I put a little JB Weld in the stem and use a waxed bullet to make a custom fit. Works great to prevent marks...my .223 seater really has issues with the long ELD bullets.

@markandsamafterwork

2 жыл бұрын

Cheers Steve, yeh that would work to, thanks man, cheers

@gilream

2 жыл бұрын

That is a very novel idea Steve White. Makes really good sense.

@rosswitte

28 күн бұрын

I was thinking a plastic cap or piece of leather. Nice!

I used to use the lube pad to apply a smear of lube to the inside of the neck of the case and then I tried dipping the neck into graphite-coated ceramic spheres, no sticky lube touching the powder and it's an oilless alternative. It seems to me to give more consistent bullet tension, very easy to use and no mess, "Imperial" makes it. Yet again, great infomation! Cheers.

@markandsamafterwork

2 жыл бұрын

Cheers Mark, thanks

Great in depth information. Thank you Mark.

@markandsamafterwork

2 жыл бұрын

Cheers Rich, thanks

As always, great information! Thanks Mark and Sam 🤙

@markandsamafterwork

2 жыл бұрын

Cheers

Great stuff Mark as usual thanks for the info , Steve .

@markandsamafterwork

2 жыл бұрын

Cheers Steve, thanks

Thanks once again. I had just accepted "the mark" as part of life. I'll try some of your tips and see what happens.

@markandsamafterwork

2 жыл бұрын

Cheers Man, thanks

Great advice as always mate thanks Mark👍

@markandsamafterwork

2 жыл бұрын

Cheers

Some seating stamps have sharp edges. Smooth polishing helps. Sometimes changing the seating stamps helps. Brass prep brings the most, as Mark said.

@markandsamafterwork

2 жыл бұрын

Cheers Man, thanks

Very interesting. Thanks for making this video

@markandsamafterwork

2 жыл бұрын

Cheers

If you take a projectile and wrap a small piece of fine sandpaper or emery cloth around it where the rings form, you can easily take the sharp edge off by inserting it in the seating stem and twisting gently. Follow up with a little polishing compound on a thin cloth on the tip of a projectile to clean up the sanding marks.

@markandsamafterwork

2 жыл бұрын

Cheers

Thank you Sir! Very helpful 👍👍💯

@markandsamafterwork

2 жыл бұрын

Cheers Man, thanks

Have reloaded for 25 years.... years ago I shot long range.. now that I am really old the ring doesn't matter because I just mainly hunt

@markandsamafterwork

2 жыл бұрын

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Thanks! Now I can tell people I was going for consistency!

@markandsamafterwork

2 жыл бұрын

Lol, cheers

Fabulous information, I started to get light witness marks on my 308 and 6.5 creedmoor loads but the groups seemed more consistent so I just went with it. I didn't notice anything in my data being different, so I just see it as a gauge that my neck tention is consistent

@markandsamafterwork

2 жыл бұрын

Well, reasons are all explained, but if your happy with your result, go with it, Cheers

@drd1924

Жыл бұрын

Light witness marks aren't so much a big deal unless it begins to deform the jacket. I have found certain seating stems have a very evident transition right in the Ogive at the point where it puts pressure on the bullet to seat it into the case neck.... As opposed to a stem which sort of smoothly transistions the inside radius and matches the shape of the ogive. The closer you can match the shape of the ogive offers the most surface area to seat the bullet as opposed to one single sharp edge pushing down on the bullet. Some stems I have spun in the lathe or even a drill and sanded away the sharp edge inside the stem which helps. Other guys I have read actually put some epoxy inside the stem then insert their bullet into the stem so that the inside of the stem matches the shape of the bullet to alleviate any single portion denting the bullet. Anneal your brass about every 3rd reloading also helps achieve consistent neck tension to prevent jacket deformation.

For readers: use a long drop tube or vibratory settling techniques when using loads with compressed powder. This can give you some buffer to avoid deformation when working with compressed loads.

@markandsamafterwork

2 жыл бұрын

Yes. also tapping gently can help settle too, Cheers

Also found when I switched to VLD projectiles that I was getting those marks. Redding made a seating pin for VLDs, so got one and put that in my seating die and this fixed my marks. Most newer dies probably come with VLD ones, but if it's an old die could check to see if you can get a seating pin designed for VLDs. I use it on all my projectiles and don't have a problem.

@markandsamafterwork

2 жыл бұрын

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Wonderful Mark! I, an admitted neophyte to reloading, recently obsessed about the very faint ring on my rifle bullet. I scoured the forums and the more I read about the subject, the more I felt that I needed a resolution. I am almost embarrassed about the money I spent on different stems and other "remedies". Nothing fixed the issue. More recently I was reloading and I thought, " wait a minute. The barrel cuts and distorts around .008in gouges into the bullet after firing, and what am I trying to get rid of? .0001in faint rings. Why"? Well, I have not noticed a verified change in my groups either way. I wished I'd thought to check your channel and see your perspective. I would have paused on all of this ring trouble. Thank you for covering the topic.

