When I listen to QR, I hear Chris solos & backing vocals, Geoff’s vocals, and Scott’s amazing drumming. To me, QR died a long long time ago.

@metallion0738

9 ай бұрын

So Eddie and Michael never existed in Queensryche??

@gerrykay1482

9 ай бұрын

blah blah blah

@WristwatchAddiction

9 ай бұрын

@@metallion0738 literally never said they didn’t. Just said without Chris,Scott,& Geoff, it’s not the same for me. And Chris left a long time before Geoff, so QR hasn’t been QR for me in forever. 🤷‍♂️

@WristwatchAddiction

9 ай бұрын

@@gerrykay1482 great comeback.

@usdave2115

7 ай бұрын

if they died a long time ago, why are you commenting on this post?

Scott is a master drummer. Thank you for so many wonderful years of music and entertainment.

@kovalfetterer2218

Жыл бұрын

He was. His drumming has gotten weaker in the later years when he was in Queensryche

@HesTNTonPMS

8 ай бұрын

without question , so many notes in his style and powerful

@eriklarson9137

4 ай бұрын

He was amazing. He is also really out there. The stuff he posts and deletes on his Facebook page really show more about him than you wish you could see. We will always have the memories though.

@markusaurelius777

19 күн бұрын

@@eriklarson9137 He chose to walk away - Now he can deal with it LOL

This is a dame shame When Chris left all hell broke loss he was the leader

For me, Queensryche ended after Promised Land. Reunion tour will never happen. To much bitterness and anger amongst the tribe and it's only getting worse. It breaks my heart to see one of my favorite bands go out this way. 😢

@love68

Жыл бұрын

💯% Agree with your entire statement. 😔

@kingtrance307

Жыл бұрын

It seems most classic rock bands go out this way. Especially when they stick around this long. It is unfortunate.

@kingtrance307

Жыл бұрын

@@willr1796 - That’s a pretty good assessment. I remember in my youth reading an interview with Chris DeGarmo in Cream magazine and thinking just how deep this guy is. Not your typical musician interview blathering on about the usual rock star party lifestyle. He was actually talking about things that mattered. That interview just like his songwriting always left an impression on me. Which is saying something especially with my memory fading over time… 😂

@eriklarson9137

Жыл бұрын

I mostly agree. Todd re-lit a fire under them, but it fully died out, and now it's time to either get everyone back, or at least everyone but Geoff, or hang this up.

@trubblebubble1

Жыл бұрын

Couldn't agree more. Still, it was beautiful while it lasted.

When Geoff and DeGarmo left, QR the band ended. Not saying the current members don't make good music with the replacement members. They're just can't capture the magic that QR created. the legions of fans that followed QR and bought millions of records will attest to this.

@WilliardScorpion

2 ай бұрын

Massive truth!!!

@waltjohnszczepaniak9664

23 күн бұрын

? Degarmo came back and the band fired Geoff Tate and his wife. Degarmo is the leader of the band

@markusaurelius777

19 күн бұрын

@@waltjohnszczepaniak9664 He did not come back LOL

Who the hell would want to see Queensryche with only 2 of the original 5 members? Hard pass.

@kurtwl

Жыл бұрын

Exactly and the two existing members didn’t even write a lot of the songs.

@JoeS795

Жыл бұрын

I mean, I don’t care who disagrees with me but with very few exceptions, the singer makes the band. Go see Geoff Tate’s solo show. Sounds like Queensryche.

@DolkkarToyznstuff

Жыл бұрын

I'd go see them, they still rock. S.R. is one of my fave drummers of all time, but I really enjoy the music that Wilton and Jackson are still making and that's enough for me.

@drewolm

Жыл бұрын

They’re really good right now. Sound better than they did at the end of the original line up.

@peevee605

Жыл бұрын

I’d see them. Tate is an asshole spitting on his band members managing the band down to the pits of hell so I don’t want him to be there on vocals.

I love his chops, you know its Scott drumming when you hear him.

Another casualty in the rock world. Sad that this is happening to what was (with original members) a groundbreaking incredibly talented band.

The guys should pull themselves together for their fans one more time, go on a farewell tour with the original line-up, wish each other all the best for the rest of their lives afterwards and part peacefully.

