Thank you so much for this wonderful presentation. While it's sad but unsurprising commentary on the internets and the prevalence of science denial in our public discourse that such defense is necessary at all, it's enormously gratifying to see the work of my grandparents (yep, that's my mother at 16:03) defended in such an impeccably sourced and documented style. Also very pleased to see mention of Henry Blackburn and Jerry Stamler for their crucial and ongoing contributions. A minor nitpick, Eat Well and Stay Well was published in 1959, but the entirely new Eat Well and Stay Well the Mediterranean Way was published in 1975. Also, and this is my personal crusade, the title specifically says "Way", not "Diet". To the best of my recollection, neither book was intended as a big-D diet cookbook, and Margaret and Ancel address the term diet on page 42 of the Mediterranean Way. It is my feeling that the term Mediterranean Diet was coined later by various economically interested parties, such as the olive oil industry, Italian tourism, Diet book publishers, etc.

@PlantChompers

2 жыл бұрын

How wonderful to hear from you! I pinned your comment. Henry was very helpful when I was making this because I had three questions a day, like "what German paper is Nina talking about?" I just interviewed Pekka Puska and will publish it in a day or two. He said the thing about the Keys is they had pretty much unraveled the cause of heart disease by 1972 and despite every new fad diet that has come along in the past half century, the work of the Keys has stood the test of time and emerged as the best science we have. I didn't know that about the Mediterranean Way versus Diet! I had heard Henry make mention of it in a speech he gave, but it didn't click with me at the time, so thank you for making that clear.

@40ftinc.42

2 жыл бұрын

@@PlantChompers Henry Blackburn was kind enough to share this video, which we all are enjoying. I must emphasize that while I have a decent science education via Geology at the University of Minnesota, I am not a nutritionist nor have I taken the time to delve into the literature surrounding this "controversy". To that end, thank you for the bibliography, it will make a nice start. I am, however, a 40 year restaurant professional and dedicated home gardener (another legacy from the Keys, who maintained extensive gardens and orchards at their home in southern Italy), and a joyous omnivore who has applied the lessons from the family all my life. Although proponents of the Mediterranean Diet such as Elisabetta Moro at the University of Naples emphasize that it is a lifestyle (and even a cultural heritage), to me the capitalized Diet screams, as you say, "fad", and perhaps leads some to the more rigid application of "If I eat the menu from page 132 on Tuesdays, everything will be hunky dory."

@jehoover3009

2 жыл бұрын

I don’t think you have countered all the points see kzread.info/dash/bejne/nK2uzdhupamtpJs.html

@robertadams2857

2 жыл бұрын

I prefer to call it questioning everything. I don’t do: just because it’s science. Once dug into deeply lines are more blurry in everything.

@jehoover3009

2 жыл бұрын

@@robertadams2857 Agreed . However it is true that the trials that were conducted had inconvenient results snd were hidden for decades.see Prof Noaks’ lecture

France had the highest intake of saturated fat, yet the lowest heart disease. Thanks to Ancel Keys they replaced butter with saturated fat margarine. I'll stick with mainly carnivore thanks.

@PlantChompers

10 ай бұрын

Actually, the north of France has higher meat & dairy consumption than the Mediterranean south and has 4 times higher deaths from heart attacks and 5 years lower life expectancy. I made a short episode about Keys: kzread.info/dash/bejne/pn6Do5mnn7Lecso.html

@dekyor9547

2 ай бұрын

Why do you try to make arguments for an undefendable thing? What's the point

@paulmaxwell8851

Ай бұрын

@@PlantChompers Precisely. "France' is too large and too varied to be studied as a whole. The north and south are very, very different.

@mcanqb

20 күн бұрын

Dunning-Kruger we are laughing at you. Do you think your first stroke will be ischemic or hemorrhagic?

@tamashumi7961

5 күн бұрын

​@@PlantChompersyou know what other difference is between North and South? Sun exposure. Not enough of it may have such an impact too.

Also the netherlands were chosen specifically because of the apparent paradox of eating too much animal fat and relatively low heart disease ... Ancel Keys was specifically testing against his own hypothesis!!!! So much for cherry picking

@PlantChompers

2 жыл бұрын

That's exactly right. Henry Blackburn was exceptionally helpful with my fact checking - I emailed him several times a day - and he said what they were looking for was areas that didn't fit the hypothesis and showed a broad spread of outcomes.

@teixneves2365

2 жыл бұрын

one of the countries. with. the most knee. replacements !!

@Minas-Morgul

2 жыл бұрын

​@@teixneves2365 That might have a correlation with the fact that people from The Netherlands on average are the tallest in the world!

