an opportunity to manipulate Entrapta but found that he didn't need/want to -gained the first proper friend in he had ever had, where they had a mutually beneficial relationship and both cared for eachother's well being -almost delayed work on a machine that ended up almost killing everyone, to spend time with Entrapta -seemingly betrayed by the only person he ever trusted and was close to -was devastated when realizing he was never betrayed by Entrapta *but* by Catra instead -was forcibly reprogrammed and had his mind erased *twice* for having thoughts of his own (the second time was during a scene that was played more for Catra's fear than for the horror these clones go through) -accepted life as a servant under Prime for, seemingly, the rest of his life -broke through his programming after having a small reunion with Entrapta and ended up *Killing* the body of Whore Prime -got possessed as payback ▪︎Irredeemable monster who doesn't deserve love or any forgiveness

@vlncentchan

3 жыл бұрын

@@m.artifex2001 shadow weaver wasn't really redeemed either as a lot of comments state, and now I wish we could see more hordak development, like maybe he could discover there are other fun activities other that conquering worlds..

I greatly enjoyed SW as a character and as a villain, but I wouldn't call her one act of good a redemption. When she sacrificed herself for Catra, I said, 'well good! that is the VERY LEAST you can do for those poor girls after all the terrible things you'd done to them!' and even then, I wonder if it was more of a tactical decision to get Adora to the end than an emotional decision for Catra's sake -_- I couldn't help but think she would rather die than try to make nice with them anyway

Sometimes I forget how cruel Shadow Weaver was in season one and two because I'm so used to seeing her being somewhat of a good character in 3-5. She's my absolute favorite despite her being manipulative at a lot of times, but I think, if she was a real person, I'd probably be able to befriend her and make her proud of me because, let's be real, Shadow Weaver is still a lot better than my own dad. 😎👉👉

@ilikecookies9796

3 жыл бұрын

If your dad is a worse person than Shadow weaver, he must really suck. Like, really, REALLY suck.

@yi-hira

3 жыл бұрын

@@ilikecookies9796 he does. He manipulated me into hating myself for years just because I look like my mum, his ex wife. He's a coward, and cruel. He boasted he would disown me if I left to live with my mum, and since coming out as a lesbian, hasn't contacted me once. And that is just scratching the surface and not by much.

I don't think she redeemed herself, even though she turned to the good side, it was because in the horde she didn't had power anymore, so she turned there as betrayal and maybe bc she knew adora would heal her, not because she believed in the cause but bc she wanted power and be on the winning side. And when she sacrifices her it wasn't a selfless action, first of all she was drunk, and second though she did it in part to save etheria, she said "you're welcome" guys like, she saved the world, like was a good mom, she never said she was sorry, she never regretted anything, she did it to twist catra's and adora's minds and make her seem redeemed

Omg yassss SW is my favorite character, and I love how complex they made her as a villain

I loved Shadow Weaver and she is hands down my favorite in the entire show

@-Alura-

4 жыл бұрын

Same dude ,i cryed so hard when she died 😭😭😭

@bobby-

4 жыл бұрын

I love that woman

@thedark3ststar

4 жыл бұрын

Same Shes honestly really pretty lol

@br12_

4 жыл бұрын

oop ikr she’s really pretty

@digimonalvatrax2738

3 жыл бұрын

Me too

I don't think she had a redemption arc - more the opposite. I think she exposed through her interactions with the rebels, and especially when Catra returned, was that she was always going to be manipulative and self serving. She didn't change even when she was on the right side of the battle. She's like the opposite of Scorpia who spends most of the show being the purest character even while serving the Horde. Its a great lesson to learn. I think it was at the heart when Adora turned back for Catra that Shadow Weaver finally realized that she hadn't changed. She still only knew how to solve problems by taking more control for herself. What I feel was sad about her death wasn't that she redeemed herself in the end, but that she didn't...

