Scientists discover hidden patterns of brain activity
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In a collaboration led by EPFL’s Blue Brain, scientists discover patterns of brain activity - never before observed - with the help of mathematics, providing insight into how neurons collectively process information.
Full article: actu.epfl.ch/news/scientists-...
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DOI : doi.org/10.3389/fncom.2017.00048, www.frontiersin.org/articles/...
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this was so well produced that it makes we want more. Everything about it is pro level.
@jimannothe
2 жыл бұрын
Khe?
This comes closer to explaining the multi-dimensional, fractal, and perfect geometrical patters that our brain produces into our vision while on psychedelics like DMT.
@nemesis91101
2 жыл бұрын
Dude yes! I got gorgeous geometry
I love information like this that further confirms my belief in the power of meditation and our power choose. I’ve used meditation to essentially rewire my brain to fire new neural pathways and form new connections that I WANT to fire and wire instead of it being based on my environment. It’s so fun to watch what my brain is physically doing as I’m meditating.
I am in awe of the computing power we have at our finger tips now, that is enabling us to go deeper into realms previously unknown. How exciting!!! We truly live in wondrous times!
1:32 It's BOOM! and FOOP! terminology time
@woodsprout
5 жыл бұрын
Who cares? She is still describing processes, and it's only a 2 minute video.
@brainwater176
5 жыл бұрын
AA VFX lmao
@mdp5337
5 жыл бұрын
Dr. Bellwald, in Lausanne, is surrounded by French and Italians. She has lively expressions - makes sense.
@xcoldbloom
5 жыл бұрын
this bitch is so stupid and goofy. this is not a game. so unprofessional. get her out of there.
@ZuluEchoRomeoOscar
5 жыл бұрын
@@@xcoldbloom - of course it's a game you twat.
She is so passionate and dedicated to her mission you can see it in her eyes and this boom and woop is just nice to listen and watch. kida cute. Well done very very very god job.
@tc43_toaster
3 жыл бұрын
I know, right? When people talk about something they're passionate about they get 100 times cuter, especially if it's something as nerdy as this
@SpcGiraffe
3 жыл бұрын
Women must love taking advantage of you
@obuyWw
Жыл бұрын
i noticed that too; love it when people are passionate
2 years later and still fascinating ..
Thank you EPFL for the post
These structures have been said to exist and talked about for a long time on a blog titled Shrapnel Reason.
She's amazing, also the way she explains it is amazing. But I'm 5 years late seeing this vid lol, wonder how much they've progressed...?
It’s hard to imagine that this woman is a bunch of neurons analyzing a simplified model of themselves
Wow ... integrating topology in neuroscience, this opens completely a new view of understanding the complex neural manifestations that create consciousness and the diverse consequences that impacts this research!
@deeplearningpartnership
6 жыл бұрын
Not really - it's simply a mathematical representation of a physical phenomenon. If it has any predictive power then it can become a useful theory. The brain is a physical system, just like any other. So it can and will be described mathematically. This is a first step, yes.
@A2017JSCR
6 жыл бұрын
Deep Learning Partnership just an other way to see a coin
@lesscanno
6 жыл бұрын
not necessarily, look for Gödel's incompleteness theorems, there is no math today that can describe the brain by far, even consciousness cannot be explained by the current physical fundamental model. prettend that we know more than we know is a very unhealthy pattern in science, neuroscience is as far to know the problem of consciousness as archimedes was able to know the basis of electromagnetism, maybe in 500 years luckily, consciousness is maybe one of the grates (if not the greatest) mystery of all time
@rochygarcia7582
5 жыл бұрын
@@deeplearningpartnership lescanno turn off you
@deeplearningpartnership
5 жыл бұрын
Huh?
*Nicola Tesla* was absolutely right "Their is a another world I our brain, but we don't have access yet"
@mdp5337
5 жыл бұрын
Where was that from? "My Inventions"?
