In part 5 of the series on the SDS Imports AKSA S4, Drake provides his final review and thoughts on the AKSA S4, as well as a look at the state of the internal components at 800+ rounds. You may find all prior parts of the series here: Part 1 - kzread.info/dash/bejne/kWWHz9ugntfJacY.html Part 2 - kzread.info/dash/bejne/n3dhw9dtZZjRZbg.html Part 3 - kzread.info/dash/bejne/iIKt07ehaanPk9Y.html Part 4A - kzread.info/dash/bejne/mpiij8Fxl6-peJM.html Part 4B - kzread.info/dash/bejne/anagrc2vp9vaZKg.html Thanks for watching! Detailed viewer questions and private conversations, as well as industry contacts regarding product evaluations and reviews may be made at AmericanArmsChannel@gmail.com You can also find American Arms Channel on these Social Media Platforms: Rumble - rumble.com/user/AmericanArmsChannel Bitchute - www.bitchute.com/channel/americanarmschannel/ UGEtube - videos.utahgunexchange.com/@AmericanArmsChannel

In Turkey, we can get these between 250 to 300 USD with easy access to parts and service. A Benelli M4 costs around 2200 USD. So for us this makes a lot of sense. I agree it is not an actual M4 but they are improving their quality. Great detailed review!

@AmericanArmsChannel

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing that information. All of that makes sense. I'm sure with some more effort and refinement, your manufacturers will probably be able to reach close to the same level of quality and durability as the real M4/M1014 for well under $1000 USD. Thanks for watching. - Drake

Great review! After shooting my AKSA S4 for the first time, one of the pistons bent so far that I couldn’t put the gun back together. I emailed SDS a picture of the bent pistons and they sent me a new piston within 3 days.

Firstly hi from Turkey. i ahve own an Aksa S4 and it made me happy to watch this much detailedsome kind of comparision video. Doesnt matter if u agree or not to the points made in the video by Drake , 5 parts of a review for a single Rifle ( doenst matter what it is) deserves some respect. gj dude.

@AmericanArmsChannel

Жыл бұрын

Thanks!

I'm glad to see the final chapter on the S4. I agree with your assessment. These are fun project guns that give you the look and feel of a M4 and 25% the retail price. You don't get Benelli long term reliability but I'm never gonna put 10K shells through it. For the $440 I paid for it I'm happy.

Thank you so much. Been waiting for your final review. I’ve been impressed with mind. Everything you stated is spot on.

@AmericanArmsChannel

2 жыл бұрын

I'm glad you enjoyed the series. Thanks for the viewership.

Sweet video bro! I just got done filing and polishing my trigger group and I'm much happier with it having more surface area for the hammer to rest on. Before I felt like it could slip off and discharge. Thank you for your content and contribution to the gun community.

@AmericanArmsChannel

2 жыл бұрын

I'm glad you enjoyed the series. More to come. Thanks for watching. - Drake

Excellent and informative video...Thank You!

Nicely detailed with well reasoned explanations.

Drake, I have to commend you for your honesty & straightforward reviewing process. The tubers who tell it like it is are few & far between, with most touting the cheap Turkish shotguns simply because they're cheap. Congrats on an excellent review series.

@AmericanArmsChannel

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the commendations and for your viewership. I’m glad you’ve enjoyed this series. - Drake

İ am from turkiye want to buy this gun and i dont see any video like you do i watch all parts thank you nice job man

You weren't kidding about filing the mount screws. That sucked but was worth it.

