Always used to think of MMT as like a greatest hits comp from their greatest period. It's slightly less complicated than Pepper, but it feels more magical.

@johnheaton5667

6 жыл бұрын

Yes it is a good debate...I think Pepper is more cohesive but MMT certainly has its magic moments (and is the best contribution to the Beatles catalogue from Capitol)

"Walrus" is a few simple chords? Check out Howard Goodall. If I remember correctly, he identifies 9 chords in the intro alone.

I always felt Pepper and MMT had a similar relationship as Rubber Soul and Revolver.

@prettyshinyspaghetti8332

3 жыл бұрын

That's a great comparison. They are kind of a Vol 1 and Vol 2 as George said of Rubber Soul and Revolver

@paytonjeremias8738

3 жыл бұрын

i guess I am quite randomly asking but does anyone know of a good site to stream new tv shows online?

@zakaihenry4797

3 жыл бұрын

@Payton Jeremias i use FlixZone. You can find it by googling =)

@estebanterrance5023

3 жыл бұрын

@Zakai Henry yea, I have been using FlixZone for years myself :)

@paytonjeremias8738

3 жыл бұрын

@Zakai Henry thanks, I went there and it seems like they got a lot of movies there :) I really appreciate it!

I love my Magical Mystery Tour ep, I certainly haven’t forgot it!

Magical Mystery Tour all day. Also their best opener song for me!

I'm the walrus just a few chords? How wrong can you be! It has some 10 different chords, but apart from that, it's one of Lennon's most intricate compositions. There is a continuous change of harmony against a primarily unchanging melody (around e). There is an amazing flattened fifth progression of F against B major. The intro alone is a descending progression of major triads B, A, G, F, E, D7...

@johnheaton5667

4 жыл бұрын

Hans Friederichs happy to be corrected...you’re right of course

@johnmc3862

2 жыл бұрын

Absolutely, the chord sequence in that song is a nightmare.

One thing to consider is that Penny Lane and Strawberry Fiields were going to be on Pepper but eventually George Martin and the band conceded to label pressure to get both songs out as a double A side single. As great as Sgt Pepper is, imagine if the band withheld those two songs to be album tracks on Pepper.

Firstly John thank you for bringing this into discussion. Capital got it sooooo right in creating MMT as an album, one of those rare insights that reflected the Beatles67 dominance and as you rightly say it was more of a compilation of sorts at the time but the strength and substance of the songs made it an album pure and simple, it immediately spoke for itself and the result was fantastic. Pepper was my first album & Beatles album buy at its time of release and living in Hong Kong with exposure to the U.S market releases MMT the album swiftly followed as my second album buy. (The 3rd was Disraeli Gears which was a gift from my GM who was born in 1889- how about that!) Pepper was my first love though but MMT had more boldness and in its way was as diverse as Pepper but as the years rolled by I began to conceive personally Pepper/MMT as a double album which when you look back on 67 and that years work it begins to make sense as a double. And whenever overtime I was in that Beatles67 mood I would play both albums on random in the CD days. I'm still surprised that Apple haven't switched on to the fact that they could release particular years of Beatles work and filter and sift out the not so good tracks and each album cover could reflect that time period as well. Say 65/66 in a artwork mix of Help, Rubber Soul,Revolver and Beatles67 in Pepper/MMT font and so on. Beatles 62-65 / Beatles 65-66 / Beatles 67/ Beatles 68/ Beatles 69 And that brings me back to 67, surely their most creative year as a band truly working together and the very fact that Pepper did not have one track released as a single not only reflected their confidence but their sheer depth of creative professionalism. They really were the real deal😎👍

@vladdrakul7851

3 жыл бұрын

I did exactly that 2 weeks ago.Took the best 111 tracks, left behind the tired and overrated and went for songs I have loved and listened to the most since the originals came out that I heard as they did. So no She loves you, no Yellow Submarine, no All you need is love not even Hey Jude which is actually a good song except for the awful overlong ending and eternal overexposure that killed it for me. Just the best individual songs in order of their creation and divided into 3 parts. 'The Pop Band' 1962 to 1965. 'The Psychedelic Band' era 1966 to 1967 and then 'The Rock Band' 1968 to 1970- Interestingly each segment came to almost the same length. App 1 hour and 50 minutes!

@steveoshow4832

3 жыл бұрын

Vlad Drakul like your take on that approach too. Yes there were duff tracks even on the best albums imo Maxwells SH (which John George & Ringo loathed, how it got on the album.. since everything went by the band vote still eludes me) Revolution #9 and so on. I still believe too that a Beatles solo album, covering the best of their Solo 70s tracks would make a very viable album complication and calling it 4 😎👍

@vladdrakul7851

3 жыл бұрын

@@steveoshow4832 I did that too. I called it The Black Album. A double of all the very best solo Beatles songs on one double. The first half being 1970 to 1972. The other 1973 to 1980- Which shows I suppose the rapid decline in quality as a whole as the 70's went on. It also showed that Harrison's golden era was very short. (Ending with the very good 'Living in the Material World' LP. Ringo gets two songs one per half. That Johns works dominated the earlier stuff while Paul was the only one who did not decline as much as the others, though at the start of the decade he was in third place by the end at first. I say that as Lennon fan. Indeed Yoko improved he most. From unlistenably utterly awful to the most of the better tracks on Double Fantasy (No I don't include her but her songs have an angry strong New wave honest emotional bite to them that John had always had. His songs in DF sound like McCartney songs in bad way. Too pretty, soft and whiny. Only 'I'm losing you' being really powerful old school John at his best. 'Beautiful Boy' and 'Watching the wheels' are not bad but that's it.) IMHO!!