@sandrawiersma2512

2 жыл бұрын

@@teixneves2365 Also, we allow these surgeries at a relatively high age. In many places, if you're only going to use that knee for another ten years, they won't give you one. People also tend to stay very active in the Netherlands, with old folks often cycling until they're well into their seventies. If your knee craps up when you're only sedentary, it's not that much of a bother compared to when you're used to take the bicycle to get around town.

@doddsalfa

4 ай бұрын

@@Minas-Morgulbecause no one eat more dairy aka insulin like growth hormones

26:40 Lol he sounds like a nutritional Noam Chomsky. Awesome video as always, really appreciate the depth and that you steelman arguments, not strawman :)

@senseofwonder4734

2 жыл бұрын

Ha! "Nutritional Noam Chomsky" love it

Always a treat to get a notification for a new video from you.

what a great episode, thank you Chris! I love it when your family collaborates in the videos. Cool!

Your videos are so informative and entertaining. I don’t know how you don’t have way more subs!

Thank you Chris. I learn so much from your presentations! I am 72 and whole foods plant based for 45 years, with a bit of marginal exception when traveling in foreign countries (like milk in our chai when buying from street vendors in India). My wife and I just hiked 8.4 miles yesterday with an 1850 foot elevation gain. After getting home we cooked a great meal and then cleaned up the kitchen. Lots of energy. But bed did feel great! Life is good. We are both in excellent health, love our WFPB meals, and also feel the mental and emotional clarity and joy that come from a natural way of life. People like you are inspirational to us and many others who are finding a healthy lifestyle in this crazy world. Much gratitude.

@PlantChompers

15 күн бұрын

45 years! 🎉👏💪

@markjohnson543

14 күн бұрын

@@PlantChompers Yes. Actually a bit more than 45 years. I grew up in the 50s and 60s eating what my my family was eating. I first switched to plant based when living in Japan in the early 1970s, and learned to cook brown rice, and eat tofu and seaweed (still love it!). But in my transitional years I sometimes ate some meat or fish in restaurants, so I didn't count all those years. By the late 1970s I was pretty much full on WFPB. In many ways I feel more fit than some decades ago. Of course, the yoga, qigong and meditation all help. Plus doing our own organic gardening. I want to add that it is really helpful to understand the pivotal research done by Ancel Keys, a truly great man and scientist. Your presentations have really illumined his work for me, of which I was only vaguely aware. We can easily fall prey to the idea that older research is somehow outdated or even invalid. You have helped me to understand how research done on populations of people who were still adhering to their traditional diets is so valuable. There were a few decades of window of opportunity for such research, and Ancel Keys took advantage of that favorable time. And now I understand much better why Ancel Keys is such a target for champions of the Standard American Diet. Aringatoo gozaimasu.

I am beyond impressed at your diligence at checking sources.

@HillbillyYEEHAA

5 ай бұрын

You will not find a study bigger and better than the Ancel key's one. He hid that data. He's a liar

I'm kinda mad, your videos are so good, yet have too little attention, this is high quality content.

@lizzzarduh

2 жыл бұрын

Share share share!

@weston.weston

2 жыл бұрын

@ Konstantin Anderson: I say the same thing! I try to think of ways to share it with more people. He should have a million or more subscribers.

@Vscustomprinting

2 жыл бұрын

You'd be a fool to think everyone doesn't know this stuff already... This is a rehashing of what got us to where we are today.. Look around you, power and money have won. Knowledge and integrity have been defeated. We all feel like it's new information once we stumble upon it, but the point is that we all don't want to be at the bottom of the social ladder, regardless of the fact that we actively causing unnecessary inequality ... People don't want to feel bad about being at the top of the social ladder... Most everything is delusional lies that they reverberate back in forth inside their class and country wide echo chambers.

@Vscustomprinting

2 жыл бұрын

@@lizzzarduh it's just morbid entertainment... Most people know this stuff and just gloss over it.. It's like showing a cigarette smoker a picture of smoking related lung cancer.. It's a good way to get someone to spit in your face.

@emmanuelmalenfant6275

2 жыл бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/mH55qsuKe9TMirA.html

Thank you for your honesty in revealing the scammers out there. I always ask the question who’s paying for this and who is collecting the money. Back in the days I used to think science always pointed to the truth, but now we know how fake artists have a whole other agenda. You get a gold star for this insightful review of the actual findings about nutrition and health. ❤

Why did Eisenhower have a heart attack? 2 packs a day, not saturated fat.

@swiftxrapid919

10 күн бұрын

Saturated fat makes the hearts job harder because the increased thickness of blood and plaque in arteries.

The "True Health Initiative" wrote a long white paper on the Seven Countries Study called „Ancel Keys and the Seven Countries Study: An Evidence-based Response to Revisionist Histories“. That's worth checking out, I think.

