I will never be able to think of the Stonetalon Mountains without thinking of the "WoW's darkest secret" video

@MichZilla90

8 ай бұрын

Yep same

@hezerd6780

8 ай бұрын

sameeeeeeeeeee

@simonf.8271

8 ай бұрын

Blizzard should embrace the Krond the Butcher villain arc :D

@thewearyexile9000

8 ай бұрын

True af. That video tricked me furshore.

@Jediwarlock

8 ай бұрын

Haha, I'm so glad people remembered that video!! :)

Ah, yes, the SoCal lady killer

@Jediwarlock

8 ай бұрын

It's his hideout for sure :D

@tbcgbvcb

Ай бұрын

I'm here to see how many people look up the video to find out

That nailed plank to the directional post reading "The Charred Vale" is such a cool, intentional detail.

@Jediwarlock

8 ай бұрын

I agree! :D

On a private Classic+ server Turtle WoW, Venture Co. retreat is used as a fully developed starting zone for the goblin race. You start as a Venture Co. mercenary, but later you escape on a flying machine and join the Horde - something reminiscent of the deathknight WoTLK plot. So if anyone wants to play through this zone, it's very much possible.

@DIEGhostfish

8 ай бұрын

Yep, saw someone's play it, it looked great. Also had spooky ghosts further scare you off.

@Jediwarlock

8 ай бұрын

That is super cool!! I did not know about that before today :)

@Drakkona123

7 ай бұрын

That was actually removed, not sure what the area is now. Goblins start on an island now just like in retail.

@DIEGhostfish

7 ай бұрын

@@Drakkona123 Oh that's kinda sad but I also now need to see the new island start.

@Llama_lolz

14 күн бұрын

Now replaced/updated with an entirely new starting zone off the coast of Durotar. 100% recommend

now we know where the Socal Lady killer hides

@Jediwarlock

8 ай бұрын

Exactly! XD

Video idea: Graveyards of Azeroth. Mechanically they're just places to rez, but if there rhyme and reason to their placement from a lore perspective? Do they have lore or history? Or are they just random and purely mechanical.

@fernandovilla902

8 ай бұрын

I like that!

@PandoricaLost

8 ай бұрын

Love this idea also!

@alchemyty

8 ай бұрын

He could go a step further and talk about some of the graveyard resurrection npcs and their history of why they're there... if there is any lore on stuff like that.

@KevinArcade87

8 ай бұрын

Also in a lot of locations mostly villages and cities but also some quest areas with belltower whenever the ingame time goes into the next hour you will hear a bell or horn.. or something similar sound there's different ones all around the world.. has anyone ever mapped these locations and all the sounds?

@GadgetronInc

8 ай бұрын

I do like the variation of them. Where for instance at Light's Hope chapel, the graveyard is simply a pit for burning corpses to prevent necromancy reanimation.

This place was added on Turtle WoW with full quests, Horde base and starting zone for goblins and even a way that connects to the port.

@DIEGhostfish

8 ай бұрын

To the port? You go back there and it has a port?

@Jediwarlock

8 ай бұрын

That's very cool! Turtle WoW is doing awesome stuff. :)

@simonredcsgo

8 ай бұрын

Ive never been there as horde but there are a few quests for alliance too there. its a good addition

@balobaev

5 ай бұрын

@@DIEGhostfish the port is located in the custom subzone called Blacksand Oil Fields