Great Video! (I did subscribe!) I have the Four Peaks Copolla T4 (M4 copy), and generally overall happy with it. The only problem I've had was a soft bolt carrier early on deforming from the piston rod impacts. Contacted them with pics and was quickly given a new properly hardened carrier. I dumped alot of rounds through it ASAP when I got the gun to take advantage of the warranty if the gun started crapping out. If you get one of these cheap Turk guns don't just shoot a box of shells through it and put it in the closet thinking it's "Good to Go" for when the SHTF. Run a ton of shells through it while it's under warranty to find any issues!!! Yep, Locktite is your friend. Go through and pull ALL threaded fasteners and replace with properly hardened ones and Locktite the hell outt'a them. I've had the gun less than than 9 months & I'm up to about 1K rounds and will probably take 10 more yrs to shoot another 1K rounds. (I'm not an "Operator" nor do I pretend to be) It shoots crappy bird/target loads & deer slugs with no hickups since hitting the 300 rnd mark. Trust it?? I'd grab my "Turkish Delight" to investigate anything that goes bump in the night.

@AmericanArmsChannel

2 жыл бұрын

I'm glad you enjoyed the video. Good on Four Peaks for taking care of their customer when the product had a problem. Unfortunately, it seems that the vast majority of these importers will not be so proper in response to a bum product. Thanks for watching. - Drake

@clh7312

Жыл бұрын

Unfortunately Fourpeaks no longer deals with Toros and Toros isn't sending parts so good luck getting replacements. Mine is still covered by the 2 years free parts but they told me they have been waiting over a year for some replacements. Maybe down the road I can buy a used one for parts. Fourpeaks even Imports the AKSA and I asked if I could get those parts instead, they said they are way different. Doesn't look like it to me. My barrel chromebis flaking off, I have an out of spec piston/operating rod that sticks and is out of spec, deforming hammer and peening tail.

I have the Sulun and even after it being a good deal, I blinked and I'm like $1100 into it. Now that includes the briley carbon fiber mag tube, MI handguard, adjustable stock, trigger parts, TTI lifter, 2 piece shell stop & spare parts (benelli & panzer).

@2a0wen

Жыл бұрын

Did the TTI lifter go in without need for modification/smithing?

Im running a Coppala S4. I found parts available from Orthos Arms Raider S4. Ive purchased a bolt and trigger guard fully assembled from them. The bolt is of proper hardness and the trigger housing is aluminum with proper hardened steel parts. Of course I have the Benelli carrier leg, extractor, misc springs and a US made hammer installed. I had a sneeze over 700 mixed rounds through mine. Its now mostly just the original receiver with factory Benelli and AM parts. The biggest plus to a good turkish clone is the ability to slowly upgrade it over time. Become familiar with its capabilities and correct them with upgrades as you can afford them. I use your videos on your Aksa as a reference video if I need to compare wear patterns. good stuff man, you should revisit the old girl with some new videos...cerakote to refresh it?

It works good, no problems

If the Benelli is the Italian Stallion what is the Berretta 1301? By the way I like your philosophy that you used the clone as a learning lesson for your actual m4. I did the same thing with an ar I bought. I bought a budget one and put budget stuff on it and learned what I like and don't like before I go buy a DD or BCM.

@AmericanArmsChannel

2 жыл бұрын

The 1301 Tactical (latest generation) could also be called an "Italian Stallion", I suppose. It will take a bit more real world use to get it to the same reputation as the M4/M1014, but it is by many accounts, and measurable testing, a fantastic choice for anyone looking for a light-weight, short, moderate capacity, semi-auto fighting/defensive shotgun. Perhaps, "Mazza Leggera" would be a good nick-name for the 1301. Someone will come up with a good nickname. lol Thanks for watching and the comment. - Drake

Black Aces is now moving these exact same shotguns. PSA had them for a pretty unbelievable price, so I bit the bullet and ordered one.

@bsmith8297

Жыл бұрын

Black aces is an aksa

Forgot to ask you earlier where to get a Charging Handle like that one you have? Looked everywhere and they don't seem to be available... Thanks.

@AmericanArmsChannel

Жыл бұрын

It’s the GG&G large skeletonized bolt handle. I grabbed mine from Brownells. Like most things now, you have to hunt for them. I prefer the Briley pattern enhanced bolt handle, but the GG&G works well.

Is the Extension Tube for Dave Metal Works for an M4? I see the offer a few of them and want to get the correct one.