@tt55899

Жыл бұрын

Zero chance that happens

@JustinHmusic

Жыл бұрын

Get out of the 80s dude. Their current lineup is kicking ass, and the past four albums are proof of that. They’re doing just fine

@marclehmann1940

Жыл бұрын

@@JustinHmusic Yes. The current line-up is very good. 👍 But I discovered QR in 1994 with Promised Land. 👻

@JustinHmusic

Жыл бұрын

@@marclehmann1940​⁠​⁠My point is, way too many QR fans are holding out for a reunion of the original lineup as if the last time this particular lineup was on a full album together wasn’t Hear In The Now Frontier, and we all know what came after from 1999 to 2011. Too many people have their nostalgia glasses on

@markusaurelius777

Жыл бұрын

@@marclehmann1940 Promised Land wasn't even an EPIC album.....Reach back further for the EPIC albums.

One of the best drummers ever....

@coreywinchester7381

Жыл бұрын

Best? Really good, yes!!!! No Peart, Minnemann or Portnoy

@HeavyInstinct

Жыл бұрын

​@@coreywinchester7381 He said one of the best. Although maybe you weren't actually disagreeing? I'm not sure it's hard to tell exactly what you actually meant by your post.

@DannyGadish

Жыл бұрын

@@coreywinchester7381 Portnoy is a tasteless drummer. Listen to the Rage album alone, that is the definition of creative, technical drumming, with GROOVE and a huge sound

@coreywinchester7381

Жыл бұрын

Love the first 3 Queensrych albums....but really of the best.....Let me guess Moon, Bonham, Peart, Rich, are like Portnoy tasteless... We use this word best or greatest for a lot of musicians. Let's just make everyone the best....

@DannyGadish

Жыл бұрын

@@coreywinchester7381 Bonzo is probably my favorite drummer along with Ian Paice. Buddy is a drumming genius, Moon is great, a little bit bombastic but great. Peart is a bit stiff, I’ve never heard him swing. And Portnoy is even stiffer than Peart. Regardless, I think you’re just naming random drummers off some greatest rock drummer list you looked up because these are like the biggest names in drumming ever. Just because Scott’s name isn’t in any drum magazines doesn’t mean shit. He is top tier imo, and if you can’t see that you’re ignorant

This happens more than you think. And what I’m referring to is how you can be the guy who starts the band. You can be the guy who has the vision, and then a little success comes along, and the other members find a way to take it away from you sometimes it just doesn’t work out the way you want it too. Good luck to Scott and I hope he gets exactly what he needs.

@chrisbednar577

Жыл бұрын

Case in point Dennis DeYoung who founded Styx then JO's shaw and james young kicked him out because they didn't like his music!

@scottgoodson5132

Ай бұрын

@@chrisbednar577 Dennis Deyoung and that “Mr Roboto” horse shit is why he got the boot. Just like Geoff Tate thought HE was Queensryche, Deyoung thought HE was Styx. When a member alienates himself, thinks only his opinion matters, or tries to forcefully take the band in a completely different direction musically, it’s not surprising that the other members look for ways to give that member the boot.

No one loves queensyche more than me , but promised land was there last great album. 😢😢

Love Rockenfield, but hard to side with him on this. He essentially abandoned the group indefinitely. I understand the initial reason for taking a hiatus, but the band as a whole deserved clear communication from him in regards to length of absence and plans moving forward.

@bjrnkarehilmen8406

Жыл бұрын

you are spot on, this is Rockenfields own fault.

@kingtrance307

Жыл бұрын

Who really knows? None of us were there.

@bjrnkarehilmen8406

Жыл бұрын

@@kingtrance307 have you seen Rockenfield touring with Queensryche since 2017? Have he played with the band on the records after Condition Human? How long do you think he can take paternity leave, and still think that he should have a split of the money the other bandmates worked their ass off for, while he sits at home on his ass? This is Rockenfields own fault. There are no reason to feel sorry for him.

@kingtrance307

Жыл бұрын

@@bjrnkarehilmen8406 - I don’t feel sorry for any of them Bjorn! I’m not that emotionally invested in any of the drama.

@eriklarson9137

Жыл бұрын

@@bjrnkarehilmen8406 Let me try to help. Do you have a legit copy of the agreement they made when he took off? No? Then you don't know ANYTHING. Why do people suddenly feel like they are right about something when they have zero evidence? Some kind of mass brainwashing. Just because they feel like they are right, they are right. And you are an "-ist" if you disagree,

The band died when Degarmo left

@MichProgNerd

Ай бұрын

My favorite member.

Such a ridiculously under appreciated drummer

@timothymartin2137

Жыл бұрын

HE was NOT underappreciated at all, he was modern rocks number one drummer in his day, you just werent there

@tt55899

Жыл бұрын

@Timothy Martin yeah i been here for queensryches entire career and at no time has he ever been regarded at rocks top drummer

@timothymartin2137

Жыл бұрын

@@tt55899 Top 66 all time best rock Drummers Loudwire (Recent) ...3 GRAMMY's and he DID top the lists back in the 90's...they just dont keep records that far back. I was there also and you APPARENTLY were not a musician...I am and was and folowed the rags and polls and he WAS REGULARLY there with the likes of Portnoy and believe it or not Stewart Copeland. (anything else to te"tell" me genius!!)

