Watching those shenanigans I remind myself of a quite popular warning sign in my country, that is translated more or less to "Don't fix machines when they are running, unless you want to wipe your ass with your elbow" :D

@wayoutwest-workshopstuff6299

2 жыл бұрын

Wise words!

@raybin6873

2 жыл бұрын

Ha ha! That's damn good....

A small, thin material chute at the upper end of the conveyor may direct your chips into the wagons allowing for a little better clearance between conveyor and top of the wagon which, seemed to be nudged by the conveyor from time to time.

@bill45colt

Жыл бұрын

just as i started to suggest,,,,a spout under the top of the conveyor with a shelf or trough below and extending a foot or so out over the wagons sides. Review videos of cattle feed conveyors or field combines used by large farmers,,I cant understand why you are processing such small twigs, id think limbs smaller than 5 inches diameter would be mainly bark and not worth your trouble,,,,dummy here it seems,,,,

You guys reminds me so much the place I call "home". So much. Thank you :)

Years ago I needed to refit the plumbing under my house. My solution was to scavenge some conveyors from work and install them through the meter square opening for the access. I had two strong sons, one liked to dig and the other liked to drive. So I built a dump trailer to go behind a golf cart and we set to it. We soon had enough room to get to all the pipes without having to wiggle lengthwise between the floor joists. It sure was better than dragging buckets of dirt out of a hole in the wall. You might could make your shelves into a "V" shape to center your chips on the belt... Cheers Terry from South Carolina USA

Glad to see the expansion, i was suppressed that there isn’t a way to have it run off the same motor that does the chipping?

9:40 Try using the head of a kitchen broom. the bristle will act as a flap, while still allowing the flaps to pass through.

Love the real-world engineering! Solve each new problem as it becomes apparent! Cheers from Guam! 🇬🇺

Not only did a wonderful person donate the conveyor (thanks!), but we all benefitted because you made this video. Thanks!

I made a 60cm wooden pully out of two pieces of plywood for my firewood conveyor. I use the table saw to cut each circle with a beveled edge and sandwiched them together to form the vee.

@wayoutwest-workshopstuff6299

Жыл бұрын

Excellent - I'll give that a go too

there are days when I think "jeez, I'd love to see a WayOutWest video today". Today was such a day (our first real snow day) so I was super happy to watch this! In Dutch, a conveyor belt is called a "Jacob's Ladder", because of Jacob climbing the stairs to the heavens (I think, it was something like that), I thought you should know.

@wayoutwest-workshopstuff6299

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you, Elisabeth - sometimes my brain just can't cope with all the new and interesting things I push in there : - )

Awesome to watch the trial and error method of working through a problem bro. Safe travels up your way

@wayoutwest-workshopstuff6299

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks, Ken : - )

1:10....Ah yes, the start of an adventure! The old, "we need a bigger hammer" opening move. Well played.

Try a piece of heavy fabric at the end of the conveyor to drape into the receiving wagon and stop spillage?

Brilliant stuff! Missed your films, all the best folks!

@wayoutwest-workshopstuff6299

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

This is such fun. Greetings from Johannesburg South Africa!

I have all sorts of machinery in my workshops. The one thing I do not have ( and by the way, I'm deeply envious of your skills and possession of ) is a CNC Plasma Cutter. One is on my wish list.

@wayoutwest-workshopstuff6299

2 жыл бұрын

They're the best! If you're in these islands, talk to Rob and xtreme plasma - he'll help you out...

@Youchubeswindon

Жыл бұрын

You might want to take a look at the below. If you have tools, and a bit of nous it shouldn't be out of your skill set. kzread.info/dash/bejne/qoqOvMixaa62nMY.html

I came here all the way from the other channel, it has been long journey

@wayoutwest-workshopstuff6299

2 жыл бұрын

Welcome, Woodingot!

Hurrah! I think that the speed is right for extended periods of work.

Working in the food industry I've use this type of conveyor a lot. Your flap floor works well I've used a bit of spare belt in the past. Also as someone else suggested you can glue extra flights or extend the flights as well for more capacity

Hurrah! Thank-you!

Yesss!

