Last time I was this early, my partner was disappointed.

Is it just me, or is the F2002 spectacularly underrated? It had a higher win percentage than the F2004, took Schumi to first or second in all fifteen races it entered in 2002, and *even if you don't adjust for the different points system,* Schumi had a higher average points per race in the F2002 than in the F2004. That's just staggering!

@RBenjo21

3 жыл бұрын

Well, the thing about 2002 is that reliability of the Williams was just woeful: you can make a case the F2002 wasn't much faster than the Williams, and was objectively not faster in Qualifying trim. Montoya took most poles that year, for example.

@elliotcrossan6290

3 жыл бұрын

@@RBenjo21 if you want to finish first, first you have to finish!

@RBenjo21

3 жыл бұрын

@@elliotcrossan6290 Indeed!

@209PH

3 жыл бұрын

@@RBenjo21 No, Montoya and Michael Schumacher took 7 poles each in 2002, and Barrichello took the other three, so overall Ferrari took 10 poles to Williams' 7. And, while the Williams was often quick in qualifying, in the races the Ferrari was FAR superior. Usually, when Montoya started on pole, the Ferraris would gain the lead within a few laps then just drive away into the distance. Reliability was NOT the reason why Montoya failed to convert any of his poles into wins, he had three mechanical DNFs but he wasn't on course to win any of those races. The only race you could argue Montoya "should" have won is Brazil, which (along with Malaysia, which Ralf won) was the only race where Williams appeared genuinely quicker on race day. In fact, Williams reliability wasn't that bad, Montoya and Ralf had 3 mechanical DNFs each, which was actually pretty normal by the standards of the time. McLaren, for example, had a far worse reliability record, especially on Raikkonen's car (he had 7 mechanical DNFs!) Indeed, had they been as reliable as Williams, McLaren would probably have pushed them hard for 2nd place in the WCC, as their race pace was often as good as, or even better than Williams. The F2002 was just freakishly reliable, well Michael's F2002 at least. In summary, the F2002 dominated because it was by far the quickest car in race trim. The Williams FW24 took nearly as many poles because it worked its tyres hard in qualifying, but that just caused it to suffer tyre wear and go backwards in the race.

@RBenjo21

3 жыл бұрын

@@209PH Montoya should have won in Malaysia, Brazil, Monaco, Canada, and Italy at least. But it’s not just when they retired: points lost from, er, misdemeanours at Spain, Europe, Hungary, US...

The perfect podcast dosent exi-

@comradeoblivious526

3 жыл бұрын

This podcast is proof that Carlsberg do, in fact, do podcasts.

I was an ardent McLaren supporter back in 2001-2008. My dad and my little brother were (and still is, in some way) Tifosis. In 2004 it was basically a season of misery for me, having to watch their smug faces as Michael and F2004 schooled the entire field on how to drive and how to make an F1 car. I went to become a part-time Tifosi since 2015 when Seb started his season in Ferrari (part of the reason being 458 Speciale, LaFerrari, stuffs like that. Still a McLaren supporter, though). Took me many, many years of engineering studies to appreciate how good the F2004 was, though. It was only when I started my graduate studies in aerospace engineering and working on aerodynamic optimization as my thesis that I begin to absolutely adore just how nigh-on perfect the F2004 was as the entire package. That optimization does not come easy. Only proper genius can do such optimum package that was consistent race after race with no trouble whatsoever. F1 cars aren't artistically beautiful, and F2004 certainly isn't artistic. It's no Pagani Huayra. But to see how optimized it was and how much of an absolute weapon it really was, that was one heck of a beautiful piece of engineering.

@AidanMillward

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, but the 2008 smugness tho

Being a massive Ferrari fanboy (red was my favourite colour, I wonder why) in my child years, I loved seeing The Michael destroy everything. For everyone else in my family who were David Coulthard/ Jenson Button fans, it was a pretty shit 5 years 😆

@elliotcrossan6290

3 жыл бұрын

That's how I feel being a Lewis fan these days 😁

@DOCDARKNESSREAL

3 жыл бұрын

I was lucky enough to be at Spa when The Michael won his 7th Title. He celebrated with the fans from the roof of the support pits. Special days

@benanderson95

3 жыл бұрын

@@DOCDARKNESSREAL damn, lucky.