@tt55899

Жыл бұрын

@Timothy Martin i don't give a crap about any of that nonsense, you could ask 100 people who the "best" is of any instrument and get 100 different answers, it's all opinions and yours or loudwires isn't any more valid than anyone else there musician boy

@timothymartin2137

Жыл бұрын

@@tt55899 YOU said he was unappreciated...I pointed out that WAS NOT the case....you want to argue now that I showed you AWARDS HE GOT(DID I miss something or are AWARDS not appreciation...industry and fan at that)>>>THE BIGGEST BEING A GRAMMY>...and you didn't even mention that. I am still struggling to find in WHAT way he is underappreciated. And I am your 56 year old SON.....DOUCHEBAG!!!!! IMPOTENT RAGE!!! LMAO

So sad that original members, the best members of this amazing band, are fighting with each other.

When DeGarmo left the band it’s was over then.

It's a real shame what happened to one of the greatest bands of all-time. Losing Chris, then Geoff, now Scott... just sad.... really sad. But we have the old music & the memories to carry on.

Scott and Geoff should get together and start a Queensryche tribute band!

@timothymartin2137

Жыл бұрын

DID YOU MISS WHAT GEOFF DID TO THE BAND>>>no one needs to work with him!!!!!

@FreeMTrider

Жыл бұрын

@@timothymartin2137 and what would that might be? In your opinion

@timothymartin2137

Жыл бұрын

@@FreeMTrider Yeah, turned them into a broadway showtune spitting machine that was so dependent on Geoff and His wife's mismanagement they couldnt stop it...THATS WHAT!! (he took them SO FAR FROM METAL PATHETIC)

@trollmunchkinzm4364

Жыл бұрын

I know a dude that’s like Geoff’s grand nephew or some shit and he’s a phenomenal guitarist playing in a band called highwired and they do some QR stuff pretty accurately so if u want to see a good tribute check them out. He’s the same age as me he’s 20. I totally think his band is on their way to bringing hair metal back atleast to young people

@timothymartin2137

Жыл бұрын

@@trollmunchkinzm4364 I saw the originals back in the day....so tribute bands are not my thing, but GOOD to hear that metal is still alive and kicking (even if NOT by the hand or voice of Geoff Tate, he is off doing show tunes on some indian casino stage!!!!)

Same situation that Mick Mars is in. 40+ years of dedication and he's expected to kick rocks.

You can tell he's playing Eyes Of A Stranger in the live performance.😎 Anyway, Rockenfield is a phenomenal drummer and a HUGE part of what made that band, no doubt about it.

@markusaurelius777

Жыл бұрын

Well....song writing is done on the guitars and by vocalists. They shaped the band.

@eriklarson9137

Жыл бұрын

@@markusaurelius777 Lol at you being wrong, yet correcting someone else. Ever heard of a drummer named Neil? Huge oof for you there.

@WristwatchAddiction

Жыл бұрын

@@eriklarson9137I was about to Mention Neil. Don’t forget Phil Collins. Sweeping generalizations about how something is done just shows how little one knows about said subject. Thanks for mentioning Peart. One of, if not the best. 👍

@markusaurelius777

Жыл бұрын

@@WristwatchAddiction I know a lot more than you think, child.

@WristwatchAddiction

Жыл бұрын

@@markusaurelius777 yea. I was agreeing with you over that other guy 👍

I saw the original lineup on Metallicas " And Justice For All tour. Queensryche was immaculate and so amazing that this Metallica crowd was calling for encores . I was there to see both bands and it was one of the best of 162 concerts I ever saw ! PK

@buckster2575

Жыл бұрын

They came with them on that tour to Roanoke VA near where I live.

@northidahodronephotography1498

25 күн бұрын

I saw them front row center and a big fan of both at the time. I wasn’t sure if Metallica fans would receive them very well, but they really did. Both bands at their peak.

THE WARNING!!!!! FANTASTIC DRUMMING ON THAT ALBUM!!!!

I just have to mention an album that people have not...Q2K! One of my favorite post DeGarmo albums! Am I the only one?

I wondered what happened to you. You are missed. You're an amazing drummer. I hope everything works out well for you. You deserve it. Every blessing to you ❤.