@AmericanArmsChannel

Жыл бұрын

They offer an M4 specific mag tube extension. Save yourself the trouble and just buy the full length magazine tube from Dave's Metal Works. It counts towards 922R, if you are concerned with it (mag extension alone does not), and it will not require fitting on the AKSA S4. For $115 it’s a good buy and I have been very happy with it on my M1014.

Thanks for this series bro. I've really learned a lot from this. I got the Coppola T4 and I'm gonna upgrade it with the Mesa Tactical stock and forend from FFT. The forend on mine seems really cheap and the fit isn't the best. Gonna get the DMW seven round tube also.

sweet tips and tricks, did you have to do anything special to get that battle rail on the s4?

@AmericanArmsChannel

2 жыл бұрын

Battle rail? Do you mean the heat shield? It was a fairly straight-forward install. It's the ATI universal fit shotgun heat-shield, so it fit the barrel profile pretty well. I simply bent the rear retention tabs in towards the gas piston valves and forced the hand guards over it. After a couple of installs the hand guards picked up a little memory and secured, but notching the hand guards for the retention tabs is also an option. if you have a light mount like the Impact Weapons Components mount you will have to cheat the heat-shield to the opposite side and bend it on the side of the light to accommodate the light and mount. I do recommend tightening the retaining bolts on the shield significantly to prevent movement when firing.

@TrungTheMaker

2 жыл бұрын

@@AmericanArmsChannel oh sorry i mean the battle steel rail to mount the t2 red dot to cowitness the iron sights

@AmericanArmsChannel

2 жыл бұрын

Oh, no worries! The Battle Steel T1/T2 mount and Rail was supplied with screws that were a touch long in my instance, so I had to file each down to flush with the interior of the receiver. If left too long the screws will inhibit the proper seating of the barrel extension. I used Blue Loctite once they were of proper length to prevent loosening. Regarding the optic, I will state that your choice in optic will determine whether or not you will have co-witness. The Holosun series of T1/T2 base compatible RDS's will not co-witness since the battery tray is on the bottom of the optic. The Vortex T2 clones will co-witness, but I killed mine with the 10ga G10 and this S4. My recommendation if using the BS T1/T2 rail and co-witness is desired is to go with an RDS that places the battery housing on the side or top of the optic and not the base. The largest failure of the mount is that the optic cannot be readily removed from the firearm if damaged or significant zero loss occurs, regardless of the optic's ability to co-witness. It is for this reason, and a few others, that I decided to keep the OEM rail and go with a small footprint optic that has a quick detach mount and a relatively low profile for a moderate "heads-up" shooting method on my Benelli M1014.

@TrungTheMaker

2 жыл бұрын

@@AmericanArmsChannel awesome i dont mind a bit of tinkering. i was able to fit a hogue 12lop to my s4 it looks pretty slick now.

Where do you get the Turkish operating rods/pistons from? How does your chamber look? I have chrome flaking off on a Copolla T4.

@AmericanArmsChannel

Жыл бұрын

The chamber was fine on my AKSA S4 when I owned it. It still is holding up for the new owner. I never replaced the pistons in the S4, but S&J Hardware USA had them at one point.

The way I look at it is that you could buy 4-5 of these to equal the same price as the Benelli... As long as it stays dependable it's really hard to pass up...

@jayjuggrnaut

Жыл бұрын

Stop thinking 4-5 guns are going to be equal. 4-5 beaters will not equal a Porsche. If you want reliability at a lower price point in tactical clothing, think Mossberg, Remington or Stoeger.

Does anybody have a link where I can buy this shotgun?

I've been considering buying an S4 in the near future. I don't think my Tac-12 is a bad shotgun but I've had multiple issues so far. The most recent problem was I added a FFT 7 round tube and I'm pretty sure it's seated all the way on but there's a slight gap where sometimes the shell gets caught on. So the shell gets stuck in the mag tube and if you barely wiggle the shell and then it's back to normal. Not sure what to do. The tube was an extremely tight fit, idk if I can get it off now. Should I take it to a gunsmith or maybe try something else?

