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@raiders7294

2 жыл бұрын

Paul Bernardo please.

@AceMoonshot

2 жыл бұрын

I know when it comes to material, you guys are spoilt for choice. But just a few ideas...Kemper, Oswald, Not-a_crook Nixon and Nixon vs Kennedy debates, maybe Costello and others in the Kefauver Committee.

@amywells5379

2 жыл бұрын

Hey guys. I am liking this *set a reminder* format. Looking forward to this one and interested which interviews you will show. ( excited for Mark and Scott's candid reactions to her character). I remember when this all started. I was a kid when our TV was held hostage for a month because our TV repair man decided to go to the East Coast to "get some" and became her first victim. The police closed his shop as part of the investigation. Sad story, this. For everyone involved.

@LoneRider1969

2 жыл бұрын

Richard Kuklinki plz plz Scott.🤗

@raiders7294

2 жыл бұрын

Do Paul Bernardo please. Thank you.

With all due respect...I would call Jodi Arias an 'it', but this woman's childhood was an absolute nightmare, unlike Arias' who was spoiled rotten. Wuornos had no chance at becoming a well adjusted person. . I'm not excusing her, just making an observation.

@numerian4516

2 жыл бұрын

I will agree w your perspective.

@zawilson1010

2 жыл бұрын

Truthfully, I'll probably continue to watch their videos, at least here and there, but without subscribing or liking the content. I am profoundly disappointed in this video, in the remark made that high gas prices in the US are the fault of Biden by one of the panelists, and by the lack of panel diversity.

@AlyxCoe

2 жыл бұрын

@@zawilson1010 yes, I'd like to see at least one woman on that panel, and certainly female guests who are truly professionals, like Det. Kim Davis who interviewed Daniel Holtzclaw.

@calliecrider2475

2 жыл бұрын

I agree completely

@joebarracuda6038

2 жыл бұрын

@@zawilson1010LGB

I think that she is referring herself as human to remind people she is because she’s been treated as less then human for many years

@lsieu

2 жыл бұрын

Good point.

@ginabattz9716

2 жыл бұрын

VERY good point!

@mary-janereallynotsarah684

Жыл бұрын

I felt bad for her but then she said she needed wheels. Definitely lack of nurture and horrible abuse but how did she select the men? If it had been self defense I think she would have stuck to her story. I would understand if she saw every man as a monster but she said she just robbed some of them. It's awful what happened to her but she also called customers friends. Very confusing. Or was the friends angle just a lie? I do feel bad regardless. Not to excuse her actions. But horrible thing overall.

@patriciacarolevondyche4068

Жыл бұрын

Yes…The references to “IT”. Lost me… see ya

@carolnahigian9518

Жыл бұрын

the 7 guys she killed was Humans too

Aileen is the only serial killer I’ve ever felt some kind of sympathy for. From birth to death her life was a nightmare, and no one ever loved or cared about her, all she ever wanted was love.

@ms.annthropic6341

Жыл бұрын

Her case is honestly heart breaking 💔

@kellysims5732

Жыл бұрын

I agree. ❤️ If someone would have loved her, there wouldn't have been any killing. She was from very ignorant people 🙄. Nobody deserves a life like she had.

@eyeoftheleopardleopard8829

11 ай бұрын

Agree 100%.

@Brianna.007

2 ай бұрын

💯 I felt bad for her too

No one showed her love or feelings. Or treated her like a human. I pray she RIP.🙏

I happen to know two women who have similar backgrounds to Aileen. Both were raped and beaten by fathers/grandfathers and forced into sex trafficking ( no child under 18 is a prostitute, they are victims of pedophiles) as young teenagers and neither was able to be a functioning adult. One died by suicide at the age of 20, the other is completely addicted to drugs on and off and has lost custody of 3 different children. I wait for the day I get the call that she’s overdosed. I don’t think anyone who goes through what Aileen and my friends went through is ever able to be mentally healthy. Also being raped is soul destroying, even if the victim is an adult so the damage caused by a pedophile to a small child must be astronomical. Truthfully I don’t see how she could turn out any other way. She had no support system, no mental health care and an atrocious life.

@evacharles498

2 жыл бұрын

Good point about the underage I totally missed. If she can't legally consent, then she isn't a prostitute.

@jo-cx7pb

2 жыл бұрын

I agree..

@JuliaToptoTaildoggrooming

2 жыл бұрын

I also think it's a cop out to say as one of the panelists did, that others go through this, and don't turn out as killers, that this was 'a choice' of some kind. I feel like no-one will have gone through the exact same thing in the same way as Aileen, and to suggest this is a way of dismissing her story. Going through something like she did, as a child, it would be obvious that harm was done & equally obvious that if no support is given for this harm then a cycle of abuse is likely, what happened as far as I can see is that abuse imploded & she ended up killing people as a way of partially dealing with her own abuse. She never felt like she mattered, & so others lives didn't matter. Many people who are abused turn that harm inward, end up self harming, I don't think that it really waahes to say that just because othere who go through this don't wind up doing the same, that she didn't have to either, you could say that about anyone & their life choices, fact is that we must see that abuse, lack of care & also after support causes extreme harm & the damage can be astronomical. It does make me wonder about other killers too, whether evil is really damaged individuals let down by their life circumstances resulting in serious mental health disorders

@mcblaloc

2 жыл бұрын

@@evacharles498 Correct

@sallyfeschuk5771

2 жыл бұрын

I'm very sorry for your friend but thank you for standing by her without judgement. That's real friendship.

I remember watching the documentary about her and being in tears by the end. From birth to death..everyone saw her as less than human.

@virginiawallace4402

2 жыл бұрын

Yes. They certainly did. I feel so bad for her. She didn't need to end this way.

@viciouscircle7802

2 жыл бұрын

@@kevinmeserole7345 She did it because she believed her girlfriend was the only one who ever truly loved her and she was trying to keep her around.

@viciouscircle7802

2 жыл бұрын

@@kevinmeserole7345 Yeah I'm so out of order....sorry Dad! No need to be insulting i just have an opinion like everyone else.

@viciouscircle7802

2 жыл бұрын

@@kevinmeserole7345 I'm a woman lol

@viciouscircle7802

2 жыл бұрын

@@kevinmeserole7345 😘🤣

Chase is very compassionate and empathetic to her and what she went through as a child. He is my favorite.

@reneelibby4885

Жыл бұрын

he's the only one showing empathy on this particular video. props to Chase.

@amazingsupergirl7125

Жыл бұрын

I always love Chase.

Chase Hughes what I love most about the first segment was your ability to speak with compassion about this lady and her life. In her death you gave her a sense of humanness.

@robyn2628

Жыл бұрын

chase is such a sweetheart

@ldjt6184

Жыл бұрын

And he was the only one who did.

I understand her perspective that raping a child is worse than killing someone. I have a friend who was raped throughout her childhood by her own father. She's alive, but he took her life all the same. She is not the person she would have been if this hadn't happened. I think men, in general, have no clue how devastating rape is (unless they've been raped). To be repeatedly raped as a child by adults who were meant to take care of you is worse than dying in my opinion. The adults who destroyed her psyche when she was a child are the monsters here. It's heartbreaking.

@coreyparson9906

2 жыл бұрын

Being a survivor of rape, I can attest that it is like a murder. The old me died.

@gemmateagan2022

2 жыл бұрын

Totally agree. Exactly what I think. Guys usually can't understand how horrific rape is. Like people always say that child killers get gang raped in jail by other men - I kind of think that some of those guys doing the raping of the rapist must be child rapists themselves, if it's so easy for them to use their sex organs as weapons.