@elliotcrossan6290

3 жыл бұрын

@@DOCDARKNESSREAL that sounds incredible!!

@michaelx4810

3 жыл бұрын

@@DOCDARKNESSREAL I was there too with my parents 🙂.

I don't want to sound like a Ferrari mafioso or anything, but this car will always hold a soft spot in my heart because it was the first F1 experience I ever had, watching the 2004 France GP, seeing michael in that red rocket tearing magny cours apart, hits me in the feels man...

I saw a F2004 up close during the "Thursday open pit road" event in Montreal back in 2006. It was smaller than I expected, and the actual paint was more orange than red. Something about getting the right color on TV cameras the attendant said.

@AidanMillward

3 жыл бұрын

I’ve seen a 2016 and 2011 car up close. The 13 was tiny and the 16 was the same but a bit longer. LMP3 on the other hand... minuscule.

@dreambound.

3 жыл бұрын

@@AidanMillward LMPs in general are tiny. I got to see the Porsche 919 Tribute and it was so small compared to the 911 RSR But man do LMPs look good

@sheeple04

3 жыл бұрын

The shape of LMPs makes them seem like they are almost as big as F1 cars in photos. But in real life? They are damn tiny man. When you see a picture of a LMP with a human next to it you definitely also notice that either the person is giant or the car is small, which the car is.

@dreambound.

3 жыл бұрын

@@sheeple04 Toyota has a picture comparing the size of a Yaris WRC car to their TSO50 LMP1 and well lets say I didn't expect that

@sheeple04

3 жыл бұрын

@@dreambound. just looked it up, holy shit that LMP1 is tiny... And not tall at all

When Mick Schumacher made his "fun drive" in Muggello last year and did pretty much the same time as Williams and Haas, you could see what kind of mashine Ferrari did back in the days. I mean look up the F1 games, most tracks are dominated by the F2004

@luisesteves911

2 жыл бұрын

you don´t know what you are saying...

@nevercommitsuicide

2 жыл бұрын

yeah because insanely inaccurate arcade games definitely show the BOP of real life cars....

I feel very lucky to say that I have seen the chassis that Schumacher clinched the 2004 title in at Spa. I am lucky enough to say I have seen an f2002,2003 ga and an f2005 along with others of the era. They are all such beautiful cars and the sound is just like nothing else

Storytime:Enhanced Edition

At 19:08, I don't know if it was intentional, but I loved that subtle reference to Murray Walker's commentary at the Malaysian GP of 2001.

The F2004+The Michael were a force to be reckoned with, probably one of the best combos of all times (taking into account the performance gaps).

At the Australian GP in qualifying Michael smashed the lap record the other teams said we might as well go home. From that point I knew this car was going to destroy the field.

Maybe one day we will look back on the W11 with the same fondness of this car, after being so resentful of it at the time

@G.P_79

3 жыл бұрын

A little but not really.

@sheeple04

3 жыл бұрын

@@G.P_79 A few decades of time can do a lot, so I wouldn't be surprised if it did get a similar reputation to the F2004. If you asked this question in 2004 I think people also would've answered what you said but then about the F2004, but here we are today

@G.P_79

3 жыл бұрын

@@sheeple04 fair enough I wouldn’t be surprised if they started liking the mercs in a few years.

@bassplayer2011ify

3 жыл бұрын

I like the car I just don't like the driver. I wasn't the biggest fan of the all black livery though. Imo it looks much better with the black and silver livery it has now. And let's be honest here when it comes to black liveries nothing will look better then the Lotus JPS livery.