One thing I remember from the WOW beta is that Stonetalon got a redesign. Early on it was basically the camp at Malaka'jin for the Horde, and almost a straight line from there up to the north with branching paths to the Venture Co. Logging area, the Kobold mine (I forget the name of it, but specifically the one with tons of kobolds in it, not the Venture Co. mine near the logging area), the two Alliance NPCs, the path to Stonetalon Peak, and the Charred Vale + road to Desolace. Webwinder Path was marked on the map, but there was no Shishir Canyon full of spiders, and no Sun Rock Retreat. Or at least IIRC, not the little camp/town you can visit in Classic. There might have been a flight path but that's about all I can think of. I remember the kobold caves/mines area was where Shishir Canyon is in Classic now, and I don't remember anything being where they relocated the kobold caves/mines to. Old Stonetalon would be in one of the earlier Beta builds of the game, if those files are around somewhere, and I'm sure I don't have this zone's old format exactly right. But the only reason it even sticks in my mind is, before the redesign, they had a brief bug where Webwinder Path's discovery tag accidentally gave gold instead of XP like all the other POIs in zones. So a bunch of people walking into the area suddenly heard the coin looting sound and saw they had like ~200g out of nowhere. It was obviously a work in progress zone now that I think about it, especially with how they DID have Braelyn Firehand (if I have her name right) to give you the quest chain that leads up to The Den for Horde players and still had the Barrens quests that lead you to the zone at Crossroads and Ratchet, that are still in Classic today: getting spider eggs, checking in on the goblin guy, killing Venture Co. guys and then the shredders, Gerenzo Wrenchwhistle, etc. But it was kinda wild to see how it got transformed later in beta when they wanted to add Shishir Canyon and the Horde town up at Sun Rock Retreat. Most of the other unfinished zones were locked away until they were ready to fully implement their quests, mobs and NPCs, but Stonetalon was open when they started beta (it had a level cap of 35 when I got in).

@Jediwarlock

8 ай бұрын

That's so cool! Thank you for all that info on the early days. :)

Dude as IF after 20 years of being a fairly seasoned vanilla cut content/exploration nerd I'm learning something totally new. I had no idea about the Venture Co Retreat area, this is so awesome! Great video mate!

@KevinArcade87

8 ай бұрын

Same 😂 I'm so into wow exploration yet in Classic and even now I discovered new locations

@Jediwarlock

8 ай бұрын

Thank you! There's always something new you can learn about WoW even after all these years! ;)

The Venture Co. Retreat is used as the Goblin starter zone in Turtle WoW! Didn't know that it was a leftover of an abandoned storyline. I wish there was more information about what was dropped (and why), if they just lost interest or ran out of time..

@Shokisan1

8 ай бұрын

That's awesome

@Jediwarlock

8 ай бұрын

Very cool! I did not know about the Turtle WoW zone! :)

Just randomly got this vid as recommended. 100% gold. Great editing and interesting stuff not many are doing. Looking forward to binging the other videos lol. I hope SoD blows your channel up!

@Jediwarlock

8 ай бұрын

Thanks so much!! Welcome to the Jedi Order :D

I think the abandoned camp in the north of the charred vale is a reference to the orc campaign of warcraft 3 RoC when Cairne and Thrall travel to the cave to meet the Oracle. The Harpy Queen of the Vale is even killed in said mission by Thrall and his troops. Most certainly the Venture Co. came at a later point.

@zyella277

8 ай бұрын

they did use zeppelins from some goblins, so couldve been some of first venture co there

@Jediwarlock

8 ай бұрын

That's a good idea! It could have definitely been that area as well. :)

turtle wow has expanded the zone and made those areas accessible, with new quests

@Jediwarlock

8 ай бұрын

I'm so glad you mentioned that!! That is good to hear... Turtle WoW is doing great things! :)

I LOVE hidden passages in WoW. I'm finding there are a lot of hidden pathways between zones that connect them. Pretty cool. 💖

@Jediwarlock

8 ай бұрын

Yes, secret tunnels!! :D or paths too haha

Stonetalon mountains had such an important role in wc3 I'm suprised it didn't get a raid or a dungeon back in vanilla.

@DIEGhostfish

8 ай бұрын

It was going to have "Stonetalon Peak" after all😊

@hylje

8 ай бұрын

WC3 had a bona fide dungeon mission (the first such of the campaign sequence… out of 5?) at Stonetalon Peak proper. Does it even have a closed off entrance in the terrain? It was a place where Medivh hung out so it could even have been added in a later Medivh-adjacent expansion storyline.