@steveoshow4832

3 жыл бұрын

Vlad Drakul great to have a Beatles dialogue! I totally agree GH's album quality slipped after LITMW, but returned imo with his finest album GH in 79 which I still play from time to time. ATMP was such a colossus of an album and yet I think it was rather overrated. Evidently Paul & John at the time were quite shell shocked by its global success, especially compared to John's POB album which really struggled. Pauls Mc album was a bigger success and still remains one of his top 5 albums in sales. ATMP outsold both and I believe it remains the biggest selling solo Beatles album still with DF not far behind. If they were made into a double album I would do it 70-73/ 74-80. I read a really interesting book some years ago on the financial empire of the band and the subsequent Apple Corps and it made fascinating reading (can't remember the title) one chapter always resonated with me that although understandably there was a sibling rivalry of sorts especially between John & Paul, they all were very interested and focussed financially in the total Apple sales output outside of the royalties because collectively they made more as the company and the sales of Apple records especially 70-73 were matching some of the previous Beatles output. On a finicky note I always address The Beatles output 62-69. Paul George & Ringo only returned to Abbey Rd in early Jan 70 to finesse George's I Me Mine. Abbey Road the album was completed in Aug 69 and of course LIB recorded early 69. John never shared a studio again with PGR.... The dream was over indeed...... I always find it ironic as well that given the negative press that Klein received over the years much was true I'm sure but that he was responsible for one of their biggest selling albums..... He compiled the 73 Red & Blue albums and the Blue album remains the bands second biggest selling album in the U.S! Also if you look at the track listing there are only a few McCartney tracks....such was his view on Paul and of course the feelings were mutual. With the band I guess I was always the John fan, with the solo years the Paul fan (his 70-73 output his finest imo). I'm Losing You I agree was John's stand out track on DF plus Woman has really evolved over the years somehow. And now with the Millennium/streaming Gen they too are having their say with George's HCTS & WMGGW in the top 10 of Beatles tracks (512 million streams of HCTS! with LIB trailing at 295 million!) In My Life, Come Together, Twist & Shout, Hey Jude, Yesterday, Help in there too as I recall. Perhaps if John H reads this he will look into streaming side of the band and see how differently they are perceived now. Someone aged fifty now would not have one memory of The Beatles in the Sixties so you could start there! 😎👍

@vladdrakul7851

3 жыл бұрын

​@@steveoshow4832 Well my son is my touchstone (20) with the younger lot and he grew up with all the modern music of his friends, mostly rap and with listening as a child to a lot of Depeche Mode, Beatles, Sparks,s and later Doors and Led Zeppelin. As for Sean he just told me days ago how the Beatles are the best. He loves a lot of the underrated early stuff as I do and as we with me only listens up to the White Album finding their 1969 stuff tired compared to all this other better stuff going on. (IMHO) I mean THE band broke up and John moved t the US where the scene now was. Zeppelin became much bigger in the US than anywhere else. And rightly so. My son and his friends immediately dug the Doors which is perfect because towards the end of his life (70) when asked what he thought the future for music was he said. Electronic rhythms with poetry on top! Another interesting circle is that Jim's two best drinking buddies as musicians were Pig Pen of he Grateful Dead and Janis Joplin. There are a couple of excellent Janis Pig Pen Jams on U tube also with Dwayne Allman a guitar Player Jimi dug. Now get this. The Dead were the ones who sent the LSD to the Beatles and Pink Floyd in dec 1965. 'Dr Robert' being Owsley 'Bear' Stanley, LSD chemist guru and the Dead's 'Sound engineer' and later manager of Blue Cheer' one of the proto metal bands. 'He's a new and better man, he helps your to understand, he does everything he can, Dr Robert'. Also 'she said she said' is about Peter Fonda later of Easy Rider who had also come to England etc and the song is about his telling the Beatles of his tripping experience of dying. Again it will be Paul McCartney who checking out Jimi Hendrix in NYC mid 66 tells the bassist of the animals, Chas Chandler to go pick Jimi up, be his manager and get him a record deal and a career. Without the Dead, no Haight Ashbury. No free concerts weekly in the Parks for free with many other things free; Jerry Garcia convinced Sly Stone to form a band, helped the Airplane get together and invited the Doors from LA or come to San Francisco, and helped Santana as well. This is the true counter culture and my favorite music. Lastly Led Zeppelin had absorbed all this. Plant and Bonham having already played together in a hippy band called 'Band of Joy' playing Airplane and Dead stuff. Page was a hard Blues rock guy and then JPJ the multi musician. A perfect band with the best drummer. Zeppelin I is really a last New Yardbirds LP, often using older songs from that bands late era or ripping other's songs off and re arranging them to be better. Really Led Zeppelins first Lp as true band with the four pieces all contributing is II. Most of the classic melodies being Plant. No wonder Page always wanted to play with Plant once he got to know and work with him.. Page is a genius guitarist, producer and arranger but lacks the the original melody lyric thing Robert has. Just like John and Paul, better together with the best Rhythm section possible and Jazz skills. For me this era was the golden age and rocks peak. By 1977 I was a punk. 'Something better change' The Stranglers who loved the Doors my first punk band and before the Pistols. Also Television.Talking Heads, Pil, Psychedelic Furs, Siouxsie and the Banshees. Still at the same time we had Parliament Funkadelic, Neil Young, Pink Floyd and the Dead still doing their very best work as Zep and Sabbath were burned out by 75 though sadly soon enough Floyd and the Dead would also decline in the 80's.