I don’t think we will ever see a driver do something like what Micheal did in 2002, 2004 gets all the glory cause you know 7th title 13 wins in a season but the absolutely insane level of consistency and luck to get on the podium for every single race is mindblowing

As a young german this car was indeed the holy grail. Looking back without the fanboy stuff for Michael the dominant seasons weren't very interesting but back then it was everything young me wanted. But also looking back this car was an absolute beauty and I think it looks better than today's cars. I'm really curious what the cars will look like with the new rules next year.

I love how you keep saying "The Michael"

Hands down my favourite F1 car of all time. Perfection.

The thing that got me into F1. Just a beautiful beast.

Love watching sim footage while listening. If you run out of it for a video, just loop the same stuff ! :)

I remember feeling initially dissappointed with the 2004 season. We'd just come from the nailbiting 2003 season where a at times discombobulated Michael had won it partly thanks to a string of strong races, partly because the team and Barrichello backed him up at the critical moments, and also because Mclaren never got their real 2003 car working and split resources trying to get 2 2003 cars working. As a Mclaren and Raikkonen fan, I was looking forward so much to the Woking team getting the concept right this time and go toe to toe with Ferrari at the start, and then also Williams went with their strange (for 2004) car and wondered if they where on to something. I recall being shocked at the practice and qualy times, with just how in front Ferrari where, and how the, rumored, groanings at Mclaren where spot on and that Mp4-19 car was crap. I don't recall hating the F2004, it looked and sounded so right, but I do recall Montoya famously quipping that anybody would be a WDC in those Ferrari cars, I didn't agree at the time and still don't. I agree with the points you brought up but also, would the car be so good for said driver if he wasn't there in the first place to develop it into that car? In a sport where a few tenths is a massive difference, subtle small things like driver preference make so much difference, Michael was the right person at the right time at the right team, and the way Hamilton shaped Mclaren and then Mercedes is as impressive, if not even more. Vettel I think was amazing in his era of blown diffuser cars, and while amazingly quick overall, I suspect he's not as comfortable in current cars, which lead him on a vicious cycle. Again, it's not massive differences, but if he's just a smidge uncomfortable, he's off a tenth or two, and that's it, he's losing places, especially against someone so brutally competitive and talented as Hamilton. We need to try to always enjoy the present, and I'm not trying to be zen here, I'm being realistic, I remember watching Ferrari's dominance and not fully appreciating it, I'm trying not to do the same with Mercedes' current period, even if for this 2021 season my loyalties lie in a more bullish team. That said, while neither Mclaren or Williams got their 2004 concepts to work out of the box (and williams never got their strange nose to work) the hyperquick 2005 Mclaren, as well as most of Newey's Red Bulls,follow some patterns that he tried out and innovated with in those failed 2003 and 2004 cars, so in the end I think he was right. And watching current wide nosed cars (and with the memories of the phallic noses of seasons prior) the 2004's walrus tusked Williams seems to me at least, like the right concept, just with not mature enough technology to back it up.

@AJZulu

3 жыл бұрын

Man. I remember the Walrus Tusk nose of the Williams team.

@maverick8697

3 жыл бұрын

"and the way Hamilton shaped Mclaren and then Mercedes is as impressive, if not even more" - I completely disagree with that statement. IMHO Schumacher helped to build the Ferrari car, while Hamilton is a good driver that doesn't make mistakes (while not under pressure), who drives one of the most dominating cars ever (think like Williams '93 or '97). So IMHO he is someone like Hill or a much better Villeneuve. Funny thing: the Mercedes team started to develop the car with Brown and Schumacher.

@dxfifa

3 жыл бұрын

@@maverick8697 Hamilton vs Bottas and Rosberg was like Mansell vs Patrese and Piquet at williams. 2020 season was very very much like 1992 where williams = mercedes

That car was incredible, It turned up in Melbourne on its 2nd lap I think broke the lap record, & they parked it until qualifying. Michael was at his peak which helped.

Thanks for bringing back an even better story time! As an American, I would really appreciate a Dan Gurney episode.

