Being a Muslim , I find many common grounds between Muslims and Jews. I pray that they live in peace side by side fore ever. Thanks for the very informative lecture and wish that other Muslims listen to them to appreciate the content and to get enlightened. God bless you.

@tvmystery261

5 жыл бұрын

because islam copies judaism. fake religion

@ShalomYal

5 жыл бұрын

Free your heart from hate - I loved to hear from a Muslim who is interested in knowledge and friendship. Art I do not know is you are a muslim or a christian - But man - give up on your hate @Art clover

@ShalomYal

5 жыл бұрын

@@tvmystery261 Seriously - ALL religions build upon the cultures and religions of the past . Judaism has many elements of other near eastern cultures and Christianity uses lots of Jewish ideas and in fact steals half of its bible from the Jews and yes Islam is clearly a result of Judaism, christianity and of the local pagan culture - SO?

@ShalomYal

5 жыл бұрын

Peace be with you - continue to study - listen and learn. Send links to these lectures to your muslim friends - Shalom - Salam

@johnrichards9361

5 жыл бұрын

As a person with common sense proven history which is in doubt about the authenticity of both religions let alone Christianity but you can bring that in as well all being based on Sumerian Greek ancient Egypt adopting Pagan religions practices which they've all done to get more convert to appease a population 2 conversion all making a mockery have their own beliefs and not following such changing Doctrine as they go to fit their needs if it was so absolute none of the above would be appropriate or need it but I have only one wish all three of them would just go away all responsible combined for a belief in superiority 99 percent evolved Wars and genocides level one with sexual perversions they're all a little crazy when it comes to that it's just sickening stuff they do can anybody with a moral aptitude would never accept their ways into their life it would not have to be scared into doing moral and just things in their life with the threat of damnation to hold them accountable because all three offer forgiveness for such hideous actions religion is for the feeble-minded weak in morals and restraint but I must say I can't wait till Santa Claus comes the Easter Bunny hops down the trail free presents and chocolate that's my moral weakness candy I guess you got to believe in something or you'll fall for anything and what something to fall for something that has a track record of control an evil Deeds all in the name of God sorry folks it's all buncha man-made criteria to control the masses and govern them

I have a great story to tell. After my dad passed away, I started looking into his family. Turns out thru him, I'm a descendant of Catarina de Orta, sister of Garcia De Orta. They were expelled from Spain in 1942 then took refugee in Portugal where they were forcibly converted by decree in 1497. The de Orta family then moved to Goa, India. García de Orta was a fabulous doctor and served viceroys and sultans, and died before the Inquisition got him in 1568... His sister and my ancestor was not and she was burned for Judaism in 1525. After that the family left to Amsterdam where they could practice their religion. From there to the Caribbean, Curacao, Venezuela, Colombia where I'm from. Is all documents. Crazy history!

@HenryAbramsonPhD

3 жыл бұрын

Fascinating!

@beeinthebodytorahclass2002

6 ай бұрын

Thank Adonai for revealing the truth! ❤

@FelonyVideos

4 ай бұрын

My brother in laws family was jewish and from Couracao. They financed the government massively. Perhaps there is a link between us?

@dimitarmihaylov451

Ай бұрын

M

Delightful to listen to a natural teacher.

Thank you for all of your wonderful lectures. All of my four surnames are Sephardic and my family left Spain for the New World back in the 18th century yet my mothers family still retains many Jewish customs, such as cooking latkes (my favorite) , resting on Saturdays instead of Sundays and my mother was even fortunate enough to have a job where she had Saturdays off , something that the Jewish bakery she ended up working in let her keep (to be fair, everyone had Saturday off there) and other small traditions that looking back, are Jewish. I am now trying to reclaim my ancestor's beliefs along with my partner. He has lent me some volumes of the Talmud and I'm reading the Tan'ach on my own and pray my Sephardic Siddur. The idea is to convert to Orthodox in the future, Gd willing. Your lectures have been a large part of my journey and I always enjoy watching and learning , and enjoy all the jokes. I laugh out loud, yes even at the Chinese kosher restaurant in 1850s California (Because I'm writing a novel on my hometown's history in SoCal). The history is so well researched and I wish this is the history taught in schools over the very innacurate one I learned back in grade and high school. Thank you once again and Baruch Hashem

Thank you very much Henry, certainly you are a gifted teacher with a great sense of humour too. I enjoyed learning about Jewish history.

