Mogane was moving up and down with Ntanzi's phone

The judge is chickening. They must return back all the khaki envelopes

@LwandoNzala

23 күн бұрын

😂😂😂😂😭 khaki envelopes zigoduke

This mkhulu Ratha lacks listening skills and has already shown which side he's on. Aaii

@africanmoviestv6787

22 күн бұрын

Listening is skill itself thats makes a man to be a man.Ratha lucks that..

Problem of 50 years he think he's smarter than anyone,he even lead the witness evidence i liked when Mngo and Ramusipidi told him straight he lead the witness evidence

It's ok Mngo, you are winning the long game. Basically, you've managed to get the judge to say multiple times on the record that cellphone location does not mean the accused were moving with the cell phone. This means, by the judge's logic, that the cellphone data is immaterial and irrelevant because if accused 3 was not with his phone it also means that it was not him making the calls. This logic should apply to all the accused. So Ntanzi was not the one moving with his phone and so are all the other accused. Well done Mngo.

@user-ux3zb5yo7m

23 күн бұрын

True

Having carefully followed this simple case, it is astonishing to me why it should unnecessarily take forever, the Justice System in South Africa is ridiculous.

@sakhiletasneemebrahim1228

23 күн бұрын

The funny party is they are wasting state resources knowingly who assassinated Senzo. It's so sad

@PNk489

23 күн бұрын

Axactly my point

@rita_TM

23 күн бұрын

@@sakhiletasneemebrahim1228 currently there seems to be no evidence of who pulled the trigger because the scene was tampered with. Basically, there is no way of proving who the killer is. Why we are still made to listen to this nonsense and why the 5 accused are still there, I have no idea. The judge needs to call the state to order that his evidence doesn't prove any of the accused guilty. release Ntunzi and come back with solid evidence.

@Chibvunza

23 күн бұрын

​@rita_TM 1.Accused number 3 was described by eye witnesses who were not in the house 27/10/2014(Simphiwe Ngwenya and Thabang Makelane )as a short guy with dreads ,gold tooth ,big eyes,beige clothing,running away from the khumalo house with a 9mm in his hand and the photo album of accused 3 in his phone,he has pictures of himself with dreadlocks,gold ,big eyes ,beige clothing and pic of himself with the killing machine ,is that also cooking ?Mangena's cross examination keeps on being pushed back because the defence can't fight this scientific evidence killing machine killed Senzo 2.Ntanzi was described by also eye witnesses apart from the ones that were in the house. He became famous with his alibi of of paying lobolo in Kwanongoma 26/10/2014 and showing Capitec bank statements to police to prove this alibi 😊2023 comes Ntanzi doesn't mention any of this and you guys still don't see red flags/lies 3.These guys said they only saw each other on the dock on the first appearance in 2020 and now cellphone records prove those are lies 4.That they were in Kwanongoma when Senzo died is also a lie 5.Their Zungu cousin turned on them because accused number 5 Killed his cousin called Sphamandla Zungu on the Thami Nyembe case ,he gave us a snippet of what happened ehhostela meanwhile the people that were in the house shared their snippet and the last reliable witness was Christian he saw all that happened,but the mastermind refused for him to be interviewed by psychologists and now it makes sense why 6.Muzi Sibiya's gunning down of his girlfriend and sister for because the sister threatened to come forward 6.Cellphone records link all the accused and link kelly to no 3&5.Allegedly