@AmericanArmsChannel

2 жыл бұрын

I can't say that you won't be throwing good money after bad if you buy an S4 over fixing your Tac-12 or selling it and spending the money on a real M4. These Turkish clones/facsimiles of the M4/M1014 that are being imported are not very consistent in their quality and not prime examples of the best the manufacturers can do. I do not entirely believe that the firearms coming in from Sulun Arms and Aksa Arms are the same quality as what they offer overseas. My impression is that the importers are dictating a price per unit and the manufacturers are doing what they need to to meet that, even if that means an inferior product. Regarding the malfunctions you are having with the Tac-12 and FFT mag-tube, without being able to see pictures of the issue or examine the firearm in person, I can't give a definitive answer on what is causing that issue. It sounds like the FFT mag-tube has a stop-shoulder on it that is slightly short for the Tac-12's receiver. You could have also had an excess of thread locker residue remaining in the threads that was solid and stopped the tube from turning all the way in. One of two things should happen when you install a magazine tube on any shotgun - it should bottom out on the threads and leave no gap to jump between the inside of the receiver and the mag tube, or it should bottom out on the stop shoulder (which retains the forend retention plate in the case of the first generation Super-90 pattern guns like the M4/M1014). Ideally, both will occur with precision machined components. I would recommend re-heating the threads and removing the tube to clear the threads of any locker and debris, then test fit again. If you need any help, please feel free to email the channel with detailed pictures of the problem and I can continue to help from there. - Drake

@jkees6751

2 жыл бұрын

@@AmericanArmsChannel Thanks for taking the time to reply, I appreciate all the info. It helps. I just meant get an S4 in addition to the Tac-12. Yes, I'm making the case for owning two M4 clones haha. I'll hold off on taking the Tac-12 to a gunsmith for now and try to take the the tube off like you suggested. I didn't use any loctite though because it was such a tight fit I was actually afraid I'd never be able to get it off again. I'm almost completely certain there no residue but I figure either way I'll need to take the tube off again. The gap is so slight. When you load a shell you can feel the rim of the shell hitting that gap and it gets stuck only some of the time. Again, just a little bit of pressure with your thumb and then it snaps into place and the shell is seated properly. The gap is just about the width of the rim of a shotshell. Just barely enough for it to get stuck.

@AmericanArmsChannel

2 жыл бұрын

Sounds like there are a couple of things that could be causing the seating depth issue with the FFT mag tube, but I will guess it is probably a tolerance stacking issue primarily. minor fitting may be required to get it to function properly. Let us know how you fair on resolving the issue. Again, if you need help I am available via the channel's email. Thanks. - Drake

is there a parts list or link for extended shell tube and others that you have on it ?

@AmericanArmsChannel

2 жыл бұрын

The magazine tube extension I have on the S4 is the Kley-Zion (KZ) as offered by Botach: botach.com/kz-benelli-m4-magazine-extension/ I highly recommend utilizing the Dave's Metal Works full length replacement magazine tube, however: www.davesmetalworks.com/m4.html

How do the bolt carriers look when compared to eachother? Do you have a breakdown video?

@AmericanArmsChannel

2 жыл бұрын

If you mean the S4 compared to the real M4/M1014 then they are very similar, but there are some differences. Finish, cam groves, and some other external geometries are slightly different. I suspect that swapping the bolt groups and not also the barrels would potentially lead to reliability issues and or some non-standard parts wear or failures. I do not have a video comparing the two guns and I do not plan to make one. They are different shotguns and need to viewed as such, as I state in the final review and throughout the series. - Drake

@lilruben510

2 жыл бұрын

The reason I ask is because companies like agency arms, tartan tac etc make parts for the beneli and the s4 is made to be mirror image with swapping a whole lot of parts. I was just wondering how they looked in comparison in case I would try those parts in the gun

Here in New Zealand the m4 is nearly 5k nz i can buy 4 of these tricked out for the same price I'd rather have four than just one

Bought an M4 while waiting for my AKSA S4 to be returned for repair. After a little over a month, my S4 was returned with no mention of what was checked or repaired. The shell carrier side play and sticking issues remain. So-called warranty service was a complete waste of time.

