Namco, Sega, and Nintendo were like best buddies during the GameCube era. It's this partnership that we were able to get Sega making F-Zero GX, how Link got into Soul Calibur II, how Miyamoto is involve with Pac-Man Vs., how we got online play with Phantasy Star Online Episode 1, 2, & 3, how we got Super Mario Kart Arcade GP, how Namco was able to make Star Fox Assault, and how Sonic games were able to be release on Nintendo systems for a time.

@syafnilata1547

Ай бұрын

Also as now because Sega made the ALLS PC for the arcade right now based on windows 10 iot edition found on wmmt 6RR and the Mario kart arcade (southeast Asia)

It’s amazing what crazy arcade hardware is out there in the wild.

@MachoNachoProductions

2 жыл бұрын

Totally agree! It’s a fascinating world.

I remember reading about this in a video game magazine . Didn’t think they ever brought it to fruition. I had friends who thought I was lying and making it up . So nice to see it was real and not a dream lol.

@MachoNachoProductions

2 жыл бұрын

Haha now you can prove them wrong by showing them this video 😁

@MistressNeviah

2 жыл бұрын

Show it to them now

F-Zero AX was an amazing experience in the arcades. The version I played back in the day had a cockpit that would swing, which made all the difference compared to the console version. Also the fact that you had pilot cards and could bring your memory card to unlock stuff in the console game was really cool. I would love to get my hands on one of those systems now.

@MachoNachoProductions

2 жыл бұрын

That is so cool! Would have been awesome to play back in the day! Thank you for sharing your experience 🙏

@Dan-TechAndMusic

2 жыл бұрын

@N.Dpendent Or on a modded Wii, they can play Triforce games too.

@muhaxiiii

2 жыл бұрын

Also AX was not a port

@Lost_Kappa

2 жыл бұрын

Early build of AX is on the GX disc, you can play it on your GC

@Willy-tt6ez

2 жыл бұрын

@@Lost_Kappa Can confirm, it's super fun with a Logitech speed force wheel.

At around 3:43 that should be a USB (likely full speed) Type B port. The spec for Usb-c was released in 2015, so this unit would have predated that

@MachoNachoProductions

2 жыл бұрын

Yep it is usb type b

@partyman_x

2 жыл бұрын

@@MachoNachoProductions It should be noted that it is just a USB type B connector. It's using a different standard for communication that people tend to just refer to as JVS and is incompatible with other USB devices. Also I wanted to note that I'm reasonably sure that power supply is not original, it appears to be a standard ATX pc power supply that the previous owner modified to use JVS power connectors. Original PSUs tend to have different shaped mains inputs

@SheddysGaming

2 жыл бұрын

It's all good. USBc is just what we're so used to saying. I've made the same fumble many times! ✌️

@NeoTechni

2 жыл бұрын

@@SheddysGaming just wait till USB-D comes out, and everyone makes jokes about everyone wanting the D

@SheddysGaming

2 жыл бұрын

@@NeoTechni my first name is Dustin so I await this happily 🤣

The Chihiro was a bit of a mistake. it was based on the Xbox's Debug console, which had twice as much RAM as the retail version, so games like Virtua Cop 3 made for the system could never get home ports. (well, not without a load of comprimises or annoying loading screens)

@ZX3000GT1

2 жыл бұрын

Virtua Cop 3 is playable on a 128 MB RAM upgraded Xbox though (granted upgrading the RAM on the Xbox is complicated). Outrun 2 also proved that you can port Chihiro games with minimal compromises. I still wish WMMT1 and WMMT2 are playable though. -From what I heard those games use even more RAM, so it's unplayable even on RAM upgraded Xbox.- Read the replied comment below.

@MachoNachoProductions

2 жыл бұрын

I definitely plan on doing a Ram upgrade on the Xbox soon. Would be cool if I could run chihiro games on it

@TrimeshSZ

2 жыл бұрын

@@ZX3000GT1 I don't think it's a RAM issue - the "Xbox Arcade" board in the Chihiro has 128MB, just like a debug or an upgraded Xbox - there is also and additional 512MB or 1GB of media board RAM, but that's basically accessed like a HDD (it's connected to the IDE interface). I think the reason a lot of stuff doesn't work on a retail Xbox is simply that it's coded to expect to find the extra hardware that the Chihiro has (like the JVS interface and the accounting EEPROM) that is simply missing on the retail box.

