Happy First Contact Day

@who-ny5oe

Ай бұрын

Live long and prosper 🖖

@ericmadsen7470

Ай бұрын

​@@who-ny5oe Peace and long life.

@SkrapMetal84

Ай бұрын

the force will be with you.......oh wait.

Wait a minute… pointy ears and a triangle fixation? Are Vulcans secretly Hylians?

Can we have a video about the nation flags of Star Trek and their meaning ? Especially the dominion symbol !!!

@Cam-jv7qy

Ай бұрын

The Borg's hand.

@saphirefoxirl

Ай бұрын

In the gamma quadrant sourcebook for the star trek adventures game there's some stuff about the dominion symbol. As far as I remember it says that it's meaningless and intentionally ugly because the Founders thought that funny.

@goransekulic3671

Ай бұрын

I would really like this. Love vexillology.

@FekLeyrTarg

Ай бұрын

The PC-game "Klingon Academy" has General Chang explaining the symbol of the Klingon Empire. According to him, the pointy blades on the Heart of Virtue represent duty, honor and loyalty.

The Vulcan hand salute is well known as Nimoy and Shatner and Takei and others have brought it up at conventions. To paraphrase the late Leonard Nimoy. 'When I was a boy in the synagogue, my parents to me not to turn around and look during the prayer. Being a curious boy, I did. I saw the priest hold up his hands in the classic V shape. I thought years later in the episode where we were supposed to shake hands, and thought Vulcans probably don't touch each other because of their customs, but instead make a symbol of greeting, live long and prosper, and hold up their hand like the blessing, only one hand, the right hand, as not to cause the censors grief. Ha. It translates to peace and long life, but also live long and prosper.' Confirmed in Star Trek Memories, 1980s. He also mentioned the actress who played TPau the elder priestess couldn't do the salute but got it right at the last minute.

I've always thought it'd be interesting to see an alternate timeline where the Vulcans did not embrace the teachings of Surak but rather Jorak from Beta canon who taught to embrace both logic and emotions. This would cause the would-be ancestors of the Romulans to stay on Vulcan. Vulcans would be a strange mishmash of Vulcans and Romulans as we know them, very intellectual and disciplined but also emotional. They would found the Vulcan Star Empire and come into conflicts with Alpha Quadrant powers and raise humans and Earth as a protectorate species. Basically a mirror universe focusing on Vulcans.

@rayvenkman2087

Ай бұрын

I wonder who would be their enemy. The Cardassians, Breen or Gorn?

@Roxor128

Ай бұрын

There's a story in one of the Myriad Universes books (can't remember which book or the title of the story, sorry) about a Vulcan that never took on Surak's teaching, and by the TOS era it's not unified, still planet-bound (so no Romulans), and being studied by the Interstellar Alliance (Federation counterpart), looking into the possibility of enlisting them to help in a brewing conflict with the Klingons. Without the Vulcans on the interstellar scene, Earth made first contact with the Andorians instead.

@purplejack2020

Ай бұрын

@@Roxor128 huh that would be interesting. I wonder if humans would get along with Andorians better or if our temperments would clash. At least with the Vulcans they were rather chill if condescending

@purplejack2020

Ай бұрын

@@rayvenkman2087 I've been wondering that myself. I don't think these guys would be "evil" vulcans, more so just vulcans that don't pull their punches and are more expansionist. They'd be an empire more in the sense that they incorporate and direct conqured and assimilated races. I was thinking of the Remans but most apocrapha I've seen has the idea that the Remans are actually just mutated Romulans and I can see where thats coming from. Definetly these vulcans would clash with the Klingons but ironically they'd probably be on better terms than the Federation as the Vulcan Empire wouldn't shy from fights which the Klingons would respect. Surprisingly I think the Vulcans and Andorians would get along pretty well in this timeline too. Hmm I'd have to think about who would fill the power vacuum of a missing Romulan Empire...

@purplejack2020

Ай бұрын

@@rayvenkman2087 been trying to think of that myself. Gorn would be interesting but I feel like they're too close to Klingon and Vulcan Empires. Maybe Orions? I'll definitely think on this... Ooh, what about thr Tholians? Maybe in this alternate timeline they get riled up for some reason, maybe they can tell that the timeline is off as they've always seem to be aware of time shenanigans

Deeper than I thought. As an old Trek fan, mind blown. Well done.

The Vulcan salute as passed down by the great green sages Leonardo, Michaelangelo, Rafael & Donatello. & accompanied by the holy mantras of : Awesome, Excellent and Cowabunga.

@rayvenkman2087

Ай бұрын

The thought of Nimoy’s Spock going “Cowabunga” in his baritone voice while doing the salute is too funny to not want to hear it out loud.

Thank you for all your wonderful videos :)

Bjo Trimble and DC Fontana and Gene Roddenberry thought of the IDIC originally as a trinket to sell to fans to help continue the series into the third season of The Original Series. Leoard Nimoy confirmed this at conventions in the 1980s. It's great that trekkie fans have invented a lot of backstory for this curious item. Fascinating.