Looking good and seems like everything worked out well> The free conveyor is super awesome. May not be exactly what you want yet the fact that you did not have to build one right now is a good deal. One can always make another one. The best stuff as far as I know can be found second hand a lot. I have a old wide belt for implments that I have been saving to make a conveyor and just have not gotten around to it. If one can find the belt material then it would be easy to make it longer if you needed it to be. I looked in to one of those chunkers and been thinking about investing in one my self and growing my own fast growing trees on a plot of land I own. The thinking is that the chunks would be far better than cutting and splitting large amounts of wood where this would be something one can do in a very short amount of time to provide enough wood for winter heat.

@wayoutwest-workshopstuff6299

2 жыл бұрын

I think you're right, William - I'm looking forward to trying some of these small chunks in the stove..

I have also heard these conveyors called a "cleated conveyor" so the paddles/shelves could also be called cleats

@wayoutwest-workshopstuff6299

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks, yes, you're right. Or maybe paddles?

@deth3021

2 жыл бұрын

@@wayoutwest-workshopstuff6299 aren't paddles mainly to do with liquid and bigger? These look more like cleats.

Great video! I am also grateful for the mysterious benefactor's generous gift, because it means we get more chipper videos! 😋

If you are going to increase the speed and carrying capacity (more shelves) then it would be helpful to know your chipper’s output capacity. No point in having the conveyor outrun the chipper. Great video Tim!!

@wayoutwest-workshopstuff6299

2 жыл бұрын

that's down to how fast I can push branches in - or who I can rope in to help me. I think the chipper's capable of a lot more than it's doing

If you wanted to increase the efficiency of the conveyor, you could make the paddles larger by either bolting a light sheathing (or single ply fiberglass sheet-something to that effect) to each paddle on the belt. If you preferred a less destructive method, silicone from the gun might have enough adherence without making it too permanent. It would probably have the added benefit of picking up the larger pieces too

I once built a conveyor from scratch using square pieces of wood joined by denim or some other resilient material. The drive was a cog and bicycle chain that traveled through a aluminum track. The pieces of wood thing had short screws thru the center that would catch in the links of the chain. Then I mounted a drill motor to a series of pullies to slow it down. Worked well enough. If I can find the video anyplace I will post it.

Cool to see you back chipping! It’s all coming together so nicely!

Nice job, lucky with the donation! I think perspective is needed on the development, speed of conveyor vs number of carriages and quantity of stock to be chipped. Looks like current setup will work a dream as is and allows for steadier chipping rate, no point it chipping like a mad thing if you're running to feed it! Shame it wasn't just that little longer as the intake to the conveyor needed to be one gap between the paddles past where you input the material so it could run back and catch on the next one not run off. But hats off, getting it done while we sit in the warm and watch!

wow! its all coming together.

I love your narration.

Flip flap floor, I think 🤔 😂! I can tell that you and Will get so excited trying to figure this stuff out together. It's fun to watch. Hey it's American Thanksgiving tomorrow. I know you guys don't celebrate really, but to us it's important and I want to wish you, Will, Sandra and the rest of the farm a happy day tomorrow no matter what it's called. 🦃

@wayoutwest-workshopstuff6299

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you Tracy - and to you and yours too : - ) (I am thankful everyday - just not sure where to direct those thanks. But perhaps they arrive anyway.)

Just a suggestion from a previous video, if you want to haul logs try going for logging disconnects. Maybe even modify them for your liking.

@wayoutwest-workshopstuff6299

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, that's what I'm planning, although that's a new name for me. So much to learn!

thanks Tim.

I love watching these videos! Keep up the good work!

Very cool Tim :) I think that will help you out a lot.

That looks really nice. Now you can load up the train cars. You need a small locomotive. The move around the railway so you don't hurt your body for your back your health is most important. Keep on chugging along keep up the good work

@thaliahelene

2 жыл бұрын

I think he needs to find a way for the cars to be pulled from the side by a pony or maybe a donkey ^_^ old canal boats were often pulled along by mules in a similar way.

@tonygrimes13

2 жыл бұрын

@@thaliahelene Not enough room at the sides of the rails!

Spectacular job Brother 👍

It's looking good, Tim!

That's fun for sure

Plasma milling 101 ! Sweet

A door or piano hinge on the flap and a chute at the top if you have the room would be fine.

9:40 - Ever thought of using an old YARD (straw) broom head there, as it would easily bend it's bristles our of the way of the paddles, yet keep the chipped wood on the belt.