@PlantChompers

2 жыл бұрын

Yes! Katherine Pett, along with Walter Willet, Joel Kahn, David Katz... It's excellent. I put a link in the description: www.truehealthinitiative.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/SCS-White-Paper.THI_.8-1-17.pdf

@WWK-f4t

2 жыл бұрын

@@PlantChompers oh, I didn’t see it/find it in the description.

@WWK-f4t

2 жыл бұрын

@@PlantChompers that’s the one!

She's not a scientist but knows more about the Mediterranean Diet than anyone on the planet? Wow! The hubris is stunning.

@alxdava2004

Жыл бұрын

Mediterranean diet is based on fat: cheese, meat, eggs, fish. Anything else is a filler. Grains and plants were the diet of slaves.

@vince7349

Жыл бұрын

Just because someone is a scientist dosent make them right. There are too many exemples of very bright phds whos théories never materielize.

@tyscam

Жыл бұрын

​@@vince7349 You mean their hypotheses were wrong? That's how science works, it's a process.

@ramspeedmusic

Жыл бұрын

Sweep the hubris off your brain fog. So she’s not capable of spending 10 years compiling loads of research and knowledge on the subject matter? Oh and the doctors that go to med school are not beholden to “ethics” granted by our super trusted(In US) medical associations? And the whole entire week they spend on nutrition in college? Baseless argument. What a joke… How is Nina not capable of doing an investigation on the matter and reporting on it? She’s certainly an expert on investigating lies and the Ancil Keyes lie is huge and has killed a lot of people. She has exposed the countless amounts of bias and scientists who we’re supposed to do science in good faith but we’re corrupt individuals.

@myopenmind527

Жыл бұрын

The 2016 paper "Re-evaluation of the traditional diet-heart hypothesis: analysis of recovered data from Minnesota Coronary Experiment" concludes: Results - The intervention group had significant reduction in serum cholesterol compared with controls (mean change from baseline −13.8% v −1.0%; P

It's been a long time since I've felt impressed by the...academic rigor? of a youtube video. I can only hope to one day have that level of education and confidence.

Just discover this channel. Love the down home family interaction! And of course the careful thinking and evaluation of evidence.

I am speechless how high quality your videos are. This is textbook definition of criminally underrated.

Bipolar sufferer here. Carnivore diet has completely changed my life. Apart from losing weight gaining muscle, sleeping better exercising more, most of my bipolar issues are improved. I'm less anxious, my manic phases are gone. I'm going to stick to quality of life over science if that's OK.

@lmdeboom

16 күн бұрын

Is it because you are eating less processed food? How long would that last? Give us an update.

As a life long catholic I’d like to point out another error in Nina’s presentation. We don’t give up all animal products. She is wrong. Fish and dairy are absolutely allowed. This person is a bad actor and I don’t understand how she can be okay with herself.

Ancel Keys was shilling for Big Broccoli.

Wow, wow, wow! I'm putting time aside to watch your videos, because each one is a documentary. Thank you for producing this content. My husband and I began our plant based journey in 2016, we've each had conditions clear up, take no medication in our 50's and have lost weight and continue to lose as we get older. Please continue to make more videos, I'll watch them all!

@PlantChompers

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you, Susan. 😁 It does me so much good to see people regain their health by eating a whole plant centered diet.

It sounds like Nina really is a beef industry lobbyist.

@WWK-f4t

2 жыл бұрын

@@ImprovingAbility I found one, that says: „Low- to very-low-certainty evidence suggests that diets restricted in red meat may have little or no effect on major cardiometabolic outcomes and cancer mortality and incidence.“ - „Effect of lower versus higher red meat intake on cardiometabolic and cancer outcomes: a systematic review of randomized trials“ - from 2019. 😂

@jmc8076

2 жыл бұрын

And big pharma since most on SAD or meat based diet end up on drugs and other medical treatments.

@boroskiwi1143

2 жыл бұрын

@@jmc8076 Almost no one alive today is eating a meat based diet... That alone should tell you all you need to know. Having some meat in a diet doesn't make it meat based.... People eat a plant based diet with some meat. It's plant based as almost all junk and processed foods come from plants and plants sources are where most people get the bulk of their calories.

@demoskunk

2 жыл бұрын

@@boroskiwi1143 Correct. And US red meat consumption is down 30% since 1970, while our obesity, diabetes, and heart attack rates have skyrocketed since then.

@boroskiwi1143

2 жыл бұрын

@@demoskunk exactly, saturated fat consumption has dropped way more yet its also a bad guy somehow lol.

