As Mark Twain famously said "Never let your schooling get in the way of your education."

@eileenjohnston6835

3 жыл бұрын

I clicked your name and this took me to your KZread site. Your videos are fun to watch and filled with useful info.

@DannySabraArt

3 жыл бұрын

@@eileenjohnston6835 thanks Eileen! 👍

@ravirishav3842

3 жыл бұрын

Your channel is very fun and informative.Keep posting new videos👍

@DannySabraArt

3 жыл бұрын

@@ravirishav3842 thanks Ravi!

As a traditional artist, it sure is hard to thrive where everyone is hiring digital artist and on top of that I live in a country where a career as an artist isn't a "real" career

@peterjacksonanton4814

3 жыл бұрын

I think if your traditional skills are good, you should be able to transition to digital pretty smoothly if you need to find remote work. Also, you can still photograph and submit work online for some illustration jobs if you can work fast enough. Greg Manchess has talked about this, I believe. You could also teach or do mentorships online

@PHeMoX

3 жыл бұрын

"a country where a career as an artist isn't a "real" career" Don't let that type of stuff confuse you though. If you find ways of making money through your art, it can definitely be a career. A lot of illustrators STILL work in traditional media. It's slower and more expensive and as such you have to be really good at it to succeed. But in most ways this applies to anyone doing digital art too. Competition in the digital art realm is insane. (By the way, traditional illustrators will ship their physical paintings, they do not send photos as the client usually pays for the 'original artwork'. Do a search for someone like James Gurney and how he works when he makes paintings for magazines like National Geographic etc.).

@agassireyes8293

3 жыл бұрын

Peter Anton yeah I just need to be good enough of an artist so I can make it. Thank you for the advice

@agassireyes8293

3 жыл бұрын

PHeMoX yeah you're right I was just bitter cause it's surprisingly harder for traditional artist to compete with digital artist. Most costumers that I see are just looking to hire someone for their anime avatar. But it's not like I'm giving up on being an artist or anything. Thank you

@lovehandle3454

3 жыл бұрын

Omg I have this same problem. I’m 18 and I plan on making a career as a traditional artist. But I’m scared that traditional art is “out of style” and that I should move with the trends. if you don’t move with the times soon your skills wont needed and it will be hard for me to find work. Everyone and they momma doing digital art and now a days people don’t want to buy or are looking for traditional art. And I’m also talking about the job industry as well everything is digital. I do love digital but traditional has my heart, I feel closer to my work and physical seeing the medium and the paper. Nothing beats traditional art in my opinion. KZread like Matthew Sorgie give me hope, though he uses a mix of traditional and digital I would mainly consider him traditional.

I love how Cesar is one the best classicaly trained painters today but also has that artistic and contemporary view of the world. A great mix that shows a link between these "old" and new worlds.

Please open your own art school your the best teacher I know! :)

@rgroundwalker

3 жыл бұрын

Yes please!! Saludos desde México!

@deborahbarnes8475

3 жыл бұрын

Yes

@deborahbarnes8475

3 жыл бұрын

In a way, I think he is teaching us. But yes, I agree., school please!!!

@giovannisiano574

3 жыл бұрын

Good idea!

@itsunclemonty5206

2 жыл бұрын

I'd happily help him fund it, if he started one in Florence.

“Don’t wait for the school to make you an artist!” Done! Great advice for me at the end of your post Cesar! Thank you so much, this is what I needed to hear at this moment of my beginning career as a professional artist ( I started by being self taught) after leaving my career as engineer (13 years working for a company)

Great timing! I just decided to dropout of school and start my own art shop, gallery and studio! I was not really getting much about my school because I learn better in self teaching. Such an inspiration.

University arts professor: You have to find your own voiceee. Experiment!! EXPRESS YOURSELF!! Teenager student: ok bro but I dont know who I am. I am teenager. I just finished the school.

@peterjacksonanton4814

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed. Just teach me how to draw and show me the great artists I should be looking at. I went through 4 years as a Studio Art major without being told about Alphonse Mucha, Heinrich Kley, NC Wyeth, Bernie Wrightson...had to seek that out for myself in post grad

@PHeMoX

3 жыл бұрын

It gets worse. The university art professor will often also demand a portfolio 'showing your creativity' etc. A lot of these schools are much less about the true expression of self as you'd think. And most definitely do not teach you how to draw.

@chipchip....