@HenryAbramsonPhD

Жыл бұрын

I'm so glad that you enjoyed the class! Thank you for your kind words!

I learned so much. So glad that the timing of my watching is actually almost exactly at the same time you recorded last year soI can hear and learn more about this time of year as it is happening.

Thank you for your excellent lectures. Just to clarify, Dr Abramson misspoke at about the 30 minute mark. It was the Abbasids who overthrew the Umayyad Caliphate in 748-750 CE (he inadvertently switched the two). Abd al Rahman I escaped after the rest of the Umayyad dynastic family were executed and went on to establish his own governorship in al-Andalus.

I’m not Jewish, but I enjoy your lectures. Very informative.

@CaptainHarlock-kv4zt

5 жыл бұрын

Me too ! (i'm Greek)

@karenabrams8986

5 жыл бұрын

Me three. 👍

@karenabrams8986

5 жыл бұрын

I’m trying to get my head around the history and basics of this long and very storied religion.

@johnbeaubien8826

5 жыл бұрын

same here! this is terribly interesting (I'm Mohawk)

@michelleg7

4 жыл бұрын

I love Dr. Abramson’s lectures too. I’m not Jewish although I have Sephardic ancestors, I like hearing their history.

Dr Abramson, your lectures has piqued my curiosity on not only history in general, but in understanding more about us. A dank!

Amaizing class. You're such an important teacher for the Jewish people. Keep up with the good work!

@HenryAbramsonPhD

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

Thank you for the lecture. The two first videos were so delightful to watch.

I really appreciate learning from you.

Dear Doctor, I ALWAYS love your lectures . Thank you.

When I watch your videos, I watch them all the way through. Excellent material. Thank you.

@AlexColvinace

6 жыл бұрын

How nice of you to respond. You are providing a great service. Your lectures are entertaining and informative. I especially enjoy the way you provide a balanced view of the relations of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam.

Sam Vaknin, a sephardic jew, has two lectures which really resonate with some of the key themes of this lecture by Dr. Abramson. "Nationalism vs. Patriotism" and "the narcissism of small differences". I found both lectures and this one to be terribly enlightening. Thank you for your scholarship and the integrity contained therein. Godspeed. ✌️😊

I love your videos as I said I am about 25% Sephardic and my Sephardic ancestors came to America in the early years of the 18th Century. My Mum was however Ashkenazi.

@PC-lu3zf

6 жыл бұрын

Henry Abramson I’ll try and watch thank you:)

@HenryAbramsonPhD

2 жыл бұрын

It is so great to learn about our roots.

Shalom Dr. Abramson and a belated Happy New Year to you and yours. I love this topic!

Love your two lectures on this subject so far and plan to attend a few if possible. Your material is well researched and presented in an entertaining format.I am part of a very large Sephardic community here in Brooklyn and there has never been a series taught to cover such a large scope of our history in such an orderly fashion. Hatima Tova.

Your series and lectures are excellent. I look forward to them and often send them to others. Keep them up!

Thank U thank U thank U Dr. Abramson! I am a Sufi Muslim woman, born and raised in Canada, and I am absolutely loving listening to your lectures. Tamara

@tammijatti9164

5 жыл бұрын

❤️✡️🙏🏾☪️❤️

@tammijatti9164

5 жыл бұрын

Henry Abramson Yes Sir! I certainly will do that! ❤️ Tammi

@tammijatti9164

5 жыл бұрын

Henry Abramson I do have a request though, and it may be completely out of the realm of possibilities, but I’ll never know unless I ask, right? I am of Punjabi background, and I converted into Islam from a fairly nominal Hindu background. I know that there are very old links between the Jewish people, and the Hindu people, which, of course, I still am by peoplehood. It would be amazing to learn more about that interaction through history. Have you got any lectures about the Jewish people on the subcontinent, by any chance? I could be wrong, but I think that most South Asian Jews have considered themselves to be Mizrahi.

This lecture means a lot to me because my ancestors were Sephardic Jews. Thank you so much!