@Jediwarlock

8 ай бұрын

I agree! The Oracle Cave/barrow den would have been a great place to make larger (like Jaedenar size) or make it into a full dungeon. :)

@DIEGhostfish

8 ай бұрын

@Jediwarlock Barrow dens are too small and miserable for a real elite dungeon.

Fun fact; until very recently, the venture co retreat was the starting zone for goblin players on turtle wow

@Jediwarlock

8 ай бұрын

That is so neat!! :)

There's also the final quest of the Alliance that has you go to Feralas and ask the Wisps to revitalize the Charred Vale. Anyway, I believe the Stonetalon Story is pretty good already and other Zones, like Azshara or Tanaris, need more attention. But I really love Stonetalon for it's beauty and diversity, so I'd take a good expansion of it any day! It's such a shame they messed it up in Cataclysm. I hope there will be more good zone / quest expansions (like Dustwallow Marsh from TBC) in Season of Discovery!

@Jediwarlock

8 ай бұрын

I agree... SoD here we come!! :D

Stonetalon Mountain is missing a lot considering it had a dedicated mission in Warcraft III. Medivh met with Jaina and Thrall at a cave at the very top of Stonetalon Mountain, a section wich was held by humans who decimated the forest area around the peak. In the mission you need to push thourgh the skies as Thrall's forces. The area is also revisited in the extra campaign.

@DIEGhostfish

8 ай бұрын

TWO surface missions and thr Medivh dungeon.

@Jediwarlock

8 ай бұрын

I agree! They could have easily added more to this zone based on the WC3 lore... maybe even a dungeon or Jaedenar-sized area for the Oracle Cave/barrow den instead of just the stock druid area we got in-game. :)

@destar1

8 ай бұрын

that's right@@Jediwarlock

@destar1

8 ай бұрын

LOL @@DIEGhostfish

I love these types of videos. There's one unuse cave at the enter of the road to Charred Vale which seems like it could have been use for something related. I've always liked secret shortcuts between zones, especially the two in Stonetalon that you mention, it reminds me of the ""secret"" hinterlands/western plaguelands shorcut.

@Jediwarlock

8 ай бұрын

Yes! I'm guessing that small cave on the road could have once been used for some sort of shaman/ritual questline since I believe there are one or two other caves in the zone that don't serve a purpose either ;)

Thats a really cool detail with the signpost I never noticed

@Jediwarlock

8 ай бұрын

Right?? Crazy the level of detail they put into some of these things. :)

(in classic) if i remmember correctly that it is in stonetalon, you can use eagle eye as a hunter up on the highest mountain tips there and it has the word HELP on both of them:) found it by acident

@Jediwarlock

8 ай бұрын

That's cool! I'll have to investigate ;)

The small camp you showed is interesting. I never knew what was going on in the Stonetalon. So this was a huge help. I, as you said, never return there. I only ever went back to find a pet option for my Hunter. So learning all the Lore was really cool, interesting, learning, Neat! lol. Thank you Jedi.

@Jediwarlock

8 ай бұрын

I'm glad you enjoyed it! There are a lot of cool little details in this zone :)

i love stonetalon, it is my fav zone by far. its just so great. sunrock retreat has a few "secrets" too and the waterfall venture co area. also some really cool areas like the grove in the north or the charred vale. cata did add some cool stuff to the zone, but overall it just screwed it all up

@Jediwarlock

8 ай бұрын

I agree! Post-Cataclysm I feel like there was Way Too Much stuff added onto the map and it got way too convoluted! The Classic zone had that lonely charm to it. :)

So many memories from back in OG Vanilla, PVPing in my level 30s/40s.