@markandsamafterwork

Жыл бұрын

Cheers Jeff, thanks

Great info, thanks for sharing :)

@markandsamafterwork

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Oddur, Cheers

Well explained Mark , as soon as you start talking " i start listening "..

@markandsamafterwork

2 жыл бұрын

Cheers Shane, thanks

I’ve found that a simple fix is a felt bob on a die grinder with a gentle abrasive putts a very small radius on the seating stem. Eliminating the ring on the bullet. Use caution! Tip needs to be smaller than bullet diameter. Choose a bob that looks like a cone. Just a kiss. Well that’s how I overcame the problem. Party on cheers from the US. Thanks for the video

@markandsamafterwork

2 жыл бұрын

Cheers Mick, thanks

@trickymick6229

2 жыл бұрын

@@markandsamafterwork absolutely. I love your channel. Keep up the good work! Blessings

I put valve lapping compound on the bullet and spin it in the seater to ''shape'' the seater. I don't ''wipe'' down the Hornady Atip lube with the supplied cloth and use it as a seating lube....Great info..Cheers

@markandsamafterwork

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the suggestion Frank, Cheers

There you go making me think again. HAHAHA. As always thank you for the insight. Stay safe. Take care. Have fun. 😎

@markandsamafterwork

2 жыл бұрын

Lol, cheers

Great Video!

@markandsamafterwork

2 жыл бұрын

Cheers Amir

Knowledge is power 👍

@markandsamafterwork

2 жыл бұрын

Cheers

Hey Mark, what I do is clean out the mouth of the casings before I run them through my sizer die. It helps out a lot along those lines.

@markandsamafterwork

2 жыл бұрын

Some leave the slight carbon there as to act a a lube too, lots of ways to skin that cat, Cheers

I machine generic seating dies that have an oversize cavity. Then fill the cavity with hot-melt glue used for holding nocks and tips in arrow shafts. Then I bring the seating die down onto the bullet I'm using (with mod release on it). The glue perfectly molds to the shape of the bullet. I shave off any excess glue. I do this on my resizer also (makes a bigger difference on lead). Anyway, love the channel and thanks for the tips.

@markandsamafterwork

2 жыл бұрын

Cheers Man, thanks

@dandingfelder6763

2 жыл бұрын

Great idea! Thanks for the tip!

Nice. Thanks.

@markandsamafterwork

2 жыл бұрын

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I got 99% of problem solved by attaching a heavy duty cotton swab to my power drill and adding FLITZ to the swab. I then spun it around for a minute or so in the die seating stem. I will repeat this again to see about getting the 1% out. I also ordered another brand seating stem to see if that makes a difference. If that doesn't work, I will make a cast of the bullet profile in the seating stem using JBWeld like stevewhite suggested below.

@markandsamafterwork

8 күн бұрын

Cheers

As usuall a super great video.

@markandsamafterwork

4 ай бұрын

Thanks Sandy

I used some 1000grit wet and dry sandpaper and with WD-40 glued the paper to a ELDM 168g projectile gleued that to a little rod and just lightly cleaned up the edge on my hornady DIE ;-) . That fixed it for me . Probably not best practice lol 😂 but worked for me . Great 😊 video mark

@markandsamafterwork

2 жыл бұрын

Cheers Chris

For sure lubricate the bullets, never found any issues and they seat very nicely of course if brass prep done right.

@markandsamafterwork

2 ай бұрын

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Anneal the brass! Then do the steps you subscribe. Great video. Great points.

@markandsamafterwork

8 ай бұрын

Cheers Man

Thanks Mark!

@markandsamafterwork

10 ай бұрын

Cheers Frank

@frankbodenschatz173

10 ай бұрын

@@markandsamafterwork Mark, I'm going to start reaming out the necessary slightly with the Sinclair tool.

What I've found to get around marking up the bullets was something I learned off the JRB channel... The Hornady custom bullets seating die with the different seating stems. You tend to be able to find a good fitting stem that even with really compressed loads you don't mark up the bullets at all or get just little scuffs but no deformation... Great video as always keepem coming brother!!!

@DanielBoone337

2 жыл бұрын

Well I should've watched a few more mins because you basically said the same thing.... LOL

@markandsamafterwork

2 жыл бұрын

Lol, Cheers Dan thanks

I got impressions from the seating die on the Hornady 225 EDLs. Managed to reprofile the bullet seat geometry with a carbide die grinding cutter. All good now. Pity Hornady do not include appropriate bullet seats in their kits to suit their projectiles.