@lux.illuminaughty

2 жыл бұрын

I was going to say something like this, that to Aileen's mind the allegation of RAPE and murder of a child against someone was enough for her to make a Judgment (and I mean that capital J Judgment, as the guys go over - Aileen sitting next to Jesus, with her accused across from them being Judged; human > moral > right > righteous), and that as a child who had been raped and left alive she had first hand knowledge of the effect the former had upon a child (perhaps the latter was a mitigating factor to her mind, but not much of one).

@ginabattz9716

2 жыл бұрын

@@coreyparson9906 I agree. I was not ever the same. I’m still going through trauma with a therapist, over 20 years later.

@coraldawn7201

2 жыл бұрын

I'd be suicidal

Aileen Wuornos has always fascinated me. When sex workers go missing or are murdered nobody really seems to care all that much. But when a sex worker murders her johns, she is the first and only female serial killer. I really like Scott, but his 'it' comment left a bad taste in my mouth. To me, it was an example of the misogyny that too often surrounds women when it comes to sex, abuse and crime. Note: I am not calling Scott a misogynist, I'm simply commenting on the misogynistic tone of one of his statements.

Im so impressed by the compassion for Aileen that im reading in the comments. She was a victim her whole life and my heart breaks for her.

@Jersey1971

Жыл бұрын

I'm not blaming the victims but those men were disgusting they were living a lie had wives and children but were out there soliciting prostitutes the media made these men look like upright law-abiding citizens. God passed his judgement on them the night they picked up Wournos

I love how Chase is always so empathetic. It's like he takes off his "interrogator" hat and just looks at how sad her life was. His wife is a lucky woman!

@savvystylelady

Жыл бұрын

I agree. Chase has empathy and he must be a wonderful father and husband. His family is very lucky. 🌺

I think these guys are the best at behavioral interviewing…. But I would strongly recommend that before they ever discuss the topic of sexual violence again, they need to take a long, serious look at their own attitudes about it. So much of what was said was inappropriate and offensive, and they’re completely oblivious.

@alabama.worley

2 жыл бұрын

What exactly did you find inappropriate and offensive? They didn't discuss any details about rape/sexual violence.

@jn5859

2 жыл бұрын

@Samson of course they can. The fact that you think there is no nuance beyond the question of whether or not this woman was a murderer is concerning. There were also plenty of side conversations where this topic was mentioned that didn’t focus on Aileen at all. And they weren’t good.

@jn5859

2 жыл бұрын

@@alabama.worley The biggest part was where Scott literally couldn’t fathom why a victim of sexual assault would view the R word as worse than the M word. Not even a slight hint (whether he agrees with the viewpoint or not, he couldn’t even imagine that the R word could possibly cause much suffering). That’s for starters. I think Chase did a pretty good job of addressing the subject without being offensive. Others, not so much.

@alabama.worley

2 жыл бұрын

@@jn5859 That's a personal viewpoint, and in no way offensive or inappropriate. Furthermore, her vernacular and psychology factor into their overall assessment. It was she who placed murder below rape morally, then literally acted out on it. Scott simply didn't agree with that, nor did the judicial system. I don't recall him saying that rape doesn't cause suffering.

@jn5859

2 жыл бұрын

@@alabama.worley Cool story. Any my personal viewpoint is that whether you AGREE with her thinking or not, it shouldn’t be difficult for the average person to recognize that she was referring to living a life of suffering vs not experiencing the emotion of suffering when one is not alive. It’s not rocket science.

Let’s not refer anyone as IT, thank you,

@edg4119

2 жыл бұрын

Dehumanizing others is a characteristic of psychopathology, I believe. Kind of ironic.

@edg4119

2 жыл бұрын

@Feed My Lambs Never said it was. Obvs you don't do irony.

Men attacking her again. The poor woman was seriously mentally ill

i am a big fan...calling Aileen "it" was very jarring to me. She was definitely a product of her environment; not that i am excusing her behavior. Her entire story was/is so tragic. I am spiritual/definitely not religious. To call our fellow man "it" is so harsh to me. We are all so blessed to have a healthy mind and the good fortune that we do.

@nicoledonovan2057

2 жыл бұрын

@NUYAKA it still is so upsetting to me It makes me want to cry

@zenbumblebee

2 жыл бұрын

@NUYAKA Me too. I've been reading through the comments & many others think the same. It's just so cruel. Both Scott & Greg lack empathy for SA survivors, this is just entertainment for them. I've gained knowledge but this was horrific.

I love Chase’s analysis of this woman. I also detect some compassion and sadness. That’s human and I salute him for this trait

@Grace.AlwaysGrace.

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for posting that, Sandy. A truth well spoken.

@lizziej72

2 жыл бұрын

Yes. I didn't like Scott's little speech about how he's only going to refer to her as "it." She's still a human being.

@lizziej72

2 жыл бұрын

@@simonblack4203 Exactly. It definitely says a lot about Scott.

@johannas.l.brushane2518

2 жыл бұрын

@@lizziej72 Mark rolled his eyes at that.

@johannas.l.brushane2518

2 жыл бұрын

@@annie-zw9yl Agree, her background (her lifeexperience doesn't exactly make for having high thoughts about men generally) and that circumstance of her first victim recently had been released after serving a 10 year sentence for a violent rape. Even if it was a situation of excessive selfdefence it may have been a situationed of her being threathened and further might have been a catalyst for the rest of the killings, people who are frightened can be dangerous.

Chase seemed to be the single panel member that had a sincere grip on Aileen's evolution. Dont all of your jobs require you to have true insight and empathy? Scott, that was so telling and disappointing to hear and witness your struggle with understanding why R is worse than M. Greg, your misogyny is showing!

@tarawalsh-arpaia3928

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, there 'jobs', if they really had them, would require that.

She was psychologically “frozen” at age four… when she was left with her grandfather who SA’ed her along with his friends. The child she had at 14 was the result of that SA. Chase acknowledging that history was completely necessary. Context matters. Not only to being a decent person in how one regards others, but to properly interpret the nonverbal behavior of a person. Scott’s commentary was disgustingly tone deaf. It’s so easy to educate yourself on SA and trauma. You don’t have to be a survivor or counselor to gain a modicum of understanding. None of this justifies Aileen’s actions, but it certainly feeds into the psychology and motivation that lead her there.

@MsSilverTulip

2 жыл бұрын

Wholeheartedly agree with you. And TBA have replied to other similar comments with snarky, sarcastic unprofessional comments. Shameful.

Wow! Mark is calling her out for using "dehumanizing language" but no comment regarding labeling her "it".

Don’t dehumanize her by calling her “it”

@gripplehound

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for saying that. It’s revolting language. I’ve unsubscribed. They’ve let down every single woman in the world.

@supernova11711

2 жыл бұрын

I do agree but I also kind of understand what he’s saying because I’ve done a ton of research on psychopaths and people with Narcissistic Personality Disorder. There really is nobody there. They’re walking meat suits. It’s disturbing and hard to begin to wrap our brains around but people like this do exist and I guarantee you it’s a whole lot more common than you think. Are they still people? I can see an argument for both sides honestly. In her case I feel like she was because you can understand how she got so screwed up. I think she became the way she was due to her terrible life. The ones that are just born that way though…are really more like robots.

@shantra9870

2 жыл бұрын

I found this shocking as well.

@desertsky4211

2 жыл бұрын

I'm sorry I missed that. I'm sure Eileen has schizophrenia. There are more videos out there and one of them shows it clearly. I studied her when I was getting my psych degrees.

I've always felt compassion for her, but then again, she didn't murder my family member. Her childhood undoubtedly broke something inside.

@proxyofamuse

2 жыл бұрын

I feel the same. I'm not condoning anything she's done, but that doesn't mean I can't understand why it may have gotten to this point. I wish she could have a redo.

@martyncraigbrown

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I’m sure her victims relations will differ on this but i pity her too. We all have a breaking point. She was dealt a terrible hand and lashed out

@Amazing_missB

2 жыл бұрын

I think her childhood took away her humanity. Killing her didn't make a difference to her and she welcomed her end. I think she had died a long time before her execution. I agree some people should never be let out into society- but I also don't agree that the government should have the power to take a life or make the judgment on who lives or dies.