comparing the two at the outset seems a strange thing being that Sgt. P was a genuine LP whereas MMT was manufactured for US marketing, a great packaging though it was. In the UK my recollection is that they issued an EP of the film tracks. And side two ironically cobbled together from singles and outtakes includes Strawberry Fields and Penny Lane originally intended for the album that became Sgt Pepper before they were released as a single. I do not agree that Sgt Pepper has been overpraised. That would be impossible. If anything, it has grown to be taken for granted. It was personally the first album I ever bought at the age of 12. That was in 1972, and though I was raised on the Beatles I got the songs filtered through my older brother who was sometimes away at school so I missed Pepper in 67 and did not cheer until I bought it myself. I had looked at it in the record store for months on end, so intrigued by the cover that looked to me like the gathering at a funeral and with the Beatles waxworks alongside the Beatles in the Sgt Pepper outfits I thought it symbolized the death of the old Beatles and the rebirth as something new and it sounded the same to my ears. I bought it on my birthday and was stunned when I sat down and listened to it for the first time. I'd never heard anything like it. This was five years after its release and the music industry had half a decade to absorb and reflect its influence and it still sounded heads above anything that had come after it. MMT sounds as one might expect a little weary by comparison. I love MMT for what it is but it just doesn't begin to approach Sgt Pepper for so many obvious reasons. What is amazing is that having worked so long and hard on Sgt Pepper the Beatles were able to continue and produce something else without taking a breath. And following close on the heels were Lady Madonna and Hey Bulldog, both produced shortly after and just before leaving for India. But on the whole comparing the two in any serious way just makes no sense. It would be like comparing the Hey Jude Album and Abbey Road. One is cobbled together by the record label and one was recorded by the band for the express purpose of an LP issue. I don't know what Keith Richards said about Pepper but I couldn't believe how rough Their Satanic Majesties Request sounded and how sloppy it was as a production compared to Sgt Pepper. There are the two should have compared. Keith Richard would do well to button his lip and hope people somehow failed to notice that the Rolling Stones album was an embarrassing knockoff. Finally, while Baby You're A Rich Man spoken of in terms of MMT is meaningless since was nor recorded expressly for the album, I agree about what a great song it is. It is one of my all-time favorite Beatle songs that often gets overlooked among the riches of their catalog. You also so right about MMT being Capitol's greatest contribution to Beatles history. It was all other considerations aside brilliant packing from beginning to end and a big consolation to us poor Americans that did not get to see the film back in the day. I used to poor over the illustrated story and picks from the film included in the gatefold and become filled with wonder and intrigue about what I was missing. And once again you are right. It doesn't sound like a compilation at all. And listening to it as a child without the backstory I didn't know it was. It's one of the reasons I still find it hard to except that Strawberry Fields and Penny Lane actually preceded Pepper. They are so cemented in my mind as being part of MMT and the identity of that album.

Hi John .. another great topic and review ... for me both albums are masterpieces and both have classic tracks , I love them both so can't pick a favourite, just glad we have them to listen to and enjoy.....thanks ... Alan.

@johnheaton5667

7 жыл бұрын

Agree Alan. I just thought it would be an interesting discussion point. Thanks!

These could have been their first double album before the white album, I agree about Within You m, it’s my go to track from Pepper years later. Would love a Mystery Tour remix.

Since I was a kid I loved MMT so much. Every song is above genius with melodies sublime. Mozart would be challenged I am sure. Thanks for talking about this album as it seams people down vote it because it isn't a full studio endeavor such as a cohesive project. Nevertheless the listening experience is glorious as usual.

Tragical History Tour has SFF & IAMTW plus BJW. Great Album. I've always had a soft spot for YMSK.

''I Am The Walrus'' is not a simple song with just a few chords John. It actually has 16 chords with 8 in the intro alone. It is a stunning composition and even has 'Shepard' tones in the outro which has never been done before to my knowledge.

Hey john, yeah i think we're very much on the same page here. What you said about the backing vocals on "With a little help from my friends" is spot on. To me giles really turned up john, paul and george at the very end of the song and man it sounds so good. I'm with you on "within you without you". I hated that song years ago but i'm much older now and do love it. And as you said i to so much more today appreciate "She's Leaving Home". Brilliant. I don't know why "Baby your a rich man" don't get played more here you know, it's such a great song. So anyway i love both albums and hope they do something to celebrate the 50th for M M T. Excellent review.

@johnheaton5667

7 жыл бұрын

Yeah it's not that often that remixes give us something tangibly extra but this one for sure! Thanks Kregg.

Some people seem to think walrus was a new song on mmt. It wasnt. It was the b side of hello goodbye.