@TeslaTrading
5 жыл бұрын
never heard of that one before
@sonitsmurda1
3 жыл бұрын
Why do you need access to something that is already there it doesn't change by 'YOU'
@ShaggyTheClown17
Жыл бұрын
@@sonitsmurda1 Maybe in order to get there we have to cross a threshold, death is pretty much the only one we know of but unless our body is going to be reclaimed and restored at some point it doesn't seem like that would be necessary unless the end of days and judgement day is a very imminent thing and the resurrection is really true.
If you are interested by this, look up Fourier Transform and NEAT algorithms (Neuro-Evolution of Augmenting Topologies),
0:54 - "What I think we are seeing here is a way of interpreting or visualizing the brain's own code for what it's doing. It processes the information, it's encoding the input signal and then it's coming to some sort of decision...." "If you have really understood the core of the matter no questions can arise. Questions arise only to an entity. The question is usually - 'What can I do?'. Where the 'I' itself is not, who will want to know anything? Every manifestation is an appearance in consciousness, perceived and cognized by consciousness. There is only manifestation functioning and perceiving. - Nisargadatta Maharaj (Prior to Consciousness)
absolutely brilliant, I should study algebraic topology too
Good job!
Good sound effects
Can you please elaborate on "BOOM!" and "WOOOF!" I'm looking through all of my literature on the subject and can't find anything 🤔
@DavenH
5 жыл бұрын
You need to be looking for FOOP not WOOF - the latter isn't a scientific word.
@TruelifeStorys
5 жыл бұрын
Three letters DMT, I can understand it cause I've been there...lol
@xcoldbloom
5 жыл бұрын
this bitch is so stupid and goofy. this is not a game. so unprofessional. get her out of there.
@WordUnheard
5 жыл бұрын
@@xcoldbloom That's rich, coming from an idiot who doesn't understand the concept of capitalizing words that come at the beginning of a sentence. Get your moronic comment out of here. FOOP!
@WordUnheard
5 жыл бұрын
@@xcoldbloom I didn't read any of that idiotic novel you just wrote. I actually stopped actually reading, when I saw you used the word "actually" twice in the first six words of your rant. Triggered much? lol
Amazing! Fearfully and wonderfully made we are indeed.
@kategriffith6843
2 жыл бұрын
👍
this life is my world , and you all are my creation
@matttsik8596
5 жыл бұрын
dude plz dont tell me youve had this idea,that all the universe is in our minds and you construct everything infront of you and the future, under influence of anything?Nearly gone mad after getting in that thought loop.Would like to discuss
Fractal Brain Theory and beyond, I soak up everything I can on this subject and Consciousness' emergent source. Thanks
@TonBil1
3 жыл бұрын
Any hyperlinks for us? I would highly appreciate.
well articulated scientific I want more of her
@wmorris3484
3 жыл бұрын
So do I.
Does the light pattern you see in low light have anything to do with it?
old news. stanislas dehaene talks about the same type of "global ignition" in his book "consciousness and the brain"
any updates on this research?
How do they measure the depolarisation of all those neurones? How deep a piece of tissue can they monitor? Are the animations just representations of what was measured?
did she get emotional toward the end? he eyes looked a little glassy she seemed so passionate I think she cried... nice...
at 1:32 great! but where are the neurons stop and organize a following direction to a new "task"?
I do not know algebraic topology. I would love to know which concepts of algebraic topology contribute to a new or better understanding of these Activity images.
@BrunoWinck
Жыл бұрын
I studied Algebraic Geometry and I have the same question :)
In what sense is this exactly multidimensional? What is the definition in the context of this paper of a dimension?
@Xez1919
5 жыл бұрын
@@Jackieception Do I understand you correctly, because the degrees of freedom > 1 you call it multidimensional? I don't understand how the word "multidimensional" can be used to describe an equation with df>1. Maybe you can enlighten me?