I am really grateful for this excellent video. I could not believe Nina Teicholz's views when I saw her first video due to what seems to be a complete lack of journalistic professionalism and efforts to spread nutritional claims that lack solid scientific support. But perhaps she is paid well for her unsubstantiated claims. I really take exception also to her criticism of Ancel Keys. I am fortunate that my grandmother had his book--Eat Well and Stay Well--that at least made me think about healthful eating as a college kid. I think my grandmother understood nutrition far better than Ms. Teicholz does. Please keep these outstanding video coming, Mr. MacAskill! And thank you for your empathy toward those with mental illness, like your mother. Where does the U.S. rank in mental healthcare, I wonder?

your videos always get me going out to buy new books! thanks for always being so informative and fun to watch. my bank account hates it, but my brain appreciates it

That 1063 (60-year old) study... I've never heard of a hog farmer feeding his pigs egg yolk. 50% corn, the balance of a mic of barley, wheat, and sorghum is typical.

I LOVE your channel. I find myself looking forward to your videos not to mention how much I’m learning! Thank you so much for all your hard work. Your family is super cute too!!

I've been enjoying all of your videos since I found your channel yesterday! Thank you for all of this hard work

Sometimes I just like to rewatch all your videos, you’re the most entertaining person I know on KZread, at least the only one who can make me watch his videos multiple times.

Found your channel some days ago and I have to say I love your style. Rigorous science with a dash of humor.

My cholesterol is excellent because of my low carb diet. Mrs. Teicholz looks at the science

HAH "How did they get macho finnish men to give up meat? *cut of macho man freaking out in an ice bath* by appealing to the women in their lives" *cuts to jonna jinton peacefully getting into an ice bath* that was good. I cracked up.

❤ thanks so much for your passion, time invested and balanced commentary. You are a gem!

It is really sad how people are so misguided in this jungle of “experts” giving biased opinions disguised as facts. Thanks again for this entertaining and very informative episode!

@PlantChompers

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks. In Marion’s book Unsavory Truth, she does a masterful but depressing job of revealing how the food industry confuses and distorts the science. It’s in their financial interest to do it because science points us away from profitable foods to sell (burgers) and towards unprofitable foods (vegetables).

@juliawls

2 жыл бұрын

@@PlantChompers Yes, I remember a post from Dr. Greger showing how industries even design studies or simply play around with numbers and charts so the outcome completely distorts reality in their interest. If one actually stops and thinks about how people are intentionally risking people’s lives and the qualities of life of those for profit, one could consider that a serious crime. Unfortunately no one is held accountable and it simply goes on.

Found this video first on Plant Based News. It's fantastic. Subscribed here. Awesome work.

I have several serious health issues and tired a whole food plant based diet for 4 yrs. My body just couldn’t adjust. I became more inflamed and malnourished. My inflammatory markers increase with grains and legumes. I had to stop and add in lean meat and fat free Icelandic yogurt. My pain went away and my inflammatory markers went to normal. My body can’t handle a lot of veggies either. So now I eat eggs (I raise my own), lean meat (from a friends farm), dairy and fruit. I eat a small amount of whole grains once a week. I am doing better right now health wise. I really tried for 4 yrs to eat a wfpb diet, but it just wouldn’t work.

@PlantChompers

2 жыл бұрын

Wow, I’m so sorry to hear that but it sounds like the good news is you’re feeling better. Did you get a diagnosis, such as Celiac’s disease?

@TheStrengthofEmpty

2 жыл бұрын

@@PlantChompers Yes I have celiac and also gastroparesis.

@NoelleCanty

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheStrengthofEmpty i have had a similar experience.

@demoskunk

2 жыл бұрын

Make sure you're getting a higher fat to protein ratio in your diet by adding high fat cuts of meat. It's important for brain health and proper hormone levels.

@NoelleCanty

2 жыл бұрын

@@demoskunk Thanks! I notice that the whole chicken, skin and juices and bone broth, makes a big difference, as opposed to the low-fat version, and I keep coconut oil, butter, olive oil, cod liver oil, flaxseed oil, and nuts around. I notice inflammation (joint pain, acne, histamine issues, etc)when I eat too much of any one plant food, and the fat helps. I also tend to soak my beans, oats, etc.

The only docu without the irritating use of background music. Love your humerous and enlightening take on nutrition

This video keeps coming into my feed! I must really want to watch it. Great content as always.

Sounds like Nina's approach is the classic "create doubt" strategy in the hopes of confusing the issue (and hope people don't change their unhealthy eating habits). Glad you did the debunk. 😀

@PlantChompers

2 жыл бұрын

I think that's exactly right.

@albertoandrade9807

2 жыл бұрын

Like Campbell says "people love to hear good things about their bad habits"

@tamcon72

2 жыл бұрын

I really think, as en experienced child educator, that when asked for pro-meat studies at that Reason conference, she put that mic up to her mouth and made all of that answer up on the spot.