@AmericanArmsChannel

2 жыл бұрын

@a10sim I’m sorry to hear that. Your experience does not surprise me though; these importers are not manufacturers and do not care about supporting the products they import. It’s an unfortunate reality, but it is the truth as far as I can tell, none the less. Congrats on your Benelli M4 though. You’ll very much enjoy it (I know I enjoy my M1014 quite a bit). If you’d like help fixing the issues yourself, feel free to email me with details of the malfunctions (email in video description) and I will help you out.

@a10sim

2 жыл бұрын

@@AmericanArmsChannel Very true. Had same experience with PSA and my AK-V. Returned from service with no explanation of what, if anything, was repaired.🙄

Over in turkey original benelli is not an option . It is priced ridiculously, with all the taxes and everything is more than 10 times the price of this. Turkey has some legit reliable guns makers like Winchester sarsimas stoeger but I really like the look and the feel of this gun I'm not sure which one to buy do you have any recommendations? Currently I am torn between armsan RS X2, Hulu atrox tactic plus,hatsan escort mp ts, stoeger p3000 or m3000 , sarsilmaz m212 or this gun

@AmericanArmsChannel

2 ай бұрын

I am not familiar with most of those models. In my experience, most Turkish brands available in the US are not very good and extremely lacking on quality and durability. I would stay with a Stoeger or Girsan product for best results.

@oguzhancan5477

23 күн бұрын

​@@AmericanArmsChannelHi sir. Your detailed review and that Aksa is the major supplier to Orthos S4 is what convinced me to buy this gun. Thank you for your effort. Firearms here in Turkey cost an arm and leg due to poor economy, licencing and extreme taxes on imported guns. As the commentator stated original M4 is not even an option since it is in vicinity of 4000 dollars! I'll pay more than half my salary for the Aksa and it looks promising.

What did you do to make the mag extension more reliable?

@AmericanArmsChannel

Жыл бұрын

I had to file/sand/polish the transition between the magazine tube and the extension so that the hull rims would not catch.

How would you compare this to the panzer M4 ?

@AmericanArmsChannel

2 жыл бұрын

Can’t say, as I’ve never had the Panzer Arms model in hand. I have seen hit or miss reports on the quality, and for the price, I see the AKSA as a better buy.

@mercow1242

Жыл бұрын

Panzer arms M4 has 1 nail on its bolt, benelli M4 has 4. I dont know how you call that part. It holds emty shell.

I have a recent batch dps 601, round count 700 buck/slug + 500 target loads. there is no deformation on the piston and bcg, nor gas leak. I think they improved the heat treating since. but this gun require ton of grinding and polishing, springs are way to strong to power through the grit of the parts, and few places to locktite, I somewhat enjoyed the learning experience.

@AmericanArmsChannel

3 ай бұрын

I'm glad to hear that your 601 DPS did not suffer from quality issues. These clones can be a fun project gun, but they all seem to require some form of tweaking before they will be ready for the long haul... high round counts truly will be the test of capability when compared to the real deal and other known value options.

@humorss

3 ай бұрын

@@AmericanArmsChannel somehow this made me appreciate the design, the gas system is a breeze to clean with pistol brush, if this one broke beyond repair I will just get the original.

Where did u get the heat shield. I keep asking but it like a losing battle with other tubers.