@rita_TM

23 күн бұрын

@@Chibvunza Sorry can't read everything now but I'm not saying they did it or not. All I am saying is that the evidence is not without reasonable doubt at the very least. Now I doubt accused 3 is the only person in Gauteng who fits that description. but if you remember Mnisi dealt with that already using pictures that the description of the dreads was not the same as what the witnesses described. His killing machine is real but has not been proven to be the one that killed Senzo. Ntanzi's alibi may be off but nothing but places him in the house, the eye-witnesses said the tall guy had a gold tooth and tattoos and Ntanzi had none. His Capitec records are cooked because mentioned a loan but it is not reflected, his salary also was not reflected so explain that. whether they were in Gauteng or in Nongoma there is still no damning evidence. Don't mention Zungu...the biggest liar. Zungu lied saying he wrote a hand-written statement when probed he changed to say it was notes and later the notes were on receipt slips..not only that but Zungu said on the stand that he asked Gwabini about the gun that shot Snako...but Snako was shot in 2017 how would have Zungu known that Snako will be shot in 2014. Later he alluded that his source was his dad who heard people arguing about exposing someone, so which is it was he with them in 2014 and saw a gun that shot Snako in the future or what. A cop drinking with nkabis and leaving his service gun with them. If you believe Zungu and the selective cellphone data I have no more to say...

1hr 33min the lady at the back is very impressed by Mngo she can't hide it🤣🤣🤣

Honestly, I am a Zambian but I feel for Ntanza. This guy has passed through alot, I can really feel his pain.

@Malavisback

23 күн бұрын

I hear you bro, but what more can you expect... that's the consequence of committing a crime. He shouldn't have been involve in the first place. You feel for Ntanzi, but what about people who lost their son.

@user-qd9dk7cq4x

23 күн бұрын

​@@Malavisbackis there any evidence link Ntanzi to Senzo's death

@njabulojb2994

23 күн бұрын

​@@Malavisbackwhich crime dd he commit slow learner?

@NgwendeNgwende-cm2ps

23 күн бұрын

​@@Malavisbackdakiwe wena golo lika nyoko

@kingmelano9882

22 күн бұрын

What crime Ntanzi committed,sleeper?​@Malavisback

I blame the person who resuscitated Judge Ratha from retirement bed 😂😂

Ratha doesn't understand that in life you can start well and end bad, so he shouldn't allow his experience to look down on others

In a normal country , this case is very simple to solve,,,,you just get the 205 of those who were in the house and question them on first calls they made...

Why is the state bringing the cell phone evidence if they believe the accused, particularly no.3, didnt have his phone on himself.

@siphonengu5436

23 күн бұрын

Exactly my point. Why waste the whole month dealing with something they don't believe in . Uzigwaze ngumkhonto wakhe for sure. Benza I defense izilima that don't think.

This Judge Ratha is from Temu😂😂😂😂😂

@nette2144

23 күн бұрын

😂😂😂😂😂

@Simzxaba

22 күн бұрын

😂😂😂😂😂😂

@sijammeli

22 күн бұрын

😅😂😂 not SHEIN 😆😂😂

it doesn't matter how many cellphone numbers Kelly has, she has made a sworn affidavit to affirm that she was using those two numbers, the night senzo was killed. It is in the state interest to seek data collection of other numbers. The defence has two points over "score is defence 2 - 0 state"

Why Ratha's hands are always on his mouth, it's clear that he wants to use gestures to coach the witness

Baloyi and gininda, together with their gang ba bodile siss..... Yesses🤮

Dont worry guys constitutional court will release these accused on this case coz Ratha udlile already

@rita_TM

23 күн бұрын

they must just end it now so that it can be appealed already.

@busisiwemafata2834

23 күн бұрын

Usuthi mqudulu

Ratha you are the Mickey mouse in that court

4:40:19 Adv Ramo; why not emphasize that the device was not with your client. You must say it supported by State Witnesses until the Court has no choice but to accept it.

Ratha is angry becoz the cooking is not cooking 😂😂😂😂

Why is judge agitated? Coz cellphone data was analysed to prove that the accused were communicating and were in possession of their phones..now the council is proving that accused 2 could have not been in possession of the cellphone coz it had been taken by police and the judge is agitated... Come on South Africa..u can do better than this

@user-qd9dk7cq4x

23 күн бұрын

What do you mean come on South Africa, who are you referring to?