I was kinda hoping to see how you would make a conveyor belt system. But it is cool to see it being installed. the aluminum ladder sounds interesting. Great video as always.

I love watching your videos, must be because I am always fiddling with something. I get this off my late Grandad, he was always making/adapting/repairing/restoring things. Lately been doing a lot of work on my family's Burrell traction engine this week. Shame you couldn't have acquired a old right angle gearbox and had you old oil engine drive the elevator to (saving on your electricity bill to ;-) ) I'm not sure if it helps, but straw jacks and elevators have a slanted baffle to catch and guide the "produce" on to the elevator proper, that also have a "pit" to stop the straw falling through but with sticks you might find this would jam up so I think you ingenious flap system is best here. At the other end if you find you keep getting spillage from chips either missing your wagon or being carried over by the slats, a baffle or guide slat underneath (obviously allowing room for the elevator slats) will guide this stubborn bits to where you want them. I was waiting for the hammer to hit will on the head haha.

Yes that's what we're talking about

Great seeing a good trial and error video

Love all your projects you share! Im sure you've tought about this already but instead of a conveyor could you sink the wagon instead and when its full you winch it up to ground level? You would save energy and complexity that way perhaps.

You could look into the plastic dividing curtains like warehouses use to let forklifts through at the bottom of the conveyer instead of the plywood

Wrap the copper tube around the outside of a pipe 1" - 1 1/2" smaller in diameter than your chimney. That will be your form. Remove the tubing from the outside of the pipe and insert in chimney.

I imagine you get a good laugh out of some comments Tim, especially those that tell you how to solve problems 😂 🤣 😅

@wayoutwest-workshopstuff6299

2 жыл бұрын

Ha! But every so often there's a gem shining through : - )

Can you transport your animal fertilizer bye rail also ? Let’s see what’s next ?! Is it a tanker car ( 300 gal. IBC tote on a car ) a box car to haul dry stuff along with your engine and belly dump car and log car and last but not least a caboose ( to sit in and have lunch or a snack or a drink of water in the shade ) but of course you need the proper attire like bibs and hat ! Lol

If you have a look at a mobile farm elevator. You see adjustable triangler frame on two wheels. With a small hand winch. As the frame is squeeze the height is increased.

Generally you want the drive roller to pull rather than push, but in this instance it appears to work just fine.

@michaelbright9162

2 жыл бұрын

I am confused. Does the motor pull the belt down from the top roller?

@roseroserose588

2 жыл бұрын

​@@michaelbright9162 on this conveyor the motor pushes the belt upwards to pull it you'd need the motor at the top

@randomfish42

2 жыл бұрын

@@roseroserose588 But the bottom roller is pulling on the top roller as the whole thing is a loop. If there where more weight on the belt I can see there would be a difference due to the top of the belt being under more tension but in this case my guess is there isn't much difference (assuming the belt has some tension in it already).

@michaelbright9162

2 жыл бұрын

@@roseroserose588 It is pushing the upper section of the belt upwards but pulling the lower section downwards. The tension applied to the belt must be the same wherever the motor is. If not are there any calculations to show the loading on the motor for both situations?

@matthijspw

2 жыл бұрын

​@@michaelbright9162 The reason you normally want a pulling motor isn't that it uses more or less power. When you put a load (chopped wood) on the belt, it stretches a little. With the powered roller at the bottom this can cause slipping. When you drive the top roller, the slack can go to the return bit of the belt. You can mitigate this by increasing the belt tension, but that causes more wear on the belt and the bearings. On very long belts you can get issues with the straigtness of the structure. Engineering is always a compromise. In this case, with a very heavily built belt and the motor being heavy as well, putting the motor at the bottom is probably the best solution. From a safety point of view, having the belt slip when overloaded is nice as well.

"Where there's a will, there's a way." "Don't force it; get a bigger hammer!"

@wayoutwest-workshopstuff6299

2 жыл бұрын

Well exactly!

Cool, I was hoping you would get a conveyor! Why didn't you use the big engine to also drive the Belt? I fear the hoist motor is not made for continuous operation and might burn out.

@wayoutwest-workshopstuff6299

2 жыл бұрын

You might be right, Dave. But it does have cooling fins. Using the engine will need a 90 degree gear - not cheap!