@AmericanArmsChannel

2 жыл бұрын

The one I purchased is an ATI brand intended for general use (Mossberg 500 pattern). I got mine from Brownells. They are currently out of stock, but this is the model I put on my S4. www.brownells.com/shotgun-parts/barrel-parts/heat-shields/heat-shield-prod25261.aspx

@ronb191

Жыл бұрын

I am new to the tactical shotgun world. I have a panzer m4 that fits my budget and has been watching various videos on improving my weapon. Thanks to the advice, I have loctite the screws. I have also smoothed the rough surfaces on the bolt carrier, and the barrel itself had a burr that I smoothed out. Thanks for the recommendations on these clones. I have a choke coming, don't trust the factory ones supplied, and will buy a 7 rds magazine tube from Dave's metal next month, giving you the credit. The Semi-auto shotgun seems like the best defense weapon for the home. I worry about over penetration and stopping power with as few rounds as needed. If it goes to a jury to decide, shooting twice with a shotgun sounds better than a clip from some other weapon. Just saying... Thanks for the outstanding review, and I agree with your position about these knockoffs. I enjoy fine tuning my weapons for my personal use.

Pleass tell us where you got the heat sheild

@AmericanArmsChannel

Жыл бұрын

I purchased it from MidwayUSA. It is an ATI branded model made in the US for Mossberg 500 pattern shotguns and similar. It fits fairly well, but you do have to teak and fit it to the M4 pattern clones or the actual Benelli.

Just bought a black aces s4 for 350, like 380 shipped and taxed. Lets see how it compares!

@CaptDestro

Жыл бұрын

Same gun. Different importer

@clthat1972

Жыл бұрын

I also bought BAT S4. Because of IL's new law, I can't buy a shotgun with a "scary" pistol grip, or a shotgun with a rd capacity above 5. So, this rifle fits the criteria. Waiting for it to arrive. Does your s4 have a recoil tube that accommodates a collapsible stock? What's your initial thoughts on the s4? I'm curious if the BAT s4 is a rebrand of the AKSA or SDS S4.

@austinchasteeny

Жыл бұрын

@@clthat1972 pretty sure its aksa lol as it came with an aksa manual 🤣 Im taking it to the range soon to shoot supressed ill let you know soon

@austinchasteeny

Жыл бұрын

@@clthat1972 initial impressions - it's a decent gun for the price. The only issue I've had so far (300 rds in, all 2 3/4 slugs, 100 subsonic rest supersonic) without the suppressor it has issues cycling the lower power subsonic slugs but it eats the regular all day. With suppressor it cycles even the lower power ammo flawlessly. Only 1 malfunction, could be ammo related. Just didn't feed, part of the shell was split and got caught on internals. Just pulled slightly on bolt and then it seated fine. The major issue I did have was the stock / pistol grip came loose after maybe 100 rds. Will have to look into that. Overall VERY fun and great scattergat for the price

@clthat1972

Жыл бұрын

@@austinchasteeny Thank you for the info! I just received mine. First impressions, It looks and feels good. Front sight is slightly canted, but I'm using a Battle Steel Red Dot mount, so it's not that big a deal. Action is smooth. Took it apart and cleaned it up. I hope to take it out in a week or so; got some 00 and 7.5 shot to try out. Unfortunately, IL doesn't allow suppressors, I wish they did. I may get another one if this one works well. I plan to inapect the bolt and pistons after shooting it, to look for peening.

What about the panzer arms m4?? Is it any better??

@AmericanArmsChannel

Жыл бұрын

I cannot comment with absolute knowledge, as I have not tested and evaluated one, but I would still not expect any greater performance, durability, or longevity out of what is in essence an identical gun of unknown parts sourcing and build quality. My opinion and recommendation would remain the same as this review of the S4; if you want a project gun and fun recreation tool, the turkish facsimile is fine. If you want the M4/M1014, buy the M4/M1014.

@bsmith8297

Жыл бұрын

I believe it is made in the same plant just badged for others

mine was a piece of crap. I bought it and put 400 rounds through it in one day and just kept having failures to eject with all types of different loads. I sold it the next day and bought a Mossberg 590A1. This is the third Turkish shotgun that I've had that has been a complete turd.

@mercow1242

Жыл бұрын

Braking period!!! Use 1300+ fps slugs or buck shots.

@briandavenport8971

Жыл бұрын

@@mercow1242 yeah, it was all 3 inch slugs and buckshot.