@sadwingsraging3044

3 жыл бұрын

I remember hearing a guy talk about restoring a Trans Am car Dan ran back in the day, a Charger if I remember correctly, and hidden way up under the dash he found two coffee can tins that had been soldered together in the shape of a figure 8. He ran across Dan somewhere and told him he had that old car and his discovery of said cans but he couldn't figure out exactly what it was and why it was there. Dan laughed and explained it was a hidden fuel cell he had to run whenever he put the "special spec" engine in the car to be able to finish the races. LOL! A J Foyt would be another good subject. Ask Andretti about him seeing AJ hop out of an Indy car after turning a blistering qualification lap with a nitrous bottle tucked inside his racing suit. After Andretti realized he couldn't see a race official anywhere close he had to watch the bottle dissappear behind the pit wall as AJ gave him a giant smile and a wink. Andretti said even he had to laugh!

@duckrutt

3 жыл бұрын

@@sadwingsraging3044 AAR ran 'Cuda and Posey had a Challenger.

@sadwingsraging3044

3 жыл бұрын

@@duckrutt that's right. Been so many years ago. Sassygrass green and black.

@duckrutt

3 жыл бұрын

Er, I thought I cancelled the comment because it wasn't particularly useful and came off kinda snarky. I guess I didn't. Anywho yeah, Chrysler decided to race in Trans Am with their E body cars for some reason (probably marketing) while their B bodies played around in NASCAR (Chargers, Road Runners, Daytonas and Super Birds). I don't know if you've seen a Barracuda parked next to a Camaro or Mustang but they're kinda big. I don't have a copy of the SCCA rule book from 1970 but they would have been better off racing an A body like a Dart/Duster. You could get those cars with a 340 too so... shrug?

@sadwingsraging3044

3 жыл бұрын

@@duckrutt Dad had a 72 Cuda, red with the hockey stripe in white. I think they ran the Cuda for the wider wheelbase it had. Had a Duster myself. Man I miss that 71 Duster with a 72 grill in it. Snark away! I never back down from a good laugh. ;-)

I love these podcasts so so much. I usually listen to them while doing daily races in gt sport.

Great retrospective on a great car. Luckily I was at Spa in 2004 (the ONLY F1 race I’ve been able witness in person much to my chagrin 🙃) I Hit the Jackpot to be honest could do a wee video on my experience, it was enlightening at the time. There’s many characters from that weekend including... Security Guards Belgian Police and One particularly irate Schumacher fan 😳 I still have a little ball of F1 rubber in a drawer somewhere, I like to think it’s Bridgestone rubber 🙄😁 TV is one thing but F1 in the buff is on a different level 🤯

@zeroelus

3 жыл бұрын

As I mentioned in another comment I was a Raikkonen/McLaren fan and loved that race, yes Michael won his record breaking 7th championship but Raikkonen looked so comfortable in that car on that track. I’m super jealous of you haha. I’ve never been to a GP and really want to go to to Spa at least once.

Loving your videos lately man!

i absolutely love your videos! been watching since a couple years now but still love them. keep it up :)

Love this podcast hope you keep it up Aidan!

All time fav f1 car and all time fav f1 driver

I'm here to help the algorithm. Great content, been loving the F1 history

As a 9 year old kid when this happened, I used to think that the F2004's sleekness as "too normal" that it was boring. I was a Schumacher fanboy, yet preferred the more aggressive MP4-19's and R24's looks. Now I think the F2004 is the most beautiful Ferrari F1 car that they ever built so far.

F2004 is for me the greatest car ever, it shattered every lap record by seconds that season, also one of the most beautiful cars too, simple and elegant

My favorite F1 car of all time, this one, and likely won't ever be beat, because of that glorious v10.

You had me at "Zsolt Baumgartner".

Aidan, How about a story time on the Audi R10 TDi? Should make for a good one.

It's telling that while today's cars are faster than they were in 2004, they don't capture the imagination quite like this one does.

"show us on the doll where Ferrari hurt you"😂

Still think the narrower front wings look far better than the wider ones of today.