Give me the Magical Mystery Tour EP over the Sgt Pepper Album,any day of the week,in mono of course

The dynamic of "Within You Without You" was really lifted on the "Love" album when the Martin's mixed in the "Tomorrow Never Knows" drumming.... if only there had only been similar drumming on the original album, it would have been a great side 2 opener...………….but maybe George wouldn't have approved.

The one good thing that Capitol records did was create the album (lp) version of Magical Mystery Tour.

With the reissue of Pepper this year MMT seems to be a forgotten record. IMHO its just as worthy of treatment similar of that given to Pepper. I've always liked the album more than Pepper. Pepper does seems to over-shadow MMT mainly because of the lore rather than musical merit.

@johnheaton5667

7 жыл бұрын

It's funny how critics judge such things. I think you're right in that MMT deserves more attention!

@MIB_63

4 жыл бұрын

MMT was not intended as a proper Beatles album. It consists of a double EP and 3 singles from 1967 and was compiled by Capitol Records for the US market. I believe this is why we will not see a box set with outtakes etc

@vladdrakul7851

3 жыл бұрын

Sorry Pepper may not be the strongest selection of hits but it is the most cohesive album they made and rightly praised as their masterpiece which it is. I agree with Johns opinion here. Later generations don't get it. Everyone who matters at the time got it. I love the whole LP even as a kid. Magical Mystery Tour is a great LP however. one of my top 5 Beatles LP. So we are talking about a fantastic LP as well. Pepper is their peak. My favorite 5 (Sgt Pepper, White Album. Rubber Soul, Magical Mystery Tour and 'With the Beatles' (their most underrated LP and the best of the pre RS 'early' albums pure flow magic ) at 5 and Revolver at 6). IMHO!

Hi John, love the video, I have only just subscribed to you after watching the top 20, so a few vids to watch. I prefer Mystery Tour but only because I got a bit bored with Pepper (over familiar). However, I am the Walrus is such a strong track. Having recently bought the new Miles mix of Pepper I have gone back to Pepper again but I will probably over play it and go back to Mystery Tour. I recently subscribed to the D’Agostini Beatles albums and revisited Rubber Soul and Revolver which for me are the Beatles more ground breaking albums. Now to, find them in mono! Best Jon

@johnheaton5667

6 жыл бұрын

Jon Pickles thanks Jon sorry for the late reply!

Enjoyed the video. Magical Mystery Tour is a fine album, and new collectors could do a lot worse than start off with it. I was never a fan of Blue Jay Way, but am more than happy to play Within You Without You on Pepper. The albums compare well, although the sequencing of tracks works better on Pepper.

I enjoyed that - My favourite two albums of all time. Actually, now I come to think of it, there's no Ringo song on the 'A Hard Day's Night' Album either.

@graniterhythm53

4 жыл бұрын

..... or Let It Be!

Fool on the Hill, I'm the Walrus, Strawberry Fields Forever, Penny Lane and All You Need Is Love on the same album. Magical Mystery Tour is one of my favorite Beatles Albums along with Sgt. Pebber, Revolver, The White Album and Let it Be. I never knew that was an compilation until recently, but I always wondered why it had no Ringo track.

Pepper is superior imo. MMT is a compilation , Strawberry fields and Penny Lane were recorded in December 66 as the first songs of the pepper sessions. Of the original MMT songs ( on the EP) Fool on the Hill and I am the Walrus are top notch but Flying and Blue Jay Way are filler and your mother should know , although charming , is not classic Paul. Pepper contains A day in the life , arguably their masterpiece , certainly one of their very best songs and Pepper is one of the most influential albums ever . Some great songs on MMT , the double A side Strawberry Fields/ Penny Lane is the perfect single one of John and Pauls best songs each. Because Pepper was a concept and MMT a compilation / film soundtrack Pepper shades it for me.

John, first time I've listened to one of your reviews. Nice work. When I first listened to both many years ago I always preferred Pepper over MMT. Pepper was an album, MMT was a compilation. Great songs on MMT, Pepper was a great "whole" album. Probably today I would say more great songs on MMT, but after having just listened to Pepper re-release its just brilliant. Strawberry Fields and Penny Lane could have been a part of Pepper after all. I think your point that they put more effort into Pepper than into the original songs on MMT is your best point. Thanks for the review, will listen to other reviews.

@johnheaton5667

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks Tony

The Pepper sleeve wins hands down. The tune to When I'm 64 was old but Paul (and John) wrote the words in 67. Personally I prefer Magical Mystery tour.

Good video John - "Sgt Pepper" remains as my all time favorite album, but "Mystery Tour" holds a special spot, because it's the first LP that I ever bought for myself, the original copy that I bought was on Apple - wish I still had it.. I have no plans to purchase the new re-mix, otherwise I literally agree with everyone of your points - we seem to have grown up reading the same books, Carr & Tyler, the Gambaccini (sp?) book, etc...looks as if you have a very nice back yard there.

@johnheaton5667

7 жыл бұрын

Thanks Thomas as always! Yes all those books were great weren't they? :- )

It was quite a bit of time before I realised that Magical Mystery tour was oringally an ep in the UK. My reasoning was because I felt they all felt so great on one album.

It's a bit like comparing an album to an EP

In 1976 I bought the MMT EP but foolishly sold it some years later , wish I still had it....

Both the albums are great.