@Jediwarlock

8 ай бұрын

It's definitely a PvP heavy zone! :D

Wow the goblin-valley is the starting zones for goblins in turtle wow :)

@Jediwarlock

8 ай бұрын

That's awesome! I did not know that before today. :)

Those darn harpies 😆 I love questing in Stonetalon, tho. I know it's temp, but you sound a lot clearer with this setup. 😊

@Jediwarlock

8 ай бұрын

Thank you! :)

On the turtle wow servers they expanded stonetalon just like you said, added a quest hub at Venture Co retreat and took the story a bit further.

@Jediwarlock

8 ай бұрын

That's so cool! I'm glad Turtle WoW found out about it and decided to use it. :)

I’ve been playing this game for most of my life and I thought I knew absolutely everything there was to know, down to every quest and secret and bit of cut content. I had never heard of the Venture Co. Retreat before. I love this obscure stuff, please keep em coming :)

@Jediwarlock

8 ай бұрын

More on the way! My motto is that you can learn something new about WoW everyday if you explore hard enough ;)

@YoureSoCreezy

8 ай бұрын

you can never know everything about this game. its too vast. heck i knew about the venture co retreat but didnt know about those small paths connecting sunrock retreat to the charred vale

Always loved to quest in this zone and to farm the spiders for hours and sometimes even days

@Jediwarlock

7 ай бұрын

It's peaceful :)

been there plenty of times now. love the ambient music!

@Jediwarlock

8 ай бұрын

It's a zone with great ambience/environment ;)

Great video! Despite classic ST being relatively lacking quest-wise, i always found its still a pretty interesting environment. With the cartel tearing up trees on one side. The harpies and elementals burnt up the other side and the night elven area at the far north all plush and green. The way it was setup with the mountains blocking many views, it gave you a feeling of not being sure what to expect when you came around them

@Jediwarlock

8 ай бұрын

It's true! I like the Classic version of it quite a bit :)

There's also a large textured area in between Desolace and Feralas. Directly north of Dire Maul

@Jediwarlock

8 ай бұрын

I'll have to check it out! :D

Hey man, great video as always. Keep em coming!

@Jediwarlock

8 ай бұрын

Thanks so much! More on the way! :)

ST is wellknown for horde players as one enters at quite low level and usually running into higher level alliance.

@Jediwarlock

8 ай бұрын

Ooh yes, good point! Better watch out on PvP servers! :o

Wow just wow

@Jediwarlock

8 ай бұрын

:)

I hope they give the dead zones more life in Seasons like - "Deadwind pass"?? or Moonglade! I hope they adding more quest to Winterspring!

@Jediwarlock

8 ай бұрын

I agree! I think Winterspring has a great opportunity to get more quests if they introduce Hyjal in SoD since it's basically the doorstep of Mount Hyjal already! :)

On 0.5.5.3494 (Alpha) there is a bunch of structures visible on the map at the Venture Co Retreat area. Where the Horde base is used to be an island

@Jediwarlock

8 ай бұрын

That is cool! I did not know about that. :)

Venture Co must have great benefits for how much they send people to their deaths and still have a healthy amount of employees.

@Jediwarlock

8 ай бұрын

It's true! In the lore it's stated that the Venture Co. pulls some of the greatest scientists from the other goblin cartels... something must be bringing them there! XD

I honestly think they might've stopped development on that area once they realized they've basically telling the same story as with Ashenvale with the Warsong vs. Sentinels, and they focused on that instead with us getting the battleground and reputation. I wish we could've gotten a Stonetalon World PvP focused area, but maybe we will in Season of Discovery, they're just doing Ashenvale first.

@Jediwarlock

8 ай бұрын

That is a good point! Ashenvale will definitely be the main hub in Part 1 of SoD... I'm curious to see where they go next!

Hi Jedi! I love these videos. They offer so much insight into cut content and what could be made in Classic+ or WoW 2.