@benn8793

3 жыл бұрын

At that time, cars had much better proportions in general. Smaller front wing, wider and lower rear wing and generally minimalist aerodynamics compared to today.

hey Aidan, thanks for all these videos they are awesome, you have a great radio voice, have you considered voice books it would be awesome. also do you have any suggestions forr a good racing sim for a mac?

I love the spotify versions. No ads!

@PlittHD

3 жыл бұрын

...yet

@AidanMillward

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, how dare content creators get monetary reward for the work they put in!

@Jason-db1dy

3 жыл бұрын

@@AidanMillward you have a patreon page so people can donate to support the show. Honestly I watch both. So let's pump the brakes here

The car we all salivate over even though hardly any of us saw it actually race at the time because we'd gotten bored and stopped watching.

Even though I was a die hard MSC fan back then (and still a bit of a Ferrari, more anti Mercedes today than anything haha), I didn't liked the livery, too much bright red, the 90's cars from back when they failed blatantly had still the best combination of scarlet rosso corsa, black wings and golden wheels, still an staple of simple designs that worked great

@f1jones544

3 жыл бұрын

Ferrari hasn't been able to figure out their colors since 1996. Now that matte's guy to do. I especially don't know what's going on this year.

@LucasOliveira-tt2ll

3 жыл бұрын

@@f1jones544 Might have to do with Philip Morris owning the rights to the livery and trying to stick subliminal tobacco ads

This history cast was as well done as the 2004 was driven by its driver Aidan! Well done sir. Well done indeed. That being said why do I have a sneaking suspicion you just couldn't take it any longer and thumbed down your own video in a final act of defiance for having to say _that name_ so many times while suppressing the usual hint of derision you manage so eloquently to parley in the other videos with _that name_ in it! LOL! ;-) Keep the wheels on the track and your foot off the brake my man and keep them coming!

@AidanMillward

3 жыл бұрын

It was the car that won that title 😉

@sadwingsraging3044

3 жыл бұрын

@@AidanMillward Redbull gives you wings baby! LOL!

insane verstappen foreshadowing

@HappyVibes535

Ай бұрын

Greatest racing driver of all time. Super Max.

A Patriot guided one and deadly. Their golden days: Byrne, Brawn, Todt and Schumi. I remenber how boring races used to be and only Renault and Alonso did put and end to that.

Was thinking to write this in the jordan video but I do it here as you say the Ferrari F2004 is the best looking: In my eyes the Jordan 2001 car with its shark mouth easily the best looking f1 car ever :P But as a ferrari fan yes F2004 is a holy icon but I see the Ferrari F2002 car as even bigger icon, the car that beat all records and gave schumacher the most epic record: finishing on the podium in all races of that season. And even winning races in 2003 when they decided to start the season with the 2002 car while they developed the 2003 car. not even the F2004 car managed to do that.

Will be watch this later..now it is the Monaco Historique Qualifying...talking about history

2004 Ferrari was probably the best looking car that season and one of the best of all time.

All the car 🤔 Michael developed the tires with Bridgestone giving him an advantage.

Ferrari seemed a threat all the way up to the end of 2007, Brawn had been forced out by board politics within the parent group the year before so the 2007 was his last car. Once he left the exodus of technical staff began and from 2008 onwards. Eventually after the board trying a few unsuccessful team principles from inside Ferrari they hired an outside to Ferrari in Arrivabene who got them very close. However the untimely death of Marchionne allowed the board to start playing politics again and Ferrari have languished since. The history of team principles is fascinating. Ferrari have often treated the position more as a favour than a serious role.

In some simulations i think in ACC they modded it so the F2004 would use slick tyres and it would be way faster than modern F1 cars. Of course simulation and reality are totally different but it was still an interesting experiment.

@AidanMillward

3 жыл бұрын

That was me who did that 😅

F2004, the Devil Z of the Ferrari

Aidan - a video by Chris Buck on Clapton signature guitars said that the only three colours Clapton initially allowed were grey, 'Ferrari' red and then later, '7-up' green. Do you reckon the 7-up green could have been inspired by that Jordan? I'm thinking it might have been

I hope the a1gp video will be re-recorded soon

@steruss9481

3 жыл бұрын

I second this.