As always - You’re the Best! 👍🏻👌🏻👏🏻 I’m always super entertained and enlightened by your content 🙏🏻

So much work and research goes into your videos, but this one was definitely worth the extra time and effort. Also you managed to sneak Montezuma's chocolate in. What's not to like!🙂

I think each one of your videos could be turned into a documentary, you put so much work into them ! Thank you very much.

But if cholesterol is so deadly then why do our body make them when we eat food with low cholesterol?

@karlwheatley1244

2 жыл бұрын

No one says "cholesterol is deadly:" They say TOO MUCH LDL is causal in heart disease, and experimental studies prove that is true.

@k14michael

2 жыл бұрын

@@karlwheatley1244 Do you actual know what LDL is? There is a reason why your body make LDL. It’s nothing but a transporter of fat molecules to your organs. Think of an analogy of a school bus. There is one that take students to school. That’s LDL. Then the other one that take students back from school. That HDL. That’s all they are. It’s like saying that your bus is the bad guys. There is a reason why there are more bus going to school then back. When it’s out of balance then disease happens. But you don’t go blaming the bus for it. You look for the reason why your body make more ldl. Your body produces these cholesterol so it can get the necessary fat to different areas of your body that needs it. Especially your brain. It is not the cause. Otherwise your body would not waste the energy to make it. I’ll tell you what’s the problem. When you eat too much fructose as is in high fructose corn syrup then your body automatically make more LDL, triglycerides, and lower HDL. It start a process to get you fat so you can survive the winter. It work fine for the caveman but in today environment it’s not so good because we never have an actual “winter” where we have famine. Human’s Genomes are NOT designed to eat fructose ALL year round for 20 to 30 years. Something will breakdown eventually. And now we have these so call scientists that came in and said oh…it’s the LDL that CAUSE the problem. That’s so funny. Do they even look at human physiology?

@karlwheatley1244

2 жыл бұрын

@@k14michael It's fun that you have created a school bus analogy to try to argue your point, but EXPERIMENTAL research proves elevated LDL is causal in atherosclerosis. Period. We need cholesterol, but too much of a good thing is still too much and unhealthy. Truly normal LDL for humans in ~35-70, and if you keep your LDL in that range for a lifetime and don't smoke, arterial plaques don't form. But you can't eat lots of saturated fat and keep your LDL in that range--both in the fasting state and postprandially. Think of it as being like the way too many school buses clog the street: We may need school buses, but too many of them means the traffic can't get through as easily and may be reduced to one lane, and if one bus pulls out suddenly, you get a crash. Yes, added sugar are also bad for our arteries, as are oils and other highly-processed foods. ALL of it is unhealthy for our arteries. Take care.

@k14michael

2 жыл бұрын

@@karlwheatley1244 Lol. That’s what I’m trying to tell you. LDL is not the culprit. It’s a result of imbalance in body physiology. Look for the cause, not the the result. Your body don’t make fat from eating saturated fats. It make fats when you ate too much calories from different food group. But it does require essential fatty acids from fats. So if you cut out animal fats then it’s harder to get them. It’s the fructose that break down into uric acids compound. Your body don’t have the enzymes to break it down fast enough. Uric acids tell your body to produce more LDL. So the science you stated is CORRECT. But your hypothesis is wrong. Basically you have the wrong man! Lol. But you’re right. Saturated fats do have lots of calories so we don’t need to eat it as often. Otherwise the excess calories will go to fats. It’s the excess calories (provided the raw materials) with the fructose (provided the directions) that cause the body to produce LDL. And the purpose is to make you fat so you can store that energy for the winter. So if you cut out only the saturated fats and the high fructose corn syrup then your body can still use whatever it has to make LDL. With time restricted eating, staying away from high fructose corn syrup and vegetable oils, and eat meat in moderation, then the human body should be good. If you look at all the longevity zone. You will find that this is the lifestyle of these people.

@karlwheatley1244

2 жыл бұрын

@@k14michael "That’s what I’m trying to tell you. LDL is not the culprit." You are just repeating your previous opinion, but EXPERIMENTAL studies proves elevated LDL is causal in heart disease. So eating lots of saturated animal fat directly promotes both insulin resistance and heart disease AND is inflammatory and increases your body burden of toxic chemicals. "It’s a result of imbalance in body physiology. Look for the cause, not the the result." Physiologically-normal human LDL is in the 35-70 range. That's the level of newborn babies, the level of many hunter gatherer tribes that have been studied, that's the levels at which arterial plaques stop forming (even as the body continually heals itself from insults), and that's the level of most free-ranging mammals who are free of atherosclerosis. Having an LDL of 90 or 125 or 165 IS a physiological imbalance and it is directly caused by eating saturated fat. That is not the only thing that can cause it (being overweight raise LDL, unfiltered coffee, etc.), but experimental studies show saturated fat consumption is a potent promoter of high LDL levels. "But it does require essential fatty acids from fats. So if you cut out animal fats then it’s harder to get them." Your body DOES need some fat, but it doesn't need much. For example, the post WWII Okinawans, the second longest-lived formally studied population, only ate 6% of calories from fat. And you body and the gut bacteria in it can do things like turn fiber into short-chain fatty acids. The folks who live longest also eat lower fat diets. None ate very high-fat diets across their lifespans and none ate lots of meat across their lifespans. Take care.