@SavedByJesus4HeimatLiebe

2 жыл бұрын

is not like someone carried those grown men to her or forced them by gunpoint!!

@lally816

2 ай бұрын

When I saw the movie it was the most heart wrenching upsetting movie I’ve ever seen and I felt so sorry for that woman

Her victims were not innocent men, they paid to use and abuse her body and very likely these 7 got out of control!! Women do get raped and murdered every day when they resort to this lifestyle, what about their families. This is a woman who had no soft place to land her whole life, she is not so much a narcissist as she is a survivor. She never learned how to seek out help and certainly never had anyone step forward to help her as a child.

I have a lot of sympathy for Aileen and she does not deserve to be called an it 👎

When someone calls a distressed victim of abuse “not human” and refers to them as “it”, it says far more about them than it does the survivor. Stick to reading body language guys, and leave the analysis to the professionals who have done the work on themselves in order to regard others with compassion and understanding.

@shrewcake1220

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, perfectly said.

@ginabattz9716

2 жыл бұрын

👏👏👏👏👏

@coraldawn7201

2 жыл бұрын

I'm a survivor but the ability to win your life back from an emotional& physically abusive relationship is baggage you live with for a very long time

@martyncraigbrown

2 жыл бұрын

Well put sir! I hope the panel takes note of this comment and others like this before they begin to lose subscribers. This is the first one I have watched from the panel that has left a nasty taste in my mouth. And these comments diminishes confidence/faith in the actual reading because it appears less objective and more based on derision and ridicule, presumably looking for a laugh? I don’t get the motive. So perhaps I should study body language! Maybe *it* will teach me

@tarawalsh-arpaia3928

2 жыл бұрын

@@martyncraigbrown There is no such expertise recognised in either science or law. These guys are just out to sell their 'merch'. They are qualified in NOTHING. No one should watch them.

I always feel sorry for her. She had no chance in life from the day she was born. Her life was the opposite of the American Dream.

@lauraevelynpaxton

2 жыл бұрын

Which is the situation with a large # of men serial killers.

She has been wronged by every single person in her life. Men and women. To me it’s so sad. She may have been a psychopath, but it was because of her horrendous life. From the time she was born. You wonder what she would have been like had she had people who truly loved and cared for her. Every single person in this world deserves love. Even Eileen Wournos!

I know it’s an unpopular opinion. But I feel so sorry for her . There is no doubt this woman is so broken . She was let down by everyone .. especially the justice system

@blueskygal255

Жыл бұрын

Agreed. A sad story with a tragic ending.

@hollyhayes9640

Жыл бұрын

Dude, your opinion is actually extremely popular to people who are familiar with this case. Almost every comment on KZread is made in her defense.

@theresaquidi

9 ай бұрын

Actually, it's a popular opinion. She did not receive justice.

Calling her "it" was disgusting.. didn't expect that when you want to portray yourself as neutral

@shrewcake1220

2 жыл бұрын

Also Scott’s endless focus on her pathology. Yes we get it, Rouse, you are sickened by cluster B personality disorders. Perhaps you could look a little deeper into the causes and intersections between trauma, poverty, neglect and violence to inform your comments rather than continue this one-note dehumanisation.

@ginabattz9716

2 жыл бұрын

Absolutely agree. This was pretty messed up.

@SavedByJesus4HeimatLiebe

2 жыл бұрын

@@shrewcake1220 true face

I think calling her an 'it' was despicable. For guys who say you don't pick sides, I wish you'd toed the line in this 'dissection'. Of course, you could use every label for Aileen, but more conjecture about mental illness as a result from horrific abuse would have added balance. God only knows what she lived through. I feel like Chase displayed the most humanity, btw. Seeing so many empathetic comments here is heartening.

@Annaklaranna

2 жыл бұрын

I agree

@gopony6798

2 жыл бұрын

I don’t even understand why he called her an it when he’s never called any other murderer an it. It was as if he took her crimes personally or something.

@spiceshewrites

2 жыл бұрын

@@gopony6798 Exactly

@bonitatorres5543

2 жыл бұрын

In his defense, he did say "nothing is there". But I would NOT call her an "it". She's a human being who lived an inhumane life.

@ginabattz9716

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you!!!!

She had nobody to protect her since day one. Its like everyone in her life did her wrong. Unfortunately she had no chance for a normal, peaceful life. Sad.

If any of the men on this panel was treated like Aileen was since she was a small child. Any one of you would be ANGRY too!

@reneelibby4885

Жыл бұрын

they don't get it.

Very ironic that Mark would complain about the "dehumanizing language" Wuornos used while Scott nods in the background. Scott, calling a human being "it" is about as dehumanizing as it gets. That says something about who you are. Something not very flattering. I've watched several videos which were interesting, but this is where I stop. The sexism and glib judgement of a PERSON who had a horrific childhood is not becoming of you and not something I want to expose myself to again. I understand that she needed to be prevented from killing again, but I disagree with the death penalty and I disagree that she was a psychopath. She loved her female partner, for example, she was not an it who had no feelings. I stopped watching the Susan Smith video as well because of your sexism. You all judged her for not being expressive enough while giving her husband a pass, rationalizing that he was "frozen" and that was understandable. Until and unless you guys take a look at your own biases, truly, whatever's interesting in your observations is going to be poisoned by them.

@haitianhoodoo265

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, I object to calling Wuornos " It" . Her father was a child molester, her grandfather molested her , there was incest with her brother at an early age, and with the traumatic stress of this upbringing, one cannot forget as one of you always says community ( or family) is everything . You didn't call Jeffrey Dahmer whose father had a doctorate in chemistry " It"; you didn't call Trump "It"; please do not call this woman born into abject poverty and violence " It" .

@leonslionessnz6948

2 жыл бұрын

Indeed. There is an old saying 'Never judge someone until you have walked in their shoes.' Calling someone an it is a judgemental and dehumanizing statement and hardly something I would expect to hear from a professional person.

I watched the documentary and the description of an incident that was witnessed by her childhood friend regarding her grandfather was hard to get out of my head. It was horrific. She was an abused child and grew up a damaged adult. The authorities stepped in when she was an adult but where were they when she needed them as a child?

@ginabattz9716

2 жыл бұрын

Absolutely. Her childhood was horrific. Her adulthood was horrific. She took control when and where she could. 💯 not saying that killing anyone is ever right, but she was just so mentally broken.

@claudiapoe5292

2 жыл бұрын

Having dealt with CPS, I have found that many workers have become hardened to some behavior. The rules don’t work like they should. If the child is in a good foster home, the foster family can’t implement good behaviors because of the child’s rights. My aunt tried to teach a teenage boy how to manage and save money. She wasn’t allowed to do that because the money was his and he could spend it as he liked. The worst thing though is that they make every effort to get the child back with their own family. For many, the worst place they can be. The family will do everything they can, not because they care about the child, but because they get money for them. They change things on the surface. Get the child back and then they do exactly as they did before. I won’t describe the horrific things that occurred afterwards.

@mandychadwick6823

2 жыл бұрын

@@claudiapoe5292 ❤️‍🩹

@mandychadwick6823

2 жыл бұрын

I agree Lara.

@dianes5762

2 жыл бұрын

And then, I belive, killed for that Bratt Ty.

Her life story is truly heartbreaking

@jessethepersiankitty2377

Жыл бұрын

Very.

She’s not an,” It” Scott. Not cool

@TheBehaviorPanel

10 ай бұрын

Yes it is.