@EliseyGretchko
5 жыл бұрын
@@Xez1919 "Networks are often analyzed in terms of groups of nodes that are all-to-all connected, known as cliques. The number of neurons in a clique determines its size, or more formally, its dimension." This is their definition of a dimension as discussed in their introduction of the paper. Here's the link to the full (free!) study: www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fncom.2017.00048/full#h3
So we are looking for the foop that makes the decision after processing.
Booom, is it for analysing INPUTS or maybe for creating OUTPUTS or some kind of hybrid process?
The world is holographic universe
@bradmcmurray8165
3 жыл бұрын
Overlaid on biological structure.
Imagine they discover how the brain encodes and decodes information then a bunch of rich dudes swoop in take the data and start transmitting ads right into your brain…
....does our brain store memories in other dimensions?
The brain is an interface for the spirit.
@charliedown5353
3 жыл бұрын
The whole body is.
real progress. math. loving this. !!!
wow, i smell something huge new
There also happens to be 11 dimensions considered in M-Theory. Maybe we are getting a step closer to finding the key that makes it work. Perhaps that key is relative to the individual? A reconstruction of their DNA? What could be more specific about anyone than their DNA?
@jinchey
7 ай бұрын
What does M theory have to do with this?
ultimate transponders to the universe and Earth
the neurons activity looks like the stars in the night sky
i assume that thinking is a process of grouped neurons firing. the neurons are connected in such a way to form exact images as we 'see' in the real world. there are numerous synapses/connected lattice that can/do reflect the real world. animals with simpler brains will 'see' much less.
at 0:33 the blue looks like the eye of horus!
@eugenek1180
4 жыл бұрын
Indeed!
Is there any connection with the 11 dimensions of string theory ?
@jacobjohansen6007
5 жыл бұрын
No they are just using maths as an abstraction to follow a complicated set of multi-threaded processes from fruition to termination. The 'multidimensional universe' bit was a carefully worded analogy for click bait. Edit: Also, M-Theory is 11-dimensional, string theory is 26-dimensional.
@tinnitusthenight5545
4 жыл бұрын
yeah this is specifically bullshit
very beautiful
Quantum search algorithm.
I have a brain tumour that at times blocks some of these signals!
Is it possible to take a donors brain, strip it of all its tissue until it is transparent? Then scan the transparent brain in order to image all those neurological structures?? Would that be easier than slicing the brain paper thin and scanning each layer?
@charliedown5353
3 жыл бұрын
What's left once you strip its tissue?
@ShaggyTheClown17
Жыл бұрын
Problem is without oxygen n blood flow n nutrients brain tissue is the first thing to fall apart, apparently uses 20% of the body's total caloric energy just to function, the only way you're going to see much of anything is to see it happen, preserved tissues can only do so much..... unless you were to hack open a skull and very very quickly.... slice up a brain and get it into some kind of oxygen rich blood filled mechanism you probably wont ever see whats really going on, aside from directly looking at the brain while living intact....
Now I'm really interested in Neurology and want to study but where the hell do I start?
@thorkrynu4551
5 жыл бұрын
What are you already familiar with? Math? Bio? Electronic s? Computers?
@Joshua-dc1bs
3 жыл бұрын
University degree in science, majoring in neuroscience.
@h00db01i
3 жыл бұрын
as a layman, you can't assist in research in these specialised fields, just like most of us. but most of us can read about new discoveries in scientific journals. go to google, type in _researchgate brain activity pattern pdf_ and happy reading
Hmm
Is that a forest?
We're creating this matrix 😏
For the couple of 2¢ critics in this comment section. The researcher's name is Kathryn Hess Bellwald, and you can find her research using Google Scholar. That fact that you couldn't do that by yourselves makes me think you're going to have a bit of trouble reading the papers.
i dont seem to understand the definiton of DIMENSION. dimensions are mathematical terms, what does this have to do with the brain? i understand the frequencies of the brain depending on its state, but dimensions no. what does it even mean 11 dimensions?
Such a shame such powerful thing dies one day.
Only 11
Ahh so that is how the universe looks like..
DMT
Anyone know if this is real?