Ratha uyabona kuba uyakuliphi point yikho semu attack khona ezo move kulo ai shame

What is Sibanda doing at Mngomezulu's place after discussion between him and Baloyi kante

@Samora4

23 күн бұрын

He always does that and i don't think that is allowed

@manenikalydia7888

21 күн бұрын

U know I HV BEEN ASKING MYSELF SAME QUESTION

Lol Baloyi telling Mngo to stick to his lane and not ask questions relating to accused no.3 🤣 Oksalayo the State scored an OWN GOAL with the cellphone data and Mngo caught them. Baloyi grasping at straws saying they received the data late that's why they skipped page 1 of their evidence and did not place it on the record!!🤣 Asha amazambane.

@zodwadlamini4213

23 күн бұрын

Baloyi yinja nobubi ngathi yimfene

@juniormaila6712

23 күн бұрын

😂😂 Own goal

@siphonengu5436

23 күн бұрын

Baloyi should mind his business. 😂😂😂

@louisathelejane8453

23 күн бұрын

😂

@Constance-dm8hr

23 күн бұрын

​@@zodwadlamini4213😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

Judge Ratha knows everything. Mxm

Gouws's problem is he puts himself where he wasn't, he doesn't really know his own affidavit. He adapts his evidence to suit the narrative of the state and forgets that's not what he wrote on his affidavit... Like mngomezulu said, gouws was alone when he made the affidavit and wrote those things 🤣🤣he changes the story as he goes along

1:31:58 see the judge winking to the witness

@user-qd9dk7cq4x

23 күн бұрын

Lol will have to wait

@SidumoNgetu

23 күн бұрын

It's not the 1st time he is been doing it to all the 6 last weaknesses

Judge Ratha must understand that Advo R only exposes the inconsistency it helps the Accused not witness. What did the experience analyst did except what he was given, didn't he find it strange while doing his analysis, what questions did he ask investigating officers since the phone was moving but accused arrested.

Le berekile bashimane bam🗣👌🏿🔥mickey mouse wa phapha🚮

Who was charging Ntanzi's phone during those in his possession

@siphonengu5436

23 күн бұрын

My question exactly since there was no charger in his cell

@user-tz9oe3gy5l

23 күн бұрын

So his cellphone don't get low ijoo this case only lies sheim

@witnssmkhiza9811

22 күн бұрын

Ntanzi phone is a miracle

@NduraaNgoma

21 күн бұрын

Prisoners do charge their cellphones in the electric lights in the cells, some have their rotten police officers who assist them in charging those cellphones

29 May your vote counts

Thank you Advocate Ramosepele and Advocate Mngemezulu thank you for putting this into the records. Judge Ratha has been playing aquafresh since the begining of this case, 3 in 1, biased and impatient on defence side. Ratha has been the judge, prosecutor and the witness at the same time and he's forever interrupting the defence during cross examination. That's why we concluding that he already found these accused guilty hence he always says:" If this case would be taken elsewhere where after it has been concluded here." Ratha has repeatedly said this to the defence many times while this case is still on progress. Ratha is biased.

Senzo abantu bahlupheka kanje wena sowuthule tuuu hawu Meyiwa awumvezi ngani umuntu owakudubula. Abantu bathole peace.

@ntombifuthimlambo6005

23 күн бұрын

Kodwa kanti wathi engashona wasebheka kuphi ngempela yena ngob kuhlezi kuthiwa igazi lomuntu liyakhuluma elakhe lavalwa ubani ngempela engasasho lutho nje nangephupho nje kwabakubo akasakwazi nokuyilwela nje ayi ibuhlungu lento bafethu

What is happening with their sound

Why is the judge winking to witnesses

Finally Advocate R put his foot down vs Ratha finally, Ratha must wait for the defense to finish questions n see where their going before he help state.

Here come slow poisoni adv Ramos

@BronxWavy

23 күн бұрын

​@@gertrudemabunda4105it was a compliment

@user-qd9dk7cq4x

23 күн бұрын

Lol he missed it ​@@BronxWavy

@gertrudemabunda4105

22 күн бұрын

Okay sorry

Ramosepele you right, judge has a tendency of affirming for the witness.