@tomnorton4277

3 жыл бұрын

Shadow Weaver died for her adopted daughters. Saying that she wasn't redeemed is kind of like saying Darth Vader wasn't redeemed. Yes, it took until the very last moments of their lives for them to act selflessly but they did so in the end. Why is Darth Vader considered redeemed by doing literally ONE good thing after being evil for over twenty years but Shadow Weaver isn't?

@eileenbraswell3791

3 жыл бұрын

@@tomnorton4277 Noelle herself said that SW wasn’t redeemed at all. Her death was more of a final manipulation of Adora and Catra.

@akshaykareem6334

2 жыл бұрын

I have to disagree with u saying shadow weaver never changed. While she still was a power hunger abusive monster to the end, she did change. In the end she did sacrifice herself to save adora and catra. The shadow weaver in season 1 never would have done that

@yuukotombo6578

2 жыл бұрын

@@akshaykareem6334 That wasn't a sacrifice, that was a suicidal middle finger to them both. They had both moved on, she was losing power over them, it was easier to die then change.

@akshaykareem6334

2 жыл бұрын

@@yuukotombo6578 isn’t all self sacrifice suicide?

thank you so much for doing this... shadow weavers death has literally kept me up at night. I can't stop thinking about it. there is so much complexity to her story.

I honestly don’t think she deserves redemption I mean she basically manipulated Catra and Adora their whole lives and kept trying to drive a wedge between them and turn them against each other pre-season 5

@noahhager1187

4 жыл бұрын

yes but on the other hand all other dictators in cartoon who may or may not have commited genocide do deserve a redemption arc.We are measuring their actions by how they affect our main characters not how they affect the world as a whole. I mean that without her adopting adora who betrayed her the series would have never happend and the rebellion would be crushed. You cannot fault someone for their ambition or their wants

@albedo7231

4 жыл бұрын

By sacrificing herself, she manipulated catra and adora for one last time. It is perfectly in-character for her.

@bobby-

4 жыл бұрын

People can change. Yes it is true that she wasn’t the best but if he didn’t help catra and adora at the end the world wouldn’t have been saved. She has changed much throughout the series

@beausheffield1895

3 жыл бұрын

khan de prado that makes no sense. Shadow Weaver did care for Adora and cared somewhat for Catra. I think that that’s clearly shown throughout the show and indeed their safety and that of etheria was what motivated her to sacrifice herself. She’s the type of character who ultimately believes that the ends justifies the means.

you simply must talk aboout Catra!!! Shadow Weaver is an ambiguous character: the moment she sacrificed herself, she understood that she had become an empty shell, that after her accident, the search for power led her to be consumed by it, and I think she was serious when in the second season said she saw herself in Catra, they both want power and are willing to do anything to get what they want. Except that Catra understood what she really wanted, but Shadow Weaver did not ... so in my opinion when she told our kitten that she was proud of her, she was saying it seriously, that is "I am proud that you did not let yourself be consumed so deeply to become an empty shell, don't be like me. " She hated Catra mainly because in her heart she regretted what had happened to her, what she became and vented her on Catra, the person closest to what she once was.

The way I see it, the Spell of Obtainment corrupted her intentions no matter what they were, even if they were pure, like her motherly instincts towards Adora.

what interests me here is whether the spell of obtainement would have worked if Micah had not abandoned the plot. I like the fact that Light Spinner was a pragmatic person who did not seek to gain power for herself but to protect others from the Horde.

@Sol-Amar

2 жыл бұрын

I wonder how the spell of obtainment would've turned out too. However, it was a magical parasite, and parasites need hosts (it just happened to be Light Spinner after Micha got away. And was it reaching for Micah first because his inherent magical nature was more potent than Light Spinner's?) But like you said, "what if?" I think Light Spinner always wanted more power (albeit she hid it well at first). To me, the Horde invasion was an excuse she used to get that power (although I do feel she cared for Etheria as well). And she lightly touched on her hardships coming into her own to Catra when she was in a prison cell at the Horde. But she manipulated a child, played favorites, would berate Micah for his natural talent, and joined the horde out of spite (after killing her first "boss"). And I do think the guild at Mystacor and the rest of Etheria had serious socio-political issues even before the Horde came. I like her character outside of the issues and abuse she inflicted. Not debating just having dialogue.