Without Geoff and Chris it’s not qr

He took approved Paternal leave in Feb 2017 and was still on leave over a year and a half later in Oct 2018 when they voted to dismiss him? What did he expect? That he could stay home indefinitely and get his share sitting on his ass while the other members toured and put in all the hard work? The dude is a killer drummer and is definitely due his share for sure, hopefully they can come to some sort of settlement

@timothymartin2137

Жыл бұрын

THAT is what paternal leave is. You do not "get rid" of someone that owns the business after 40 years even if you believe them, that Scott just ghosted them...because I DONT!!! What you do is seek dissolution of the company, what they did is illegally take over and withhold company funds and profits and cut him out of business decisions...THEY fucked up and they WILL lose, it is a matter of business,,,,they broke the law...NOT HIM...he did it right AND WILL WIN..there are no sides you idiots!!!! But way to give us a masterclass in "John Q. Public does nto understand the law AT ALL)

@allendean9807

Жыл бұрын

Yes. This is exactly what he expected. And why not? Are they not playing a set consisting of majority pre-Promised land songs? He can sit on his ass forever, if the current agreements had not been amended legally. Sounds like they weren’t, and Queensryche just decided to not pay him. Queensryche were two people; Tate and DeGarmo. When that ended, Tate tried hard to keep it together. When that failed, he left, too. So you get the three periphery guys now in charge of a machine that they were always bit players within, running the show. Of course you’re going to get weirdness. These guys are all accomplished musicians. That is never in question. But ask yourself; has there been a post DeGarmo hit? A post Tate resurgence? Nope. I hope Scott wins, and this band finally call it a fucking day. When you get Ratt with only Pearcy, Dokken with only two songs performed with Lynch, two different Great White’s, it becomes just sad. And it shows how these bands have fucked themselves by letting money get in the way of their music. They’re all millionaires. Money should never come between any of them. But it does. So retire…. Go solo… stop picking the carcass of the dead animal you used to be.

@scottgoodson5132

Ай бұрын

Yep, both sides have viable points of contention. It’s a shame it comes to this but handling it through the legal system is probably the only way to come to an equitable decision. As with Tate, Wilton and Jackson will most likely be forced to buy out Rockenfield.

There are two sides to every story (and lawsuit). It will be interesting see how this plays out. One thing is certain: It won't end well. Scott likely will not be welcomed back into the band.

@leemichaels406

Жыл бұрын

Sounds like this has happened before ... wasn't it Tate? Exactly the same things happening. Kinda make you wonder who is behind all this, Michael or Eddie or both.

@stephensanchez9590

Жыл бұрын

Go play with geoff tate and see if Mike Wilton wants to join that's the talent

@rogerdaly6326

Жыл бұрын

Thats 3 sides to every story - our side , their side & the truth. From everything i've read since Scott taking his leave , the band documented attempts at reaching Scott about starting to work wirh the band again. He hardly responded & when he did the responses were kinda non-sensical. Wish him the best but after the issues with Tate i think Wilton & Jackson learned a thing or two about careful & consistent documentation to cover their asses.

Saw Scott perform on the last tour QR did with Armored Saint. He was absolutely amazing.

three sides to every story: your side, my side, and the truth

@MykeLewisMusic

Жыл бұрын

Vorlon.

@markusaurelius777

Жыл бұрын

The PDF file by Michael Wilton is online for all to see.

One of the best rock drummers ever. He created a very unique style of drumming.

One third shares? What about Geoff Tate's share? Oooh, that's right. Now I remember. What goes around, comes around, Scott.

I think I'm the only one who liked the Tribe album. I lost interest after Geoff Tate left... I still have Mindcrime, Promised Land and Tribe on regular rotation

Another rainy night without. Chris and Geoff.

After Chris DeGarmo left things changed. Then when Wilton, Jackson, and Rockenfield fired Geoff Tate, QR was finished. IMO this is KARMA.

Saw many times, such a shame. One of the best groups. First two albums fucking kill!

The new lineup is solid.

QR has been over for almost 15 years.

For everyone who gets in tears and still awaits for a Queensrÿche reunion I have to say that this will never happen because 1) Geoff Tate, under his management was after DeGarmo's departure, missed the identity the band had releasing albums which were indifferent musically and also begun appearing in cabaret shows which had nothing to do with metal let alone Queensrÿche's history and alienated the fans. Don't forget that Tate was responsible for spitting Rockenfield in the face, quarreled with Jackson, Wilton and Rockenfield and hired musicians to record OM II because the other three disagreed with the album's name. 2) Chris DeGarmo has changed his way of life and also the music he has participated, after departing from Queensrÿche, is artistic which will not gain or bring back the popularity of records such as Rage for Order or OM. Also the declining of quality in music begun with the release of the soulless and uninspiring Hear Now in which DeGarmo was still a member of the band. Enjoy the new era of Queensrÿche and attend a live

When Tate left I left.. QR is no longer in my books..