@onepilltwopillredpillbluepill

10 ай бұрын

Scott, its your sister. Im following you now 🙃

@Dpurple28

9 ай бұрын

@@TheBehaviorPanelwow disgusting

@Dpurple28

9 ай бұрын

Also why does anyone who disagrees with you calling her an it a person who automatically loves or likes serial killers, what a strange man

@PB66Benny-ms3gu

9 ай бұрын

Scott: Huge ego, no empathy…that’s a bit scary from what this panel has educated us about. It’s okay to feel empathy for people (not “its”) who were severely abused, which contributed to them turning into murderers (nurture), and still despise their acts of violence/murders. That’s called empathy and/or compassion. Also, he doesn’t call any of the male serial killers, “it”, which is what bothers me the most. The inability to take criticism is all about ego, and wreaks of narcissism. He should have just apologized and tried to understand where so many of us viewers were coming from (empathy), instead of refusing to self reflect and going on the attack. This is deeply troubling to me. I don’t believe that any of us here love, admire, or like serial killers. That’s just absurd. That’s called, “deflecting”.

There have been some very interesting feminist studies on Aileen. I encourage people to do some research. No one condones what she did, but the incredible damage she suffered and watched other women suffer at the hands of men I think separates her from the male serial killer. Male serial killers often have "mommy issues", but rarely suffered rapes and beatings by women - it's most often men who do these things. It's an interesting comparison.

@starquant

2 жыл бұрын

Well said.

@sabrinajacobs8743

2 жыл бұрын

Indeed. Scott is coming off very tone deaf in calling her "it". There are those who deserve to be called that, but Aileen's case is the exception.

@HadAHandle123

2 жыл бұрын

@@sabrinajacobs8743 Good call. I've watched many of BP videos - I don't think I've heard Scott call anyone "It" until now. Interesting it would be chosen for a woman serial killer. I think that's what the feminist studies and literature are about in this particular case; that men killing women is kinda par for the course, whereas when the tables are turned, it's beyond, beyond, beyond grotesque. I think these guys are facinating. I enjoy the respectful dialogue they share. However, I always take a minute to think - when it's a bunch of dudes talking about a woman's experience. Like, ah, hold on a sec... :)

@amaniahmed5481

2 жыл бұрын

This makes sense when it comes to the panel. They are all experts in their field, but I think the thing that escapes them is that they are not experts in certain people, especially women, who they don’t usually encounter in their line of work. For example, they REALLY missed the clear domestic violence in Gabby Petito’s case and concluded Brian was the victim. At least 90% of the panelists, including myself, could see how much they missed the mark on that one. This is why this case also eludes them.

@dawnb1063

2 жыл бұрын

@@HadAHandle123 Well....The behavior panel doesn't discuss the experience of women, they discuss the body language of an individual. There are documentaries, and even movies, about the famous killers, like this one, if you want to try to delve into the story arc of why, etc. The BP discusses the body language of an individual and uses their knowledge and experience to draw conclusions. Occasionally, they give their personal opinion on their channel, like you are giving your personal opinion in their comment section. You're gonna have a tough time if you're looking to find your personal experience in feminist literary theory- as women, like men, are individuals- not a monolithic block of uniform experiences.

The way Chase talks about the reality of what is going on is 100%. Dissociating, the delusions. That's what is happening. Her situation is absolutely devastating.

@Strange9952

2 жыл бұрын

Boo hoo poor psycho killer

Thank you for bringing light to her side, Chase. Not at all justifying her actions but understanding her life .

@pussygalore731

Жыл бұрын

Yes unlike Scot showing his misogynistic ways

Calling a tortured woman (who was also totaled as a child) an “IT” is completely out of line. I’m a big fan of all four of you but that crossed the line. My ex husband was a psychologist who worked in a private hospital for children who went through their younger years like Aileen. He had trouble listening to their stories at times but he never called them “IT”

@garyjones4321

4 ай бұрын

get over "it".

4 men scrutinizing a woman abused by men her entire life because they saw her as nothing more than an object, then one of these 'expert' men referring to her as "It"... WOW it does really take some level of audacity.

@lucyloo2520

2 жыл бұрын

Agree!! Scott Rouse ought to be ashamed of himself.

@factsmatter8667

2 жыл бұрын

So men can't critique a female serial killer? Psychopaths are "it." You are a misandrist. I'm sick of women claiming men can't analyze women, especially a raging serial killer.

@spiceshewrites

2 жыл бұрын

@@factsmatter8667 You missed the point of the comment in its entirety.

@flawedplan

2 жыл бұрын

@@factsmatter8667 Natural consequences. Hows this logic? IF a woman is NOT interfered with by hideous pigs THEN there will be no bloodletting.

@sarkahalastova9667

2 жыл бұрын

I applaud Chase for repeatedly putting it into perspective. I think he makes a great effort to prevent dehumanization.

I'm relieved I'm not the only woman who was disturbed when she was referred to as "it" and just a body running around with a real human inside of it... and then they go on to discuss how she horrible she was to dehumanize a rapist. It did strike me instantly as due to misogyny, and I wondered if the panel spoke the same way about male serial killers. Haven't watched very many of their shows, but other women's comments indicate that they don't. They also never make mention of the fact that there is a claim that her grandfather raped her and one of his friends got her pregnant.

@martyncraigbrown

2 жыл бұрын

Aa a male I don’t know what his motive is. Or if it is misogyny. It may just be contempt. But it’s unprofessional and pretty ugly IMO.

@lisac3002

2 жыл бұрын

Scott had a fever of 102*

@spiceshewrites

2 жыл бұрын

@@lisac3002 And? 6 days passed and he has NOT apologized. I think he meant every word.

@mcblaloc

2 жыл бұрын

AGREED. In order to properly and thoroughly analyze any interview given by a woman, especially one who had been knowingly victimized the way Aileen was, this panel needs to bring *a woman* on to give that perspective. I say this as a fan of this channel. The last thing the world needs is a group pf *white men* discussing and opining on the lived experiences of any woman. Ugh!

@AlyxCoe

2 жыл бұрын

@@spiceshewrites After the BP aired this, I realize that I haven't watched any of their videos. It was fun for awhile.

It's funny how people just say she "had" a baby at 14. Doesn't that mean that some guy out there had sex with a 13 year old girl? How about we try to find that guy? She didntjust miraculously spawn.

@bobnoble9442

7 ай бұрын

one of the guys that raped her are her brother. she had a shitty life.

@nikkirogers5991

4 ай бұрын

Great point.

I dont think she deserves to be called it

Such a sad and raw example of the ripple effects of an abusive and underprivileged childhood/life

@claudiapoe5292

2 жыл бұрын

What is more tragic is that things like this happen all of the time. When I was in college, I took a course in law enforcement. The detective talked about things happening in our local society. A man prostituted his elementary school daughters to pay for help on his property. A teenage prostitute defended her vocation as being good because she made more money in one night than the officer did in a week. So very sad.

@martyncraigbrown

2 жыл бұрын

@@claudiapoe5292 good grief. Parent of the year award. Thats horrific.

Don’t call her “it” Scott, there’s still a soul in her…

@gripplehound

2 жыл бұрын

Right. Lacks empathy.

@Versul1

2 жыл бұрын

Bwahaha!!!

@martyncraigbrown

2 жыл бұрын

Scotts has a shrunk a little after that comment though.

@tarawalsh-arpaia3928

2 жыл бұрын

Damned straight!

@kimmyfreak200

2 жыл бұрын

now u know why they can't "diagnose" people as psychopaths cuz of the stigma...they are seen as inhuman

Did abit of research on Aileen before watching this. She had a terrible childhood full of abuse and betrayal by the people who should have protected her. She used the only skill she thought she had, to make a living, and it appears that this is what she is proud of. She more or less begged to be given the death penalty as she was so done with it all. I’m not saying Aileen killing those men was justified. I’m saying that she shouldn’t be dehumanised now as she was during her childhood.