@schwuzi

2 жыл бұрын

@@wayoutwest-workshopstuff6299 I don't know how much torque it needs to hold up to but a broken angle grinder works great as a 90° gearing. I've used it in a project before.

@Ultrazaubererger

2 жыл бұрын

@@wayoutwest-workshopstuff6299 I'm more worried about the internal temperature, the design might assume frequent pauses in Load to allow for natural heat dissipation. Did you check the motor if they specified load cycles?

@kameljoe21

2 жыл бұрын

@@Ultrazaubererger Most hoist motors that are AC have reduction gear box on them and are just fine to run non stop. 12 volt hoist like what one would use on an atv will run for a long time and will quit at some point. This is because the hoist motor requires far to many amps to run it which creates a lot of heat. I used to have quite a few of those AC hoist motors of many sizes and I do know that when used in a set up like this they should be just fine. The only thing I would get is the gearbox oil or grease. Other than that it should be just fine.

@BlackDreaded

2 жыл бұрын

There should be a type plate where the usage type is written i.e. S9-15min, then it is designed for 15min work intervalls at the nominal power. Though Tim does not really know the power required - so this would not even help to know...

Cool Video, i really like your railway!

We love you Tim and your hard work that you do.We will watch later after our busy day love to Sandra and all the animals we love the Donkeys there our favourites .🎄🎄🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈🎄🎄🤶🤶🎅🎅🎅🏡🏡🏡🏡🏡🏡

I know you've got it sorted now, but should you decide to make another it may be worth considering a screw conveyor. (like an Archimedes screw). Wouldn't be surprised if there weren't a lot of farms around you with machines just like yours, they used them to raise hay bales etc. Now redundant since the invention of the huge round bales, so there's a possibility of very cheap spares there. 👍

if the flap thingy that keeps the chips from falling down doesn't work out i have another idea though it might not fit for your purposes. basically you need to cover over the belt with a panel of plywood that's the same length as the distance between the belt flaps. then you just add a slope down to the belt from the end. in this design any chips that fall behind the first flap will have nowhere to go except against the flap further down because the top is covered. this does mean that the chips have to enter onto the belt from at least one flap-gap length which might make the high end of the slope too high for where the chips come out.

@wayoutwest-workshopstuff6299

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, that might work - but as you suggest I'd have to move and raise the chipper, which would be very complicated

You are Oliver Postgate of Ivor the Engine fame.

One of your railway videos was no my recommendation list so I diceded watch all of them and your latest videos, butseeing the trouble you had moving the new carts you built from the workshop up to and onto the rails, made think why not extend the tracks down to your workshop so any more new carts and if you/when you build a locomotive they could be built and pushed dricetly onto the rails from your workshop. BTW I subscribed to both your channels.

love it!

wonderful

You Should make a Adjustable Conveyor with these double Pulleys so u can adjust it to get into the carts

Maybe use pieces of old conveyor belt to make the "flapdoor" at the bottom & for guiding the chips.

Of cousre we like to see how's it going!

I think soon you will have a full automatic charcoal factory

What you need is a mud flap the mud flap will just raise the teeth without jamming the belt And no wood chips will fall out

What about moving the elevator sides closer to the middle of the belt,narrowing the whole system, looks like there's an inch either end of the belt for material to be lost

I think his intentions have been clearly conveyed :)

Yaaaaa!

For the shelf problem, would a piano-key shape shelf and corresponding funnel work?

Heath Robinson would be proud.

7m44s way-out Vest! 11m30s Re "improvements" in speed etc. Do not overlook your greatest improvement in speed: That wood-chipping and loading a wagon is now a one-man(1) operation. I believe that in the past it has taken two of you to toss a loaded basket over the lip of a wagon, whereas now your only constant manual labour is feeding branches into the throat. It has not escaped my notice that with the conveyor you can now harvest a little of the energy from the conveyor energy to load an elevated wagon crate, so you can then use that potential energy to propel the wagon! Well Done That Man! (1) or one-woman, if ever Sandra gets over her squeamishness (grin)

I love this guy he has to be the most crafty guy this world's seen

@homeontheranch8267

2 жыл бұрын

No

You might be able to cut different size chain sprockets with the plasma cutter ...

