It's AMAZING how he's like "i'm the wisest greek" then IMMEDIATELY agress to a game with a wind god with NO DETAILS.

@SeikerHikaru

Ай бұрын

Wisdom and intelligence often don't go hand in hand lol

@ShyyGaladriel

Ай бұрын

To paraphrase a quote from another musical “wise is different than smart.”

@hr329085

Ай бұрын

I feel like being the wisest Greek based on all the legends isn't the highest bar.

@SeikerHikaru

Ай бұрын

@@hr329085 It is kind of a low bar to clear

I'm so GLAD you brought up how Poseidon favored the Trojans because it had to be ESPECIALLY insulting to use a horse, Poseidon's Animal, to wreak havoc on Troy

@jonahlamond987

Ай бұрын

But he didn't favour the trojans he was definitely on the Greeks side. In the Iliad At one point he ether possesses one of them or just comes down to kill a hole bunch of trojans.

@delightfullymischievous9684

13 күн бұрын

​@@jonahlamond987 The Iliad wasn't the only telling of the Trojan War. In some of the other tellings, he was on the Trojan side. He even had a hand in the Death of Achilles.

"It isnt very often that I get pissed off." Thats the point. Those other things... ARENT him being pissed off. Thats just monday. NOW he's pissed.

@SeikerHikaru

Ай бұрын

I still call cap. God of the Sea ain't getting no breaks from me about "not getting pissed off" lol

@mattiekarwin3667

Ай бұрын

@@SeikerHikaru Okay fair XD I just always took the moment very different. Like a serial killer saying 'you're the one I'm *actually* gonna kill.'

@SeikerHikaru

Ай бұрын

@@mattiekarwin3667 It's a fair assessment but Poseidon's got a bit of a track record when it comes to his temper... just embodiment of the sea things y'know?

@mattiekarwin3667

Ай бұрын

@@SeikerHikaru Also fair. It's telling that ALL the animatics depict Posideon physically beating Odysseus XD

let's not forget that Odysseus is the KING of Ithaca, even if it was treasure they still could have been executed for it 😭

@fenrirswolh3

22 күн бұрын

That's kind of what I figured. "Not only did you guys ignore the order of you CO, you ignored your KING. Absolute idiots."

One thing you mentioned about how Poseidon takes the place of the giants in Epic. It's not depicted in any of the fan animatics to my knowledge, but Jorge has said and shown in the album livestreams that the backing vocals for Poseidon as well as what destroys Odysseus' ships alongside Poseidon's tidal waves in Ruthlessness are the Laestrygonians aka the giants. So, the giants are still in the story

Personally i think an actual appology would have had SOME effect. I think Poisoden would have just killed HIM instead of his men.

Odyssey Trojan horse is also fake sacrifice for Posidon too

@SeikerHikaru

Ай бұрын

Another to the list of "Things Odysseus did that pisssed off Poseidon"

So to address the intro about Aeolus, he is a king of the winds and he’s a god read the Aeneid by Virgil he plays a massive part in the first bits of book 1. As Virgil is heavily inspired by both the Iliad and the Odyssey we can assume Aeolus is the same one who met Odysseus’s. The other four wind gods are seen to be more directionally focused eg. Boreas being the North wind etc. while Aeolus just rules over them all.

Poseidon actually was on the Greeks side but quickly grew angry at them along with most of the gods over their less than virtuous behavior in victory. And had already decided as the Greeks left that most of them wouldn't get to make it back. So either way Odysseus was already on Posedion's bad side before he maimed his son.

@SeikerHikaru

Ай бұрын

Someone else corrected me of that mixup. And if anything it makes everything so much worse. My calling cap on Poseidon remains ironclad lol. His temper is as fickle as the ocean.

As mortius said he went from mind mommy to wind mommy then more after

Just gotta say because it gets my mind itchy circe = sir see Also minor fun fact while in the odyssey aeolus is a king of the island in actual greek mythology aeolus was a god of wind albeit a man still so thats more or less still a creative liberty That being said there were still the 4 gods of wind who were underlings essentially to the god i believe

@SeikerHikaru

Ай бұрын

Tbf there's like three different Aeolus' in Greek mythology to boot

In Odysseus's defense I don't think an apology would do shit. This entire song was about how "Ruthlessness is mercy upon ourselves." so Poseidon would have just killed them anyway. He probably saw this and said the best thing he could basically, "Hey look, your boy gave me shit and I checked him, I don't like it but we wanted to leave." Also, I just found this channel howdy doody my guy!

@SeikerHikaru

Ай бұрын

In complete fairness to Odysseus as well the gods aren't exactly known for meting out punishments FAIRLY for even a minor slight against them. So yeah as someone else said AT BEST an apology means Odysseus probably would've gotten away with his CREW being spared... not himself. But them Greek Gods do like their poetic ironies.