This is a great video, but I wouldn't call Shadow Weaver redeemed. I felt she should've been held accountable for the abuse she put Cstra and Adore through.

@TiagoyMar1000

3 жыл бұрын

Unfortunately in this world abuse doesn’t really mean what it means here. In their world, it was just a consequence of war. So “acccountability” isn’t really a thing

This is the nicest video ever about Shadow Weaver!😀

Honestly, as fascinating as shadow weaver was, she didn’t deserve a redemption. I never wanted her to have a redemption. One of the things that I really appreciated about this show was the message that you don’t have to forgive your abusers, and the differences they showed between “parent who might be annoying but overall is a decent parent” and “abuser”. So often, abusive parents in fiction are often redeemed and even “justified” because “they were trying their best”. Maybe this is just me because I had to work for years to bring myself to a point where I could be mad and stop desperately wanting a relationship with certain people, but.. The message that you should always forgive your abusers is just not a good message.

I’mma be real honest: I feel like this video doesn’t cover her abusive tendencies towards Catra enough. For the first few seasons, Shadow Weaver was physically and emotionally abusive to Catra’s character. I wouldn’t call her sacrifice redemptive because I think she’s past the point of no return tbh. Her relationship with adora and her relationship with glimmer both felt manipulative and fueled by envy. Out of all of the villains in the show (except for horde prime), she is the least redeemable and I feel like that’s important to her character.

@CritAlps

3 жыл бұрын

TrellyV Okay, but I’m referring to the part of the video where it’s said that shadow Weaver was redeemed. Abusers are not redeemable. Her symbolism and history are both really neat, but that doesn’t make her redeemed lol

Shadow Weaver was one of the best villains and I love her only as a villain

the points mentioned here about the mask hiding her failure are even better when you notice that she takes off and drops the mask just before death, accepting that those failures made her into what she is now, even if it is hideous

I dont think she was redeemed by her death, just one of those "for once in your life you did the right thing" moments. I mean she didn't really deserve to be redeemed in my opinion.

@Mediados

3 жыл бұрын

Why not though? Her intentions were not bad, she only turned on the sorcerers when they ruined her life.

@lilybirdflowergum8683

2 жыл бұрын

@@Mediados Keep in mind the saying, “The road to hell is paved with good intentions.”

@lilybirdflowergum8683

2 жыл бұрын

@@Mediados The second half of that saying is, “The road to heaven is paved with good actions.” Although SW has good intentions, it doesn’t make her a good person.

@Mediados

2 жыл бұрын

@@lilybirdflowergum8683 True, but she isn't inherently evil. She became this way by unfortunate circumstances and misunderstandings. She isn't the irredeemable monster that the She-Ra crew see her as.

@wolffianduck

2 жыл бұрын

@@Mediados the sorcerers didn't do sh*t tho? Shadowweaver ruined her own life by endangering and manipulating a child into casting a dangerous potentially fatal spell. Besides she was always in it for the power. "Saving Etheria" was the lie she tried to use to convince the sorcerers and later manipulate Micah into casting the spell of obtainment. If she cared about saving Etheria, why didn't she go to any of the princesses to offer help against the horde after being kicked out by the sorcerers? Actually, she didn't even need to help anyone as doing LITERALLY NOTHING would've been better than helping the horde destroy Etheria 😂

Cover Scorpia or Entrapa or Hordak!

I hated that they always had to complain about Shadow Weaver, even though she had proven her loyalty tenfold.