@GoTeamScotch

2 жыл бұрын

In total there were 10 arcade games made for the Chihiro, of which 3 are playable on an Original Xbox (with a 128mb RAM upgrade): Ghost Squad, Outrun 2, and Virtua Cop 3. Folks who are curious to try these Chihiro games can play them on PC using the Xbox emulator "Xemu". They're interesting novelties, but not really worth upgrading an Xbox's RAM for- unless you're also wanting to take advantage of the other perks of having a RAM-upgraded Xbox.

@ZX3000GT1

2 жыл бұрын

@@TrimeshSZ Ah ok. It has been years since I've searched about this. Thanks for clearing that up.

the weird screen fading is definitely an issue of capacitors, I've seen the same issue on a Wii from a video by MattKC. your case isn't as severe, but I wouldn't doubt it considering that the Wii and triforce are both essentially GameCubes

@billymerritt420

2 жыл бұрын

Matt is a really rad guy. Love his content!

@duskshade520

2 жыл бұрын

Also, that loops back to my comment about the cube's optical control board having it's 3 caps go bad, typed out both in premiere livechat and the comments

@Reecetafarian

2 жыл бұрын

I made this exact same comment the scrolled down and found this comment 🤣

@LennyQUMFIF

2 жыл бұрын

Apparently my Wii had the same issue in 2019... (I hit it because of Rage) but it fixed itself like 3 weeks ago lol. (I booted that Wii in the end of 2019, still the same issue, booted it again in the start of 2021, Still same issue, but not as dark, Then 3 weeks ago it automatically fixed itself, i didn't even do anything lol)

I played F-Zero AX in a movie theater arcade. With a Game Cube Memory card, The arcade version brought some extra aesthetic features and ranking in the home GX version.

I played some games with this at the nearest arcade when I was in high school in Japan, I got to play F-zero AX for sometimes, and to be honest, I think most of the games came in to that system was pretty much shadowed by a lot of games that came out at that time, the only machine that I saw at my time was Mario Kart and F-zero so I didnt even knew Virtual Striker was in it (although maybe it's because I live in Ishikawa prefecture and not Tokyo where all happens.) I remember a lot of people where in to playing, Initial D, Majong card game and dynasty warrior card based machine system back in 2003-2004.

@MachoNachoProductions

2 жыл бұрын

That’s so cool that you got to go to school in Japan! I used to love paying inital d, I still have my card for it 😁

The top section of the Triforce is basically identical to the later ("Type 3") Chihiro - you can also make a specially programmed security PIC that has the key set to zero and move some jumpers on the communications board (the bit with the LAN and serial sockets on the top of the media board) to download the code over the network - at which point you don't need the GD-ROM at all.

@MachoNachoProductions

2 жыл бұрын

Whoa that’s awesome! Is there any info in how to do all that somewhere online?

@TrimeshSZ

2 жыл бұрын

@@MachoNachoProductions This is a basic description of the process, although it's talking about the older versions that used the Naomi type NetDIMM (like the older Triforce and the Type 1 Chihiro): 8bitplus.co.uk/projects/netboot-sega-naomi-netdimm/ The deal with the Triforce is similar, although IIRC the boot mode is set by a DIP switch on the media card baseboard. There is also a switch that selects the RAM size (although annoyingly the physical RAM size has to match). There are a bunch of people selling zerokey PICs and a bit of googling will find the hex if you have a suitable programmer. The official tool for sending files to the board is called "transfergame.exe" - it's (c) Sega, so I probably shouldn't post a link, although it's not hard to find. If you want a little standalone solution, then there is an uploader that runs on a raspberry Pi - github.com/ian57/piforcetools-1.X. Unfortunately, it's been a while since I played with this stuff and it's all in storage, but it wasn't especially difficult to get working.

@commandtheline

2 жыл бұрын

Also posted about this. There are several ways to do it but what I like to use is a raspberry pi and piForce. Though I don't specifically own triforce hardware on chihiro and Naomi there's different ways of going about ROMs. You can use a zero key and use encrypted ROMs or you can use decrypted ROMs with no key on those systems. You can add an LCD shield to the raspberry pi and you got yourself a nice remote control to pick which game to load.

@TrimeshSZ

2 жыл бұрын

@@commandtheline If you actually have a "zero key" PIC (I.E. all 56 key bits are set to zero) then the encryption is entirely bypassed and you can send plain files to the unit - the other option is to use whatever PIC you have and just encrypt the files to match that. One other nice feature of the zero key PIC on the Chihiro is that it lets you change the main board region - just go to the "System information" menu in test mode and press "Service" 30 times :)

I remember seeing a couple of mario kart cabinets side by side at an arcade in Okinawa Japan while stationed there in 2008.