@Jediwarlock

8 ай бұрын

Thanks! I definitely think it could be a possibility for Season of Discovery :)

many of these places hidden away are just meant for flightpaths to not be so dull

3:40 I believe this area is where Amani'Alor is located on Turtle WoW. (It is a Revantusk troll settlement)

@Jediwarlock

5 ай бұрын

I haven't been on Turtle WoW before but that sounds legit! :)

@balobaev

5 ай бұрын

@@Jediwarlock you should try TWoW, it's infinitely more interesting than SoD

I loved to roam this region with my young orc shaman, aaaah great times. And a fittingly great video 😎

@Jediwarlock

8 ай бұрын

Thank you! :)

Great video Master!

@Jediwarlock

8 ай бұрын

You are welcome! :D

I love speculative videos about unfinished content like this and I'm subscribing in the hopes that you will make more.

@Jediwarlock

8 ай бұрын

I will definitely make some more in the future! :)

Really interesting. Ty for that

@Jediwarlock

8 ай бұрын

You are welcome! :D

Nice video 😊

@Jediwarlock

8 ай бұрын

Thank you! :)

Beware of Krond, some are saying he's a maniac! 😅

@Jediwarlock

8 ай бұрын

I'll watch out! :o

Very good video, want more like these

@Jediwarlock

8 ай бұрын

Thank you! I'll definitely make more in the future. ;)

It seems odd there wasn't a dungeon or raid dealing with the Oracle's Cave from WC3, where Thrall and Jaina first met.

@Jediwarlock

8 ай бұрын

I agree! I think instead of the stock druid area we got in-game, it could have easily been made into a Jaedenar-sized area or even its own dungeon/raid like you say :)

Thank you!

@Jediwarlock

8 ай бұрын

You are welcome! :)

This is the place Turtle WoW made the Goblin starting zone isn't it?

@Jediwarlock

8 ай бұрын

That is what people have been telling me! It's cool they ended up using this place. :)

so much space to use in classic azeroth lands - always wonder why they dont use these kinds of spaces for xpac content

@Jediwarlock

8 ай бұрын

Very good question! Maybe they will in SoD :)

I have no idea why this zone is one of my favourite. It's very peaceful, I simply love questing there.

@Jediwarlock

8 ай бұрын

It's very calm and unique in terms of atmosphere :)

@iug1925

8 ай бұрын

@@Jediwarlock yeah and it might sound a bit weird but I think, of all the classic zones, this one really aged well.

turtle wow is incredible, check it out, especially STM. The more I learn the more changes there make sense!

@Jediwarlock

8 ай бұрын

I'm very tempted to! :)

such a mysterious zone

@Jediwarlock

8 ай бұрын

Agreed! :)

Okay what's with the turkey placed into the charred vale lol

@Jediwarlock

8 ай бұрын

Just a little Thanksgiving reference XD

I never knew about that secret trail

@Jediwarlock

8 ай бұрын

Me neither! It's hidden in plain sight! XD

I wish stonetalon kept some ruins of the old human buildings Grom and Thrall destroyed, maybe some quilboar areas too since they were creeps there.

@Jediwarlock

8 ай бұрын

I agree there is definitely room to add more! You have some good ideas. :)

@balobaev

8 ай бұрын

On Turtle WoW there is a quilboar area called Bramblethorn Pass

@DIEGhostfish

8 ай бұрын

@@balobaev Oh cool! I remember reading an idea about quilboar vines running through old alliance ruins to combine my ideas, but I'm glad they're in.

@balobaev

8 ай бұрын

@@DIEGhostfish Turtle also added to Stonetalon a dwarven settlement Bael Hardul (which is probably a remnant of Alliance expedition from WarCraft III), new Venture Company-themed subzone named Blacksand Oil Fields and Horde-aligned goblin base called Powder Town

Awesome

@Jediwarlock

8 ай бұрын

Thanks! :)

I wonder how this zone looked in alpha, if there indeed was some content cut close to the finish line!