This is the only serial killer I've ever felt bad for. She had a sickening childhood with regular brutal beatings and forced incestuous relationships with her grandfather and brother whom she actually sickeningly fell in love with her brother, sick I know, and he died very young. She was literally left to sleep in the snow, no one would take her in out of the Michigan cold winters, even if it cost her her life. She moved to Florida, started hooking, got almost killed by a John one night, killed him out of self defense and something in her SNAPPED. I'm NOT condoning what she did, but from the moment she was born till the day she died, she was rejected by every person she pretty much ever came in contact with from the moment her eyes open to the moment they shut.

@nikkiplatt316

2 жыл бұрын

I think Mallory really did rape her. I think that’s when she snapped. After all she had been through, can you imagine continuing her regular “ hooking?”… she figured out it was easier to shoot and take their money. She justified it in her mind. She believed she was innocent. Due to mental status she should’ve gotten life without parole and I’m all for death penalty.

@justme-fw2ti

2 жыл бұрын

Go and read about topics like incest and Stockholm syndrome then you'll know for next time

@justme-fw2ti

2 жыл бұрын

Great comment

After reading about her life I have compassion for her. She had a very distorted view of the world but I believe we all would if we experienced her life.

@susiefoxy8130

Жыл бұрын

I agree, when she says about ‘friends’ she has a distorted view of what friends actually are, people paying her for sex are not friends, people living like she was and drinking and taking drugs together are not a good idea of what friends are. Poor woman, never really had anyone there for her!

@shirleymason3853

10 ай бұрын

Where did you read about it? I’m asking because I would like to read about it… I knew from the movie & a few things but not a complete accounting

@ellie698

10 ай бұрын

EXACTLY Amen 🙏

I was a chaplain for a homeless mission and worked with women. I witnessed what happens to women who have been sexually abused by close family members including fathers, brothers, uncles, and grandfathers. Many become overtly sexual which can include prostitution. Others completely hate men and turn to women for intimacy. The extent of the abuse increases the level of mental anguish and behavior. The environment in which this occurred can make it much worse if other abuses have occurred and continued to occur. When others in the family know about it and do nothing, the powerlessness is profound.

@mortalclown3812

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for leaving this comment...and for the work you do.

@tarawalsh-arpaia3928

2 жыл бұрын

@@mnash8007 Perfect observation, Perfect. That is recognised in both the sciences (psychology, psychiatry and others) and the law and victim support. This panel has no recognised area of expertise. None. But, in my profession, having dealt with so many victims of sexual abuse and violence I have always thought the same as you. So, I teach new people not to argue with a person if he/she self-blames at first. They are trying to regain control. They will get past that in their own time, however long it has to be.

Hyperfocus comes from the anger. And if I were her I'd be pissed* to.

Having watched & read everything I could about Aileen Wournos I have nothing but heartache for her. Her life growing up was so deeply traumatizing in brutal violence and neglect it put her outside of any normal structure of survival. She was alone, desperate, had never been loved, never knew decency and literally relied on animal instincts to survive. She did not have the capacity to be rational. I do not believe she was a 'serial killer' in the usual sense of the term. Yes she was a very dangerous and unpredictable person. There was only one person in her life who appeared to really care for her and that was a childhood friend. Other than that every single human she ever came across used and abused her. I also understand Aileen was dubbed 'the first female serial' killer partly because it was a convenient way to get rid of her and cover up for the johns who used her as a highway prostitute, undoubtedly the most dangerous of occupations where the incidents of savagery against working women is part and parcel of survival. The men who she killed were touted as fine upstanding family men. Aileen was insane, not competent to stand trial and certainly should never have been treated like a circus animal.

@inthewhispers

Жыл бұрын

um NO - not everyone she came in to contact with. She chose to only stay in contact with people that wouldn't disapprove of her actions and in fact killed people that didn't even use her as a prostitute, let alone abuse her. No she shouldn't have been treated as a circus animal, but she CHOSE to rob and murder people long after she left her abusive childhood behind. There's no excuse for cold blood murder.

@conniewills4941

Жыл бұрын

What all she went through would make anybody insane.

Chase, I appreciate your compassion and professionalism.

@37kilocharlie

2 жыл бұрын

I appreciate his referencing peer reviewed studies 👍🏼

@rickwrites2612

2 жыл бұрын

His analysis of her pride in being able to take control and become a teenage independent prostitute, rather than be pimped or submit to rape and abuse is very astute. She is proud of her toughness, courage, initiative and self-reliance.

I really admire how after all those years in the army and in this job Chase didn't get jaded about the human part of the story. And he is always there to bring it back to the picture, whether it's the suffering of the victims or the perpetrators. He might have his opinion about the person and sometimes expresses it clearly (about Chris Watts "I will not say his name") but he never de-humanizes them.

@michellekingsbury8439

Ай бұрын

I am curious about Chase’s upbringing and influenced only because of how they seem to have led to such un-toxic masculinity and an empathetic, thoughtful intelligent strong man.

I read biographies on her life and it made me cry. She was a tragic lost soul and completely lost the plot. I feel so anyway. She's full of vigilante rage. The film Monster was really good however I've never felt comfortable referring to anyone as a monster. People do monstrous things.

I feel compassion for her, I grew up in orphanages and most of the kids I knew are dead, in rehabs or jail. Over 90% of prostitutes have been sexually abused and act out their abuse. I got into a 12step programme and that gave me a map, first chance at life. I hope her suffering is over. When your raised that way the true self must die and a false, survival self is born. She didn't kill all her 'tricks' and I understand that she thought she was protecting others by killing violent men. Xx

@binniparis8024

10 ай бұрын

Scott - rape is murder, part of you dies that can never be reclaimed. A spiritual, psychological murder that you relive and relive, in your dreams, for the rest of your life. Xx

This one makes me really sad…all that childhood trauma is so obvious. 🥲 Credit to Chase for bringing the psychology and also to Greg for reminding us of her tragic story. I see real bias elsewhere… so old and tired to point and laugh. Oldest trade in the world.. kept in business mostly by the same guys who might point and stare.

I studied Aileen for yrs. The case fascinated me immediately. The clip you saw, when you all thought maybe she was drugged, she wasn’t. She had always refused medication. Aileen had been on death row for 7 yrs, she was in a legal battle with the state of Fl, to forgo her remaining appeals and be put to death. The state held hearing trying to determine if she was sane to make the decision. Get this, 3 forensic phycologist stated she was sane! She won, was able to wave her remaining appeal’s and Gov Bush signed her death warrant. Her childhood friend that was with her during this time told the reporter she was terrified her chance to go to the death chamber would be prolonged if she didn’t make a confession of cold blooded murder. She wanted out and the only way was to die. So what you are actually seeing,” at least in her mind” is her telling a lie. Her childhood was horrible in every way. Raped at 13 by her grandfather’s friend got pregnant as a result, she was sent away to have the baby and placed it for adoption. Her grandmother died when she was 14 she was beaten and raped by the grandfather until he kicked her out. Neighborhood childhood friends say she lived in the woods until she hit the road at 16. It’s a sad but fascinating case. There are a few good documentaries you should watch. I believe the 1st one was tape, it caused her to snap lose all touch with reality and went on a murder spree.

@bereal6590

2 жыл бұрын

Spot on, Mark is shite Scott crap chase is the only reasonable one. Your analysis is spot on✋✌👏👏

@kellysims5732

Жыл бұрын

Good investigating. I feel 😪 very sorry for her and her victims. I believe that her neighbors should have reported her grandfather. We all have a responsibility to look after one another!!!!! I truly believe that. But times were different back then. What is done in darkness should be brought to the light! May no child suffer anymore!