@artwellpanasheshumba1055

20 күн бұрын

This should be put on record

Mngomezulu ke hloba boroko mo this court

@paulusoreilly7438

23 күн бұрын

😂😂😂batshwere ka molala straight

Ratha is a disgrace.

@nette2144

23 күн бұрын

Big time!

Thus so true. Than wasting time and wasting state resources. They keep going round and round and round and lying

I feel for Ntanzi he was given the weakes defence of all times . If Mngomezulu aandd Mnisi as well as Mshololo were not there I am sure this guy was going to be sentenced

@manenikalydia7888

21 күн бұрын

By the way who is Ntanzi s advocate? Is it Ramosepedi or Nxumalo?

@thandazanimadonda3891

21 күн бұрын

@@manenikalydia7888 Ramasepele

This judge makes sense but only pinning defense. Not for clarity but to undermine. He never took Baloyi in why page 11-13 was not read. Or better yet go back to records and see if it was put in evidence in chief. Manipulation of knowing the law. He objects on behalf of state. And throws hand's. He never does that to Baloyi. A jury system is needed.

Adv. Ramosepele must stand his ground

Kanti yayihamba nobani ngampela le phone

ratha you are bias

@mofapohedimokoena3456

23 күн бұрын

Judge Ratha,is bias and thinks he knows everything....it shows that he has been paid to find the wrong person guilty.Baloi is a devil,i dont know how much he has been paid by Gininda.My friend one said to a Judge meet you in hell,i hought he made a mistakes but now i understand him 100 percent.

@mofapohedimokoena3456

23 күн бұрын

Ratha and Baloi are apartheid agents....they made people go to jail for nothing. How can a suspect have his cell phone under detention.....Remember Ntanzi saying in a case within a case that he told the margistrate that he has not spoken to his family and taken a bath for those days.If he had his phone on him he could have told his family where he is and could have phoned his work place.

Makasuswe loo judge " kubekwe wena or u just mkhontolise this court?

Mr camera plz show us ratha moves😅plz

2:53:19 thanks ramosepele for saying it

The judge has made his ruling already; 😂at the moment he seeks compelling reasons from defence team why he should not impose maximum sentence to the accused

People are on hot seats

Not sure if you saw this, the camera peaked through Gous face and i believe this is not allowed. 2, this judge is really annoying now with reminding and assisting the witness recall their evidence

One thing about these police, they are dumb 😂… the way they have cooked this evidence is so clumsy 😅

Gouws doesn't know lot on his evidence

@NtombikayiseDanisa

22 күн бұрын

He was not an investigating officer, he was to prove that they were communicating. Lets wait for Brig. Gininda to give another Schooling for free

if the data of the 205s confirms the location of the phone only and not the person why are we wasting time on them. why is the prosecutor bringing it to court? i can bet the verdict will be guilty. so many grey areas?

This case is now a movie they need to provide us with seasons and episodes... 😅😅

@rita_TM

23 күн бұрын

🤣 im sure we're on season 5 and the producers don't have content, they should just cancel the show but they keep making the episodes as they go. Everything happening in this court right now was never part of the script when this trial started.

Baloi is fuming 😂

Maka suswe lo judge noba kuyekwa libaziseka akhonngxaki kunalena into💔u judge ufuna inyani ingaveli apha abameli akafuni kubathobela uthobela o Baloyi naba baza nobuxoki 💔why engabambi abantu babesendlini anduleke uxoxa yerrrrr💔💔😭😭😭yhini Senzo

@MunyaradziMugadzaweta-ob5dz

23 күн бұрын

Kubekwe WENA 😂😂😂 shame on you .....Linda igrant oyaziyo only Dom kop

@siphonengu5436

23 күн бұрын

​@@MunyaradziMugadzaweta-ob5dz Why uchituka vamwe munyaradzi

@siphonengu5436

23 күн бұрын

​@MunyaradziMugadzaweta-ob5dz Why the violence? I thought you are a smart person who could analyze facts 🤔 but no .

the judge is biased the counsels must point this out otherwise he is ignoring he confirms the presence of the phone not the person? so why are we wasting time with the cell tower data now that the records show the accused were not there the judge doesnt want to listen?