Magical Mystery Tour has always been my favourite Beatles album. I had the vinyl album in 1995, I had no idea it was formerly an E.P.

@johnheaton5667

7 жыл бұрын

Yeah a double EP originally which I forgot to mention. 2 discs with 3 songs each. I have that double EP which I forgot to show! Cheers!

Hey John that Pepper pic disc is a beaut, ok I've been on the fence with the new SgtP. But I trust your comments so I need to get that, plus mine from when I was a teenager is not in the best shape (sad), boy this is quite a task you have given yourself.//I love baby your a rich man//MMT is not one I go to often, I guess I looked at it as novel back in the day and I never thought much about it one way or another.. I would have to give Pepper the edge song for song. Thanks John nicely done-- Lis

@johnheaton5667

7 жыл бұрын

Thanks Lis, as always!

If we are talking about the US Magical Mystery Tour LP, which may be "cheating" as some commenters have pointed out, even vehemently, by my ears it clearly exceeds Sgt. Pepper. From Sgt. Pepper my favorites are the title track, the reprieve and A Day in the Life, plus Within You Without You. On the US Magical Mystery Tour LP, Fool on the Hill, Flying, I Am the Walrus, Strawberry Fields Forever, Penny Lane, Baby You're A Rich Man, All You Need Is Love. Also worth noting that It's All Too Much was first recorded in May-June 1967, a few months before Hello, Goodbye/I Am the Walrus, but not released until 1969, and personally I include it among the top Beatles songs of the 1966-1967 period.

I have to admit that the Capitol album is convenient in that you get all of the singles and B sides along with Magical Mystery Tour on one album.

Id like to see a review of past masters 1&2 stereo vs mono

Mystery tour hands down.

Mmt is an EP Pepper is an album

@rudolphguarnacci197

4 жыл бұрын

How can he compare an EP to an LP. I call bullshit

Because I first got into the Beatles as a 13 year old back in 1976 through the '67-'70 LP, I have always tended to think of Pepper and MMT as basically being cut from the same cloth. I love every phase of the Beatles' music and development and because I don't listen to music radio, I've never been in the position of songs being overplayed. Even when I did listen as a kid in the 70s, it was mainly those top 20 shows on sunday evenings. So when it comes to listening over the last 43 years, I've been the master of my own destiny. While I can understand why Capitol descecrated the Beatles' LPs up to Pepper and appreciate how Americans related to the Beatles on those particular terms, I think of the English albums as Beatles albums. But Capitol got it 100% right when it came to MMT. I'm actually surprised that the Beatles even thought in terms of EPs in '67. If you think about it, they actually could have had the 6 EP songs and shoehorned "All Together Now," "Only A Northern Song," "It's All Too Much," "Hello, Goodbye" and finished off "You know my name {look up the number} to make an 11 track LP. Come to think of it, they could even have done something with that awful "Shirley's wild accordion." But I have to say, Capitol were right. Even in the USA, if looked at from the buying public's point of view, their cut up albums were actually better value for money in that rare EP, singles and B sides found their way onto them. It had ceased to matter by the time "Rarities" came out. Anyway, the Beatles 1967 output continues to amaze. In my opinion, not one poor song. They're just brimming with quality and this was where they started to leave other artists behind, not so much in terms of quality {they always had great competitors}, but in terms of the quantity of their quality.

When I was around sixteen I actually liked MMT better than Pepper, I came to prefer Pepper but at one time I loved every song on MMT. Both are great LP's and as you say, MMT was the best Beatles compilation and maybe the best compilation of all time. Great video as always, and I could hear you bit better in this one to.

@johnheaton5667

7 жыл бұрын

Thanks Ron....will try to ensure the sound is good, sorry.

Nice video John. I enjoyed hearing your direct comparisons between the individual tracks, which was illuminating. My take on this is that MMT is kind of Pepper's weirder, stranger, more stoned twin. It will always appeal more to the tokers, whereas Pepper plays the pop card more strongly. Magical Mystery Tour has some great songs on it, but I agree with you that some of the excitement and group spirit seems to have been lost. Both great albums, in slightly different ways. Cheers.

@beatlejames5745

7 жыл бұрын

Perhaps the most over-hyped album in history??

@johnheaton5667

7 жыл бұрын

Thanks James. We need to sick up for the underrated albums such as MMT and Let It Be. Cheers!

Hi John. A really great topic that you've started me thinking about again. Whilst all Beatles albums/EP's/Singles must be treated & accepted as they were recorded/released, I've occasionally thought about a concept. Particularly now, in consideration of all that has been remixed/released since the Anthology series. I've often thought about the concept of releasing a double album for 1967 Beatles' releases. The short time span/overlap in much of their 67 recordings could make a rival to the white album, providing it was sequenced & packaged with thought. I can imagine a double album with cover/songs/packaging similar in vein to Sgt Peppers, but with MMT artwork inside as well. How good would it be having the second disc starting with 'I am the walrus' and also including 'It's all too much' & 'Only a Northern song', It would be a killer double album. Imagine if you can. GAZ (Melbourne/Australia)

@johnheaton5667

7 жыл бұрын

Nice idea Gaz...we can hope. Or we can do such compilations ourselves! Cheers!

I like both lp a lot . But pepper with out a doubt is the one I go to . And the new mix of pepper is phenomenal I think .