Thank you. I cannot understand why the average attention span for your lectures is only 20 minutes. Once I start watching one of them I stay put until the very end. I am going to share this video with Salaam Shalom group (Facebook) because we all need to know that there have been periods of history when Jews and Muslims were able to coexist harmoniously. So if it happened before, surely it can happen again, if we want it to.

@RoseOzera22

6 жыл бұрын

Colonialism destroyed that peaceful period between Muslims and Jews

@edandmer62

5 жыл бұрын

Subatomic Light can you please explain . How and when this happen.

@user-hk7qu8gi6n

Жыл бұрын

כבדהו וחשדהו.

Most interesting that the golden era of Judaism was under the protection of an Islamic ruler.

@davidleahy3972

6 жыл бұрын

I'm still perplexed by the way Judaism is a religon, but "Jews" claim also to be a race who are entitled to the "promised land". Many Rabbinical Jews are anti-zionists.

@ytyt3922

6 жыл бұрын

David Leahy most Jews have ethnoracial connections due to lack of incoming converts of intermarriage. Anybody can convert to Judaism but the fact is that very few people do (it’s a long tedious process and most of history it was a religion of outcasts, so who would join it willingly?) and therefore most current Jews are ethnically related. Therein explains the religion-race debate. As for modern Israel - like any sovereign nation it can decide its own immigration policy. If it wants to allow Jews to gain citizenship, that’s its prerogative.

@guydellagi4372

3 жыл бұрын

@@davidleahy3972 race???? We identify as a nation a culture a tribe. Turks are also a federation of tribes, so are thr chechens, the iranians, the list goes on.

@dogbert52

2 жыл бұрын

Whats more golden about it then today?

@archivalfootage1

2 ай бұрын

@@dogbert52 The people actually practiced their faith and the Muslims actually understood their religion. Modern Muslims were just as swayed by demagoguery as Western societies and in many ways turned their back on their faith in favor of what they believed to be the progress of "modernity"

I love your lectures, Prof. Abramson. If I recall correctly I should say Rabbi Abramson. Thank you!

This guy is single handedly saving my research paper, thanks KING

Thank you for an excellent series of lectures. I know I am repeating, but it deserves repeating

Dr. Henry Abramson oh, I am richly blessed by your videos, and am learning a lot. I left the church 10 years ago, and have dedicated myself to the Blessed Holy One, and Judaism, I have been having a great time with the teachings of many rabbis, and now this includes you. I am in a place where I can't convert, because there is no Jewish community, but because of people like you oh, I can learn what I can until HaShem, Baruch Hu, moves me do a Jewish community. Todah Rabbah Dr. Abramson

Love this...just so happens to be one of my favorite periods in history...content was excellent.

Thank you so much for such a fascinating lecture. I enjoyed every second of it, and even went back to take notes. Please keep them coming .

I love history and you're lectures not only fulfill my love of history but help me to learn more of my ancestral journey. Thank you so much for your time, finances and knowledge! B"H!

Well done. It is refreshing to hear a lecture from someone who knows history. Keep up the good work.

OMG You are a great teacher! I like your classes very much, I can learn about my ancestors and this is amazing! Shalom from Brasil! 🇮🇱🇧🇷

I agree it begetrs respect for people to respond to you nicely. I enjoy these lectures a lot and im learning a lot about the Jewish identity ...

These lectures are a treasure. Thank you so much.

@HenryAbramsonPhD

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for the kind words!

Thank you! I enjoyed your lecture so much! I'm learning so much!

Very well researched lectures . This lecture have answered lot of my questions. Good stuff, thanks professor

This was an illuminating presentation, thank you Dr. Abramson

... thank you for sharing these wonderful lectures with us.

I learned a lot from this lecture. Thank you so much.

thats was an excellent material, thanx for sharing with us!

Thank you very much, I enjoy the lectures and ...your wonderful sense of humor. You have a friend in Maaleh Adumim where you will always be an honored guest. (airport pick up included)

I have not yet watched many of the videos. I just want to say to for me the format of this lecture was great ( as was the lecture) I find the focusing on particular people narrows the understanding history. I hope you make more videos in this format in which societal forces and developments are the main course and the people mentioned just as important participants in the historical scenario.

@HenryAbramsonPhD

2 жыл бұрын

Interesting observation! Thank you for being a public subscriber and I'm glad that you enjoyed the video.