29:26 and does that mean we'll excuse everyone who eats meat or enjoys it whenever they do any study regarding it? Double standards.

Evolution didn't create bad fat. Industrialised factories did.

Impeccable, well researched, and documented! The Finnish turning the statistics around is fascinating and inspiring. The Harvard link has expired but I will track down the book. Thank you. Henry Blackburn as the original Anthony Bourdain gave me a laugh. A client of mine recently referenced a Healthline Blog from Denise, which is the reason why I'm here. I'm thankful to hear she has changed her initial view somewhat . I stumbled upon the nutrition coalition a few years ago and realised quickly it was less than transparent.

Greetings from a fellow exmormon, plant based vegan now for 1 year and a half. Would love one day to hear your experience leaving the church. Love your videos!

@PlantChompers

2 жыл бұрын

Hey Felipe! That's a hard transition for many people, no? I hope you're adjusting well. You can email me at plantchompers at gmail. Thanks!

@fegodev

2 жыл бұрын

@@PlantChompers I just emailed you 🖖

@KevinCisney

Жыл бұрын

Hey same here! I went vegetarian about 2.5 years ago, vegan roughly 2 years ago. Also was raised LDS.

Love these in-depth videos!

The death of expertise will kill us all. Also, the TedX people need to be more diligent about selecting who gets to vomit their every precious thought under one of their logos. Shameful. This was an amazing survey of the literature and, uh, literature*. ThanksForPosting!

@unholyquail4560

2 жыл бұрын

TedX was once a controversial (in a good way) platform for renowned people to share their amazing expertise and vision. But what TedX now has become is a platform for jokers without the credentials and publications to back up their story.... I personally have alot of people around me from the highest level of education and acedemia and they mostly agree with me when I say TedX has died and become an empty shell of its former self. It is no longer recognised as a proper informational platform. Some people even removed the Ted talk from their curriculum vitea just because it makes them look bad these days.

Hi Chris! I've been watching your videos for a while now ! Nutritional science sometimes seems so complicated with people attacking each other ! What are some relatively easy to read, up to date and reliable books or studies to read to really get a good grasp of what a healthy diet is ? I'd imagine the China study or How not to die ? Anything else ? Thanks a lot and keep up the work

@PlantChompers

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Martin! The China Study and How Not To Die are truly great books but they are not the easiest to read and they are focused on going 100% plant based. If someone has a serious health problem I always point them to How Not to Die. There are some easier books to read by 100% plant based doctors, like anything from Dr. Barnard or Dean Ornish, both rock solid. If you want to still eat some fish and yogurt, then I think What To Eat by Marion Nestle, Eat to Beat Disease by William Li, or The Telomere Effect by Elizabeth Blackburn are also first rate books.

@martinjeanneteau7950

2 жыл бұрын

@@PlantChompers thanks for the answer ! I've actually been on a plant based path since the start of 2020 so I'll definitely check all that to get more information !

Great work, Plant Chompers. Enjoyed watching the video!

All I need to know about saturated fat comes from the British Rationing system of World War II. Never before had Brits consumed as little saturated fat as during this period and never before had the number of heart attacks and diabetes been so low. Has never been that way again since rationing was lifted. Rationing mostly concerned high fat and/or very high protein foods. People ate much more wholemeal bread and potatoes. So, it wasn't the carbs that had previously made them unhealthy.

@billd2845

2 жыл бұрын

Hello, let me start by saying I’m not entirely familiar with the information you are relaying, but you got me thinking. People normally take years to develop atherosclerosis and have the heart attacks that end their lives. Are you saying that people in England had heart attacks at lower rates during rationing, or years later? If your answer is years later, did anyone make the comparison or perhaps assign the regression to something like fasting? Wouldn’t the reduction of heart attacks happen later, and not during rationing?

@r_s2611

Жыл бұрын

@@billd2845 he said that the levels of heart disease has since then been lower than before rationing so yes, it made them healthier

@GaryKatch

3 ай бұрын

Sugar was also rationed.

Awesome video! You’re so good at this 😎

I'd love to see a list of the books in your library. Can you put out a reading list w/annotated bibliography? Please. :o).

@PlantChompers

2 жыл бұрын

Sounds like a plan. Guess I should do it on Medium?