@johnheaton5667

7 жыл бұрын

I agree. It must run in the family as Giles has indeed improved on his father's already masterful achievement.

Very interesting discussion John. Both great albums but for me Pepper is better song for song. In my opinion Day in the life tops walrus and as you mention Sgt Pepper tops Mystery Tour as the title track and Within You beats Blue Jay Way hands down. However, both are undeniably great albums..we are talking about the Beatles after all! Nice work John.

@johnheaton5667

7 жыл бұрын

Thanks Tim. Both 5 stars, minor differences if any!

I love both albums. Pepper may have been a little stronger, MMT wasn't as heavily produced making it a nice listen. "Flying", there is just something about that song that takes you back to 1967, its just so memorizing, I wish it was longer than it was. John you're right, this was Capitol's best decision on creating this album, it has a nice flow. As far as the title track is concerned, I think its great, the opening of the song has jumping right into the album and gives you anticipation of what's next!

@johnheaton5667

7 жыл бұрын

I agree that 'Flying' is wonderously atmospheric of this era. Cheers!

@jointhe6461

7 жыл бұрын

Flying is also the closest MMT gets to a Ringo track, inasmuch as Ringo's voice is most prominent on the 'lalalala' bit.

I’ve always preferred Magical Mystery Tour myself.

@vladdrakul7851

3 жыл бұрын

And who did you refer it too?? Sorry I could not help myself!!

2 lps english pop -rock music diamonds-sgt peppers was a concept lp, i think mag.mystery tour was a collection of earlier beatles songs-the songs of both lps are fantastic,only within you without you is a little long and hello hello goodbye not the best lyrics-very nice Review,thanks

I think pepper is stronger both great.I have the ep which i believe was the first stereo 45 to be released.Lucky enough to have mmt on half speed mastered which found i 1979,shit i'm getting old!Great review John

You are showing the Capitol label album. They got the Magical Mystery Tour which is four song and was released on a double EP. They assembled a number of loose singles and B sides to fill up a long playing (LP) album. He should get the original double EP. I got to go to London and I went to a record shop and got two copies!

Hmmm. I'm late to this party but anyway... I ranked the songs from the studio album Sgt Pepper and the compilation LP Magical Mystery Tour (which obviously contained two songs recorded for Pepper anyway), and - surprise surprise - Pepper won. Just my opinion, obviously. Although I _am_ right. 01 SP She's Leaving Home 02 SP Within You Without You 03 MT I Am The Walrus 04 SP When I'm Sixty-Four 05 SP Good Morning, Good Morning 06 SP Fixing A Hole 07 SP Getting Better 08 MT The Fool On The Hill 09 MT Hello Goodbye 10 SP A Day In The Life 11 MT Strawberry Fields Forever 12 SP Lovely Rita 13 MT Penny Lane 14 SP Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds 15 SP Being For The Benefit Of Mr Kite! 16 SP Sgt Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band (Reprise) 17 MT Flying 18 SP Sgt Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band 19 SP With A Little Help From My Friends 20 MT Baby You're A Rich Man 21 MT Magical Mystery Tour 22 MT Your Mother Should Know 23 MT Blue Jay Way 24 MT All You Need Is Love

MMT wasnt really a proper album originally a EP .Also strawberry fields/Penny Lane could have been on Pepper as they were from the pepper sessions hence not sure its a fair contest

Not even a passing mention of Strawberry Fields Forever?

They could have been a double album in reality. I love songs from both albums. Penny Lane and Strawberry Fields Forever were done first before Pepper. I play Strawberry Fields, I Am the Walrus as much as I do Fixing a Hole, Lucy In the Sky With Diamonds and A Day in the Life. Both albums complement each other. I do love Blue Jay Way better than Harrison's Pepper song. And Hello Goodbye is a sentimental favorite since high school for me. I recently started playing the new mix of Flying. The Beatles were so ahead of the game with music.

@SgtPeppersLonelyHeartsClubBand

Жыл бұрын

OH my, if they made it a double album that would literally easily be a top 3 contender for greatest albums of all times.

I think "Sgt. Pepper's" as a whole is better than the sum of its parts. While John's songs are all great and psychedelic Paul's tend to bore me. The harp and strings on 'She's Leaving Home' sappy and his 3 songs together on side 1 have put me to sleep more than once. "Magical Mystery Tour" has loads of great songs, yes including 'Blue Jay Way' (a jay is another name for a joint) which is atmospheric even though it does go on a bit long. The album could have included his 'Only a Northern Song' since it's short for a full LP. It's not quite a compilation since half the album was new at the time of release, coming out a week or so before the EP.

1976 first brit pressing lp of MMT

It was released in 67 even in the UK!