@lilianawolosin109

2 жыл бұрын

@@HenryAbramsonPhD Thank you. I enjoy one of your lectures every night.

Excellent and well-informative lecture, doc. Just came across this video when trying to dig into more info about Sephardim/Jews of the Orient

Congratulations and complements from Turkey for this very informative lecture.

I enjoy your lectures on Jewish history in Spain. I think, often, the predominant society rewrites history in his favor. As a non Jew, I appreciate the enlightening and often unwritten perspective of your lecture. I will continue watching. I feel foremost within a civil society are laws that establish religious tolerance; I apologize for those who don't recognize this.

Excellent Lecture once again. I wish they were longer. Time flies. Its a testament to your brilliant manner and delivery. Appreciate the neutral stance in your lectures. Its a shame many more "learned" men cant shake off their base tribal nature. Keep up the great work. As per the lecture and the comments of many other muslims, its always possible for people of ALL faiths to live with and respect one another and seek the goodness each has to offer.

@HenryAbramsonPhD

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for these kind words of support! I’m glad you found the lecture useful.

@javedsheikh6685

3 жыл бұрын

@@HenryAbramsonPhD Sir you are great and a role model that both of communities should emulate. I wish I had a history teacher a fraction of your abilitiy. Sorry to go on, but your lectures are a great platform where people seeking knowledge can share some thoughts as well. Shame about all the bigoted comments. May Allah / Hashem enlighten our hearts.

As a practicing Roman Catholic,; with an emphasis on" practicing" with an unquenchable thirst for history, I find your style of lecturing very enjoyable. You have a gift for storytelling and I am glad you have chosen to use your gift to relay important historical information. I realize your audience and respect you are lecturing to those in the hall but you do a good job of giving brief synopsis of other religions . I could point out some errors in your descriptions of Catholic dogma but your synopsis are fairly accurate and you obviously aren't presenting a one man theological debate.

Around 16:50, the talk is about Umar, the second Calif, but the medallion shows the name of Uthman, the third Calif.

Informative video, thanks for the upload)).

Great video. You are a great speaker and interact very well with the public.

@HenryAbramsonPhD

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

my caps LOVED this , always wonderful

I came across your lecture while watching and listening to videos on Sephardic music. I am extremely glad that I did as I have learned so much from it. The history of the Jews of the Sepharad is a subject that seems to get overlooked much of the time. It is a history that is both colourful and tragic yet in spite of the many dark times through the centuries it has survived and thrived. Thank you for uploading this and your other lectures--I may require a few more lifetimes to look at all of them but I'll do my best! Steve.

Eye opening lecture as always.

Thank you for making these videos - Shalom / שלום

Abd Al-Rahman was a tough and ruthless man because he lived in a time that necessitated his being tough and ruthless in order to survive. Once the Abbasids toppled the Umayyad dynasty, they slaughtered every male Umayyad whom they could lay their hands on. Abd Al-Rahman escaped, fled to his mother's Berber kinfolk in North Africa and from them raised an army. Supported by a few Umayyad stalwarts in Spain, as well, he invaded the peninsula and took possession of what he reguarded as being rightfully his. There was scarcely any opposition to him from the Christians for they had been thoroughly crushed military in the first Umayyad invasion. The last of the Visigothic nobility who remained alive had retreated to the mountain strongholds of the far North. The Jews had supported the Umayyads in 711 and had even betrayed the Visigothic Kingdom by opening the gates of the capital of Toledo to the Arab armies. Their experience with the previous Muslim dynasty had been mostly a positive one, and that left them inclined to favour Abd Al-Rahman. The real threat to his rule was all the rival Arab and Berber Muslims in Spain who constantly staged conspiracies and launched uprisings against him. The Abbasids supported these rebellions and even launched invasions of their own to dispose of Abd Al-Rahman, once and for all. The Abbasids wanted the Umayyads completely eliminated as potential alternative rulers. Despite this turmoil, Abd Al-Rahman fought off all the military attacks of his Muslim enemies, consolidated his rule over Spain, establishing the Emirate of Cordoba--though some texts say that he personally referred to himself as the one true Caliph--and engaged in many building projects of mosques, palaces and public works that enhanced the power and status of his kingdom. He even managed to consolidate his dynasty itself, and--shades of Joseph and the multi-coloured coat here--passed over his elder sons and left the throne of Cordoba to a favoured-and-beloved younger son. His conquest of Spain and his establishment of a strong dynasty there was an impressive accomplishment.