My favorite part of the F2004 story was how they thought something was clearly not legal with the car when they first tested it at Mugello because it was so fast LOL!

Yeah the fact Michael won so many titles with a team that royally sucks most of the time is the impressive feat

except for the HUGE regualtion change for 1998.

Your question regarding the Minardi driver in that F2004 is pretty much the same that I make when I encounter "iTs jUsT tHe cAr" people whinging about Hamilton's Mercedes. I always ask them: "Would Latifi or Mazepin win the championship in the W11?"

@AntoniusTyas

2 жыл бұрын

Both could win a race or two. But they won't be as consistently good as Lewis or Max in Mercedes or RedBull.

I have seen the car rival the current ones on Assetto Corsa- I am not certain if that would work in real life, but possibly?

8:50 Resident Evil reference... keen for Village?

@AidanMillward

3 жыл бұрын

Not been keeping up with it to be honest.

Would have podiums for both drivers but I’m not sure on the titles.

How about one on the Mercedes W05 ?

Bernie was behind everything and every World Champion, especially Schumacher and Hamilton. Change my mind.

@AidanMillward

3 жыл бұрын

He did admit he rigged it in Ferraris favour with Max.

@ThePolarisGman

3 жыл бұрын

@@AidanMillward He also set Schumacher in a Ferrari back then.

S1 Sode' 7: The Rocket Ferrari that win it all. aka Schumacher's Italian Super Shuttle.

@ruddgrandprix-speedrunraci8515

3 жыл бұрын

Also, Last time I was this early Schumacher's a GD Rocket Man.

@Shiggiesmalls02

3 жыл бұрын

@@ruddgrandprix-speedrunraci8515 last time you were this early Schumachers brain still worked

Could we have done the 2003 instead, the Michael was injured for that car’s development and barrichello did all the testing, the car was designed around him and not Michael, idk just kinda makes that car seem more interesting

You want instant aging? *I’m younger than this car*

@AidanMillward

3 жыл бұрын

I was 14.

I wonder if I prefer the V10 because in 2000 I was 6 years old and first was aware of F1. Would that mean that young kids now prefer V6 because they grew up with it?

@AidanMillward

3 жыл бұрын

Kids have access to KZread so I guess they’re going to see that and wish they have it now.

Why isn’t this on Apple podcasts?

Dude I love the new podcast series! Its classic Story Time-esque

2000,2001,2003 titles weren't easy to get at all! Only 2002 and 2004 won early. So, MS went all out to get the 5 out of his 7 titles. And lost at least 2 on the edge (1999, 2006) and his accident at Silverstone might cost him another one. Those are facts for anyone who watched F1 back then.

@benn8793

3 жыл бұрын

That Accident at Silverstone was 1999... but I still agree for the most part.

@giorx5

3 жыл бұрын

@@benn8793 Correct! 1998 was on the edge and Silverstone's accident was on 1999. Thanks!

The McLaren MP4/2 deserves more praise than than the MP4/4. 3 Drivers titles in 3 seasons. I rated above both the MP4/4 and the F2004, maybe the Lotus 72 and McLaren M23 beat it.

Alow me to come with som constructive feed back: Love your videos, but the sound/volume is to low.

You could do bikes like MotoGP or something instead of f1. Don’t know if that would be something good.

@PlittHD

3 жыл бұрын

MotoGP is best on youtube because you only see the crashes

@oxcart4172

3 жыл бұрын

@@PlittHD u like seeing people get hurt?

@megayeet813

3 жыл бұрын

@@PlittHD the racing’s the best part it’s always quite close

How many people doubled their wealth with the success of the F2004? ;)

Codemasters?

I all the sudden feel like snow skiing. Grab your windbreaker.

But Senna wasn't the best driver in an MP4/4 in 1988. Something about the other guy scoring 11 more points over the course of the season, i.e. over an entire race win's worth of them. That's right. Fight me. 😁

Weren't totally unbeatable in early 2000s, 2003 nearly saw them lose out to Kimi and probably should have if it weren't for the tyre war

@AJZulu

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah. I feel gutted for Kimi. HE SHOULD have had a championship back then.