@johnheaton5667

5 жыл бұрын

Max Calvera not the album only the EP

It’s hard to compare, really. “Pepper” is a genuine album, and the songs “Strawberry Fields Forever” and “Penny Lane” rightly belongs to those recording sessions too. “Magical Mystery Tour” is the music from the TV movie plus some singles from 67’ crammed together on side 2 of the LP. That said, those single tracks is off cause of a very high standard which makes this not really genuine LP very strong in terms of quality. By the end of the day I would prefer “Pepper” after all. I like the fact that you can hear that the band has been working on a cohesive project... Favorite tracks: “A Day in the Life” from “Pepper” and “I’m the Walrus” from MMT. Can’t choose really😊

They should not be measured against each other. Magical mystery tour is the EP with 5 bonustracks

I mean it was sgt pepper but that one song i dont like on there. Not good morning good morning. I like that song. But i domt like when im sixty four. But i love EVERY single track on mystery tour. I love blue jay way. Its very different and cool. Flying is also enjoyable. It also has strawberry fields, i am the walrus, penny lane and hello goodbye. Altough sgt pepper has their best song. The other songs dont hold up as good as the songs on mystery tour. I mean exceptions are of course. Within you without you, title track, title track reprise, lucy, help from my friends and litterly every song except when km sixty four lol. Great discussion john. Like

I don't compare these as "albums" as are they are not "like for like", Sgt Pepper is a bona fide album created by The Beatles, whilst MMT is a US compilation album created by Capitol featuring songs from various sources (singles and the EP). However MMT is the best example of a Beatles compilation though...not the usual Capitol "Butcher" effort.

I don't consider Magical Mystery Tour to be a real Beatles album. What the Americans did was take the British EP and added five songs released as singles from that year 1967. It works very well unlike the other U.S compilations.

@johnheaton5667

7 жыл бұрын

clearcoat2000 a lot of the US LPs were controversial but I'm glad they did what they did here...hate tracks getting lost on singles and b sides...nice to have the 67 singles on an album!

“MMT” is a great song in many ways; but it’s like junk food and afterwards leaves one feeling a little let down - as if one has had too much sugar or fat. And I really don’t like “Fool on the Hill” as it seems a little jejeune to me. On the plus side there are the masterpieces like “IATW” and “SFF.” That’s like two “Day(s) in the Life!” Can’t disagree with you more regarding FotH. I think Paul was going for another “Eleanor Rigby,” but gave “TFotH” too much of one thing and too little of another. I agree. I see it as a compilation album...

but, I'm the walruß is the best track of these 2 albums !!!!

@antoniozuquete5068

4 жыл бұрын

Cough cough a day in the life

@TheZutter

4 жыл бұрын

I am the walrus isn’t even the best track on MMT, definitely second place though

Magical Mystery Tour EP cover is better than the Capital cover.

Strawberry fields ?

I like sgt pepper more than magical mystery tour

Pepper by a country doobie over MMT, although Tour does have its meritorious moments to be sure. It's a Beatles' album....how could it not!! Nice discussion, John.

@johnheaton5667

7 жыл бұрын

Thanks David as always!

Though she was born a long long time ago . . .

I think overall the songs on mystery tour are better.

I like the Magical Mystery Tour more because it has a more of a psydeleic feel than Sgt. Pepper. I am a beatles fan, but I only like there tracks Rubber Soul, and anything after that album. The Magical Mystery Tour is more so a Pysdeleic Album rather than a regular beatles album, for example, Blue Jay Way, Flying, I am the Walrus, and Strawberry Fields Forever.

For what it's worth, I'd go with MMT and indeed as you said John, Capitol did a really good job in compiling those singles from 67 adding them to the MMT Ep. I'd say that MMT is actually more psychedelic than Pepper and on the strength of I Am The Walrus, Fool on the Hill, Strawberry Fields Forever, Penny Lane, Baby You're a Rich Man and actually Blue Jay Way, it ends up being a superior album than the overhyped Pepper. I know George's lyrics on Within You Without You in hindsight are quite good and better than Blue Jay Way, the music and melody of WYWY is very pedestrian and eventually extremely boring. I find Blue Jay Way's melody much more engaging.

@johnheaton5667

7 жыл бұрын

Renaud interesting comments thanks renaud

I think Magical Mystery Tour is far superior. Sgt Pepper blew everyone away mostly for its amazing production, but that's ho-hum now. It only has one truly great song in A Day in the Life. The rest aren't bad, but not really particularly good either, especially by Beatles standards. In contrast, just about everything on MMT is fantastic. It's fun, joyful, melodic. I just love this album. I'd say Flying and Blue Jay Way are the only filler there. But two songs frustrate me for being very good, but missing that something that could have made them great: Your Mother Should Know and Hello Goodbye. And with Paul's penchant for perfectionism it's kind of odd that that he didn't work a little harder on these. The former is generally dismissed as drivel, but it has an absolutely fantastic melody and could easily have been a single. Its main problem is the lyric: it really only has one verse, which is repeated almost verbatim a couple of times, and the da-da-da's. John could really have helped on this one, and likely would have gotten a kick out of contributing something to the quintessential "granny music" track. Similarly, Hello Goodbye just seems to repeat the same stuff over and over. It needs another bridge or something, or maybe just should have been shorter. Again, John probably had some half-baked song fragment lying around that could have magically complemented it perfectly.

I think the Sgt Pepper re-issue has shown up MMT as the half baked album it really is, iv'e never seen MMT as a true album, and the bottom line is, take away the singles and you got 1 good song (Walrus)

@jupitermadcat

7 жыл бұрын

rjun67 I'm frankly pretty sick of Pepper at this point. Always liked MMT better. But The White album is my favorite Beatles album.

@rjun67

7 жыл бұрын

White Album is the tops

@johnheaton5667

7 жыл бұрын

Thanks for commenting. I think MMT needs some remixing/reappraisal too.