3 жыл бұрын

They're just too lazy to teach the students and tell them to learn it themselves

You missed: "let's rap this video up" !!)****

@fgrilli

3 жыл бұрын

“School is a tool, don’t let you be fooled - learn that rule, break that rule, if you want to be an artist in full.”

This is by far one of your best videos. You survived the gauntlet of formal education and won. Thank you for sharing your pathway to a lifetime of education.

I studied for my art degree in the mid to late eighties. I now work on websites. If you want to paint, draw, sculpt do not waste your time with a college or university. There are so many options now that didn’t exist then. Also, if you try to paint or draw representational art, the teachers will beat it out of you.

Omg i had been pondering over that decision forever~~

Cesar I am so grateful to be able to view your videos! You have so much knowledge and insight that has trul y helped me with my journey to becoming a better Artist. God Bless you and please keep sharing your incredible gift and talent.

Thank you for your advice. Your work as an artist and as mentor is amazing for everyone, espacially for young artists.

Engaging conversation! I love the way you shot this video, it was really fun and interesting to watch!

I love this video, so much value here; thank-you for sharing your thoughts on this, Cesar.

Thank you Cesar for talking about being the material and that life is the ultimate teacher! Fantastic video and so many gold nuggets! Thank you for being awesome!

Hey Cesar! Love the videos! Thanks for sharing!

Thank you for sharing this!

These two guys each make good points. I think the guy with the beard had the better argument though

@eileenjohnston6835

3 жыл бұрын

Very cute! Sitting here laughing! :)

Men and Women have Dreams within them - Dreams casting Golden-Light upon our Souls by its fire - Dreams casting Burning-Heat upon our souls by its fire. I think we live in an interesting time, there is the beauty of the sunlight shown by the dots of Monet. We also have the exquisite technique of Gerome. I think this idea of Impressionism and Academic painting are looking to us to unify them. I think the ways of conceptual and academic art are like the quantum theory and classical theory of physics, it needs us to respect the value of each discipline and find a harmony which is fit for expressing our perception and our dreams. One more thing. The bit about making the cup empty. It makes me think you might like the book: Zen, Beginner's Mind by Shunryu Suzuki. Here is a piece of a poem found in the book: "... walking with you in Buddha's gentle rain - our robes are soaked though - but on the lotus leaf - not a drop remains." Thanks for making a video , always interesting.

I really enjoyed this well constructed video with two viewpoints. Good video Cesar and Valentina!

This was great. Thank you!

Your videos are inspirational. Thank you

Your spot on in your explanation of the 2 extremes . And i find i often fight both yer need both and find something in the middle. But as an artist i always have to need to do as i want but i use a little from both. Its not easy.

Have only experienced the university style so far, hoping to try the atelier method as well.

Pedazo de video. No sabia cual era la formación q mas se adaptaba a mis carácteres, pero gracias a este video lose. Tendré q ahorra un montón y vender un riñón, por q el precio de los atelier, es... bueno poco no es, pero bueno. Saludos desde las tierras castellanas vallisoletanas.

Nice beard my man👍

Artists are different than other people Schools want you to be what school want Learn from school but dont be a slave of it

@PHeMoX

3 жыл бұрын

Unfortunately, most schools fail at teaching or focus on teaching the wrong things. I went to university and got a degree (not in art), however throughout all the time there it was never about encouraging critical thinking or researching facts. It was always about trying to fit within the mould and following their 'rules'. Heck, most of the time research wasn't even really about following the scientific method and finding some valid truth, but more so about quoting whichever scientist got a stamp of approval for whatever theory they promote already. It's actually pretty dumb stuff. If you have the chance, I'd suggest going the route of self-taught artist. I did so too and whilst painting for me is just a hobby, I couldn't possibly see myself justify spending huge amounts of money on art schools. In fact, isn't it funny when those art colleges tend to have you submit portfolios for admission, when they are supposed to 'give you tools' to become a more creative artist?? I always found that curious. It seems very backwards.

I cannot agree more! The rules are incredibly restrictive, you must paint more loosely, you must do this method, you must do that method. Beyond the rules for making a piece of work that will stand the test of time is what I mean.

Cesar , this is the best synthesis of the two different schools ideologies! I salute you for this it moved something inside of me and helped me articulate in the future to others to better understand us. Thank you 🙏🏻

Love from ireland cesar.....God be with you

@Rayan-qk2xw

3 жыл бұрын

made it at 10 veiws and i meet a fellow irishman nice

@immanuelgodson7156

3 жыл бұрын

@@Rayan-qk2xw ...are you muslim?