@AmericanArmsChannel

Жыл бұрын

I'm sorry to hear that. These are definitely not a consistent product and have plenty of QA/QC issues abounding. Perhaps someone will work to make a clone that is cost effective and good someday, but it won't retail for under $750, I can assure you of that. Thanks for watching. - Drake

@jayjuggrnaut

Жыл бұрын

If you were going Turkish and looking for reliability, should have got a Stoeger M3000 Freedom Defense.

You keep saying a Benelli may or may not drop in.. you've got a Benelli right there why don't you try it and let us know

@AmericanArmsChannel

2 жыл бұрын

You've missed the points that I make in the video: 1) You are not guaranteed that Benelli OEM parts will drop in 2) The quality of the build may require Benelli OEM parts be fitted or may not work 3) To replace major components with Benelli OEM parts is a chasing a "white rabbit" and will not save you money. 4) To singularly replace the Bolt, Bolt Carrier, or Barrel will potentially result in non-function, reliability issues, or parts damage due to head spacing, cam grove profile/bolt lock timing, and any number of other issues. In short, this means that if you replace one, you will most likely need to replace all to insure you have functional, reliable firearm that will not have accelerated wear from standard use. Bottom line, some assemblies and many parts will swap. This is fine if you are going to need to replace a broken part or install an aftermarket accessory/part, BUT, because the firearm is not to the specifications of the original it copies it is not in any way shape or form the equal of its origin for 25% of the price. You can do all this if you want and like to have the project and its challenges, but it in no way can be evaluated to be a viable alternative to the original model for less cost and equal performance. I hope that clears up what I am saying in this review and why I did not go through the monotonous and irrelevant (in my mind) task of showing what can be swapped or not. - Drake

I’ve beat the absolute piss out of mine. It just keeps ducking going. I don’t understand how this novelty can be so dependable.

@AmericanArmsChannel

2 жыл бұрын

It’s a testament to the design by Benelli and what is accomplishable if you just build the firearm half way decent.

By the time you go to the expense and effort moding one of these wouldn't you be in the teratory of a mosburg 930 or 940

@AmericanArmsChannel

Жыл бұрын

Yes, that is very true and a very valid option to consider. I still view these shotguns as I did at the time of this final review; project guns that can be fun, but for serious use and reliance spend your money elsewhere on proven and pedigreed options. Thanks for watching and the comment. - Drake

@bearfootbowhunter3054

Жыл бұрын

@@AmericanArmsChannel thanks mate. I love the m4 and may pick one of these up to play with down the track but i think you sealed the deal for my thanks

You can go through 5 of those to get to the price of 1 Benelli , if money is no object, get the Benelli ,

Irony, stoeger could probably make the best one of these but won't because owned by Beretta.

@coltonowens2742

Жыл бұрын

I'd take the Stoeger m3000 freedom, over this thing any day. With Stoeger they are made in a better factory, with much better QC.

@bfish9700

Жыл бұрын

@@coltonowens2742 the m3000 is an m2 alternative. I personally prefer gas operated guns to inertia. I also have a remington v3 for a regular length shotgun.

@Riggrip504

Жыл бұрын

@@coltonowens2742I have the m3000 28” and the s4 and both are great. Both like light loads and I shoot clays with both regularly.

I've been doing my homework on these, an I have to say, I wish "ASKA" had done their homework, an turned out a product that was 100 % reliable for SD. Instead of feeding into the fearporn that is all over this country for profit. I think they realized they could make alot of money off of the americans, by making a product that looks good an tactical, but has Qa/QC problems like alot of the turkish made gas operated guns. They make some decent pump guns, but their gas guns are still a no go in my book, as their all made, from what I've read, in the same factory's, just rebranded as to which manufacter get their name stamped on it. No amount of tinkering should be required for a true semi-auto SD gun, pull it out of the box, clean it, an shoot it to break it in. My .02. Think I'll stick to my rems an mossy's for now, an maybe one day they'll get it together. Thx for the vid