@vodkacannon
4 жыл бұрын
The probably looked at a brain with a microscope, then modeled it in a supercomputer based off of what they saw in the microscope.
Well we know at least 23 people's brains aren't encoding anything.
The described "boom" is an expenonential fast decrease in neural activity, nothing more. That it is the brain making a decision is just a creative interpretation. I try to stop to be angry about such logic errors (data does not support conclusion) as it is a reflection of the very human desire to discover something new, be part of an adventure, like the first natural scientist who travelled unknown continents.
The way she moves her hands makes me uncomfortable
So nothing is real and this reality we live in could be an imagination
@claudianreyn4529
4 жыл бұрын
That's a proof your brain doesn't exist! :))
She is such a beautiful and smart woman!
@xcoldbloom
5 жыл бұрын
this bitch is UGLY, OLD, and GOOFY. You're a moron.
The brain is holographic universe
So were we KANGZ N SHIET?
It is an electromagnetic field that goes straight to the mind and tap into it through their electromagnetic field they can put in decisions thoughts that wouldn't normally be there that if you didn't know what was going on you wouldn't be able to wonder how they got there but once you know things pop in on an anonymously and all of the sudden there you go now the puzzle is solved now all we got to do is figure out how we can rid the world of them LOL
11 dimensions. that's what the metaphysical psychics talk about. in the afterlife,11 dimensions to the universe. Were in the 4th dimension. How can we use it to time travel. that's the question.
Other animals brain how?
This means we can never replicate a human brian IMHO. The complexities may never be understood by humanity! I suspect it is devised by genetic engineering billions of years older than us! The fact anyone can state there is no creator, blow my MIND. LOL. This level of complex design is far beyond happenstance! The big question will always remain though. HOW THE HELL DID THIS HAPPEN? Hurt to even think about. Our brain structure is near infinitely complex. Or, maybe more accurate to state now, it actually is infinitely complex. Perhaps, there are no limits to our brain function. Higher IQ people just have more access to more 'lanes' of data then lower IQ. Compare it to PCIE version 1 vs version 4. The bus widths are infinite, but many are running on 8 bit still. :)
@mistycloud4455
Жыл бұрын
A.G.I Will be man's last invention
@Curious_Skeptic
Жыл бұрын
@@mistycloud4455 It won't happen, but IF it does, agreed!
@jamespenny9482
9 ай бұрын
Psalm 139:14 "I will praise thee, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made."
So the Brain performs different methods for a single task Simultaneously..That's why humans scream "fuck" in an escalated state rather than "shit"..when a porn movie influenced them two days before...It is not getting informations from outside somewhere right away in the middle of processing..it needs to do it step by step....then it is a complex structure as known.....
My brain tells me she's HOT!!
No free will
@angelamarilla
7 жыл бұрын
Was the "free will" ever non-deterministic?. I mean we don't make a decision randomly.
@RyanF470
6 жыл бұрын
You didn't chose to write that comment.
@toml1777
6 жыл бұрын
We have some Free Will. There are always limitations. I can't fly without an airplane. We have as much Free Will as God will allow us to have. God is a benevolent dictation. Jesus said, "My yoke is easy and my burden is light". God wants us to succeed. He guides us with little nudges. God knows all things - past, present and future - so from God's point of view, nothing is a surprise. Maybe we are like children playing in a sandbox but we still have a degree of freedom. We are alive and we can think. God allows us to make mistakes.