@Jediwarlock

7 ай бұрын

Yeah, it would be interesting to explore!! :)

4:05 Whats up with the giant turkey?

@Jediwarlock

8 ай бұрын

Thanksgiving in America was last week ;)

you produce good content, cant wait for you to get to 20k subs. would you do a video on the ironforge airport and the throne room under the city?

@Jediwarlock

8 ай бұрын

Thanks so much!! That would be a fun video... two of the greatest "secret" spots in Classic! :D

I'd love a Venture Co themed dungeon there.

@Jediwarlock

8 ай бұрын

That would be cool! Maybe the goblins delving into the side of Stonetalon Peak and running into the barrow dens from Warcraft III where Jaina and Thrall met! :D

Lack of quests? Horde had more than enough

@Jediwarlock

8 ай бұрын

Good point, I suppose specifically I was meaning on the Alliance side... besides that one Charred Vale questline and a couple of fetch quests coming from WAY far away, there's not a lot going on for them here.

i had no idea about this

@Jediwarlock

8 ай бұрын

I'm glad I could show you something new! :D

Never played horde, but the vanilla town is pretty broken in Classic. There's an empty house that has such bad occlusion that no matter how you position yourself the camera will glitch out and the building disappears. The whole area feels very unfinished.

@Jediwarlock

8 ай бұрын

I agree! There is definitely room for additions here.

Hmm... is this venture co area still in place after the events of cataclysm? I'd check myself but i'm currently elbows deep in work while i listen, hahah

@Jediwarlock

8 ай бұрын

I don't believe so... from the Cataclysm map it looks like the Thal'darah Overlook takes its place on approach to the Charred Vale... there could be other hidden secrets on the western slopes though! :)

I actually mapped them out and its a very odd symbol.

@Jediwarlock

8 ай бұрын

What did you map out?

Chek out what Turtle WoW made in this area, a whole new experience.

@Jediwarlock

7 ай бұрын

I reallllly want to check it out! :)

Actually, player can get there, you just need to jump in the right place. It's also really easy

@Jediwarlock

3 ай бұрын

I need more practice haha, that's cool that it is accessible to players! :)

love the video but please get a pop filter for your mic 😅

@Jediwarlock

7 ай бұрын

Hopefully my next vid is better... I didn't have the filter on my setup during holiday. :)

The Socal lady killer?

@Jediwarlock

8 ай бұрын

Haha, I'm glad people remember that video! Such a great hoax XD

I hate how Cata ruined this zone.. among most of the old world zones.. But this palce was a special place and its just a shadow of what it once was just to make room for memes.

@Jediwarlock

7 ай бұрын

Yeah! Cata hindered more zones than it helped in my opinion.

i know classic content pre cata is your bread and butter but i was wondering if you'd ever make videos exploring the ocean around legion's broken isles? theyre really cool and ive always wanted to but it would take so long

@Jediwarlock

8 ай бұрын

Ah, more Azeroth's Deep Dives!! A lot of people have been asking... maybe I'll check out retail someday ;)

4:04 wtf is that thing on the right

@Jediwarlock

8 ай бұрын

Thanksgiving Turkey XD

I think the goblins were innocent. Maybe it was just a spa retreat.

@Jediwarlock

8 ай бұрын

Of course! They are the most misunderstood after all.

It was designed by Krond 😢

@Jediwarlock

8 ай бұрын

Ah yes, I am familiar with that!

Stonertalon, and Deadwand Pass are easily the Most forgettable zones in vanilla

@Jediwarlock

8 ай бұрын

Agreed! Classic+ has the chance to make both of those more relevant ;)

So Cal, were you a lady killer?

@Jediwarlock

8 ай бұрын

Haha, I'm so glad people remember that video! XD

Use a pop filter pls :>

@Jediwarlock

7 ай бұрын

This was recorded on my temporary setup so hopefully today's video sounds a little better! :)

@powernerdpro2064

7 ай бұрын

@@Jediwarlock ok thx =)