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@melodyqueen6432

7 ай бұрын

I've not listened to every episode of the pod but so far this is my favorite. It was a bit adversarial but ultimately you guys mostly agreed on the outcomes. You approached each subject with such a uniquely different perspective it caused an interesting tension. There was catharthis when you collectively decided to define "joke." The way I could feel both of you redirecting the energy of frustration into communication was a masterclass in using words to solve conflict. Ad hoc offensives were kept to a minimum (white male half Jewish half italian comedians.... I died) and the the battle of ideas was the main focus. It actually felt like you both were in your own camp and trying to understand the terrain between camps so you could each build a path from them to you....even if only to realise they are in your own back yard. Jianmarco thank you for the content. Russell don't miss so many episodes i fuckin love you. Jesse Fox, Jianmarco can be intense but I need you to come back okayyyy. Thank you for being patient with him and intelligently communicating your POV. Something that I thought was missing from this podcast was.... aside from jokes and narrative structure, what other tools do comedians use to shape their craft? I noticed delivery wasn't touched on, nor props or gimmicks or alternative implementations such as Matt Parker's educational math stand up, or comedians who are hired for corporate gigs. It left me with questions like "what is hacky to a comedian" and "when is and isn't it okay to reach for low hanging fruit" and "what would a critic deem to be BAD alt comedy." Basically what I'm trying to say is you guys seem to hate each other with the best chemistry and I hope I see it again Love the Queen

_my father is an open wound waiting for infection_ -Gianmarco Soresi, who clearly missed his calling to write screamo

It would be fun to watch you interview Roy Haylock, aka Bianca Del Rio from Rupaul's Drag Race. In the realm of a Don Rickles type comedian.

This was such an interesting conversation it was really dynamic that y’all disagreed on so much but clearly respect each others perspective (But also I side with Gianmarco)

That was such excellent analysis at the 40 minute mark, Gianmarco. That's effectively structural barriers for people to make it in comedy -- whatever the myriad politically centrist group it may be discriminating against. Big fan. Great pod!

Really loved this discussion about the intricacies of comedy :D Really made me think about the relationship between "jokes" and "comedy" broadly.

My dad has parkinsons - when I hear a joke about it, usually like about shaking or trembling, whatever, usually it just makes me feel lonely like I’m sad and jealous that others can find humor in that when I associate it only with grief. I think that’s why it triggers some people, like suddenly they’re reminded that this thing makes them sad and hurt and is so personal when everyone is laughing around them. It’s not even that they’re laughing AT Parkinson’s, or that I think it’s cruel, it’s just an odd personally close situation. I’m not sure at all what the right or wrong thing is as far as comedy and those kind of jokes, but it is a jarring experience.

So glad there's a new episode. Now that I've seen all the others, I have to wait for new ones!

Love it please always release these in the middle of the night

@stephben8042

7 ай бұрын

Gianmarco stressed is very endearing sorry

This entire conversation reminds me why we shouldn't rely on critics to find things we appreciate. Great discussion, though.

this conversation was so good. 🔥

This is the podcast content that I live for. When I saw the self-hating joke lover short, I just had to see the whole episode.

@joe_dombrowski

7 ай бұрын

Sameeeeeeeeuhhh!

I love my Tuesday mornings

Epic story teller 🖤 u Gianmarco 🖤 u Russel !!

48:23 is pretty much spot on from Gianmarco. Jokes are literally the building block on which the foundation of comedy rests and this guy seems to have a fundamentally incorrect idea about what it means to be a comedian lol. Comedians like Mark Normand can go a little bit overkill on the joke telling aspect but I'd rather have that when I'm watching a stand-up instead of an unfunny person trying to justify their place in a comedic setting.

@richarddweckcomedy

7 ай бұрын

exactly, I love his podcast, he gets great guests on. I'm a comedian i've had gianmarco on my podcast What The Heck with Richard Dweck. jesse just isn'f a funny person. comedy journalists who don't do stand up will never ever get it truly

This episode sold me on how solid Gianmarco's politics are. A smart person can see the broader issues correctly but seeing the politics in your profession and your every day life AND directly speaking to them knowing it will agitate peers is great.

Why are you a comedy critic if you don't like jokes?

@richarddweckcomedy

7 ай бұрын

he doesn't do stand up comedy. his podcast is great, he gets great comedians on but he's not a funny person and as a comedian that bothers me .

@therealunicornselene

7 ай бұрын

@@richarddweckcomedy what bothers me is that he seems to be really passionate about and know a lot about comedy like a failed comic and he's just another douchebag with an opinion. Working for CC doesn't mean you know funny 🤣

I have judged national forensics tournaments with humorous, serious, oration, acting, improv, impromptu, extemp etc. I am open to different perspectives and form etc. But when you move from one form to another you can't still claim your humorous when your doing a issue oration etc.

At 49 min I agree with gianmarco there has to be a joke something that is funny. If you are just morals preaching it gets boring. I came to laugh and have fun not go to a lecture.