@martinsalas4608

2 жыл бұрын

I vote for a book list too, please.

@ehendriks3328

2 жыл бұрын

@@PlantChompers That would be great! I will check out the books you've shared in your videos, but I am wondering what other treasures are on the shelf...

The quality of your content is exceptional, thanks for your uploads!

@timmothyburke

2 жыл бұрын

Really sad to be reminded that the vast majority of people have no clue to how to be a real scientist. The people who have been coming up with this bullshit are the same ones that told everyone to eat trans fat and their methods are all based on population studies and correlations. Correlation does not equal causation.

@weston.weston

2 жыл бұрын

@@timmothyburke What specifically are you referencing, Chris MaCaskill or something else? Your comment is a bit vague in relation to my original statement.

What an informative and engaging video! Thank you! I have lived in confusion about diet for a while, not knowing who or what to believe. As an obese man it has become important for me to make a decision and work hard to carry the decision out. I’ve rejected carnivore, think Keto is not sustainable, have played with paleo and find I get tired of animal protein and animal fat. Mediterranean/vegan principles seem to me to be the best bet overall and the most sustainable way of eating.

Thank you so much for producing this most informative video. It's finally put an end to my confusion.

Thank you 🙏🏿 we read but sometimes we don’t have the time so thank you for

I am SO INCREDIBLY THANKFUL for your indepth analysis.

You’re my new fav! Love the presentation. The humor. The fam. But mostly love the content. Thx for doing the homework so we don’t have to ❤

You should have a debate with Dr Anthony Chaffee and/ or Ken Berry Md. I would love to see the winner of that debate.

Yet another well researched and extensive video served in a tray for easy consumption! Great job to you and lucky for me to find such channel to get such intellectual massage!

Thank you so much, once again, for your fabulous fact-checking, articulation, and brilliant humor! As a newbie, it's concerning how much misinformation has been spread. Most thankful I started watching your channel. And thank you for making me (along with many other viewers, I see) laugh out loud so often.😍

This is such top notch content. Again as I’ve said before THANK YOU

Thank you so much for this video. I am now avidly watching all your videos. Entertaining and educational. Great combination. So good to see an intelligent and fact based argument against that "Ego on legs" Nina Teicholz. I literally choked on my granola when my brother posted on facebook about her book and how he bought into everything she claimed. We nearly lost our lovely TV when I researched her videos and she came out with the line about "plants not giving you enough nutrition". Seriously ? What a complete joke. But it just goes to show how you can give people good news about their unhealthy lifestyle and they will buy into it in droves. People dont need much convincing to stay as they are. The sad part is that people will suffer as a result. Yet there seems to be no accountability for the potential health risks of writing this stuff so that people follow it. Keep doing your videos Chris. We love you and the videos brighten up my morning work out and breakfast!

Good work sir. Now I am more confused than ever.

This is so helpful! Thank you!

Your American food pyramid broll was genius! Keep ‘em coming… subscribed and loving the content!

@PlantChompers

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks! I had fun doing it. 😀

@andrewscot5204

2 жыл бұрын

@@PlantChompers I can tell that you really enjoy, not just sharing the content but also, the creative process. As a videographer/editor I really appreciate the time taken to tell a story not just share information. Love it!

My blood cholesterol numbers were given a gold star by my physician saying I could not have had better numbers and my triglycerides were under 46. I eat meat but not beef and cut off excess fat and never deep fry and mostly bake in an oven or fry using very low heat and butter (grass fed). I have carefully avoided any and all Hydrogenated oils since the mid 1980's. I do not eat chips or french-fries or anything deep fried (yuck). I also avoid GMO products along with vegetable oils except for olive oil and also take fish-oil. I eat cheese and also drink 2% milk but not a huge amount. I love salads and fruits along with whole grain breads and pasta. I hate processed foods since I was a kid.

Thank you for posting. Fantastic and informative video!

Found your channel under a comment on Nina's talk. Thanks so much for your informative debunking! Hard to deny that Nina's charm and presentation skills easily grab my attention, I was almost fooled by her misrepresentation on the great 7 countries study! I'm from Hong Kong, and we actully eat tons of veggie per day (parents do the cooking and they always buy fresh veggie everday) and not to mention rice is our major stable food. In HK beef steak/lamb chop is relativly pricier (all imported). eg. a good 245g of steak is around HKD 90, with the same amount of money I can buy 5kg of veggie. While in UK, the price ratio isn't that distinctive.

@zoey4846

2 жыл бұрын

After finding this video, I watched all the videos in your channel and they are amazing! You invited authorities for interview and your video is carefully edited and literature reviewed. You deserve more like and sub!