I tend to think of systems like the Triforce, Type X, Chihiro, Atomiswave, Naomi, et al as the last dying gasp of the arcade scene. The Neo-Geo was finally retired, and game companies rushed in to fill that gap with 21st century hardware. The problem is that the technological gap between home and arcade games had been closed, and there was no longer a reason to leave home to play games. I don't think I've ever played any Triforce games in an arcade, but I have sampled some of the games with Nintendont, and they're, yanno, okay. The two Mario Kart titles are suitably different from Double Dash, but rely on gimmicks that don't translate well to a home system... a camera for representing the player, a steering wheel that becomes hard to turn when you're hit with a power up, etc. You can't do any of that on the Wii, so that part of the experience is lost. What's left are flashy but flat tracks and power ups that lack the appeal of the bread and butter attacks from the home games.

@MachoNachoProductions

2 жыл бұрын

I couldn’t agree more with your first statement. Great explanation! The gap between home and arcade has finally been closed negating the need for them moving forward. I do however miss the arcade atmosphere.

@ZX3000GT1

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, no. Type X3 is still going strong, ALLS hardware is still running. Also, MKAGP's sequel, MKAGP DX, is much better. It has online mode too.

@jessragan6714

2 жыл бұрын

@@ZX3000GT1 If you think arcades are doing as well as they were twenty years ago, I don't really know what to tell you. Some arcade hardware is still actively supported by its developers, but the market is not nearly as vibrant as it was in the 20th century. That technological edge over home consoles is just no longer there.

@ZX3000GT1

2 жыл бұрын

@@jessragan6714 Of course it's not as strong as it is 20 years ago. But in some parts of the world (like mine), it's certainly more thriving than other parts. For example, there are still things like tournaments over here, games are online with matchmakings and the like. More than technological prowess, the other thing that most people neglect about the arcade is multiplayer - personally it's just much more fun for me to go to the nearest arcade with friends, then play some PIU or WMMT together, compared to play any of the current games online in my room (especially other than splitscreen, companies neglect better local multiplayer ways like LAN/System Link). It's just much more fun to me to play WMMT 4 players with 4 different cabinets than playing equivalent console game with controller and splitscreen.

The only Triforce game I've ever played was F-Zero AX at a mall in São Paulo. It was so exciting to play on an actual cabinet (cockpit) even though the core gameplay was essentially the same as F-Zero GX that I had back home!

@MachoNachoProductions

2 жыл бұрын

That’s awesome! Yeah, I think that’s why the triforce wasn’t super popular, a lot of the games were on the GameCube too

Great Video. I'd love to see some more occasional odd hardware reviews besides console mods. 👍

It's impressive how much hardware came out of the Dreamcast parts bin.

@MachoNachoProductions

2 жыл бұрын

Haha, true

@ZX3000GT1

2 жыл бұрын

It's even more successful than you think. SEGA System SP is a Dreamcast based system and has new games up to 2014.

Can't stop thinking about some 3D printed brackets, so all the components can merge together!

Damn Tito! I had rewind to see the awesome B roll of the Triforce spin at 0:30 , that shot was so clean!

I got to play Mario Kart Arcade GP as a kid at Dave & Busters, it was fun especially when I got to play with other people around, last time I went to the same Dave & Busters, they had 8 Mario Kart Arcade GP DX machines installed.

I had read about the Triforce arcade cabinet on Wikipedia a few years ago and thought it sounded cool. Thank you very much for finding a unit and filming it for us.

We need more videos of this! you should put a Noctua fan in it and definitely upgrade the ram and do some mods. It would be super cool to see.

GD-ROM… On GameCube hardware… Mind Boggling. 🤯

@MachoNachoProductions

2 жыл бұрын

Haha, yes! We can call it the dreamcube 😅

@NiGHTSaturn

2 жыл бұрын

@@MachoNachoProductions One would think they were done with GD-Rom going forward with DVD, but nope! I’m glad the technology was used elsewhere than DC and Naomi!

This is a really cool addition to your collection. Thanks for showing us this!

@MachoNachoProductions

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you! I’m glad you enjoyed this episode!

I've been leaving comment on The Gaming Historian's videos for years asking him to cover this. So amazing that you found one!

@MachoNachoProductions

2 жыл бұрын

I love the gaming historian! He makes fantastic documentaries.

Definitely looking forward to you doing a deep dive into the hardware and what it's capable of.