Akukho lasiya khona lana mathumbu ye fariki igulube

Another cop coming with lies😢

Ratha why you.allways call you're Teedy Bear??????

Ghini na hlala morabaraba bcz narshwere zaka ya mang?

Nangu T khumalo esibhedela . Ubhemani Mntungwa😂😂😅😅😅

Dlakadla!,wena owakhula silibele !

Eish this attorneys 😂😂

Ratha doti we judge

@MunyaradziMugadzaweta-ob5dz

23 күн бұрын

And wena ? 😂😂😂

@gladysmkhize4085

23 күн бұрын

Ubiza ijaji ngo doti kncono ungasho lutho uma kukho lutho ekhanda lakho

@phumzagalada6263

23 күн бұрын

​@@gladysmkhize4085ngu doti nangku skhohlakali sestabane esingafuni nyani ivele

Le 4n yayihamba niBaloyi🤞

Yeyeeeeeeeeeni bo

Gouws know about this case before they give him chance to analyse it because whole world know this even if they don't follow t

judge ya kwata ge defence e penyella state witnesses 😂😂😂😂😂 ga nyake leka six-nine itjo

But signals or hooter of cellphones 📱 towers near sm nearest police investsgator officers 😅

If Ratha can behave like he did towards the end of d Day

@user-qd9dk7cq4x

23 күн бұрын

You didn't finish your statement

@NkosikhonaBiyela

23 күн бұрын

@@user-qd9dk7cq4x He kept his mouth shut 🤣🤣

The judge is acting dumb for a purpose

The state and fraud 🤞🏾🙀😅

This judge is nonsense mxxxmmmm

Camera man is also captured 😅

@TshepoBiloane

23 күн бұрын

😂 true

@casperkhambule

23 күн бұрын

He nomore 😂 showing us 😅d ratha moves😅n signs looking up n down😂

Mgomezulu failed to ask a simple question, the movement of the proves the movement of the owner, is that correct? Then, if he days yes, then it means the accused number 3 movement is recorded by his cell phone. Is that correct? If yes,then accused number 3 was not in Fosloorus according to the tower records, is that correct? If he said no, then it means the 205 proves nothing if the movement do not prove there where abouts of the accused.

@slindokuhleprecious6959

22 күн бұрын

Judge won't allow that to sell out the state

This Gininda is manipulative, this other police they will get themselves having to explained things they are not sure off.

Chocolate 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

Guys these 5 açcused said they did not know one another before.These numbers shows something else.

@NtombikayiseDanisa

22 күн бұрын

Uyawteta kuse cause yilento elityala lingapeli. Kalokxa uyo roba awuyipati iphone cause ucinga iwe or upendule iphone iku destructe

But MR Ramosipidi is not that strong 💪

MBatha THE JUDGE ending his career as criminal the judge that accept bribes denied people justice

Ntanzi said he was at work and it was proven he was not at work on the day.A lot of lies on the side of the accused.Who to believe here.

@LuvuyoJingijane

23 күн бұрын

Ntanzi said "if was not at work, I was at home"

@mazwideamahle4091

22 күн бұрын

He even spent 2 extra days with Ntuli as per his confession , because he knew he had taken some leave.

@yangamguzulwa4639

21 күн бұрын

What were you doing on the 24th of October 2014? And we see if Ntanzi is a liar.

@mazwideamahle4091

21 күн бұрын

@yangamguzulwa4639 I was in Sabi-Sabi, Mpumalanga getting engaged to my ex husband.

