This dude is absolutely killing it. Every day I wake up in the UK I have a new vid to watch on the way to work. I was debating which of these shoes to get for the London Marathon. Vaporfly and alphafly sold out as soon as they came out on sale! Big up yourself

Although I completely agree that functionally the Pro 4 trumps the Speed 4 in seemingly every possible way (maybe not for the daily trainer case, but I'd say the Speed 3 takes the cake there anyway), something to factor in as well is durability. I don't have the 4's, but I do run in both the Pro 3 and the Speed 3. After 200 km in the Pro 3, I started bursting through the upper. The Speed 3 however is close to 700 km and doesn't have any signs of upper wear at all... Generally speaking I think in most cases race shoes outperform training shoes for speedy runs (it's what they're build for: uncompromising performance), but their more training oriented counterparts are designed to last longer and withstand the training miles. Tangent: I think there's definitely something to say for training in shoes that mimic their racing counterparts, but don't offer exactly the same performance. As long as you can get in the same training stimulus and get the extra performance benefit of the racing shoe on race day, I consider that a win!

The only shoe series out of the brand Saucony I ran with is the Triumph 20 and I collected over 900 k over one year 🔥👌

Ran my first half marathon this weekend in the endorphin speed four and felt absolutely fine 5 foot 195 pounds 1:44

@supwell

3 ай бұрын

Congrats on your first half! 💪🏽 that's awesome

No one has ever mentioned the heel hanging off before. That's the reason I got rid if my pro 3 for the marathon and switched to the adidas adios pro 3. No issues with my speed 4 though, love them!

Thanks for the comparison. I currently have both the Pro and Speed 3. I definitely plan on getting the Pro 4 later this year... there are some great colorways! My favorite so far is the black/Vizired- the red midsole/outsole is absolutely 🌶🌶🌶

I start my day with your videos! Thank so much for putting out daily content. I really appreciate it.

@supwell

3 ай бұрын

💪🏽 that's awesome! btw can confirm TYR speedworks coming this week or early next 🤫

@tuckertech

3 ай бұрын

@@supwellnice!

I tried the Speed 4 and quickly sent it back and bought another Speed 3 on sale. Just a more enjoyable and versatile shoe for me.

@liljfunk21

17 күн бұрын

Did you send the speed 4 back because the speed 3 was on sale ?

@elliotendures

16 күн бұрын

@@liljfunk21 No, the Speed 3 was on sale before the Speed 4 came out. After trying the Speed 4, I preferred the Speed 3 by a lot and so grabbed another and sent back the Speed 4 because I didn’t enjoy it.

I've been running in the pro 4 for a few weeks now. I really like it for speed work where I am landing mid foot. When I slow down and land on my heels it feels harsh to me. It feels like the carbon plate is just below the sockliner at the heel. I wish there was a bit more cushion in the heel before the plate

Going to pair the Pro with the Ride 16 - feel like they are related and will complement each other nicely.

The narrow heel on the pro4 is definitely an annoying quirk. The speed 4 is too low volume for me, I replaced the foam insole with a much thinner insole. Also made the shoe a little more connected with the ground and actually a better experience. Still have to put some km on the Boston 12 but feels great so far.

I did my first solo 1/2 marathon in the Deviate Nitro 2 and I agree that I'd have liked a little more protection under foot. Also, I'm trying to remind myself to do most of my miles easy as I try to increase weekly mileage a little.

@supwell

3 ай бұрын

Love it 💪🏽

Speed 3 is my favorite daily shoe right now. I’m slow af but it handles all paces super well. Agree it’s not the best long run show, especially for someone my size at 6’4” 210lbs haha

I tried the speed 4 on in the store and ran a bit in it in the store. It felt like a more cushion speed 3 to me and so from that I liked it. I have not tried the pro 4. Just ran a half yesterday in the pro 3.I really love the pro 3 at least for the half distance. Thinking as I train for a full I need something softer than the pro 3 as I’m going to be running for 5 hours and need something to feel good at hour 5. Have a lot of time to decide so always appreciate your input.

@supwell

3 ай бұрын

Pro 4 is a touch softer than pro 3 so would be a good choice. Or if you really want to damage your wallet the Diadora Gara 😂

@davidg9120

3 ай бұрын

@@supwell so few reviews on the diadora gara. I’d love to see some comparison on the diadora gara to the cielo x1, pro 3, pro 4 , TYR Valkyrie, The new Paris shoes and the 1080 v13. all of these seem like good bouncy shoes but how they relate to each other isnt clear to me.

Speed 4s are disappointing. Clunky is the right word. I actually have more bounce in my step wearing the 1080s and way more comfortable. I have a hard time picking up the pace in the Speeds.