Shadow Weaver wore her mask kinda like Catra wore hers. To hide who they were by who they wanted to be. Also I think Shadow Weavers sacrifice may have stemmed from Adora telling her that she ruins everything and every chance anyone could be happy. I think she knew that Catra and Adora loved each other and when she sacrifices herself to save them its her way of saying that she is no longer there to ruin things for people. She tells Catra "Its too late for me but for you, its only the beginning for you" I think she knew that 1. she could never be fully redeemed and 2. that Catra and Adora were going to have a future together. Shadow Weaver also goes on to take off her mask and say "your welcome" and a lot of people perceived that as her saying your welcome for abusing them but I think that it is her saying your welcome as in I am doing you a favor and getting out of the way. I am giving you two the chance to be happy without me there to ruin it. She seems to show genuine emotion during her sacrifice. Telling Catra to run with Adora, crying when shes telling Catra to listen to her and that she can go no further, she genuinely seems to be happy and proud when she tells Catra that she is so proud of her, and she seems to be happy while saying your welcome before dropping her mask and sending the final blow which ends in her death. She's come so far from when we see her in S1. She's learned to kinda accept the failure of the obtainment spell by stating that she is paying the price and she learned to accept the fact that she does ruin any chance for people to be happy. I love her character to me shes so well written and I think that what she did to Catra and Adora while they were growing up played a big role in there characters not only in a way of trauma but there personalities and how they act together and apart.

Shadow weaver died doing what she loved... Emotionally scaring Catra

I personally don't think it was a redemption. She said 'you're welcome' at the end, which is what makes her sacrifice a little more selfish than anything. While she also loves Adora and Catra, she's still abusive, and even when she puts their life above her power, she makes her motives ambiguous on purpose. I think her dying arguably makes it harder for Adora and Catra to move on from her.

My favorite part of shadow waver was the fact that she _wasn't_ redeemed. At least, she didn't get to walk away and live sunshine and rainbows. She was a selfish cruel parent who's abusive fucked up both Adora And Catra. Her last moments are her best, because she doesn't necessarily change from who she is. Plus she dies and that's sweet, adios bad parents.

Please do a video on Mermista & Scorpia, They are my two favorite princesses/characters on the show.

I'm glad you made this video to cover her character after her sacrifice. Many say that she's still selfish, manipulative, or distrustful when she didn't get anything in the end. Ironic isn't it.

Me sees the notification:oh....OH I think this video is awsome btw

Being completely honest, Shadow Weaver's death was the only thing that made me cry in the entire show. There were emotional things and Shadow Weaver wasn't my favorite character or anything, but they did it so well with her wording and the sound design in general.

Oooo😮 I thought you wouldn’t make one based on She-Ra. I can’t wait for Catra🤩 P.S. Will you do a video about Steven Universe as Character?

She-ra was soooo good. I finished it last night and I need another season

ok, but we never got an explanation for why she was so cruel to Catra. I feel like her explanation while imprisoned was a lie to manipulate Catta into letting her escape. She showed clear distain for her up to her final sacrifice. Even trying to push Adora away from her. I feel like her final sacrifice was still selfish and manipulative. She made a big show of saving Catra and including her right then (and only then) because she finally saw Catra as not dead weight to Adora, but probably the only person that could save her. So she gave Catra affirmation, only to give her the confidence she needed to save Adora. It was still about Adora. While it was a big step for her to realize she wasn't the one Adora needed, and that Catra was. She still didn't really make any attempts to mend all she did to Catra.

She really was my favourite character.

I’d love to see Angella covered, I feel like she was mostly a foil for Glimmer and I want to see how her OG character compares.

Great video, I loved Shadow Weaver, but PLEASE invest in some type of noise reduction for wherever you record your videos. The echo is really bad and it would sound so much better if you got some noise reduction foam panels for your room.

I don't think she was redeemed in-show. She gave her life, but it cannot make it up. It was her last smug, selfish moment.