I went to a traditional private art college. And for the life of me, I could not figure out why I felt like I didn’t belong. I felt like all my peers were good but not technically good. (And I’m not saying I am a superior). I liked the idea of being surrounded by creative and expressive people. But I knew if I wanted to keep myself motivated through schooling, I needed to be somewhere where I felt technically challenged...by those in my class. Later on I found out about these schools. And now I just wish I would have saved my time and money.

Thanks Cesar

Great advice!

as an art student, i totally agree with everything you said 100 percent mate! PROBABLY THE BEST ART TEACHER IN KZread

❤

learning and let go ,packing your suitcase to go on a journey and loose everything along the way and come to the conclusion you don't need al that stuf to make art. keep on painting greetz, Henk

Cesar I totally agree with the part where you said they don't teach you the skills of reinsurance would really love to go to the Angel Academy for painters it looks amazing in your other videos. I have done the BVA here in australia

I went to a place called Art Center College of design in Pasadena which is based on the German Bauhaus design school so I also went to the Schuler School of Art in Baltimore Maryland

I might be a fool. I'm learning as I go, piece by piece on my own.

@santocesart

3 жыл бұрын

I think that's how we all do it. Even in school is piece by piece on our own.

@Silvianamo

3 жыл бұрын

@@santocesart thank you 🙏🏻 I'm great admirer of your work, from Italy.

You’re the best

Hi Cesar Santos, please advise on a good book to learn painting techniques from?

Right sir 🙏🙏🙏😊😊😊😊❤❤

finding and establishing "technique" the artist can express oneself :)

Pero yo quiero ir a la academia rusa en Firenze me gusta la disciplina Rusa buen video Bro saludos desde Firenze 🇨🇺

Hey cesar what do you think whats the best academy in florence for one to study his craft and skill seriosly

@ChrissieNicely

3 жыл бұрын

Cesar has made an in-depth video about that. He also mentions it in this video: the Angel Academy of Arts.

❤️😍

Cesar, do you have any thoughts on online platforms such as new masters of academy (nma.art)

@peterjacksonanton4814

3 жыл бұрын

I dunno what he'll say, but New Masters has been great for me this past year, as has CGMA. I think you really need to find an ongoing mentor in addition to that, so they can critique your work.

does anyone know the exact of "Temperone" recipe from kremer pigmentes?(venetian medium)

I always had a passion for the technical aspect of art so I think I'll go with an Atelier

So true about using your creativity even while in school. I studied at a few ateliers and I've worked with other atelier graduates. I remember one guy who showed in some pretty big galleries that represented a lot of atelier folk, a name that many here will probably have heard of, and I remember talking to him about the lack of creativity coming out of ateliers. He said that you should first concentrate on only technical skills and then only open up to being more creative after being fully trained. Yet he still saw himself in the technical skill building stage, even though he had graduated from the atelier 15 years prior and was in his 40s, showed in some very good galleries, and had quite a high level of technical skill. But he was still doing nothing but still life and figure studies (from life only, of course) with blank backgrounds.

@santocesart

3 жыл бұрын

Lol

word

Sería interesante escuchar esta plática en Español Cesar

@juanmayorga1614

3 жыл бұрын

Ponte subtitulos

@juanmayorga1614

3 жыл бұрын

Aunq salga en ingles puedes ir leyéndolo

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I am very intuitive and multiple Faso technical in my own experience. I can copy anything you do or anything else. I hold myself accountable so I don't sell anything else but my own. It all started with shadows. My school is shaped with days and years and remembering the shadow as it passes differently from day to day and so on. Painting the same thing for 10 years really shouldn't show that much difference. It shows feeling, like that as a smile grows to a frown and it's the same subject same point. The face will change?

Some Art Schools that respect by academic process are in right way ! some others don`t !

Sadhguru in his latest book wrote:"Conceptual knowledge is the way of the academic. Perceptual knowing is the way of the yogi." I think that we need both sides. Because if you don't have an academic strength, you cannot fly using only the perception as a vehicle for your artworks. The more important question is how to properly develop the artistic perception!!! So far both sides-univercities and ateliers-don't have any system of developing artistic perception. What they do just fallow very old system of boring copying, installing in you somebody else's perception!! So here you go....