I agree that the Speed 4 may not be for everyone. What I've noticed about it is that it comes alive if you run at a harder effort/faster pace, but it's rather clunky and awkward at slower/easier paces. It also just feels really firm at those slower paces when compared to the Speed 3s which I felt you could throw everything at. Also, it's nice to hear that the Pro 4s are better in the rain now. I ran a full in the Pro 3s and they were horrible in the rain - slippery and collected water to the point where they felt like bricks.

Good comparison! Will you be getting the TYR SpeedWorks?

@supwell

3 ай бұрын

just got confirmation it's in the mail on the way here! 💪🏽🤫

For my long slow runs I've been choosing the nb elite v4 instead of the Pro 4 because I find the heel so much softer. For someone who only runs 35-40 miles a week do you see a problem of doing all miles is a carbon plated shoe? Can you share your thoughts on this?

@olli-perttikojo4424

3 ай бұрын

Well ppl. have been blaming plated shoes for foot issues but evidence does not support any problems really. I am in a quite similar situation as u, and would say, I´m also propably better off using mostly super shoes, because my legs feel great after runs. Yes they say some muscles get lazy in them. I try to do some slow runs in firmer, non plated shoes.

Tried the Boston 12 while it felt good I had to return it, it kept causing me sharp pain in the bottom of my foot that I never felt with the Speed 2's which sucked cuz the B12's felt good for me but the pain was enough to make me return it despite only wearing it once a week. So once my Speed 2's die I'm going back to the drawing board to find another plated training shoe.

@supwell

3 ай бұрын

Dang sorry to hear that! I'm testing the TYR Valkyrie speedworks soon which looks like a strong contender in the plated training space - also designed to have wider toebox/more comfortable fit

@elliottmondry1753

3 ай бұрын

I'll see if I can't check it out!@@supwell

If you had a pair of Saucony Pro 3 and Pro 4 both brand new, which pair would you pick to race a HM

@supwell

3 ай бұрын

Right now I'd pick the pro 3 since it's felt firmer and faster. So far pro 4 has felt more relaxed but I want to do some more fast workouts in it to see how it responds with long sets at half marathon pace or faster

After racing 2 5ks last weekend in the NB elite V2 and the hoka rocket x2, I realized how much NB lost by "upgrading" their shoes every year..the Saucony endorphin pro4 is a good replacement for NB elite V2..it's quite odd cos the Saucony endorphin pro3 sucked..seems like every year is like an Easter egg hunt to find which shoes work for each of us..I have ZERO brand loyalty for that exact reason..

what do you think of adidas boston 12 vs takumi sen 10 (purpose & review)

@supwell

3 ай бұрын

I prefer Boston 12 - much more versatile and can handle any workout I'd do in the Takumi Sen. The Takumi Sen is lighter and for shorter distance and Boston 12 is designed for long distance runnign, but it's performed great for me for short and fast workouts

@michaelcostello8529

3 ай бұрын

@@supwell thanks so much! respect for actually responding

👍

Speed 4 or pro 4 is more stable shoe?

@supwell

3 ай бұрын

Speed 4 has a bit wider heel and felt more stable when standing, but I didn't have any stability issues with either. The heel of the pro 4 is a little bit of an odd fit though. If you need more stability the TYR Valkyrie elite racing shoe is a good option that has a similar feel to the endorphin pro

WOW prolific is an understatement for this guy😂

@craigtsmith6957

3 ай бұрын

Ha Ha unbelievable trains 100 miles a week plus is new dad has a full time job. Turns out content like a high speed production line.......and seems to have a happy wife 😅

If Saucony literally put 1 inch of HG foam in the heel I think I may be done with this brand lol. especially when they claim “top layer HG”. That’s bushleague.

Plates do not return energy. That’s a common misconception. See Doctor of Running’s community post from two days ago

@OmniZen8118

3 ай бұрын

According to science, if they put springs inside it will return energy. But if plates give you the bounce sensation, will you say it's just a fake sensory illusion and ignore it? Having invested in these expensive plated shoes, are you lying to yourself that you are experiencing the bouncing sensation with each step? In the end, what you experience out of plated shoes is what really matters, not what science, Doctor of Running's or anyone else say. If you felt no pop or bounce at all, you are also correct, as body weight has an impact on the plates. You alone are the best judge to determine whether plated shoes work for you or not, it's all a personal experience.

@RunnerdJK

3 ай бұрын

@@OmniZen8118 The foam, not the plate, provides the energy return. The plate stabilizes the platform and directs the energy forward.

What would you choose - them or adidas adios pro 3?

@supwell

3 ай бұрын

pro 4 if you want comfort and the adidas if you want a more aggressive feel. the adidas is more known for durability as well but i think the pro 4 will be pretty durable based on my experience with the pro 3 and the additional rubber they've added