They had a redemption? I wouldn't call her death a redemption (unless you mean her joining the rebellion, which no, she joins purely for herself and trains glimmer purely to control her power, just like with her father and continues to mess with and abuse adora and catra). Maybe a realisation that adora needed catra to access she-ra and had only one option left, if she survived then maybe she would have had a redemption but really she wasn't a good person when she died (unlike characters like vader), as shown by her last words, it's still about her and honestly I think her kind words to catra were just one last manipulation to get her to unlock she-ra.

Shadow weaver’s “redemption arc” was bs. It was kinda like, “oh, here’s a chance to save adora and catra, and while I’m at it, I’ll traumatize them one last time.”

OG Shadow Weaver be lookin like OG Orko

I believe you went through the character beautifully and you showed her entire story.

She-ra sacrifices: Catra: "Adora! I'm sorry! For everything!" Angela: "Take care of each other." ... Shadow Weaver: "YoU'rE wELcOmE"

I read Shadow Weaver as someone who had always wanted to protect Etheria, and what made her a villain was her belief that any atrocity committed to that end was acceptable. This included convincing Glimmer to use Etheria's core as a weapon, a decision that caused a break in Glimmer's relationship with Bow which took them a few episodes to heal. Shadow Weaver's last words to Adora and Catra were "You're welcome," not "I'm sorry." This makes me think that she didn't regret mistreating or misleading them, which makes me wonder if sacrificing herself was truly an act of redemption, or did she simply accomplish her goal, which happened to be the same as the good guys. Her decision to take in baby Adora in seems to suggest that she knew more about Etheria's history and nature, and what lay beyond, than she let on. Had she known about threat of Hord Prime before anyone else? Finally, I do wonder about how, even as Light Spinner, she had always worn a mask. Had she been deformed even before performing the dark ritual on herself?

Don’t get me started my favourite redemption arc is the wasted potential one for azula

Hey Nerdwire, as a big fan I would love it if you guys could enable closed captions or something along those lines! I’ve got a bit of audio processing problems, and I’m sure any deaf or hard of hearing fans would love to be able to enjoy your videos as well!

Shadowweaver: Must. TEACH.

The creator said she was not redeemed she killed herself to avoid change and instead took the easy route to solve everyone’s problems

After countless years (maybe decades) of psychologically, verbally and physically abusing Horde cadets.... her face literally hanging by a thread... never showing an ounce of compassion that wasn’t drenched in manipulation for gaining power... .. She basically says “Ah f*ck it. I’ve had enough. Let’s give these girls one more traumatic memory”. And took the easy way out. As opposed to facing retribution for her crimes. I got zero sympathy. Sidenote: there was no redemption at the end. She wasn’t sorry for anything.

Only thing I have about the ending is that Adora and Catra’s just suddenly so happy and completely forgot about Shadow Weaver. Where in fact they were greatly emotionally impacted when she sacrifice. And the fact that no one else (even Micha) ever bothers to ask about her is also frustrating for me.

One of the few things that Shadow Weaver did that didn’t really seem to give her any gain was sparing Micah. Sparing him without harming a hair on his head is probably one of the kindest things Shadow Weaver had ever done without any sort of manipulation or expectation on her end. And that was right after he “betrayed” her. She even had a soft tone when she realized Micah was alive. I think that she really did care for him. Although her “love” isn’t exactly one I would die for. It’s really saying something when one of her kindest moments was moments before she joined the Horde and started her chain of abuse with Catra and Adora.

The host: until she went dark mode Me: you mean angst mode

Within minutes of her appearance, my friends asked me if she was the Snape of the show. And yeah, that basically sums it up.

Please do more She-ra Princesses of Power Explained Videos! :)

Also what redemption? She traumatized an innocent Catra!

I know we got a Shadow weaver backstory in the lightspinner episode but I wanted an episode on Lightspinners Childhood tbh

@Sol-Amar

2 жыл бұрын

Right.