@AmericanArmsChannel

2 жыл бұрын

Aksa Arms is the actual manufacturer of the "S4" model which is imported by SDS Imports and Four Peaks Imports, so to state that it is not is inaccurate/false. It is true that a good number of turkish guns are the same thing with a different name and slight feature change on them, but the AKSA S4 is not one of them (with the exception that in Turkey and Europe the gun is sometimes marketed as the "Aksa Arms CROSSFIRE WI", but it is in fact the same gun). One thing that has to be considered, is that these guns are being sold to the importing US companies for a specific price per unit at 'X' number of units, and the quality and finish are going to reflect that. If you ask for 1,000 units at a price of $225 a unit, you are going to get the quality that matches, regardless of the design. If importers selected quality and well historied manufacturers such as Girsan, AKSA, SULUN, and HUGLU and paid them much more for a better product, you would have that better product. The street price may not be below $900 to $1,200 on a Benelli "clone", but you'd have the QA/QC to give the gun VERY high value compared to models of different origins in the same price range. By a tangential way of example, you'll now see that the price and finish is now a higher grade (cerakote) on the Four Peaks imported variants than the SDS. It is not so much that the Turks can't make a good gun, it's that you have to pay them to just like any other trade in the world. Should a company like AKSA Arms establish its own importation (much like a Benelli USA or Beretta USA by way of example) you would see said higher price and higher quality product in all likeliness. To the point of a self defense or fighting shotgun being marketed as such and not being to said standards, I will state that neither SDS Imports, Four Peaks Imports, nor Aksa Arms themselves has advertised, to the best of my knowledge, the S4 model as being such. They have stated it is M4/M1014 parts and accessories compatible, but not that it is a defense shotgun per-say. It is a copy of such, but it is not such. This is much better than the abysmal dumpster-fire that is the Charles Daly (Chiappa) 601 DPS model made by Merrak which is in fact labeled as a "defense" shotgun. Bottom line, if you want a Benelli M4/M1014 you have to buy one, there is no substitute. Thanks for watching and the comment. - Drake

@williammccaslin8527

2 жыл бұрын

@@AmericanArmsChannel thx for the update, never researched how many turk gun factorys there were, just know that some are lumped in with other brands. I would be willing to pay a higher price for a better weapon, but sorry to say, not benelli prices, thx

@christurner8255

Жыл бұрын

@@AmericanArmsChannel I always liked the M4. The look, the legendary reputation as a military combat shotgun. I took a flyer on the Toros Coppola T4 and it's been good. It's a decent gun but man it has made me crave a Benelli M4. I can't stop thinking about it. I didn't expect to fall so in love with this wonderful weapon. I've even been thinking about selling my beloved M1A and another gun to get one sooner. I can't do that but I have thought about it. The price was once a barrier for me. That is not the case any more. Benelli is gonna get two weeks of pay from me in the near future and I'm excited about it.

@christurner8255

Жыл бұрын

Did you keep it?

@AmericanArmsChannel

Жыл бұрын

No. I have passed it on to a family member that wanted it. I purchased an M1014, so it was not needed any longer.

Project gun, range toy, something to tinker with. Don't expect Benelli...or even Beretta or Mossberg SA quality for under $500. Simple.

I much prefer the Beretta 1301 Tactical. It is lighter and about $1000 cheaper.

Turks always like to cut corners when it comes to quality of product. There's really not many quality firearms that are made there. It's like the China market for Europe.

@ismailipek1904

4 ай бұрын

Bende bir Türkiyeli olarak bu söylediklerinize katılıyorum.

@ormancadam6453

2 ай бұрын

Ama Türkiye'de silahlarda sorun olsa da garanti kapsamında her zaman ilgileniyorlar diye duydum ne kadar doğru bilmiyorum ama öyleymiş

So annoying when someone asks themselves rhetorical questions then answers them.

@AmericanArmsChannel

2 жыл бұрын

I have a marvel concept to assist in your predicament: stop watching the video and wasting time bitching in the comments.

Damn you speak slow