@MachoNachoProductions

2 жыл бұрын

I hope you enjoyed the video. Definitely plan on doing a deep dive on the hardware and compare it to the GameCube

Such an amazing piece of hardware. I played the Mario Kart Arcade game at one of Disney's Resorts in Orlando, Florida on January 2008. I remember it had some sort of webcam that took a photo of my face and I could put some overlay on the picture like Yoshi's eyes or Mario's cap and the photo was used on the map hud to show the player's position instead of the character face I think. Seeing the hardware closely now, I guess it was connected on the USB port through that secondary I/O board. Thanks for the video!

@RoyalLeoKnight

2 жыл бұрын

Disneyland Resort in California also had Mario Kart Arcade as well all the way in 2012! I remember seeing it and being shocked, since I’d never heard of Nintendo games ever being in arcades like this. What was interesting was in addition to your standard Mario characters playable, Pac-Man, Ms. Pac-Man, and Blinky the Ghost were also playable! Most likely Namco wanting to get a bit of rep in-game beyond just the dev splash screens.

@arthurand1006

2 жыл бұрын

@@RoyalLeoKnight absolutely, I had no idea what kind of hardware was behind all of that, it turns out it was some kind of enhanced Gamecube with USB ports. Nowadays we are a bit used to Nintendo making partnerships to have other characters in some games like Smash Brothers on Switch, but at that time it was not usual for Nintendo, quite remarkable.

Great video! Thank you so much. Very cool.

I wasnt aware of it until you mentioned it but I've played the mario arcade 2 years ago at galloping ghost here in brookfield, IL.

I'm from Chicago where Namco arcade is based so I saw fzero and Mario Kart. The Namco restaurant in Schaumburg still has them today.

@MachoNachoProductions

2 жыл бұрын

That’s awesome! I’ve been to chicago once and would love to visit again! I didn’t know they had a namco arcade! Very cool!

Fascinating, never heard of this hardware! A gamecube motherboard utilizing a GD-ROM drive - wild shit!

Regarding the fan, depending on the voltages it needs, you could probably get away with swapping in an appropriately sized Noctua. They're kind of the industry standard for being quiet with high CFM ratings. Edit: also, the 2000s were the heyday of bad capacitors, and 15 years is plenty of time for a capacitor to die.

@souljastation5463

2 жыл бұрын

Don't do it: this is a piece of arcade history, don't mod it.

@MachoNachoProductions

2 жыл бұрын

Very true, plus with all the heat the cabinets generated and the fact they were left on for long periods of time could have contributed to their degradation.

@dcfuksurmom

2 жыл бұрын

@@souljastation5463 replacing a bad fan or bad caps is not a mod, its a repair

@bobbydilley

2 жыл бұрын

A good replacement for the Triforce fan is a SUNON HA60151V4-1000U-A99 - makes the triforce pretty much silent :)

Thanks for another great video showing off a neat little piece of gaming history I had never heard of before! If I ever fully commit to collecting GameCube era stuff someday I might have to track one of these down.

@MachoNachoProductions

2 жыл бұрын

So glad you enjoyed it Nathan!

one of the few ways to unlock the AX cup in f zero GX was to bring your memory card to the ax machine and plug it into the machine. this for sure must have been powerful hardware for arcades back in the day cause that f zero arcade machine looked ultra modern next to the other machines at he local arcade.

I remember seeing (not playing) a Triforce F-Zero setup in the lodge at Lake Placid Ski Resort back in the day.

@MachoNachoProductions

2 жыл бұрын

Nice!

This looks like it would be amazing with a VGA CRT since it has VGA out. I wish the Wii and Gamecube supported VGA out

@CodeAsm

2 жыл бұрын

converter ic on the media board I think, altho it might be using component out and some sync signal separation. the original xbox in its developement fase had VGA out, but MS dropped support before retail (the chihiro uses a dev mcpx and probably gets its sync signals from the xbox just fine) There where Xbox mods to add the sync signal and have somewhat of a VGA out. I can imagine the Triforce doing the same and Wii/GC being able to do so aswell in certain screenmodes

@TrimeshSZ

2 жыл бұрын

@@CodeAsm The Triforce gets it's video from the digital port and all the cabs I've seen are running the video at 31kHz (I.E. "480p") - DIP SW 6 on the Triforce lets you select either 31kHz or 15kHz video, but most software just throws an error if it's not in the expected position. If you set SW 5 = ON and SW 6 = OFF then it outputs 15kHz with composite sync, but although you got an image and could get into test mode nothing I tried would actually boot in this configuration.