It is so frustrating that this second video is being watched and discussed completely out of context-Wuornos changed her story after spending many years on death row to expedite her execution and bypass many more years of appeals. This documentary is a second installment from the same filmmaker and has a direct agenda. In his first documentary, he attempted to show the systematic abuse that made Wuornos into a killer and now, as Wuornos is denying her previous defense in order to die, the filmmaker was attempting to use the footage to show her as mentally incompetent to make that decision. When watching the documentary in full and witnessing her despair, it’s clear that this is a last ditch effort to have some control over her existence.

@CT2507

2 ай бұрын

Interesting info, but the evaluation you make is kinda your own opinion.

@irinanovak1659

2 ай бұрын

​@@CT2507 Nicht Broomfield docu The making of the Killer. Go watch it.

She is the only serial killer that I feel deep sympathy for. I think she sees her abusers in the face of every man she killed, which is how she can justify her actions. I think all she wanted was to be accepted and loved. Very sad.

@tamararutland-mills9530

Жыл бұрын

I think she saw abusers in every man’s face.

"It"? Really, Scott? What happened to "We don't judge, we don't diagnose, all we do is read body language/behavior and look for deviations that show red flags" I've watched every TBP video and while there have been times when I thought one or another of the guys have missed the mark, or I've had a differing opinion, this is the only time I've ever had a WTF did he just say moment. I had such high hopes for ya'll covering this case, because she was so very complex. While I believe that Aileen never should have be released, she was negated her entire life and by reducing her to an "it" you've added to it, even after her death.

@sengoma8638

2 жыл бұрын

I don't believe them whenever they make that disclaimer. Just the fact that you're giving your opinion removed objectivity for me.

@karinsykes3900

2 жыл бұрын

Thankyou for your comment. I agree completely. I am disgusted by there analysis. Time for them to bring in at least one female expert. Preferably use her to replace scott rouse (lack of capital letters intentional)

@gripplehound

2 жыл бұрын

Vote with your feet and unsubscribe ladies. You can also comment on their Twitter post, which is what I’ve done.

@Sara-2022

2 жыл бұрын

I wonder if you would feel the same and defend these actions if it was a man who murdered women because he had suffered terribly in childhood…... She admitted in the end she murdered to rob the men, it wasn’t self Defense. I feel a lot of empathy for her as a child but imagine it was your son or husband who she preyed upon! V scary and sadly prison was the best place for her…

@Sara-2022

2 жыл бұрын

And respectfully you don’t have to be in this group of you don’t like that it’s all men 🤷‍♀️

Chase nailed it. I appreciate the introduction of the impacts of past and continued trauma. Not a pass for what she did, but if there is going to be a discussion, it has to include all the variables for why she did it, not just am attack on a woman who lived a horrible life at the hands of others. Hence the reason it's important to include it in the narrative. Understanding trauma and mental health is paramount if we care about prevention and intervention for those exposed to trauma and violence from childhood.

I’ve always felt so sorry for Aileen wournos after learning her story. This woman went through a living hell from the moment she came into this world until the day she left .

@dongatello6969

Жыл бұрын

I haven’t, many people experience trauma throughout their childhoods and very rarely do they become like this. Trauma is no excuse for murder.

@mvv700

Жыл бұрын

​@@dongatello6969 Of course it's not. But I feel more empathy for someone like her who went through what she went through and felt reason to do what she did. Definitely because it's highly likely (I think) that the guys did try to come onto her violently. There's a ton of prostitutes in countries (where it's legal) with a call for more protection as these things do happen much more than they should. Now imagine where it's illegal and a prostitute essentially can't go to the police to report a crime. Rapists feel pretty safe to take advantage of less fortunate women that take to the streets. And I don't feel much empathy for the men she killed IF they really tried to rape her. Is it wrong? Yep. But understandable. It's the same as if someone kills your child horrifically and you go out of your way to kill the killer. Is it wrong? Yep. But understandable. Either way I'm pretty neutral on this case since I don't know too much about it apart from what I read in the comments. For me it's simple, if she speaks truth I can feel empathy regardless of the lives she took psychopath or not. Otherwise nope.

@dongatello6969

Жыл бұрын

@@mvv700 I don’t think it’s at all the same as a parent going after someone who did something awful to their child. Guess we just have different takes.

chase seemed to be the only one who got it right

I don’t condone what she did but I’ve always felt pity and compassion For this woman.

@martyncraigbrown

2 жыл бұрын

I hear ya. And great nick

Aileen's story is heartbreaking. To have a childhood of horrors, have a baby at 14 and forced to place that baby up for adoption. No one was there for her, her emotional development was never nutured. I am not surprised she snapped and started killing. Although she claims to enjoy the sex, I think sex would have been emotionally painful for her. She is a story where every adult let her down. Not excusing her behaviour but seems as though she was too broken to come back to reality.

@flowerpower8722

2 жыл бұрын

One good thing was she was forced (by whom, I wonder?) to give the baby up for adoption. Goodness knows what would have happened to the poor thing.

@MsKristiansen

2 жыл бұрын

@@flowerpower8722 how old would that baby be today?

@martyncraigbrown

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah but... why not Life with out parole. They could have been the first men in her miserable life to give her a chance, albeit behind bars. Non-atheists... still a believer?

@danielelindsey2213

2 жыл бұрын

@@martyncraigbrown I still believe, not by choice, preference, upbringing, or convenince. By conviction. Likely, same as you. And I often wonder, how do we know what we really believe? I think the actions of loving, moral people show by action their true belief in spite of any intellectual consent otherwise. God is love.

"she was calling child r%%ists piles of puke". Yeah, what's wrong with that? The main problem of society is that it lets human waste, like she mentioned, to exist.

@barrymaxwell3487

Жыл бұрын

He explained why she uses those words, did he justify it?? No....

The world created and raised her with abuse, poverty, chronic loneliness also forcing her to live in survival mode and then punished her for it! so many people failed her, and it disgusts me to be human,

@CT2507

2 ай бұрын

Yes, so naturally she is a victim. None of it is her own fault, and of course she has the right to kill no good sex clients and rob them. Lol... I only see women defending her on this video. You all got some serious issues to work on if you can justify her killings.

@irinanovak1659

2 ай бұрын

​@@CT2507and you hate her just because you hate women.

I feel so sorry for her. She never stood a chance. Killing is unforgivable, but some of the things she had endured and lived with; is unfathomable. Poke a dog long enough and it will bite you. She had been tortured both physically and mentally all her life. Whilst I know that there are sadly many many women out here that have/are being treated the same, and they haven't killed... that doesn't mean I don't feel for each of them too. Poor woman never stood a chance to be a normal, respectable member of society because nobody ever loved her. SAD!

@Versul1

2 жыл бұрын

And you know this because she said so? LMAO

@foekist7312

2 жыл бұрын

@@Versul1 Don?

@Versul1

2 жыл бұрын

@@foekist7312 LMAO

@martyncraigbrown

2 жыл бұрын

@@foekist7312 ignore him, the don is not *real* mafia and is just trying to wind you up. We should leave a horses head on his head for revenge.

@coraldawn7201

2 жыл бұрын

It's heartwrenching knowing that she has just known badness & hurt seen it, Wow can't phathom it

The comment about the males may or may not have been bad people astounds me. When a person purchases another person it automatically tells me they are a bad person. This woman was abused by men her whole life. Maybe we need to look at men who buy other humans for sex in our society. Why do men do this. This poor woman became who she is from years of abuse. The men that bought her for sex are just as evil as she was. Why isn't anyone acknowledging that?

@gripplehound

2 жыл бұрын

I’m acknowledging this in my comments and completely agree with you Julie. We’re not going to get that perspective from 4 men though eh???

@stacyjaye6350

2 жыл бұрын

They literally threw her out of the house when she was like 13, and she lived in the woods outside in Michigan, in the suburb next to the one I'm from. That's how she got to Florida, from freezing sleeping outside. Her story was beyond sad. Not excusing her, sorry for the victims. Don't come at me peeps.