I see it this way. The triangle is a very logical shape, so it's little wonder Vulcans love them so much.

Vulcans Seem bland, but are very complex and thought trough

When you think about it, it’s rather ironic that this iconic symbol with so much lore now built up in the canon, all originated from Gene Roddenberry wanting to side-hustle a piece of jewelry in final days of the original series, annoying Leonard Nimoy to the point that he nearly refused to wear it. And yet now it’s presented as the primary symbol of Vulcan culture.

I really like your explanations of the Star Trek faction emblems. I know the Klingon emblem has been covered several times by other content creators, but I'd like to hear you talk about that one next. And then please move on to less often discussed faction symbols such as that of the Ferengi or the Borg.

Rick, I wanted to ask if you would consider making a video about the history and potential origin of gold-pressed latinum and its use as an unofficial currency throughout the federation and beyond.

@paulhunter6742

Ай бұрын

Now that's one, about origin of Gold pressed Latium as galaxy currency I like hear about

Space Circle and Space Triangle? *incoherent Destiny noises*

One of the Pocket books continued this lore and it's cool you included some of it in this video. The IDIC Epidemic, by Jean Lorrah.

The triangle also makes me think of a road going into infinity as drawn on a piece of paper.

Happy First Contact Day! 🖖🤝

Fascinating.

See, this is why I love Vulcans.

Love this! Thank you. 🖖

Please do the emblem of the Obsidian Order.

Enlightening

The most important slogan in the whole series for sure

got to give gene roddenberry credit when it comes to simple yet complex meaning designs.

I would argue that the 3 smaller sphere's don't represent Vulcan, Romulus and Remus. But in fact represent the 3 groups of Vulcans, baseline Vulcans, Romulans and the now common Romula-Vulcans (aka Romulan Vulcan hybrids).

It's also the Winged Sun device, an image that occurs time and again through so many stretches of human culture throughout history.

Right off the bat, a triangle pointing inward into spheres.

LLAP, hope you had a good First Contact Day

I always thought the triangle represented the "infinite diversity" all rushing together to one point, the small circle, from which blooms the large circle, representing "infinite combinations"; in other words, just a physical representation of the idea itself.

A circle has 2 sides. Inside and outside. Maybe the IDIC is the representation of Vulcsn's sun, the planet, and a "you are here" arrow.

I think vulcans just really like the song tessellate. Surak be like: "Triangles are my favorite shape Three points where two lines meet"

I am enlightened.

I always understood the circle to be Infinity itself. However, I took the triangle to mean a sampling of the circle itself. Thus the triangle is Vulcans humans or whatever other species you may be existing as part of the circle itself. Similar to a slice of pie being taken from the pie itself.

I was taught the significance of the " ∴ " symbol in math when I was in 8th grade, a long, long time ago...

I might point out that in all representations other than 2D ones, the inner circle is a sphere rather than just a circle, while the ring and triangle remain flat shapes. I also note that said sphere is frequently red..the two may be tied into another of Surak's teachings alongside IDIC..'The arrow in the heart of the Other is the same as in your own, for you are he.' (which, when you come down to it, is the pacifist Surak's way of saying 'Why are you hitting yourself?' :-) ) ...though on further reflection, that connection is probably wrong, since in the Vulcan's case it would be green, rather than red...

I honestly thought you were going to say it was the Vulcan sun being eclipsed. Apparently, the planet Vulcan has no moon.

Happy First Contact Day!

The gap could also represent the ultimate fate of the planet in the Kelvin timeline. Too soon?

Long life and prosperity. 🖖

Live long and prosper.

🖖

I've never actually head anyone sayIDIC, so I always assumed it was an initialism rather than an acronym and pronounced by letter as I.D.I.C. Is it mentioned in any of the series?

@Talius10

Ай бұрын

The three part episode arc in season four of ST: Enterprise covers it.

"live long and prosper love piece and soul"

Many people know this I'm sure, but the vulcan salute is half of a jewish blessing where both hands make the same shape.

@soul0360

Ай бұрын

Yep. According to Leonard Nimoy. While observing a religious ceremony as a child, with his dad. He saw a Rabbi perform the (Two handed) gesture. (Any Jewish practitioner, please correct me). As I recall, one was not allowed to look, at that moment in the ceremony, as a 'Priestess' representing fertility (or something similar) emerged. But his curiosity made him look anyway. The experience, and that gesture stuck in his young mind. So when he in his portrail of Spock, needed something to make him act "Alien". He immediately thought of that gesture, as a greeting. And apparently the higher ups liked it. While not knowing that it had a religious origin. I don't do the story justice. Him telling it, is quite interesting. As I recall, I heard it in an interview here on YT, made a few years before his passing.

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Thumbnail change.....hm....