Very interesting video. I was not aware this existed. I worked in an arcade as a teenager never saw anything like this. When Marvel vs Capcom 2 came out it looked exactly like a Dreamcast. They put a lot of arcade games using that system prior to its actual release.

Ive said it before but Sega and Namco are MASTER hardware creators, and with Nintendo's software? Just awesome.

I got to play this in September of 2003, me and my friends drove about 2 hours to play F-Zero AX in the cabinet, I still have the AX license cards. One of Sega's finest games ever produced.

I'm so fascinated by the arcade cabinets hardware. Can't describe how amazing is it to see some of that stuff being used outside of the dedicated cabinet. Maybe someday I will get my hands on some cabinet guts as well. :) Thank you for the amazing video!

I have played all the Mario Kart Arcade GP games so many times. Was on the DX version a few days ago at my local bowling alley.

@MachoNachoProductions

2 жыл бұрын

Nice! The new DX one doesn’t use triforce but it’s really cool that you are able to play the other! Thank you for sharing!

@tonymcnamee2741

2 жыл бұрын

Oh really? I didn't know that. It was awesome to actually see the Triforce itself and I'm looking forward to seeing the full disassembly.

"USB-C Type B"" port. I chuckled cause I've definitely screwed up saying stuff like that before. So easy to slip lol

@MachoNachoProductions

2 жыл бұрын

Haha, yeah I definitely misspoke, meant to say type B

I definitely remember playing F-Z AX in an arcade outside of Nashville, TN. It was a big deal because they were one of the first arcades with it. It was very shiny and snappy at the time.

As always man, GJ on another nice vid.

I actually played an F-Zero AX machine in an arcade in an unexpected town near home, in Parral, México.

At AGDQ 2020, Tokyo Attack brought an F-Zero AX machine for the arcade at the event and it was heavenly! I wish I'd have known it'd be there so I could've brought my memory card with F-Zero GX save data on it. It's a unique game with different physics from GX, and it's even different from the 'AX mode' that has been found in GX. The rotating seat was fun, and the cabinet itself was very cool looking and pretty. Would love to play it again!! I was quite bad at it!

You should be able to replace that fan with a Noctua fan, just make sure to verify what fan connector they used for it before you order one.

@MachoNachoProductions

2 жыл бұрын

I was looking at noctua, but the ones I found were all too thick

@AislingPhoenix

2 жыл бұрын

What size is the stock fan?

I'm kind of amazed that I haven't seen any videos on the Triforce on KZread before! I've heard all about the Chihiro and Naomi from channels like MVG but have never even heard of the Triforce. Thanks for the coverage - can't wait to see more about it :--)

such an obscure piece of hardware, new knew it existed. Thanks for this video.

I remember hearing about the TriForce not to long ago, never thought I’d see how it operated. Really enjoyed this vid.

Very cool vid! I would have loved (and still would love!) some direct capture just to see what exactly it looks like!

For JVS controls, there's YAJVSemu and OpenJVS now that allows you to connect standard USB peripherals/controllers through a RPi. Pretty useful program if you want to consolize the arcade system.

@MachoNachoProductions

2 жыл бұрын

Whoa! That’s awesome!

Encountered an F-ZERO AX machine years ago at Adventure Dome while visiting Las Vegas. The machine seemed in need of some repair as the steering wheel had some issues and the GC memory card slot looked busted but the game was operational.

@MachoNachoProductions

2 жыл бұрын

Very interesting! Yeah, I can imagine these machines took a beating when in use. Thanks for sharing!

This is cool! I played the Mario Kart arcade game at a Dave & Busters in the Denver CO area a few years ago. It had a camera to take photos of your face too!

Yeah they added compatibility for triforce into Nintendont Homebrew. Just add them in like a regular GameCube game.

Don't know if this is covered somewhere in the comments but, the 512 MB RAM referred to by the sticker is for the dimm board. This is a holdover from the Naomi where the GD ROM was an add-on. The Naomi was also cartridge-based but when you add the GD ROM you would have the dimm board or net dimm. What would happen at boot up is the contents of the GD ROM get copied into the 512 MB RAM that was battery backed so as to save wear and tear on the gd-rom. Also if the battery is working correctly it would detect whether the game had changed or not and simply load the game out of RAM. You need these things: a raspberry pi. Piforce or piforce single, a zero key, an SD card and copies of the ROMs (that you already own😁). You can use the features of the built-in net dimm to remotely load a GD ROM image using raspberry pi as a server.