@markandsamafterwork

2 жыл бұрын

Cheers

@D70340

2 жыл бұрын

Well not everybody is shooting ELD bullets. So why would Hornady just throw away more cost into their dies for something the majority does not use. At least Hornady gives you the option to buy the right seater plug for the ELD`s. And its NOT expensive.

On the odd occasion I have rubbed the base of the projectile in my hair, as it picks up the tiniest amount of body oil and helps the initial part of the seating process

@markandsamafterwork

2 жыл бұрын

Cheers Bryan, thanks

Just a thought from an old shooter. In addition to the great info from this video, I was having the same problem and solved it by lubing my bullet of choice, adding hot glue to the seating cone and place the bullet in the hot glue, waiting for it to cool. The lubed bullet came out of seating easily. Custom fit after a bit of clean up.

@markandsamafterwork

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Bill, Cheers

Sand the inside of your seating stem, this will reduce this marking, which is common on ELD projectiles.

@markandsamafterwork

2 жыл бұрын

As mentioned, yes, Cheers

You are right again , if a guy has marks on his bullets , he definitely needs to change something,,seating stem , or case neck chamfer angle , or dies if he needs to but definitely something

@markandsamafterwork

2 жыл бұрын

Cheers Bobby, thanks

Thx Mark. Wouldn’t a little dip into dry lube be the perfect solution. I have an excellent dry lube application pot I use just for neck resizing on the once fired Lapua cases that haven’t shown enough growth to FL resize. I think it’s made by Sinclair.

@markandsamafterwork

6 ай бұрын

Lube can help, but all relevant, Cheers

Mandrels are better than expander balls because they float allowing for better concentricity. Expander balls can work the shoulder with pushing and pulling. You can get a mandrel for about $25 for the exact diameter you want the ID of the case to have. The biggest problem reloaded face is consistent neck tension. Mandrels are the way to go, especially if coupled with a bushing resizing die.

@markandsamafterwork

11 ай бұрын

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Use powder granite on the base of the bullet. Granite is used to coat the powder, to help with the powder flow through the scale, trickler.

@markandsamafterwork

Жыл бұрын

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The problem I have with these witness marks is inconsistent seating depth. I get a .005” dent in the bullet, that’s a bullet sitting .005” further out of the case than the rest of them. For semi auto I don’t want to lube the neck or bullet for it to slip in the case easier, because it can cause it to be easier moved by the violent action. I remove the stem and put it in a vice and use the bullet I will be loading with some lapping compound to match the stem to the bullet.

@markandsamafterwork

11 ай бұрын

Thanks Man, Cheers

Have you tried graphite powder in the necks? I dip necks in powder then use a separate expander as you said. It's very cheap to buy from engineering supply. Gives very low SD.

@markandsamafterwork

2 жыл бұрын

Yes that will work also, other bullet coatings can also help, this is just a little help for those they need it, Cheers

One of the fclass guys I follow uses graphite dry neck lube prior to seating and I don’t think it interferes with powder. Have you given just that a try and found it to be lacking compared to the standard lube? Love the videos and all the information you bestow on us! Thank you!

@markandsamafterwork

2 жыл бұрын

Cheers Man, thanks

I hope you continue testing the 22-250 shooting the 88 and 90 grain pills with that faster twist rate. Im in the process of do8ng the same.

@markandsamafterwork

2 жыл бұрын

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Start with polishing the bullet seating cup with a fine compound.

@markandsamafterwork

9 ай бұрын

Cheers

Tried Redding Dry lube? With porcelain media? Dip neck in, wipe outside clean.

@markandsamafterwork

2 жыл бұрын

Good suggestion, Cheers

@misterlewgee8874

2 жыл бұрын

I use it for seating, others use it when sizing neck, in conjunction with lube for case body. Note, at first I bought Imperial Dry Neck Lube. This doesn't have media. Then bought Imperial application media with dry neck lube. I Lee collet neck size, ..it is a dry process. (17rem,222, a little bit of 270win). Usually don't need to bump the shoulder in my case. Thanks for the videos..

nice timing i am working through this problem at the moment makes a mess of vmax projectiles with how thin there jackets are, think its the seater is binding seeing as i hbn coat projectiles they should not be sticking the dies have had near on 67000 round through them by now

@markandsamafterwork

2 жыл бұрын

Cheers Pete, thanks

Bit of cutting compound inside stem and use a bullet to polish to a better fit.