This is bad lawyering

Ratha ufundele umthetho and kudala wagweba akaqali namhlanje bafana bam

@sammysamala4492

23 күн бұрын

It doesn't mean that he can't be bias... Yes uwufundele kodwa he must be fair

@siphonengu5436

23 күн бұрын

He knows the law but he is abusing it. Remember, the same drug that cures diseases can be abused by the same doctor who uses it to cure .

@BabalwaJusayi-li6bg

23 күн бұрын

Uyanya wena njandin uba ingango bakowenu abantu kudlalwa ngabo apa

@vusimasemola3085

23 күн бұрын

It shows that lot of innocent people are in jail because of him

@LwandoNzala

23 күн бұрын

Kanti ke syamazi ukuthi akakaze athi alikho leli icala ngiyalchitha uhlezi egweba siklindile lokho Thina smaziyo

The judge's teeth look like a vampire's

@esonaangela2077

23 күн бұрын

😂😂😂😂😂😂

@user-qd9dk7cq4x

23 күн бұрын

True😅😅🤣🤣🤣🤣

@phumzagalada6263

23 күн бұрын

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 lonto amdaka

@joymacheke5507

23 күн бұрын

😂😂😂😂😂

@manenikalydia7888

21 күн бұрын

Sweet potatoes in color 😂😂😂😂😂😂

Manje sithatha eyiphi because uTeffo was saying udutyulwe ngu Kelly nge mustake manje uMngomezulu uthi ngu Longwe, manje ngubani o cooker i case? ni busy ni critisiser uJudge ngapha ngu Baloyi no Gininda i enemies zenu, nina asoze nilibone izulu

@pumzilesiyokwana9786

23 күн бұрын

The state must call Longwe,Kelly,Makhumalo and Maphiri then uzova inyani😂😂😂😂

@patriciaramokoka

23 күн бұрын

😂😂😂😂😂Everyone in that spaza is our enemy including mama ka KK😂😂😂

@user-tz9oe3gy5l

23 күн бұрын

If Teffo was allowed to call the eye witness by now you should know the truth that you're asking but instead they arrest him to shut him

@vusimasemola3085

23 күн бұрын

Ngisho nama phela walapha e spaza anecala

Mngo is now skating on thin ice. His looking for his individual glory. He is no longer making progress in this case, which is really sad. He had made significant advances, but now he is backsliding at the expense of his client and his colleagues.

@MakyZulu

23 күн бұрын

Youre from another planet member if you want to help,help dont come

@user-qd9dk7cq4x

23 күн бұрын

Dismiss your foolishness and expand your consciousness

@njabulojb2994

23 күн бұрын

You're watching a different case maybe

@Adjudicator246

23 күн бұрын

This trial is a lengthy process. Mngo is currently creating many opportunities for the prosecution to utilise later. For instance, in his excitement, he included No. 2's confession in his argument. The judge warned Mngo. Mngo was dismissive instead of withdrawing that statement (skating on thin ice). The prosecution will use this later, and Mngo will act like the victim. He should have taken his win and moved on.

@manenikalydia7888

21 күн бұрын

Ur talking rubbish Adjudicator246

Mngomezulu should not be allowed to represent anybody

@LwandoNzala

23 күн бұрын

😂 reason why???

@vusimasemola3085

23 күн бұрын

Chest pains😂😂😂

@carolthandeka5454

23 күн бұрын

Aybo are you serious about what you are saying 😮 What crime did he commit for him to not be allowed to not representing anybody?

@khanyilekhanyile436

23 күн бұрын

Nangu muntu ekhuluma ubuphukuphuku

@user-qd9dk7cq4x

23 күн бұрын

Some people are really dom

So the defense has to question in a specific way that prosecution wants them, while he can and will elicit however he pleases

South Africa seyibolile yeer ....bcz of anc....look at this case....wena uyini?mmmmm

@manenikalydia7888

21 күн бұрын

ANC must go