Queensryche is not the same band without the original members.

I have great respect for Rockenfield as for all of the original members , it's such a shame that there is so much dismay and bad blood between them . Tate was one of those voices that had few rivals . I will always be a fan of old school Queensryche !!!

This sounds a lot like what happened to Mark Farner of Grand Funk Railroad. It's probably going to come down to if kicking him out was legal or not...

Poor Scott. Queensryche is one of my favorite bands and this treatment is unacceptable.

Wilton and Jackson are merely seeing the end of their careers barrelling at them and are trying to squirrel away every single penny they can, including any they can steal from Rockenfeld.

@andrewawakened628

Жыл бұрын

"Steal" from Rockenfield? He hasn't played or recorded with the band for the past 6 years. They're out there putting in all that hard work and he's chilling at home, does that sound fair to you? And of course they aren't going to take him up on the new ideas he sends to the band, because if they use it he's going to be able to collect royalties on it sitting at home while they're the ones putting in the hard work of recording and touring the new material. I can fully understand Wilton and Jackson's point of view that Rockenfiled has abandoned the band and no longer deserves his 1/3 share, because even though he put in all those years of hard work to establish the band, there is currently hard work that needs to be done to keep the band as a going concern and Rockenfield isn't doing any of that now - hasn't been for 6 years,

@markusaurelius777

Жыл бұрын

@@andrewawakened628 Nothing-zw3yd thinks it is about money LMAO !!! They just wanna ROCK more !!!

@metallion0738

9 ай бұрын

​@@markusaurelius777. Scott became a leach to Queensryche, Eddie and Michael tour and Scott just wants to collect money, don't be pathetic.

When we didn't hear from Scott anymore, I felt it in my bones that Whip and Ed were up to no good.

@gerrykay1482

9 ай бұрын

That's a stupid conclusion. Why are you blaming them? If he's so innocent, and easy to work with, why isn't he is a band with Geoff Tate, right now !?

Can anyone explain to me WHAT THE HELL HAS HAPPENED BEING 55 I HAVE LISTENED TO QUEENRYCHE SINCE THEIR FIRST ALBUM. A CLOSE FRIEND AND I (HE IS A SUPERIOR GUITAR PLAYER) GOT TO MEET THE ORGINAL BAND -- THEY OPENED AND PLAYED MINDCRIME STAIGHT THROUGH WE WERE ABLE TO TALK TO THEM ABOUT 30 MINUTES METALLICA GOT OWNED THAT NIGHT. OPERATION MINDCRIME WILL ALWAYS BE THE BEST ALBUM OR DISC EVER MADE.

@timothymartin2137

Жыл бұрын

In a nutshell...Geoff Tate attempted to take the band in a SOFTER direction and then turn the band into hired players to his VISION....after they got rid of him for this (as well as some creative managing and accounting from his wife), one of the band members needed family leave for personal business (Scott Rockenfeld). While he was out of the band they (Eddie Jackson and Michael Wilton )hired replacements for him and other outstanding members of the band and apparently decided they loved not being able to be told no (as well as being able to get the "Queensryche' sound because they hired clones of the band in its original configuration(I have to say that Todd Latore sounds like Tate but has these DISTURBING NOSTRILS>>>>THEY TAKE OVER HIS WHOLE FUCKING HEAD AT TIMES ), because they PROMPTLY cut off communication and are not attempting to steal the rights for the band from Rockenfeld, the ONLY remaining member NOT THEM...THAT IN A NUTSHELL is what is going on! (there is a TON of writing on this and various issues from "The Spit Incident" to Operation Mindcrime 2, to touring as a vaudeville type act, for a Metal band they are the LEAST metal at this point,,,and I think the remaining two blame Rockenfeld for that as well as Tate....that last is just my opinion. But NOW they have 5 guys dedicated to the original sound and I do not believe they want anything to come back in and interfere with this. (at this point they are only talking through lawyers)

@love68

Жыл бұрын

It's all a perfect example of imperfect people destroying an amazing band. I too am 55 and seen them live during Operation live crime. They should have rested after Empire, done solo projects, then continued together later. Queensryche died, for me after Silent lucidity hit radio. Then Hear in the new frontier, solidified their death.🤘😔🤘

@timothymartin2137

Жыл бұрын

@@love68 The livecrime tour was a disappointment, the Empire tour however!! I am lucky enough to have seen both (Greensboro NC) (although I missed Rage for Order, My brother saw that with Ozzy, he said that was amazing)....I have seen them 3 times, once more recently with Dream Theater in Barrie Ontario...pre band dissolving, both DT and Queensryche sharing the stage (if I am not mistaken it was THE show where the two bands decided to experiment with the format....it went over so well the rest of the tour ended with both bands onstage and the drummers sharing a kit!!!! We got to see We Don't Get Fooled Again, a Who cover). THIS SHOW KILLED!!!!!