@gripplehound

2 жыл бұрын

@@stacyjaye6350 She’s an abuse survivor who got angry and they’re calling her an “it”. It’s revolting language. You can imagine them blaming a woman for getting raped because her skirt was too short. Woeful lack of awareness from them.

Watching this women makes me feel profoundly sad, unlike how I feel when watching other perpetrators on this show. She was a very damaged, abused person who, in my opinion , just went off the rails. Very sad all the way around for her and her victims.

Why does she make me so sad? She hurt so many people..but she was also so viciously harmed when she was so little…she was so smart and her life was derailed before it even started and she made horrific decisions…she just makes me so sad.

Dehumanize: (transitive verb) to divest of human qualities or personality Example #1, Aileen Wuornos: "He's a piece of puke." Example #2, Scott Rouse: "She's an 'it.' "

@nicks3350

2 жыл бұрын

@Thubie Tubie I think it’s because Scott has very little time for bad people. He often stops himself when he’s talking about bad/evil people.

@thefreesandwich

2 жыл бұрын

Conflate: to confuse by making dissimilar things appear similar.

Not saying that rapists SHOULD be killed, but prostitutes do really get raped ALL the time. Wournos is justified in attacking the families of rapists (if indeed they were) for loyally defending them. It's very hard for us men to step into women's shoes in this issue. You may want to watch 20 or 30 Soft White Underbelly interviews of prostitutes to hear what they experience- and those are the ones who have not been killed....yet.

@crowmedicine3890

2 жыл бұрын

I watch Soft White Underbelly also. It's tragic what people do to one another. And hearing these people's stories, and witnessing their pain, gives you empathy for people you never thought you could.

@crowmedicine3890

2 жыл бұрын

I watch Soft White Underbelly also. It's tragic what people do to one another. And hearing these people's stories, and witnessing their pain, gives you empathy for people you never thought you could.

@iconc1402

2 жыл бұрын

Soft white underbelly is fantastic. Hope people go and watch it.

@kayleighjones6464

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for this comment. I've been trying to find just one.

Research her childhood. Find out what was done to her on a REGULAR basis… why TF does anyone think she is going to turn out normal??? And none of us would turn out normal if we had lived her life.

@ladybugz463

Жыл бұрын

I completely agree. I can't really find all the words, but I think you probably know. These men who just wanted to use her were just like her dad and they weren't fit to live in her eyes.

@char2304

Жыл бұрын

Exactly, her story is heart breaking

@candycigarette7202

Жыл бұрын

they......literally say how horrendous her childhood was? They recommend looking into it to get a greater understanding. who are you getting mad at here?

@micheledematteis2072

Жыл бұрын

​@@candycigarette7202 Chase said it briefly. Not "They".

Funny to hear the panel speak so much on how she dehumanizes her victims when talking about them, right after one of the panel (Scott) declares her non human and he was going to refer to her as “it” for the rest of the video. (Though he didn’t do that as far as I noticed.)

@megathorn4307

3 ай бұрын

thank you for that. scott pissed me off. greg isn't far behind. i say that because i've watched them evaluate two women in the last week and they teeter on misogyny

@irinanovak1659

2 ай бұрын

​@@megathorn4307most of the conservative men hates prostitutes

@mb-vf3qb

2 ай бұрын

They r men tho. They all stick together. This woman had understandable anger against men..a case of a product of her hellish upbringing. Hope she is at peace.

Not defending her actions, but ... childhood abuse changes a person in every aspect of life. The body keeps living but the soul dies, in a manner of speaking.

@vegan_guac

2 жыл бұрын

True that it changes people, but there are thousands of people who have been abused as children,who don't choose to continue the cycle of abuse

@MissBeeeBeee

2 жыл бұрын

@@vegan_guac Can you please share the source(s) of this information (i.e., that thousands do not continue the cycle of abuse)?? Is this a summary of findings from peer-reviewed articles (or any other type of article), conjecture, or your opinion?? If there are articles about this that you can share (most notably if they contain statistics of the cycle of abuse), I am interested in reading those.

@vegan_guac

2 жыл бұрын

@@MissBeeeBeee if you simply looked at the statics of abused and trafficked children vs the serial killer statistics, as one in the video, your common sense and basic reading skills will show you exactly that.

@vegan_guac

2 жыл бұрын

@@MissBeeeBeee especially numbers of women serial killers that have ever existed are extremely low considering that 1 in 3 women experience abuse. If your little theory was even close to being correct, we'd have 1in 3 serial killers running around.

@MissBeeeBeee

2 жыл бұрын

@@vegan_guac What????? Sorry, but are you responding to someone else’s comment?? All I asked was for you to share articles that show statistics of what you are talking about. ??????? I am completely confused here.

This is one of those sad cases where the child who was abused, became so angry over a long period of time of abuse, seared their own conscious. As Scott continued to iterate is that she was a created psychopath. It seems so typical with some killers or just abused turning into abusers. Chase made so many great points during this analysis. Everyone did great but Chase had some wonderful empathic insight. I love watching you guys because I learn so much, thanks.

@flowerpower8722

2 жыл бұрын

I think it might be vengeance motivated on some level, like getting her father every time in her mind. I don't know for sure but little children may be perfectly safe around her. Not that I would like to put that thought to the test,

@lochamb1234

2 жыл бұрын

I agree absolutely Hey Boo Boo. I found Chase's understanding towards her original childhood of horrors very telling of the man he is.....Mark??

Poor woman was made mentally unwell by the lifelong , from birth , way she was used ,abused,unloved and treated like an IT her whole sad life . These smart arse dills thinking were part of her poor ,miserable downfall. She should have lived out her life in a mental hospital. And those men killed were plain dirty.

Frankly, I share her contempt for the interviewer. She accepts the stipulation of rape, then says, “but you don’t blow them away…” Yes, you f’ing do.

@inthewhispers

Жыл бұрын

Yeah except Aileen didn't fucking do that. She was lying through her teeth. Some of the people she killed didn't even know she WAS a prostitute, let alone use her services and definitely didn't abuse her. And so someone does something immoral or completely terrible and wrong, means that you should stoop to their level?? An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.

I read in her Wikipedia that she hated being on death row and wanted to die, so then claimed she killed in cold blood (as a way to expedite the execution I believe). Whole thing is terribly sad.

@angelheart9173

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Janet. I don’t think you can be a good LEO without compassion. The good ones have it 😊

@ginabattz9716

2 жыл бұрын

Absolutely.

You guys need to stop trying to analyze traumatised women. You don't get it and you never will because you are all too arrogant when it comes to these women.

@moniquelefebvre4798

2 жыл бұрын

agree

@BuddhatheRockstar

2 жыл бұрын

Flexing the male EGO.

@Jinxi928

2 жыл бұрын

Agree... There were so much more accepting and forgiving with guys like Ramirez or Watts

She's far from being a monster than male serial killers, i think the ones that lable her a monster identify with the johns

Chase's observations are so incisive here. He's the only one that appears to put himself in her shoes for a moment and set judgement aside long enough to see where she might have gotten her mentality from, which is where the real answers are. Strong impartial insight and I'd say this is his style of analysis in general. Empathy can be typecast as a quality that's too "woo," illogical or sensitive but when employed, gives viewpoints that can't be reached through cold analysis. I really appreciate his willingness to express his thoughts despite the stolid reception from other panelists in this particular episode. I'm not saying she should be celebrated for killing anyone but it's understandable why/how she did imo. Other murderers have been forgiven and released, others still do so on a regular basis without remorse or repercussions on a larger scale so there's that. Edit: re: the 1st point in the video I don't think her not naming the acts is deception or lying but distancing/compartmentalizing which Chase astutely references at 33:22. She's clearly traumatized so indirectly referring to them allows her to maintain her composure, it distances her from the experience rather than being in it. 31:47 is ironic commentary given the way most of the panel dehumanizes her. Amazing.