If you could live with your art...express yourself...sell it for a good price..it should be the best way to live. But,without school,no legitimacy...no reputation..no relation..publicity..it’s probably harder if you are alone..shy..without real talent. If you could have few commands,like copies of modern paintings,portrait of a love one,just enough to pay your own material it’s already great,savour it.

You are so right Cesar, schools do not teach you this .

Cesar talking about Art school - me sobbing in asian, being an artist is not yet considered as a practical job. 🥲

@jivka6518

3 жыл бұрын

Hey Asian -me also Asian and stop feeling sorry for your shelf as Asian I’ve fought for half my life to be and do art never stop if you love Art - no one can take that from you....it’s up to you and as some intelligent soul once said "it’s your journey that counts not weather you reached the destination "even if you reacheD your destination you will look back at the struggle and make your stories for the lives that will cross your journey. So enjoy the struggle and no it’s not easy I know it better then you can imagine so - sobbing Asian....start your journey don’t stop and enjoy

I went to neither. Couldn't afford one and didn't get into the others ! Yet ! I'm a natural. Very skilled and have realised , very late in life , that I didn't NEED guidance to find my own way. But I WOULD of been taken down a narrow road if I'd been accepted or paid for a more structured regime. " Kayll's Paintings" on KZread, if you wanna check. Hwyl Cesar from Cymru ( Wales)

It seems that what the atelier does is precisely everything that modern art rejected at the turn of the twentieth century. After that, there was a torrent of movements and and an explosion of expression comparable only to the Renaissance. The impetus of Modernism is felt to the present day.

Art schools are useful because you can create a network of people more easily.

Ur right I don’t need to follow a school of thought

@peterjacksonanton4814

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, take what's useful from each school and dump the rest

Harás algún video en español alguna vez. No creo que afecte tu carrera.

@santocesart

3 жыл бұрын

Si tengo 4 en KZread (cesar santos en español) y es verdad no afecto mi carrera!!

Please open your own school so I can go take a workshop in Florence when I go to Europe for the Summer.

I want to attend Florence Academy of Art but i'm worried about committing financial suicide

I attended an atelier for 18 months. HORRIBLE experience! I feel like I escaped a cult. I made no progress at all. ( Really.) I found a well respected realist artist in my city. He was a winner of a Grand Prize at the Portrait Society of America. He encouraged me to enrolled in our local community college. He thoughtfully evaluated the assignments I was assigned at the college. My skills took off like a rocket.

@becky8030

3 жыл бұрын

Could you tell us more about your experience?? By escaping a " cult" what do you mean? Is it because everyone is obsessed with classical realism and nothing else??

@eileenjohnston6835

3 жыл бұрын

@@becky8030 1) I was NOT taught the basic skills I needed for drawing. I KNOW this because I was **finally** taught those skills by my second teacher (a Grand Prize winner at the Portrait Society of America) and the professors at the community college. 2) This atelier was like a religious cult in that **his** school was the **only** path to artistic nirvana. If you left the "One and Only True School of Art" you would be condemned to the world of artistic outer darkness. 3) I wasted thousands of dollars and 18 months of my life trying to achieve a goal without being introduced to the skills I needed to achieve them. The worst part was the gaslighting. I was made to feel that it was my fault for not being able to master drawing. 4) VERY BAD EXPERIENCE! Once I escaped the cult my realism skills took off like a rocket and at a fraction of the cost. 5) All of my professors at the community college and my new teacher ( an award winning realist painter himself) were **very** supportive my goal of becoming a realist painter. One professor even arranged for me to take several independent study course specifically designed to strengthen the skills needed for realist painting. 6) Suggestion: If you are considering an atelier, be sure to talk to the students who dropped out of the program.

@mrbadboy911

Жыл бұрын

@@eileenjohnston6835 may I know the name of the school so I can avoid it?

@eileenjohnston6835

Жыл бұрын

@@mrbadboy911 I hesitate to give the name of Atelier but my teacher and wonderful mentor is Bryce Billings. Mr. Billings together with the teachers at the Salt Lake Community College ( especial Rob Adamson and Rick Graham) were excellent teachers and very supportive. Mr. Billings won the 2014 Grand Prize of the Portrait Society of America.

One says, "You have a duty to challenge the paradigm!". The other says, " You have a duty to preserve the past!" Artists, dont like "duty".

Colleges are shite anyway. Atteliers are TOO expensive. Use KZread. Its cheaper and you can study at home.