@love68

Жыл бұрын

@@timothymartin2137 you have my upmost jealousy. 🤘💯💯💯😃🤘

@diablomozart

Жыл бұрын

@@timothymartin2137 i saw the rage tour with ozzy...they were better on that tour than the mindcrime tour...i think the empire tour was their peak but the rage show was incredible...geoff was on fire back then

Just to think there was a time when QR were the only long established band to still have all it's original members, then sadly it all turned to shit 😞😞😞

Tate DeGarmo and rockenfield have been the strength of queensryche for years although I'm not complaining about the music style it's not queensryche anymore

@markusaurelius777

Жыл бұрын

Wilton is no slouch either.

@metallion0738

9 ай бұрын

​@@markusaurelius777. Neither is Eddie.

Without De Garmo and Tate… Who cares anyway. It’s like Judas Priest without Halford and Tipton. No way.

Regardless of who is right or who is wrong, it's a really sad statement of the state of rock and roll in the year 2023. I'm old enough to remember when bands had problems back in the day they drank, yelled and probably threw fists and got over it. These days they hire lawyers and file lawsuits. They suffer, the music suffers and the fans suffer, nobody wins, it's utterly ridiculous.

As a long time fan from their EP release, without Scott, Chris, and Geoff you don't have QR. Those two bozos left don't have any creative talent to any of the other three contributions. When Chris left, QR was done. It clearly shows who was the songwriter in the band

If only they did a reunion tour with all the original members or something like Helloween did , they are gonna make a ton of money and will make fans happy too .

@styrenebuilds6851

Жыл бұрын

They wouldn't sell out arena or stadiums. So no real point in a Reunion

My favorite drummer

What has Scott done since leaving QR? Absolutely nothing !!!

right on ..never lie down and give something you own to anyone scott is the same as any man...leaving a band is not equal to forefitting any ownership ..lol...i am looking forward seing scott getting what is rightfully his ..and furthermore i feel that band as it stands today is only by blood quantum ..and it is becomming more diluted as the years pass...i remember in 1984 holding that original e.p. in my hands as my friend played it ..i was hooked from there ..seen them manytimes even in 1991 in st.louis..one of my favorite concerts ever :)

Not many fully comprehend the full scope of being a 100% professional musician. Meaning you do this for a living. First off all I'd say over 90% of musician aren't schooled in the legal aspects of their work, often this is where an agent or a manager comes in. But the extend of people with specific knowledge which the musician lacks goes much further. I've seen this happen so many times and it's becoming to be sort an inevitability, as most musician start young, paperwork is minimal, agreements not clear are contestable, or even absent being only oral agreements, handshakes. Now Scott finds himself in a situation which most likely arose because of faulty paperwork, bad communication or what have you. As where the original line up consisted of 5 musicians, they probably started out as legal equals, First Chris DeGarmo left which changed the legal status of all 5, then Geoff Tate was let go/left and by that time we saw the first evidence of shaky agreements, so now we're left with 3 , 2 new members joined, but on what financial/legal bases? then in between a newly joined member decides to call it quits as well and now Scott gets ejected and believes is still 1/3 owner. In many years the entire dynamics have changed, the legal and financial status has taken on , probably multiple times, new form. As probably no one knows exactly how things are now and what each member is entitled to after decades, not even speaking of future revenues, Scott has decided to bring this to a courtroom. Usually the place a musician's least likely place he wants to be. I do not pretend I know the full story, I'm simply pointing out the dynamics over years a group has been around and how time is something a musician doesn't have enough of to fully cover his legal and financial status from the start, especially if that jump to stardom comes which again changes everything. Being a musician at that level is not an easy thing. I hope for Scott and his adversares they can resolve things.

Should be an interesting trial

this band was so great at one point. they became, enemies geoff tate went his way ; chris degarmo left the music biz and this guy is still suing the band. what a disgrace. they made great metal albums operation mindcrime ; rage for order ; the warning , empire . and they never could settle their differences it seems

Sad that Queensryche can't reunite for a world tour!

Here on display is a perfect example of a once excellent band’s fall from grace. When it’s not about the money, it’s about the money.

"Hear In the Now Frontier" is my favorite QR album.

@johnlucier5654

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Blasphemy! The Warning Rage for Order Mindcrime. In no particular order. The year rage came out I totalled a 240z with a massive stereo running from the cops while "The Whisper" blared full blast. And walked away. Id do it again.