@markandsamafterwork

2 жыл бұрын

Cheers

Hi Mark I have just done some random rounds for 300 PRC with weights from 178 ,210, 220g for new gun break in and initial sight in, i got lapua brass coz thats pretty much all i could get , i loaded 20 rounds of 5 different bullets and insert pressure was consistent to me ,question is , lapua being supposedly the ducks nut in brass- would that be a decent guide to feel / pressure required to insert the bullet into a factory sized cartridge to compare against handloads after renecking / sizing. hope that makes sense . Relatively new to reloading and have never paid that much attention to this bit, now after watching this i know of more things to look out for Cheers Rob

@markandsamafterwork

2 жыл бұрын

Hi Rob, couldn't say, one batch of brass is not the same as another, but I have never loaded any brass without sizing first, so, as said couldn't say, lol, Cheers

@robcullen9984

2 жыл бұрын

@@markandsamafterwork Oh Oh, told you i was a newbie, does that mean i should be resizing new brass lol ?

@markandsamafterwork

2 жыл бұрын

Maybe get your self a reloading manual and get a little reading on the subject, lol, Cheers

Thanks again Mark. I use the Lee Ultimate Die set which includes the Factory Crimp die. Could a smoother bullet seating be achieved by using a slightly bigger ball mandrel and then use the factory crimp die to get the correct and consistent neck tension?

@markandsamafterwork

2 жыл бұрын

Hi Dave, only a basic bit of help, but not gong any deeper, sorry, Cheers

@mattfleming86

2 жыл бұрын

Due to the numerous factors that can determine "how much" crimp any die supplies (bullet diameter differences, neck thickness, trim length, etc) It is generally advised to avoid crimping in precision rounds. Save that for tube fed guns and magnum revolvers. If your neck sizing is appropriate, you don't even need crimp on semi-auto rifles.

@davidhandyman7571

2 жыл бұрын

@@markandsamafterwork Thanks Mark. Much appreciated. I have not had the problem and was just wondering if it might be helpful to others.

@davidhandyman7571

2 жыл бұрын

@@mattfleming86 Thanks for the advice Matt. I haven't had any issues that Mark was talking about. It was an enquiry based on curiosity.

How many hours do you have available “after work”? :)

@markandsamafterwork

2 жыл бұрын

None, lol, cheers

Would annealing help ease the tension so you don't get marks?

@markandsamafterwork

Жыл бұрын

Sometimes, but not often

Mark, I get such marks from putting bullet into hornady comparator and turning it around. But it does not bother me.

@markandsamafterwork

2 жыл бұрын

Cheers

Happens to when I load 143gr eldx. Dosnt do it on any other projectiles I have loaded.

@markandsamafterwork

2 жыл бұрын

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Hi Mark, huge fan from Norway here. can you give me a suggestion about the "best" 6,5mm caliber for shooting out to 1.000-1500 meters, when i say "best" i put it in these categories, fairly cheap to load, easy to load, and performance. i have been looking on these calibers: 6,5PRC, 6,5x47 Lapua, 6,5-284Norma and 260 remington, today i have a 22-250rem and a 30.06AI, i wan't a dedicated long range rifle in between the 22-250 and 30.06AI, but it want it to have a little "punch" i hope you have time to give me your opinion, love your channel and learning a whole lot from you Cheers.

@markandsamafterwork

2 жыл бұрын

Hi Fred, we have videos with lots of info and try to help make sense of things for folks, but sorry, I don't make suggestions or recommendations like that, Cheers

@fredrikottesen1480

2 жыл бұрын

@@markandsamafterwork Okay, i understand that. Can you say anything about how you think the PRC is gonna stay in the game for a while or do you think it is more like a flop, since we already got cartridges that does similar performance on the marked? :)

@redrock425

Жыл бұрын

@@fredrikottesen1480 What did you buy? Looks like 6.5 PRC is here to stay, popular now in the US. I'm looking at a 7mm for long range.

One would think that if that little ring would be beneficial in any way, that the bullet manufacturers would do it in their manufacturing process....

@markandsamafterwork

2 жыл бұрын

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Does that mark on the bullet negatively affect accuracy? If so, by how much?

@markandsamafterwork

2 жыл бұрын

All in the video, Cheers

@juliusjames5577

2 жыл бұрын

Tooche’

can or does annealing come into play?

@markandsamafterwork

Жыл бұрын

A little, some times, Cheers

I did know a guy who spun fully loaded and burnished with steel wool ...... I passed on that activity

@markandsamafterwork

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Jay, Cheers

I don’t get round marks a round the bullet instead I get 6 straight lines abot 5 mm long down the projectile

@markandsamafterwork

Жыл бұрын

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Sierra bullets have a thin copper jacket and the leave dent rings. Sucks

@markandsamafterwork

2 жыл бұрын

Cheers

Anyone try a plastic cap or piece of leather?

@markandsamafterwork

28 күн бұрын

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