@TrimeshSZ

2 жыл бұрын

You can actually expand that type III Triforce to 1GB - just plug in an additional 512MB DIMM stick and change the switch on the media board. But there is absolutely no point in doing so - all the released games were designed to work with 512MB systems and the size is checked, so all that having a 1 GB Triforce will do is give you a "RAM SIZE ERROR" for any game you try to boot on it!

@CodeAsm

2 жыл бұрын

Awesome, I really need to repair my chihiro and get this too :D (also upgrade to Type3 im afraid, i got the type 1 top)

@TrimeshSZ

2 жыл бұрын

@@CodeAsm I can't remember if anything complained about 1GB on a Chihiro - I do know there are some games (Crazy Taxi High Roller and House of the Dead III for sure) that won't boot on a type 3. Outrun 2 SP is the other way around - it won't boot on a type 1 and needs a type 3. If you have a dead Chihiro, the first thing to check is the Xbox motherboard - they had a really bad failure rate, especially with the GPU fan failing and cooking the GPU. The upside of this is that there are a bunch of spare Type 3 media boards floating around because the xbox board failed. Everything else seems to be highly reliable.

@CodeAsm

2 жыл бұрын

@@TrimeshSZ yeah I suspect either the GPU or mcpx (which also gets really really hot, way hotter then any of my retail or dev xboxes). I might have the tools to get an arcade bios to work on a retail modded board, which might help arcade enthusiasts aswell. hope the kernel and kernel init doesnt need the mcpx2 specific things (the mcpx-x2 and SMC do need eachother, but we also found maybe a way to replace the smc with a opensource clone) anyway, I really hope I get the media board working somehow. if the xbox board turns out to be dead I atleast have a legal source for teh chihiro bios and eeprom. Im not good at BGA soldering yet, so I wont be swapping the gpu or mcpx yet. Im guessing if I get it to work somehow (with the Type 1 top,) the type 3 will too. Do you happen to know if a chihiro should output some video signal without the " Naomi style DIMM board" going on the mating Type 1 board? I dont have the top part (a friend was willing to lend his from his Triforce but he moved places to far away)

@TrimeshSZ

2 жыл бұрын

@@CodeAsm As long as the media board baseboard is plugged in, it should boot to the point where you can run the test mode - if the media board is completely disconnected then it won't do anything because the Segaboot is stored in a flash on the media board and the flash on the xbox board is basically just a bootloader. The type 1 and type 3 media boards seem to be completely interchangeable. Unfortunately, most of this stuff is in storage, but I do still have a type 3 Chihiro lying around, so if you want me to test anything specific let me know.

Joysticks Arcade Bar in Lincoln, Nebraska has a two player Mario Kart Arcade GP system setup.

Play F-Zero AX all the time at Kidstar Park in Florida. Really cool to know it's a Triforce.

I have played triforce games, on my Nintendo Wii, Fzero, Mario Cart GP 1 and 2, Virtual Soccer's etc I have had them on my Wii for about 5 years.

@MachoNachoProductions

2 жыл бұрын

Awesome!

The hardware it's similar to Capcom's CPS III, that board requires a CD ROM unit and a specific key card for each game.

This channel is rad, can’t believe I only just found it but better late than never.

@MachoNachoProductions

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you! So glad you like the channel 😁

Dude this is freaking awesome. I find arcade boards, especially obscure arcade boards absolutely fascinating

@MachoNachoProductions

2 жыл бұрын

Me too! It’s kind of a slippery slope though cause now I want to get more 😅

@SlapNuts4Life

2 жыл бұрын

@@MachoNachoProductions 😂I can imagine!

@slot9

2 жыл бұрын

@@MachoNachoProductions be strong! one is enough! Besides, you might get bored of this one in 6 months. :)

Played Fzero ax and Mario kart GP2 at Nationaal Videogame Museum, The Netherlands. They are fully operational, great games!

I remember a forum where people discussed homebrew for the Wii U. Someone there made custom injects for Wii, GameCube, and Triforce games among other platforms. What I remember is that this person made Triforce injects that had widescreen patches so I played the two Triforce Mario Karts and F-Zero AX in 16x9 on my gamepad screen. The games wiped themselves off my crappy USB drive from the time so I only have one of the Mario Kart Triforce games now lol.

F-Zero AX was not a port of GX. If you load the right save data into a NGC memory card, you run F-Zero AX instead of GX. It was basically the same game. Beside the fact that the system were designed to transfer game data between both (like records and special vehicles). EDIT: I remembered it wrong, it's not a special save, but a specific Action Replay code. So basically it's a software switch in the game image.