@criztu
6 жыл бұрын
you have to study the Duality: 1. did living structures arise from non-living structures? 2. did life came to be, randomly? 3. does life has a purpose, or is it purposeless? 4. if you reply to my comment, will it be because you chose to, or because you couldn't do anything about it? 5. if you don't reply to my comment, will it be because you chose to, or because you couldn't do anything about it? 1. If living structures arose from non-living structures, then that's like painting with red color, and getting a green painting. something out of nothing. you have 69 grams of coke, and from that 69 grams of coke, an extra 1 gram of cocoa, arises. 2. if life came to be, randomly, isn't it amazing how the quasi-infinite processes in your body, are stubbornly non-random, each and every one of them, conspiring to keep your body alive, body that refuses to randomly die, and return to the non-living state its constituent matter originally was in? 3. if life doesn't have a purpose, isn't it amazing how you keep turning up at your job, do whatever you do there, and get your salary, to survive, day after day, as the thought of death terrorize you, and you simply don't want to die? 4. are you going to reply to my comment, or what? I really have no idea if you're going to reply or not.
@musicpolygon
6 жыл бұрын
oh please, why comment on a scientific video with theological ideas ... bellend
So basically I learned nothing
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How does the brain react to a personal attachment say for instance orbs or ghosts attaching their self to your mind how can I mind ignore that what's the secret to that sauce well I could tell you half of it make sure you don't have much feelings LOL
What is this clickbait
You know it is time to bring the truth out so let's just all put it together LOL
no you can't be god. you will never sequence the human brain with a computer model.
@joshuamigueldelpilar6287
5 жыл бұрын
Learn how to use proper characters for communication first. Then you may educate yourself in more depthful subjects.
@2112SNEEK
4 жыл бұрын
Sure, its better to slaughter some infidels.
Dear Mr and Mrs Scientist, One day when you find out that the brain is simply a step down, step up transformer for activity from the real being who is just using the body for a life, you will start to begin to realise that a human is not their body. The human brain takes the signals from the 5 senses, and uploads it to the real being in order to experience the physical world...There is no death, the body just runs out and is discarded when it is no longer useful, and it has done it's temporary job. Consciousness continues and consciousness evolution is the real purpose of life.
@miiketookit
6 жыл бұрын
I agree that consciousness continues, but that doesn't mean that any new theories to explain it are automatically false.
@dontshakeme
6 жыл бұрын
agreed, but it IS definitely about time we finally explore the brain's power, by exploring the brain's work. So I think there's still a LOT to do and I am quite excited about it. Let's start changing the world by saving the children
@Loliamnyancat
6 жыл бұрын
As if we were entities experiencing "life" on a organic mecha body? ¿What's the point of that though? ¿Why go through the hassle of experimenting a human life?
@thorkrynu4551
5 жыл бұрын
Yawn. Your description leaves out the fact that doing science is part of that. A science person is just as entitled as a condescending manipulative religious type to experience this world in a different way. Maybe they in fact creating a new set of experiences for lazy beings like you to use just like you are using a computer or smartphone now instead of dealing with disease and starvation while making tedious repetitive moral judgements. Maybe in their last life they got bored of being focused on spiritual vanity.
@mdp5337
5 жыл бұрын
This was not relevant.
All praise be to Allah, the designer of the brain and the creator of the universe, THE ONE.
@2112SNEEK
4 жыл бұрын
Fuck you Allah!
Jesus writes on the sand :)
BULL!
what the hell is she talking about? "puff"?
@Jackieception
2 жыл бұрын
puff as in the multi dimensional structure is destroyed i suppose to allow for further shapes of consideration to emerge
@matthewwilson3359
Жыл бұрын
I am hardly an expert, but she was talking about a field of math's called algebraic topology to create a diagram consisting of a series of vertices and vectors. each node represents a single spiking neuron, while the vectors represent direction of the signals and the direction of it's propagation. She believes her data may indicate that when the brain comes to a decision the shapes and structures generated by the neurons while the brain is thinking by using the model of algebraic topology, collapses when the brain comes to a decision.
"Scientists"
AI will be better in discovering hidden patterns of brain activity
Good job Al hamdoullilah!! If you Read the Quran you can have the answer of every thing.. we need only a good brain a good intellect for understanding... And if you don't have hope or you are disgusting about that ... Go and read it for yourself. :)
So it's just a theory, not fact, of no value whatsoever.
This is such incoherent nonsense. This lady doesn’t seem to know what she’s talking about.