Look, the crew didn't have enough brain cells for everyone and Odysseus had them for the most part. Still, I *wish* Poseidon had gotten the dudes who opened the bag cuz the part of the song where Odysseus is taken away from dream Penelope is so heart breaking Like, plz guys, this is your captain, your king, did the Trojan war destroy every single part of you that could *follow basic directions??* Did you use all the discipline during the battles and now just sheer stupidity is left?? Odysseus had his moments of stupid both in the original and in the musical, but his crew *inhales deeply* Edit: also, just expanding on Poseidon also having ties with Ithaca. The thing is that nowadays people don't quite get what polytheism truly is. Like, yeah, cities had their patreon gods but it doesn't mean they just ignored all the others. If you had anything to do with the ocean, be nice, make an offering to Poseidon and pray he's in a good mood. If you need nice weather too, there's a myriad of gods to try to appeal to, and all without ever forgetting your patreon god. Like, there isn't any reason that the gods would be truly opposed to being worshipped together. They might have beef with each other in specific myths but it doesn't affect the rest, you know. But considering that most people are monotheists and heavily influenced by Christianism, the in-between lines of polytheism sort of gets lost Just look at any fictional world that has multiple gods, the worshippers of god A usually are fighting the worshippers of god B or C and so on. It's like the idea that you *have* to choose just one god is way too ingrained in people's minds. It's one of the reasons I'm so critical of fictional religions that are polytheistic cuz a lot of nuance just isn't there Sorry for rambling! This type of stuff is my special interest and I get into lecturer mode lol

@J.D.onthego

20 күн бұрын

(Aphrodite looking at Hippolytus and about to be a petty biotch for him “snubbing” her cause he is too busy worshipping Artemis by making his step mother fall in lust with him) 😾 “I think I disagree… and find you’re still missing some nuance… “ “The nuance being that no one better ignore my ass… ever…”

He was called the lord of the wind i think

I've seen Gigi's animatic of this song so many times... and I never noticed Ody flinch when hearing Polites... I'm a disgrace of a Gigi fan.

Also, in some interpretations eurylochus opens the bag over anyone of the other crew

@SeikerHikaru

Ай бұрын

As I commented before, myth Eury was a freakin moron responsible for like half of Ody's problems lol.

@zexalplays628

Ай бұрын

@@SeikerHikaru yep

@thenanodilla_mk0113

Ай бұрын

SPOILER: bro predicted it 💀

@zexalplays628

Ай бұрын

@@thenanodilla_mk0113 yeeeaaaahhhh this aged amazingly

You still gotta do Aniflamma’s Ruthlessness too. That one’s awesome!

POSEIDON WAS NOT ON THE SIDE OF THE TROJANS. Didn't he kill that prophet in the beach that suggested not accepting the trojan horse? Didn't he secretly encourage Agamemnon when Hera was distracting Zeus when Zeus had said none interfere and let Trojans win cuz Thetis-Achilles' mother was pissed on his behalf? No Poseidon was NOT on the Trojan side.

@SeikerHikaru

Ай бұрын

I forgot where that one came from for me but I accept the correction on it. Though perhaps it also depends on interpretations from the Iliad, dunno

@SeikerHikaru

Ай бұрын

But uhm yeah my ass is just wrong so the next pre-song yap will be about that lol

@dionysiosbbbb

Ай бұрын

@@SeikerHikaru it's ok brother. Btw I grew up on comics the illiad and the odyssey plus illustrated books and that's why I remember.

@SeikerHikaru

Ай бұрын

@@dionysiosbbbb Yeah my memory's been hazy at times so some details were... mixed lol

@dionysiosbbbb

Ай бұрын

@@SeikerHikaru really don't worry about it. I do not know everything like the reference to Greek hospitality in Odysseus calling himself nobody.

WOAH. I never made the port city/ patron god connection. good catch!

Since no one really mentioned it, the reason Poseidon didnt like the Trojan comes from the fact he and Apollo were made to serve King Laomedon (Priam father, Hectors grandfather) for a years time for a fixed amount of wages by Zeus, then after building the walls and doing their service(punishment). Laomedon then didnt pay them the agreed upon wages Poseidon seems to have a few myths where people promise him something and then dont they deliver, the wooden horse being a fake sacrifice, Laomedons wages, the bull sacrifice from Minos

Jorge is actually coming out with the first two sagas again as well since the production company has not given him a dime of royalties! So if you want to listen to the first two sagas don’t stream them until the 4th then stream with the new ones.

@SeikerHikaru

Ай бұрын

I've been considering doing a stream to go over some of the other animatics and honestly that also makes a perfect add on to do with it... also explained why my Troy and Cyclops saga vids have revenue sharing claims lol

Posidon's hair looks like it's floating in water

Have you seen Anniflamma's take on the animatic?

Please watch AnniFlama animatic interpretation. She display Posydon more with horses aspect)

HEY! Love your insights on these songs 😁! I would regret it if I didn't make the suggestion, but I really think you'd LOVE anniflamma's animatic of Ruthlessness (kzread.info/dash/bejne/Yn2nu8iYYLitfKg.html&pp=ygUdZXBpYyB0aGUgbXVzaWNhbCBydXRobGVzc25lc3M%3D) , they go for a much creepier vibe for Poseidon that I think really fits the vibe ! Again, love your content, can't wait to see more from you 😁