@lindasaban9163

6 жыл бұрын

Ron Charles j

Another great lecture. Thanks doc !!!

@CaptainHarlock-kv4zt

5 жыл бұрын

As always...

At 20:00 I heard him say that jizya was higher than zakat. It’s actually the other way around. It’s a tax for their protection. It also exempts them from joining the military. And the poor, widowed , orphans , monks don’t pay it.

@dogbert52

2 жыл бұрын

Monks? But je ws dont have monks. Are you sure?

@bosbanon3452

2 жыл бұрын

@@dogbert52 mYeb rabi

thanks for such a wonderful lecture

@HenryAbramsonPhD

2 жыл бұрын

you're welcome!

I really enjoy your channel. Thank tou

Great documentaries, Dr. Abramson ..... Thank you.

@HenryAbramsonPhD

3 жыл бұрын

Glad you like them!

@zackminkowski902

3 жыл бұрын

@@HenryAbramsonPhD Excellent material, and excellent content, and with that ease of explaining everything kinda like if you were in the classroom interacting. Thank you, Dr. Abramson

It’s amazing the way you teach history. I love your vídeos.

@HenryAbramsonPhD

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much!

Disfruto muchísimo sus vídeos. Su devoción es un manantial de inspiración, gracias.

Brilliant lecture - thank you for doing god’s work and sharing these lectures.

@HenryAbramsonPhD

Жыл бұрын

That is very high praise! I am glad that you enjoy the lectures!

Thank you very much! Delightful! Very interesting part of History!!

I just found your YT Channel and as Sephardic, found fascinating this piece of information in history that feels like you have filled An empty spot in jew history. If I could suggest as topic for lecture about the history of Sephardic Jews migrating to Savannah Georgia during the yellow fever affecting the US in I believe 16th century when Dr. Shmuel (Samuel) Núńez Migrated with 70 something Jewish escaping inquisition and settling in Savannah Georgia after implementing epidemiologic based Healthcare measures of help to control the yellow fever epidemic. Then he founded one of the largest synagogue in the south of the US at that time that still active. I’ll be happy and honored to sponsor it. Thank uou

@HenryAbramsonPhD

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the kind offer; my research agenda is pretty tight for the next year or so.

Great video rabbi. Very impressed

I am not a Jew, but I like listening to a Rabbi's lecture on the radio. He talks about Jewish religion, and he also talks about life and how to deal with people and events in life.

Love this series (just started) and your unique approach to storytelling. You seem to enjoy the stats on your 'fan club' so thought I'd mention that I download the lectures to an audio file, not watch. That may show in stats as a short visit , but it is not. Oh, hope you continue those comments after the lecture has ended...

Hi Dr. Abramson - I have never commented online before - but I just wanted to let you know how much your lectures have been helping me with my studies. Thank you! (and shame on people who type in all caps :) )

I learned so much. I really wanna thank You.

@HenryAbramsonPhD

3 жыл бұрын

Glad it was helpful!

Actually, the Ummayads were replaced by the Abbasids, not the other way around

@raymondlibaad5325

4 жыл бұрын

Agree

@eduardomen81

3 жыл бұрын

sometimes I myself mis-speak in my own field, no biggie

@johnplain1546

3 жыл бұрын

Maybe you should come up under this guy and take over once he gets tired of talking to us

@mrmu7ammed1

3 жыл бұрын

True, the Ummaids only succeded in ruling most of spain as an independant kingdom, but the Abbasid got the rest of the empire

@danielbairey4411

3 жыл бұрын

Glad you also caught that

Thank you very much. I have always wanted to know about the Jewish history of Spain and Portugal. Your talks on the subject has been very enlightening. I'm on the edge of my seat waiting to hear more information on this subject. Thank you very much, God bless you and your family. Alan Abel is my name I'm a black male from Philadelphia Pennsylvania.

Great video series. I’m really enjoying. Quick question though. Have you done similar about Baghdadi Jews? I can’t seem to find anything on your channel.