@metallion0738

9 ай бұрын

I hope you are joking dude.

Revolution Calling.

" The future is but past forgotten "

@benitokamelo252

Жыл бұрын

when you're on the roads to madness

this makes me sad Scott Rockenfield was the backbone of Queensryche and he does not have to take his former bandmates Eddie and Michael to court

With all of the drama that's been going on with QR over the years I don't expect anything ever happening with Reunions or something to that extent of seeing the original band back together. Too many egos clashing it's probably for the best to take QR as they are now and just keep the memories alive and well with the records, studios and live ones both fresh in the minds of the fans. We're not in on the real drama that is going on behind closed doors if they are having problems let them fix it if they want to it's not for us as fans to decide. I look at it this way, if you still enjoy what they are doing now, awesome. If you hate it, then move on. I've done that with another favorite band I liked and got sick of the drama and moved on. Best to stay out of it and enjoy the music.

For the bands sake they should take him back. do what's best for the name. 3 original members is better than 2. stop all the bullshit and realize family comes first give the guy his props and due. He started the band and has every right to return. outing him is something I don't think would have happen if it wasn't for the new singer Todd. I think he had a say in the drummer replacement. instead of kicking him out they should have give him the time he needed to do what needed to be done. Hire a temp until his return. that's what should have been done. be smart its a brand that requires all the names in that brand that makes it strong.

Good luck to all parties involved. Money tears all band's a part. The Beatles, Pink Floyd ECT. The Attorneys are getting rich on this one

How many years does it take to recover from a C-section? Good Lord!

It is such a shame that it has come to this. Such an amazing band now just a shell of its former self. What is left is nothing that I want or would care to see.

I’m a drummer and though I never got to their level I did drum with some small bands. Made a little money at it…I learned years ago to agree to a per gig rate. Tell me when and where the rehearsals and the gigs are going to be and I’ll be there. ‘We want you to join’ . No thank you. Very happy being a side man…I roll up in my van. Set my rig up along with my Michs and monitors.. When done I pack up and go. No politics. No planning sessions. Lol. Then I’m up the next morning for my real job…

First, nothing that "Queensryche" has done since Chris DeGarmo quit interests me. Yeah, yeah, Geoff Tate may be the voice - but Chris was the main songwriter, the driving force and directing intellect of the band - and without DeGarmo, it just isn't the same music. Especially considering that the band name came from one of DeGarmo's songs that he wrote by himself, I feel like they should have just hung up the name when Chris left and moved on to a new name with the new lineup. When they fired Geoff, they definitely should have quit as Queensryche (not saying Geoff should have the right to it - still think both sides should just hang it up) and just kept on as Rising West. Oh, HITNF? I admit when it first came out, I didn't like it that much... but I've gone back to it, and it's grown on me over the years. Damn good album actually, and DeGarmo was way ahead with what he was trying to pull off in the song-writing. Shame most people don't appreciate that. Regarding Rockenfield vs Wilton/Jackson? Kind'a saw this coming... the amount of treachery and fuckery between bandmates when it was Wilton/Jackson/Rockenfield vs Tate makes it not surprising that the remaining three are breaking out the knives on each other now. It does not reflect well on any of them as people, though. But since they're not making music I care about, whatevs. Grab some popcorn, watch the show... Also, since the discord, dysfunction, and all around disruption between Tate, Jackson, Rockenfield, and Wilton goes way back - it's one of the three cited reasons why Chris DeGarmo quit (the other two being that he'd already done just about everything he wanted to achieve musically with QR, and he deliberately chose his wife and family over carrying on with the band - there's a reason Chris DeGarmo is the only one associated with Queensryche who's only been married once and never had a divorce) - also not a surprise that they can't manage to get along with each other. DeGarmo has stated in interviews going back as far as Empire that he was frustrated and not at all happy with the extremely dysfunctional personal relations between the other four members of Queensryche. Again, really not a surprise that Rockenfield and Wilton/Jackson are turning on each other now that Tate's out of the way.

This band has been FULL of lawsuits LOL

Scott is OG,give the man what he is owed,he and Geoff both got fucked over,although I am no attorney and do not claim to know anything about the legalities of this case,I say pay the man,Rock on Rockenfield🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻

@styrenebuilds6851

Жыл бұрын

Scott owes Geoff from the split and hasn't paid his share

@Hoglife

Жыл бұрын

@@styrenebuilds6851 did not know that

I followed them through the 80s and for me it ended during the Empire Album thats the true lineup and always will ve for me.