Really great to see this and learn about the partnership. In regards to the capacitors maybe being bad, that is a definite possibility. The OG Xbox and Dreamcast both have known capacitor issues that require replacements. This has to do with an incorrect 'recipe' for the chemical compounds that were used; being stolen and then shared with two other companies during the early 2000's. It's known as the 'Capacitor Plague':en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitor_plague

@MachoNachoProductions

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for this insight! I’m definitely going to be checking the caps out during the teardown

@GMack523

2 жыл бұрын

@@MachoNachoProductions You're most welcome! It'll be interesting to see what you find.

I used to work for a vendor who provided arcade machines (in addition to other things like ATMs and gambling machines) to businesses like bowling alleys and bars. That fan noise is very familiar to me. It doesn't sound like a server fan, it sounds specifically like an arcade machine fan. I mostly did delivery of machines, but I also did some repair work. I didn't work on any Triforce game cabs, but we did have a Mario Kart GP2 that I played a few times. The "Key Chips" were on pretty much every arcade game in one way or another. The only exceptions I ever saw that didn't have some form of physical key were cabs from smaller indie developers. Some of the newer games from Raw Thrills won't work if they don't have a connection to the expected display(s) as an additional protection measure.

I remember playing Mario Kart Arcade GP in an entertainment place in Romford, back in 2006 and then in 2007 seeing and playing an upgraded version of Mario Kart Arcade GP, in Funland (formerly SEGA WORLD). The rumble seats were the best feature, because you could feel going over the log bridges (every log bump) and feel the majority of the bumps in great detail. I never took my GameCube memory card with me, but there was also a slot for another card, which I never understood if I got them from the machine or had to own one and take it everywhere with me to play these machines.

A Tear down of This Would Be Awesome to See!

@MachoNachoProductions

2 жыл бұрын

Definitely planning to do that! I want to see how different the GameCube motherboard it to a regular one (and also clean it 😅, so much dust)

This is AWESOME. I would LOVE it if you could do "History" lessons like this one. The Chihiro or Naomi and other arcade systems. I really want to own a Sega system 16, ST-V, and other mulit game type systems. Etc you are VERY knowledgeable and I love you clearly you explain things.

Another thing that’s cool about a soft modded Wii is that you can play all Triforce games on it.

You could try a Noctua fan, they're dead quiet, I have several hooked up to my 3D Printer and they're so quiet I can sleep through a print.. I'd recommend a 3-pin, easier to modify into a 2-pin, though, I believe you can get adapters, I personally prefer modifying. :D I also have a tiny one on my Pi4, with it sat next to me on my desk, I can barely hear it. They're pretty awesome fans.

Was epic getting to play F-zero AX, the full motion seats were too awesome, brought my GX saves and got the hidden racers and tracks back in the day it was epic!

I spent many years in the Arcade Industry and worked for Sega when the Triforce came out. Know the hardware well.

I didn't know that anything besides the Dreamcast and Naomi used GD-roms. Very interesting!

The Triforce is a modified GameCube, and now Sega is now exited of the arcade business

@MachoNachoProductions

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, it’s sad. Sega closed their huge arcade in akihabara, Japan 😔

I knew about this hardware since it was new on the market. Back in the day video game magazines covered this hardware as well as games. Also played F-Zero AX and it was superb.

My local round1 actually has four Triforce systems linked together running Mario Kart Arcade GP and it’s a pretty fun game, especially with others there

It is pretty cool to see you talk in-depth about the Triforce; the Star Fox game by Namco *might* have been scrapped, replaced or actually just turned into Star Fox Assault, which while didn't release into Arcades, it was STILL developed by Namco and for the Gamecube. Regardless of if it was a different project altogether that got scrapped from constraints, an idea similar to F-Zero GX and AX where Assault would be for homes and the unreleased one for Arcades (though the poster has a Gamecube logo so this might not be the case), or simply turning into Assault at the end of everything, it is still cool that we got a Namco- developed Star Fox in first place.

I live in Argentina and I got the chance to see the F Zero game in a shopping mall. Very interesting data Tito!

What a cool peice of history. Looking forward to future tear downs.

@MachoNachoProductions

2 жыл бұрын

Coming soon 😁

The triforce games can be natively played on a hacked wii using Nintendont

I feel like you pulled this out of a parallel dimension...

@MachoNachoProductions

2 жыл бұрын

Haha, yes, a dimension where Sega and Nintendo were friends 😅

As someone who loves F-Zero GX so so so much, I cannot believe you have this system. I'm pretty jealous. If I could have one arcade machine in my house, I would choose an F Zero AX machine with the seat / wheel. so dope. Nice find man!