I prefer MMT, but it's not a proper studio album and shouldn't be treated as such. It's a compilation album.

One had the singles and the other did not. If it had been the 70s - it would have been a double album.

I prefer Tour. Songs are better, production is more brave and brighter, there are elements still flattering and sounding very innovative. Pepper contains some very weak songs and production is not so smashing.

I have ALWAYS preferred Magical Mystery Tour over Sgt. Pepper. I never "compared" the two against one another, I just like most every song on MMT (Baby, You're a Rich Man being the only weak track to me).

@johnheaton5667

7 жыл бұрын

Thanks Gregory! I respect your opinion. And maybe for the same reason I tend to stick up for Let It Be vs Abbey Road because the former tends to be forgotten somewhat!

@gregorypegg7402

7 жыл бұрын

Let It Be and Magical Mystery Tour are my top 2 favorite Beatles albums!

I have to say I REALLY DID NOT LIKE THE NEW MIX. I am being very very mild here to mantain the civilized tone you deserve. To me it is like those restorers thinking they can improve on Da Vinci or Picasso genius with some of their own creativity. It is this same arrogance that explains why the LOTR films, which while they chose to make necessary edits of the book as filming requires, the script editor Fran Walsh insisted that EVERY WORD BE TOLKEIN'S. She chose the cast and organized the acting around the book. She is 50+% of that filsm genius at least. Then we have the Hobbit. A total catastrophe best forgotten made without her and 2/3rds of which is Peter Jackson and he is no Tolkein and it shows. We should be getting RE MASTERS of past music, films etc (see recent re mastered in color Cab Calloway vidoes, stunning) that make the past seem like yesterday. NOT re imaginings decades later. Now every everything sound wise is out of shape. Not everything is SUPPOSED to be clearly heard. Some things are MEAN'T to be felt not noticed and in the background. As a producer myself this bothers me deeply. Neil Young has also made the same point. It is wonderful to have HD videos out now because we can see the past better. We don't want or need to later have 'know it alls' IMPROVE IT. They don't. It is actual sacrilege and barbaric culture destruction of magic moments of the past. It is like ISIS destroying artifacts. It is sacrilege and culture destruction. I am Sorry John but I must say this. it is not personal. I don't think John Lennon would like this anymore than Jim Morrison would have failed to take John Densmore's side on selling Doors music for the commercials he so despised. 'Just gimme the truth!'

Has to be pepper

@johnheaton5667

7 жыл бұрын

Thanks for posting your opinion Mathew!

Baby Your a Rich Man, All You Need is Love, Hello Goodbye, Strawberry Fields, Penny Lane, I am The Walrus, Magical Mystery Tour........... stronger and better flow.....

@johnheaton5667

6 жыл бұрын

G .J thanks for commenting

This is a great discussion. As much as i love both albums i like MMT a little more. I wish they would remix that one i would be in heaven.

@johnheaton5667

7 жыл бұрын

I agree James, thanks. Giles?

@jupitermadcat

7 жыл бұрын

John Heaton absolutely.

Funny but they are my least favourite Beatles albums other than Beatles For Sale. Why ? I don’t know. Many great endearing songs. Too much Paul perhaps ? Not enough George? That said “A Day In the Life” is one of their very best pieces IMHO

If I had to choose would pick mystery tour, always thought Pepper was overrated, apart from maybe 4 tracks a lot of throw away filler. I too have the 1978 picture disc!

No such thing as a over played Beatles track

Hi John, this comparison is futile. This album WAS NOT made by the Beatles. Therefore comparison is useless. All you need is love was NOT for this album it was for Yellow Submarine, Straberry fields/Penny Lane was suppose to be for Pepper, so acknowledging this and the other "EP' fillers really don't make this and album for comparison. Its a waste of time. Why not compare it with Beatles "Oldies but Goldies'....why? Because "Oldies" is a comilation, Sgt Pepper IS NOT a compilation! It was a cash cow for Capitol and then Parlophone. A nothing comparison at the end of the day!

Love both but think Sgt Pepper flows better

@johnheaton5667

7 жыл бұрын

Agreed, thanks Jesse. How could it not be the case when the band put together the album whereas MMT is a compilation whichever you look at it!

Groundbreaking Sgt Pepper may be, but song qualitywise neither Pepper or Magical Mystery Tour are The Beatles at their absolute peak. Too many filler tracks among the truly great and innovative. Pepper starts promisingly enough, and then nose dives starting with "For The Benefit Of Mr Kite" and doesn't pick up until "When I'm Sixty Four" and then later with "A Day In The Life". On both albums McCartney is the more consistent song for song, and he was very much guiding these ventures, but the greatest moments are very much John's and especially "Lucy In The Sky" "A Day In The Life" "Strawberry Fields" and "I Am The Walrus".

@graniterhythm53

4 жыл бұрын

I'd love to hear The Beatles at their absolute peak - Strawberry Fields, Penny Lane, I Am The Walrus, A Day In The Life, All You Need Is Love, Fool On The Hill, Baby You're A Rich Man, Lucy In The Sky, Lovely Rita, Hello Goodbye - 1967 wasn't too shabby!

We know what the lps look like. Put them down.

@alastairmackay4861

4 жыл бұрын

Espey Espey no!! I love how he continually shows the albums, or artwork or inner sleeves, it’s great