QR was done when Chris left. Then Tate and Scott leave?! No more QR. It's just a tribute band now. QR has destroyed their name.

QR just phuking sucks now ! They were my favorite for decades !!!!! DeGarmo, Tate and Scott, I really miss you guys and you contributions !

It’s not queensryche without Tate. I hope they disband and all get sued personally.

DELIVERANCE!!!!!!

@StacyArangael-cz1jr

Жыл бұрын

En Force

This legal stuff does not take away from the fact that Scott Rockenfield has become the 'premier drummer" of his time. There are only a few drummers in the world that could achieve his status as one of the best drummers of his time.

Queensryche is a tribute band now

All amazing musicians, but surrounded by so many conflicts and stumbling blocks to make headway, or great music. To me, the band deteriorated the moment DeGarmo left to be honest.

It seems that the original band loves to go to court!! They need to bring Geoff Tate back and grow up! The new band sucks!

QR has not been the same since Chris Degarmo left, and with the shit show it’s become who could blame him for not coming back.

THE WARNING!!!!!!!!!😮😮😮😮

I only want the old QR the new one sucks I hope he wins

Being spit on by his origonal lead singer wasnt enough? Suck this has ended ao sad with one of my favorite banda ever. But it really was a pretty extended paternal leave as well. What a maess.

@styrenebuilds6851

Жыл бұрын

I'm kind of thinking Geoff was on to something about Scott

Unfortunately when Chris Degarmo left the band they went down hill ever since. you can't replace the Dynamics and sound of the original players. it doesn't even sound the same these days they had a good run though. I do remember Queensrych before QR days mob and myth days in Kirkland at the end zone..LOL

Rockenfield doesn’t make it easy on himself.

What's he doing now? Has he put out anything new?

How many members have they made enemies of?

Why am I listening to robo-achor reading yesterdays news?

sounds to me like boths sides are right here

QUEENSRYCHE IS JUST A COVERBAND NOW. ALL THEY DO IS PLAY SONGS THAT GEOFF TATE MADE FAMOUS. 2 ORIGINAL MRMBERS MAKE IT A FACT. TODD COULD NEVER REPLACE MIDNIGHT AND HE CAN REPLACE GEOFF.THE TRUTH QUEENSRYCHE WILL NEVER SELL MORE ALBUMS THAN THEY DID WITH GEOFF TATE!! THEY WILL NEVER HAVE THE SUCCESS THEY DID WITH GEOFF TATE . THE TRUTH IS ALL TODD DOES IS TRY TO IMPERSONATE OTHERS .THEY SOLD 20 MILLION WITH GEOFF. OPERATION MINDCRIME IS LEGENDARY, THE WARNING LEGENDARY, RAGE FOR ORDER ,EMPIRE, CASE CLOSED.

@MikeJAnthony

7 ай бұрын

Yea, thats why I really wish Geoff did not try to take QR away into fantasy-soft-land of music. They were so good together.

He quit the band. Why is he doing this? He quit and then wanted back. Lost all respect for him

Apart from what this video is about, I kind of feel sorry for all you guys who can't accept that members go and gets replaced over the decades. How many bands that are still going from the 80s have their original lineup? I'm a Queesryche fan since way, way, back, and I think all the post Tate albums have been good. Not as good as their best back in the days, but better than anything they did with Tate post Promised land, and way better than some of the last albums DeGarmo was involved in. They *sound* like Queensryche again, and after the absolute drivel of the later Tate years, I had actually given up. Then came Queensryche in 2013 and I was floored. That was actually a really good proper QR album. Tate was truly peerless in his prime. But Tate was also the guy who fucked QR well and truly up. So real kudos for Wilton, Jackson and Rockenfield that they managed to dig themselves out of that abyss. Then it's just a pity that it had to come to this legal shit. But I still watch - and really enjoy - Queensryche whenever they come to a stage nearby. And I truly hope they'll keep going for many years to come.

So Queensryche is now guitarist #2 and bass player? I hope Scott and his attorney kick the living sh1t out of those two. Geoff, Scott and Chris had excellent taste in music, and they're the reason that QR's best albums exist. And as much as it pains me to do so, I'll give them and the band as a whole a mulligan on that god-awful 'Empire' travesty strictly because the three albums and 4 song EP that preceded it buy a LOT of grace and goodwill with me. That, and playing along with Scott note for note as a teenager helped to shape my OWN playing style. Dude was Stewart Copeland on steroids. Glorious.

Scab ryche

Todd is wasting his talent he needs to form a power metal band with Simone mullrioni or jorn viggo of pagans mind

Money is the root of all Rock and roll evil. When Geoff left, it was over. Now life support is all they have. Greed conquers all!