What I find really interesting about artists (of any kind), specifically though, of comedians and actors. Does it seem like EVERYONE is critical of what you're doing and saying? When is it, or how do you know when it's opinion versus honest critique?

I love how you never backdown and let them get away with stuff xD

I do think only going up for 15 min type spots might make it hard to play around with structure/timing or just work on longer chunks of material but that just part of comedy ig. I just want all types of comedy to thrive. But there are ‘club comics’ who are pushing the medium forward as well ie Joe List and Gavin Matts

Interesting convo, gotta watch the whole thing but I get where both guys are coming from. I wonder how uk comics like James acaster would feel about the comedy ecosystem in the states couse of how different the circuit is. I think The Edinburgh fringe festival is more geared twords one-man show type acts so I wonder how they get enough stage time to work on new material without working in clubs

Lol not all these 'oh what a fascinating and respectful debate' comments. Let's be real.... drag him, GM lol

Why were you rushing so much at the end? 😂

If a magician told a rich story through magic tricks on a really cool stage with fancy effects and production but all they were doing was basic tricks you've seen before you won't care about the tricks (jokes) you'll care about the story and the performance (the artist vibes being communicated through jokes). David Blaine walked up to people on the street and blew people's minds with his tricks and thw execution so you remember his tricks because he's a magician not a performer that does card tricks. Photo realistic paintings and all other paintings are still using paint to convey something they're succeeding at the thing they're saying they are. Movies of all different kinds still succeed at being moving pictures. If your goal isn't make people laugh going into making a joke it's definitionally not comedy, its a Ted talk with jokes so you care about the story and the politics not the jokes. That's why George Carlin was so funny he started with making people laugh and snuck in his politics and self into the jokes so you care about the comedy and the message. You can disagree with the message of a really good joke and still laugh but when the message is the focus that's all there is to talk about. Both are art but one is comedy and the other is a funny presentation

Timeline-wise was this recording pre or post Vulture Article?

50:20 I definitely feel like the guest is floundering at this point. Gianmarco was exactly right when he said that comedy critiques are all the way up their own a$$

@JulianDalloway

3 ай бұрын

Disagree, it's not easy to articulate a nuanced view like this in the heat of the moment, I think he explained his position very well

@AlliePaints

3 ай бұрын

@@JulianDalloway 1) he knew what podcast he was coming to he should have been the least bit more prepared to defend his VERY BAD take on stand up 2) floundering just means that he didn’t stop, say “hey ya know what give me a sec to think on that and process.”, and THEN respond. Thus, ya know, forming a better structured point.

@JulianDalloway

3 ай бұрын

@@AlliePaints Disagree, I didn't see much "floundering"!

@AlliePaints

3 ай бұрын

@@JulianDalloway then you should back it up from the time stamp about 40-50 seconds and watch the following 2-3 minutes again. He’s stammering and using incredibly weak arguments against Gianmarco’s very cogent critique of his “job” as a critic

1:21:13, please tell me you're not throwing shade at Ryan George

1 liners Jimmy Carr !

This podcast is so chaotic 😅 I’m exhausted - I like my podcasts to be relaxing, I feel so on edge.

Im actually early for once

An over reliance on jokes for comedians? Why does someone who thinks like this opinion matter? Y’all give random white dudes too much power. 🤦🏿‍♀️

I’ve seen nearly every episode and is usually love to watch bc it’s stress free even when it’s heated and has some fun insight on parts of the world I’m not usually exposed to; this episode made my anxiety skyrocket though and I can’t even get through it. It doesn’t even matter what the points are, this was so combative and unproductive and uncomfortable, and I wish it hadn’t devolved so quickly into a ‘political argument with your unhinged uncle’ style of conversation. I’ll still watch Gianmarco but I really hope this doesn’t become a trend :/

@GianmarcoSoresi

7 ай бұрын

Jesse has signed on as a third co-host and this will be every episode going forward

@tristiansanderson9830

7 ай бұрын

It wasn't even combative and it seemed pretty productive lmao

@japhalpha

7 ай бұрын

It’s idealized theory vs experience and practice I really enjoyed listening to GM as he peeled back the layers on his guests, respectively, out of touch perspective.

Ok, I'm getting triggered, apparently. Doesn't this come down to just all the "politically correct" bullshit? People get offended over certain things and phrases. I understand about being sensitive to certain things, but it's comedy, it's jokes and making fun of things. Is the intent of the jokes meant to hurt people or people groups? If you're so upset by it, then don't go and make the comics life so fucking difficult for doing what they're doing.

@richarddweckcomedy

7 ай бұрын

the thing that annoys me as a comedian is jesse isn't a funny person, I listen to his podcast he's got great guests on, all my favorite, but he's just not funny and to make it worse he knows it. He will never understand stand up, he's done it once and he explained he felt nothing, which is just the nail in the coffin. he says he likes comedy, he acts like a comedy nerd but he's just not funny, he'll NEVER get it