@HenryAbramsonPhD

6 ай бұрын

Try the Jewish History Lab

Great video! 😍

Very well done lecture about Jewish roots.

I love your works.

Wonderful lecture!

@HenryAbramsonPhD

4 жыл бұрын

Glad you liked it!

Dear Doctor, Very good lecture and very much informative. Jews Vs Muslims was a very rare information and God bless you.

kindly make correction: Pact of Umar ( R.A ) showing arabic calligraphy of USMAN ( R.A) the third Muslim Caliph.

very well done thank you

Just a small note, since I think you might appreciate knowing this: When an Arabic name starts with "abd", everything after that will usually be one of the names of God, since "abd" means "slave (of)". So when you refer to a person as "Al Rahman (The Most Merciful)", you're referring to him by a name of God. Essentially, it's as if we were to refer to Gabriel as just El. Otherwise: Great lecture! I enjoyed it tremendously!

@jobirbatti6713

5 жыл бұрын

It is wrong to interpret Allah as God. It is completely different. Mr. abraham please read the qur'an before you compare Islam with Judaism. Islam copied and plagiarized the Torah, new Testament and some Jews fables or legacy. But the way Mohammed lived his life was completely different than the prophets preceded him. He never prophesied anyway. For someone of your caliber shouldn't take Islam before thoroughly read about it. Regardless, I enjoy your lecture

@jobirbatti6713

4 жыл бұрын

@@HenryAbramsonPhD Mohammad had nothing of his own but copied from Jewish and Christians including names and at times he mixed up stories and dates...albeit language barriers. Unless one has preferred to be politically correct, there is no sign of Muhammad's prophecy.

@jobirbatti6713

4 жыл бұрын

Bro, Rahman is not arabic but Aramaic. Copied and plagiarized by Mohammad

@myriam8947

4 жыл бұрын

@@jobirbatti6713 Rahman us arabica as arabic language derives from aramaic

Nice lecture... Big thanks from Soomaaliya

@HenryAbramsonPhD

3 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it

great knowledge

Great lesson

Thank you for explaining Judaism in a way a no Jew can understand. Im becoming more and more interested and want to learn more. Thank you for sharing

Great lecture..

@HenryAbramsonPhD

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks very much!

The name in the picture used for the pact of Omar is Usman !!

If the average attention span is 20 minutes, mine for a 1 hour lecture by Henry Abramson is 2 hours! (I listen twice to the same video because it's totally fascinating!)

Good lecture, just to correct a typo under the title The Pact of Umar, the arabic picture is of Uthman, not Umar

Some reasons why the Visigoths fell so quickly were: 1) Civil war amongst the Visigoth elite, in which one half petitioned the assistance of the Muslims across the straights; 2) hatred of the Visigoth elite by the majority of the Hispanorromanos and wanted Visigoth rule to end; 3) superior Muslim military strategy, tactics (including use of cavalry), weaponry and logistics; and, 4) assistance from Jews from the Iberian Peninsula, who received the Muslims as saviors from Visigoth repression.

Thank you, I am 65 years old, born in Chile and only recently fond that all my past surnames are Sephardic. Will look to see if you have lectures of the Kabbalistic, Jesuit, Sephartic, Catholic history.

A good book on the relationship between Muslims, Jews, and Christians in medieval Spain is 'Ornament of the World' by historian Maria Rosa Menocal. Published by Back Bay Books (2002).

What is very interesting is that Jesus and his apostles (even Paul who was Saul, the persecutor of Christians) never let go of their Jewish customs and faith. They observed the Law. The Gentiles were excused from Jewish customs but it’s awful that one faith had to be pushed down for the other to grow.

Thank you for a wonderful lecture on sephardic history. I'm very interested in this topic but I have many questions about our ancestors relationship within the society of Judaism.

Espectacular!!!!!

@11:05 I believe Dr. Abramson means to say Muslims and Jews instead of what he said which was "Muslims and Christians". Thank you. Best, N ~

Thankyou - very interesting - looking forward to Hastou Ibn Shaprout & King Joseph of The Khazars 🤩🙏🏼

What Powerpoint technology does he use?

Awesome !

@HenryAbramsonPhD

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

The conquest of early muslims(campanions of prophet muhammad) were a big mircale in the history of humans. There was no match between them , but they won every battle they fought.