@CertifiablyIngame

Ай бұрын

Yup, it's performing badly so perhaps I thought something more to the point might help.

Embarrassed to say only realised watching this video that the IDIC was an acronym

🖖Dif-tor heh smusma🖖

Dif-tor heh smusma

Or it just could be a piece of jewelry Gene Roddenberry created to cash in upon last few episodes of Original Star Trek tv show.

Didn’t know the Vulcans were Jewish 🖖

@davidboose8426

Ай бұрын

Leonard Nimoy was, he actually invented the salute.

@gadaadyn8190

Ай бұрын

@@davidboose8426 yep, and cohen blessing symbol is on his grave marker

Lol Vulcans built the pyramids.

Why does infinite diversity infinite combinations sound WOKE ASF

Infinite diversity? Dont give Hollywood any ideas. We already have peak diversity.

@rayvenkman2087

Ай бұрын

But none in ideas, views or thoughts.

@enisra_bowman

Ай бұрын

well, if you're a fan of Gleichschaltung and Patterns of Force is your Favorite Episode, fine.... but then you don't have watch that much other Star Trek, have you. or maybe you should seek help if you find diversity bad

@clintmatthews3500

Ай бұрын

@@enisra_bowmanHollywood diversity is the opposite of actual diversity. A bridge full of all women and no men is diverse, but a bridge of all men and no women is not. A cast of all one group of minorities is diverse but a cast of mostly majority people with some minorities is not. Hollywood diversity is the exclusion of the majority rather than the inclusion of minorities.

@enisra_bowman

Ай бұрын

@@clintmatthews3500 don't make up Strawman arguments since WHERE do such constellations really happen? Outside a ship full of extras. And well, normaly a certain type of people start to whine about "wokeness and diversity when a transwoman is visible for 5sec. Also the wider Movie scene, how often do such mishaps like Ghostbusters happen? A Movie that could also been saved by having the advertised "own Story"

@rayvenkman2087

Ай бұрын

@@clintmatthews3500 I would consider their “diversity” to be of an insincere kind. The kind that’s corporate-mandated not because they believe in it but because it would earn them money and good PR while not practicing what they preach. The kind who’ll publicly condemn the casting couch culture but do nothing to actually eliminate it altogether, address the predatory culture that still exists even after the Weinstein Scandal, the clique club culture that exists now and then there’s the unpleasant matter with the child actors... For all their talks of diversity, we’re seeing more sequels, remakes, reboots, prequels or adaptations of existing works than actual originality and many of them are telling the same brand of stories that don’t challenge or raise questions since they want to cater to the China market whom would then go and censor the parts that they don’t care for or edit the posters according to their sensibilities. Neuter whatever artistic edge or expression they have to pander to the biggest crowd for the biggest profits. I believe there were film critics and people in the business had raised concerns about the film industry becoming corporatised going into the 1980’s and onwards after the failure of Heaven’s Gate which in hindsight doesn’t seem too unreasonable a concern given what’s come out in the last few years.

IDIC is to Star Trek what the Gospels are to Christianity. The moment new Trek abandoned IDIC for the concept of "There's only room at the table for those who think like we do" I knew genuine Trek was dead. Because in genuine Star Trek there's room for everybody. Even those you disagree with.

@rayvenkman2087

Ай бұрын

How ironically Enterprise Romulan NuTrek is with that mindset. Very Gul Dukat of them.

@enisra_bowman

Ай бұрын

@@rayvenkman2087 more the Irony that Gatekeeper talk about that while beeing in the Tradition of inventing reason to claim that the newst Trek is bad

@rayvenkman2087

Ай бұрын

@@enisra_bowman Acting like the problem with NuTrek is all in our heads that we create to help us sleep easier and not from a constructive point of view where we can see bad creative decisions being made from people who are getting paid a lot of money to manage. Nice try attempting to twist my words like that.

@enisra_bowman

Ай бұрын

@@rayvenkman2087 or you Gatekeeper now just claim something is bad without any arguments, at least you tried when you made these claim against DS9 and how Braga ruined Star Trek. Look Kiddo, maybe i can take you seriously when you not sound like a broken record or a 3yr old that hates everything but can't even tell why

@rayvenkman2087

Ай бұрын

@@enisra_bowman And you’re taking shots at me instead of the original commenter while making up bull I never even stated including the so-called “claims” you speak of. All I said in response to the above comment is how Romulan of them because they stray from the original concept of the IDIC as did the Vulcans in Enterprise and how Dukat of them because they’re manipulating facts to serve their narrative but ignore the other viewpoints that exists. Also Gatekeeper? Really? I can’t even take you seriously when you’re trying to act like an adult but attack me out of the gate with that and you sure didn’t bother to explain why I’m wrong except that I am wrong because you say that I’m in the tradition of making up reasons against NuTrek which is a pretty bold claim to start off with instead of maybe trying to understand it from my point of view or respond to the original commenter that started this thread.

Live long and prosper.