@MachoNachoProductions

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah dude! The whole f-zero arcade setup was really cool! That would be a neat item to have in the man cave (although it would take up a lot of space 😅)

I was well aware of the Triforce system, due to it being heavily talked about in Nintendo Power. I live in a semi rural area that doesn't have arcades though, so I never thought that I'd be able to play one of the Triforce games. One time when I was visiting my dad in Columbia SC about 15 years ago, he took us to an arcade there, and unfortunately I can't remember the name. I was really excited because they actually had F-Zero AX, AND a four player Mario Kart setup, in addition to a Donkey Kong/Donkey Kong Jr./ Mario Bros. machine. The F-Zero machine was awesome, it had a moving cockpit and everything. I wished that I knew the machine was there, because it one of the ones that I could have brought my memory card to. The Mario Kart one was unimpressive though. There was little that couldn't have been done at home, and in addition, the controls were actually simpler than its console cousins. are he only reap unique thing about the Mario Kart machine was the fact that you could take a pic before the race that acted as a profile pic, and it had features of the racer that you were playing as overlaid. For example, I had Peach's hair, crown, and earrings.

@MachoNachoProductions

2 жыл бұрын

Awesome! Thank you for sharing!

It's crazy to think that in the 80s and 90s the video game consoles were trying to bring arcade games like Street Fighter amd Donkey Kong to our living rooms, while in the 2000s the arcade hardware was trying to bring home console games like F Zero and Mario Kart to the arcade. How times change.

I collect a lot of PCBs and arcade hardware and this has to be the best looking piece of hardware. It must have been a labor of love when it was made to be stuck inside a cab to be unseen. Nintendo actually made an arcade Wii with Capcom a few years later, the RVA-001

get a noctua fan to use as a replacment, they are awesome and quiet.

I've played both Mario Kart Arcade GP 1 & 2 all over the place. Chuck E Cheese's, Bowling Alleys, Mini Golf Centers, it seemed like everywhere that have more than a couple arcade cabinets had a pair of Mario Kart Arcade GP units. And That's not even considering the possibility of having seen a different Triforce game out in the wild. Heck, I'm sure if I were to go back to one of those places mentioned they'd still be there.

This seems like an extremely rare find!

To be fair about the fan issue, it was made to be part of an arcade cabinet, without the expectation that someone would play it all on a desk in the open. Thus, fan volume wasn't as much of a concern.

played the hell out of that mario kart in korea in the arcades, it had a feature that let you put your face on a character. fun game overall

loved seeing this, would love to see more like taito x, sega lindbergh arcade systems

Now I know what TriForce is on an emulation hard drive,I got an emulation hard drive 12TB filled to the brim and theres stuff in there Ive never heard of.It even have both Mario Kart Arcade machines games on it. They were called like Mario Kart GXP 1 and 2 or something similar

There was a short lived F Zero machine at our arcade that I enjoyed but was removed for some reason. The same arcade later got Mario Kart which survives there to this day as a popular machine.

Thank you for the video

Gameworks locations often had a variety of Triforce-arcade games, particularly Fzero AX, often two cabinets for multiplayer, and even Mario kart with four cabinets. I heard some locations had eight mariokart cabinets, but the one here in Chicago did not. Galloping ghost in Brookfield, IL has the only Triforce-arcade game I know of still operating (and fully functioning!) the Fzero AX sit-in, which is just amazing. Rumor has it the starfox arcade was going to use the same cabinet.

What a really cool piece of tech

We still have a Mario Kart GP 2 cabinet in our local arcade. My daughter and I play it every time we go.

Me and my friends played THE HELL out of Virtua striker 3 v.2002... what a game! The graphics looked incredible at the time. Also Virtua tennis 2, which I think was based on the same hardware.

I've known about the Triforce boards for a good number of years now and own a few units myself with at least one of each of the three types. Yes. 3 types. Did you know this? Type 1 boards were more rectangular and required a RAM module from a SEGA NAOMI board along with a GD-ROM drive. Type 2 boards are the ones shown in the video. Internal RAM, required a GD-ROM drive. Type 3 boards are identical to Type 2, but have an SD Card slot on them rather than requiring a GD-ROM drive. Not sure if any of the boards actually work as I bought only the boards just to have them! Anyways love the video, always nice to see someone cover these boards.

Noctua fan is what most Console Modders use, would recommend also. 🙌