@f1jones544

3 жыл бұрын

JPM could have done it too, but it ended for both with Ferrari's tire protest, about a construction that Michelin had used for over a year. Convenient...

If dominance comes from actually being better than the rest, then I'm fine with it because it's down to the rest to catch up. But if dominance comes from cheating or the governing body letting them get away with everything because they think it's good for the sport because it brings in money, then I'm not fine with it because it's not fun for either the other teams or the fans. When it comes to Ferrari and others who themselves have had dominant years, I have no issues because essentially they have just exploited the rules in a way that can't be argued against which happens in all sports and in life itself.

2005 rules and on killed the Schumi era, absolute joke and it's funny how people bitch that the FIA was on Ferraris side instead of just going "oh yeah, they just made great cars and had an amazing driver".

Do you actively look for the hate comments first, with regards to the opening bit, you're actively driving said narrative with schumi/Hamilton,. Most fans appreciate them both equally

@f1jones544

3 жыл бұрын

If you frequented any bulletin boards back in the day, which I think Aiden did, as did I, there was no middle ground. Physical treats weren't uncommon. Fun times.

@crookeymonster1

3 жыл бұрын

@@f1jones544 I love physical treats, they're great

I really hope tha merc and hamilton win 2021. Just to brake the records. Otherwise i dont really like hamilton.

@robertthassy461

3 жыл бұрын

I hope he will not F1 became a shitshow so I want to see him beaten maybe humbled too

@hrvojetasner5173

3 жыл бұрын

@@robertthassy461 well i want Mercedes get the championship double. And bottas wouldn't do it in a 100 years.

@robertthassy461

3 жыл бұрын

@@hrvojetasner5173 Why you want F1 to be literally unwatchable shit for more years?

@AidanMillward

3 жыл бұрын

@@robertthassy461 it’s only unwatchable shit when it’s not your guy or team doing the domination.

@hrvojetasner5173

3 жыл бұрын

@@robertthassy461 i admire mercedeses' technical and strategical excellence. It's not their fault the other teams can't rise to the challange.

The whole "it's the car" argument just baffles me. Of course it's the freaking car numb nuts! That paired with skill leads to the dominance that is Lewis Hamilton and Mercedes. He's not gonna win in a Haas or a Williams.

I don’t like the Mercedes and Hamilton dominance because it’s bad for the sport but Lewis is a good driver.

Shoey>Schumi. Or, at least, the Shoey is more fun than Schumi.

It was the best era in F1

@AidanMillward

3 жыл бұрын

Only in sound and looks. Any actual racing was borderline non existent.

@robertthassy461

2 жыл бұрын

@@AidanMillward it was better than in the hybrid era sadly

still has the shame of riding on those grooved tires.. i still hated those days.. did not like F1 during the schumi dominating era.. yuk

Gutierrez would’ve won, if he had no teammates.

In a current Merc even Esteban Tuero would be WDC

@sekhyhybrid6701

3 жыл бұрын

In the W12? No, the W12 isn't dominant at all. (As of May the 4th.)

@robertthassy461

3 жыл бұрын

@@sekhyhybrid6701 any merc in the last 7 years was disgustingly dominant like their driver

@sekhyhybrid6701

3 жыл бұрын

@@robertthassy461 What? You call the 2018 W09 disgustingly dominant as well? Lewis made the difference that season.

@robertthassy461

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@@sekhyhybrid6701 made difference with kneeling yes...

I think the last race at Imola proves or disproves rather the "Its the car not the driver" Hamilton smashed out came from the back and took P2 Bottas in the same car mid field all race long until Russell took him out. If it were the car Bottas and Hamilton P 1 & 2 Stappy P3. Verstappen won because he can drive the car and Hamilton smashed the entire field in less than half a race distance because he can drive the car. I am a Verstappen supporter but just sayin Latifi aint winning no races even in a Merc