Unpopular opinion: I'm sorry but I like Shadow weaber, yes I know she abused Adora and Catra but I have two reasons on why I like her. 1: I really like her design better than in the original series, 2: I love her voice better than the original voice she had. Thanks for reading :D, I hope you guys are not mad at me.

@dinofanx5460

4 жыл бұрын

Nah, she's my favorite character. You can like a character without condoning their actions or excusing their flawed behavior

shadow weaver is one of my favorite characters

Scorpia’s family did not hand over the black garnet the horde told Scorpia this but that’s not what actually happened at 3:56 when you literally said “when the horde invaded“ there is a clip of what the horde ACTUALLY DID to get the black garnet that’s not “handing over” they lost a battle

Don't think I've ever been this early

i still like her redeeming more than catra's

I thought I was alone in having sympathy for Shadow Weaver and appreciation for her redemption.

If you feel like she redeemed herself, I get it. I feel like she was just too late. She was so abusive to Catra that her sacrifice at the end felt like the minimum amount she owed. I get her past was very twisted and that she wasn't 100% evil, but those feel more like excuses for her abusive behavior.

watching this after finishing the series for the first time and i don't think i'm ever going to be over her character arc it was so masterfully done

Cool vid! Can't wait for Catra~!

Everyone at the end: omg yay we won! Everyone’s ok! Shadow weaver: 👁👄👁

Bow is my absolute favorite. Shadow Weaver is my second.

@Leomoon101

4 жыл бұрын

Same here, I love Bow.

@shadowslime3640

3 жыл бұрын

Bow puts the bo in himbo

I dont think she sacrificed herself, I think she found a way to get rid of her problems, while still having an influence (she abused and manipulated Catra and Adora for years and the 'sacrifice' was a way for them to remember her as a hero, despite what she did) and her problems would have been the fact that she would have had to pay for her actions after the war was over

Anyone else want to hug shadow weaver and call her mother?

PLEASE do more She-Ra symbolism!!! Personally I'd love to hear your thoughts on Hordak!

MUST MENTOR SOMEONE!! That made me laugh so hard lol lol lol

i like the bat wing sleeves on the original design. but the updated is my more favorable design.

I love ya Whitney! I really enjoyed Shadow Weaver’s growth and story! What a badass!

Great video and do a video on catra redemption act and a video on Adora and catra relationship

She is the She-ra equivalent of Snape.

@fredjones2170

3 жыл бұрын

You could say that: an abuser who failed to achieve what she longed for, took out her frustration and self-loathing by tormenting literal children, and got way too much credit for doing one good thing in her life. Credit to Noelle Stevenson, though, for never actually redeeming her, and CERTAINLY not having her victims praise her postmortem.

2:36 I just want to talk about this shot.

@Green.Star_ks

3 жыл бұрын

The cage had a spell casted in it, so even if she could crawl out, I don’t think she would be able to

Nerdwire: **mentions Garnet** Me, still not over Steven Universe's ending: GO AHEAD AND TRY AND HIT ME IF YOU'RE ABLE. CAN'T YOU SEE THAT MY RELATIONSHIP IS STABLE?

Can you please cover the king of mind control and the leader of the virgin army, horde prime?

2:35 I- how does this cage keep her trapped😂

great video

Ok so be real, should I put my time into watching this whole show? It looks awesome but I don’t want to get into another Star vs the forces of evil.

@zoesmith1896

4 жыл бұрын

You should totally watch it It's a bit slow the first season but each one gets better and better

@dianalopez130

4 жыл бұрын

Definitely! Each season is packed with amazing storybuilding and the end was heartwarming and ties up a lot of lose ends

@br12_

4 жыл бұрын

Yes it’s amazing

@egg_bun_

4 жыл бұрын

What's wrong with Star? Never seen it

@mayahawkestan

4 жыл бұрын

Jokes on you they have gay charaters

She died doing her favorite things; magic and emotionally scaring her kids

she used to spin but now she weave