@wayoutwest-workshopstuff6299

2 жыл бұрын

I can cut big-toothed ones but this size is just beyond the accuracy I can get with the plasma machine. I need a waterjet machine, don't I?

@emmajacobs5575

2 жыл бұрын

@@wayoutwest-workshopstuff6299 Or a laser!

Instead of your wooden board which holds the sticks from falling under the conveyor belt you could build a half u- shaped steel plate under the belt. So when the belt comes back from the wagon it catches the sticks lying in the u- shaped pan and transports them to the upper side. / /\ wagon ---/ / \ Sticks / /\ / / \ \ ---O/ / \ | /

@wayoutwest-workshopstuff6299

2 жыл бұрын

Brilliant! (But my way's simpler..)

It's called conveyancing - solicitors do it all the time!

I totally love this entire series! I did wonder if the chipper itself could be raised say 30-50 cm’s higher and that way buy you back a bit of height and reduced steepness of the conveyor? And also I would love to know what 3D cad software you are using (I’ve tried to zoom in on your videos to see the title bar but not quite enough resolution to be legible)? May your health be blessed, Sláinte!

@wayoutwest-workshopstuff6299

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks! I don't do 3d, just 2d - Coreldraw for the drawings, exported as .svgs to Sheetcam, and then into Mach 3.

@dshack4689

2 жыл бұрын

@@wayoutwest-workshopstuff6299 thankyou so much for letting me know about Coreldraw - was it also Coreldraw that you used for the dragon exhaust pipe drawing? You showed some really cool pivot points in that video (kzread.info/dash/bejne/q3-tltCyoausmLA.html) and that really grabbed my attention

@wayoutwest-workshopstuff6299

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, Coreldraw for everything

cool

I've been enjoying all of your videos! I haven't heard what you will be doing with all the charcoal? Is it all for biochar? Will you be selling some?

@wayoutwest-workshopstuff6299

2 жыл бұрын

I hope to sell most as biochar, but also explore other uses for carbon..

Bigger hammer always useful.

Have you thought of making a playlist for Farm railroad videos ? I'm asking because I'm having a little bit of difficulty trying to find the First videos you made regarding the very beginnings of the project

@wayoutwest-workshopstuff6299

2 жыл бұрын

They're on the other channel still - but I hope to move them all over to this one soon

at 7:20 in the video you're being a bit unsafe with your bootlace there ;) but great work! I enjoy watching your videos :)

This must be the other side!

@wayoutwest-workshopstuff6299

2 жыл бұрын

Welcome, William!

What about a variable frequency drive for the motor? That would give you variable speed without making any mechanical changes. Also, what would happen without the flapper-shelf thing, if you just let the whole space fill with chips? Would there eventually be a point where the empty space is filled and the new material would end up on the conveyor?

@andrewreynolds4949

2 жыл бұрын

It looks like the chips were falling underneath the conveyor instead of piling up

@leonclose7823

2 жыл бұрын

@@andrewreynolds4949 Yeah, you'd need something to contain them around the bottom of the conveyor.

Have you considered making a lathe? there are some good designs out there on youtube, and it would help out in the shop quite a bit :)

Wouldn't an Archimedes screw be easier to work?

Would a truck tyre mudflap be a better solution?

Could you use a brush on the end?

No one has ever given me a conveyor either, but I think I do know why.

😃😃

KZread un subscribed me! I missed out on so much but it’s fantastic to see all the work. The new hopper (oh i can not wait to see that have couplers so there can be a full train) the ballasted railroad grade (helps with the mud issue too) the fancy switch and now a self loading industry [loading a car not being loaded into] ;)

@wayoutwest-workshopstuff6299

2 жыл бұрын

Glad you could join us again, Matt : - )

Very Good!... 153 🐄🦉✝

you no when you had that chopper i told you about in poland and you bought one and you complained it was blunting blades fast well i watched the video on russian channels they say with hard wood use smaller branchs with softwood bigger branches plus also it makes a difference when wood is chipped better when its green

Why not run the belt from the chipper? You can do it with belt puleys from the chipper's shaft and a worm gear. You have a worm gear in your mangolator machine...

Anyone else see the gear spark on the chain at 5:24?

I have a question will the railway have a engine to pull the trains or will it be pulled by hand

Who needs a lathe or a drilling machine when you have a plasma cutter - love it !