She had been abused by men all her life..she never had a chance..i fell very sorry for her

@Strange9952

2 жыл бұрын

Poor baby psycho killer 😫

@tarawalsh-arpaia3928

2 жыл бұрын

She had PTSD.

I’m encouraged to see so many mature comments from people able to separate the behaviour from the person and recognise that whilst her crimes were abhorrent, they were the predictable result of her tragic life. I would challenge anyone not to end up as Aileen did after suffering years of abuse and torture. I hope she has found peace in death.

@headrickwife

10 ай бұрын

In fact, there ARE many many people that endure similar situations, yet they turn out okay. Although, it would have made a lot more sense if these men would have looked at it from all directions and maybe added a woman or two to their lineup.

@audreyblackmon8413

9 ай бұрын

Why isn’t there a woman in this panel

@ruthd7274

5 ай бұрын

​@@headrickwife do they turn out OK? Really? Your comment seems a little simplistic to me.

She should not have been killed in jail. Her story was so important and we deserved to hear more of her stories and learn from them. If she had a mental illness.....do we just erase people like that? Good or Evil is not the issue. Yes, keep her in jail, she was a killer. And she was someone who suffered all of her life. And now she is gone.

She was abused and terrorized from the time she could walk. Aileen wasn't a monster. She was heartbreakingly broken. And I'm pretty sure she developed that tough exterior because she had to. Psychopaths typically don't feel shame; if she truly felt no shame she wouldn't have made such an effort to hide her murders from her partner. Imo but if indeed she was a psychopath, she wasn't born one.

@charissa6648

2 жыл бұрын

Respectfully, she was a monster, because she felt shame and knew what she was doing was evil. There is no justification for the depravity of her actions. I know people whose lives would make hers look like Disneyland. I am serious. They never became serial killers or ended the lives of 7 men. She had an opportunity to fight the real abuser her grandfather, and turn him in. Instead, she became worse than the monster who helped create her. Her lack of regard for human life is utterly despicable! She is manipulative and attempting to justify why she is a cold blooded murderer.

@sallyfeschuk5771

2 жыл бұрын

@@charissa6648 in the 70s girls didn't just turn their abusers in, esp when the abusers were their fathers and grandfathers. Respectfully keep in mind that two of the men she killed had viciously raped and tortured her. In those days prostitutes were considered to be the lowest off the low. They didn't have titles like sex worker the way they do today. And I agree with one thing she said: rape is (sometimes sic) worse than murder. It's the killing of one's soul and heart. Those men had no business raping. Sorry but I have no sympathy for rapists. None

@coraldawn7201

2 жыл бұрын

I saw a softer side of Aileen. She's just not going to let her guard down for no one. Not Even Maybe!! If she does she probably thinks she'll shatter that could never happen to her its a shame when a person can't be happy sleeping with 1 eye open, (as the saying goes)

@coraldawn7201

2 жыл бұрын

What's really despisingly & utterly wicked is these men were her targets because of her childhood background. Nowadays there is so much mental health out there.

@dynodon331

2 жыл бұрын

@@coraldawn7201 Perchance you mean mental illness, not mental health. If only there were "so much mental health..."

Seems a misstep here. AW was trauma in a human body, with fully dissolved mental health at life’s end. That should fully inform reading her behaviours.

@flawedplan

2 жыл бұрын

You win the thread. So well-spoken. The best comments usually end up buried, which is why I read all 3,600.

@ragingzim

2 жыл бұрын

@@flawedplan 😊 thank you.

She went thru so more than the often trivial childhood issues faced by many male serial killers. Not a sadistic torturer as with male murderers.

I would imagine that anyone that went through what she did from a young age would have an affected mental state. It's always easier for those who haven't walked a mile in someone else's shoes to make judgements. None of us know what we'd do had we been subjected to the severe abuse she went through. Don't just look at the ending, take her whole life experience into consideration to what lead up to her end.

Wow. This was legitimately the only video I could not watch through. Scott showed a lot of bias in this video from the beginning.

@marenzita71

2 жыл бұрын

I thought so too, Mark at the end was very biased as well…

@tarawalsh-arpaia3928

2 жыл бұрын

Not surprising. He usually does.

I understood that you guys were objective and not judgemental. No one should be called an “it”. I would be interested in her thyroid levels. As an endocrinologist, I saw inmates who were hyperthyroid and believe this had a major effect on their behavior.

@pimlico3225

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed and good point about the thyroid. Her eyes are quite pronounced here.

I always appreciate Chase's input on childhood disassociation.

It’s apparent that some of the panelists have less of an ability to relate to abuse, abuse that goes past your average abusive father uncle and an unavailable mother. Honestly, I’d find it more shocking had Aileen not become a killer. To her it must have seemed a kill or be killed jungle, take what you can when you can. Horrid choices, but how would she make good choices, never having seen any being made on her behalf or for her and see the effects. You stick with what you can know for the most part. Hence how do many choose the very type of abuser so many try to get away from. The insensitivity of this panel to what has made Aileen is surprising and a major disappointment. I thought this group of experts would have done better on that point.

@kayleeseuss9615

2 жыл бұрын

Please remember that the panel’s job isn’t to justify or disqualify why the subject did their crime or why they made certain choices, they are here to simply point out displays of deception and teach us as viewers how to spot deception in people around us.

@daniellesandal461

2 жыл бұрын

@@kayleeseuss9615 Chase is 100% giving a foundation of WHY she's doing what she's doing, as in -- he's speaking of her past; not simply interpreting deception.

@muttleyjones2

2 жыл бұрын

@@kayleeseuss9615 Well said and completely correct. The panel do not give opinions on right and wrong or why a person is a certain way, that's not why they are here.

@Chrisy0850

Жыл бұрын

@@muttleyjones2 but in this case they failed, at least scott

@muttleyjones2

Жыл бұрын

@@Chrisy0850 Perhaps I should have said, "The panel should not give opinions on right and wrong." Then again it's their show, I guess they can do whatever they want.

Mark said "if she had power". That's what you don't understand, she didn't have power and had never had power throughout her whole life and that is why she is what she is or was. Just trying to find ownership of her life and self with little understanding of how the world works.

I just want to say Scott's always the one who says, we're in the middle we don't care like that country whom I can't spell. It was made quite clearby Greg this woman had a vile life. Her ability for empathy, morality, plus she was excluded from normal sexual experience or to be a mother to a baby she had taken away. How could anyone develop any normal reactions in the awful setting? She had a baby at 14, she was a child and should have been protected. It's very sad but IT? she was human and no doubt had suffered, emotionally, responsibility and morally.

I worked in the sex industry for 12 years and I can tell you that 80% of men I dealt with were abusive and disrespectful. I don’t think 99% of those guys deserve to die over it. But I can tell you if someone was brutally SA they could snap and just not be able to take any abuse and disrespect anymore. She could not be able to decipher who is going to take it all the way and who won’t. A lot of men get off on treating you like a piece of crap in that industry, like you are lower than them even though they are there wanting it.

@mckenna5685

2 жыл бұрын

She admitted to robbing them and killing them to eliminate the witness

@juliavoortman6496

2 жыл бұрын

@@mckenna5685 She told the interviewer it was all lies after the cameras were off, that she had indeed killed in self defence, and that she wanted to be executed sooner.

What Mark is saying at around 40: 12 is completely wrong. What she was saying was the amount of men she interacted with increased her exposure to rapists because of the odds! The more men you're around, the greater the chance of encountering rapists. I don't understand how he got that so wrong, unless he wasn't listening.

@PanzyMistress

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for pointing that out! I was confused by Mark's misunderstanding, and that no one else corrected him! I refuse to believe men and women communicate on completely different levels.