@PlantChompers

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much, Zoey. 😁 I have visited Hong Kong a few times, starting in 1982, and have always loved it. Among my most vivid memories are the open markets flush with 🥬. No wonder Hong Kong ranks as the longest-lived country in the world, ahead of Japan. On the other hand, I’m reading reports of increasing diabetes and weight among 20 and 30-somethings because they are drifting away from the eating habits of their parents. Is that true?

@zoey4846

2 жыл бұрын

​@@PlantChompers if we cook our meals, we buy vegetables. But people do dine out, and it's hard to order vegetable dishes at non-Asian restaurants. From my observation, most people order at least one vegetable dish if they dine in Chinese restaurants e.g. vegetable stew/soup or simply stir-frying. After covid, friends of mine go to the gym more often then before... I'm not sure about the weight gain...But if people tends to dine out, it's no wonder they're getting diabetes lol. One thing I always wanna point out is that - yes, hk people is the longest-lived country, but also has the POOREST labour rights- longest working hours among other developed countries, most expensive place to live (housing) in the world and densely populated. For people over 80s, I'm not sure on the accurate population but I think around half of them were immigrants to HK in their 30s due to war or to flee from China. And life was easier back then (at least the housing is affordable). Now HK is a suffocating city loads with stress, under this modern salvery system, HK will no longer be the longest lived country after maybe 1-2 decades I'd say.

@PlantChompers

2 жыл бұрын

That’s tragic, but thanks so much for letting us know. Sad but enlightening.

Could you post your Ted Talk link?

@PlantChompers

2 жыл бұрын

Sure: kzread.info/dash/bejne/ooir1JeAgdGskc4.html

Oh my god I I asked you just yesterday! What an amazing timing

@WWK-f4t

2 жыл бұрын

Actually, from the title: I think this was partly because I asked him to debunk the whole “Ancel Keys Conspiracy” some weeks ago. But I haven’t watched the video yet, I guess I’m going to find out soon.

@albertoandrade9807

2 жыл бұрын

@@WWK-f4t it's a nice coincidence

@PlantChompers

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, and if you're the same person (did you change your screen name?), you also asked me to address Denise and Nina. Your wish was my command 😁, although listening to Nina is hard. So much science denial.

@WWK-f4t

2 жыл бұрын

@@albertoandrade9807 yeah definitely a coincidence 0:00 - 0:05. You know what, I don't think it matters, it's irrelevant.

@albertoandrade9807

2 жыл бұрын

@@PlantChompers no relation here! But wonderful information is always welcome

So I increased my saturated fats in my diet while decreasing my carbs and seed oils. My triglycerides from 112 sank to 42 with my HDL increased from 63 to 88. Also, my body muscle to fat ratio shot way up. I'm sticking with high cholesterol food and will go toe-to-toe with your blood analysis anytime. I walk the talk.

@karlwheatley1244

Жыл бұрын

HDL doesn't really matter; how's your LDL?

@Fearzero

Жыл бұрын

You'll walk it to the cardiac ward

@dossegundos7145

Жыл бұрын

👍🏼👍🏼😀😀

@lucam2942

Жыл бұрын

What much did your LDL raise? You eliminated processed carbs?

@Jodie-masterson

Жыл бұрын

@@lucam2942 he didn’t mention is because it Probaly skyrocketed like mine did

Awesome work, really enjoyed this one.

Amazing content. Criminally undersubscribed 🙏

what do you think about the polyinsaturated oils being more prone to oxidation and that to be a cause of artherosclerosis?

@singularity6761

2 жыл бұрын

Great point. I think this question is unterrated! Maybe all the meat seems to be unhealthy because its mostly fried in polyunsaturated oils and the meat comes grom grain feed animals. It's absolut unlogic that a natural based food which meat is should be unhealthy!

@nemodot

2 жыл бұрын

@@singularity6761 Its completely illogical to think everything that comes from nature is good by default. Take Rotenone, the 'organic' insecticide.

@singularity6761

2 жыл бұрын

@@nemodot I have talked about natural based food (proven as food for millions of years) not any natural based chemical!

@demoskunk

2 жыл бұрын

@@nemodot Humans didn't eat rotenone for 2 million years

I absolutely love your channel/videos! Thanks so much for the crossed checked references and informative sources you provide. Can't believe your channel is not more popular. Keep them coming ,thanks heaps!

Great in depth work as always. Because of your background in earth science I’d love to see you do a video on the meat industry and low carb claims that ruminant meat is positive for the environment and GHG sequestration. It’s a frustrating talking point ever since Allan Savory’s Ted Talk.

@PlantChompers

2 жыл бұрын

Heh, this is the second request today for that. Guess I better do it... 😁 It reminds me so much of what we had to live through in earth science, that coal emissions were good for the planet because they fertilized the plants. Yeah, they also contaminated the earth with methyl mercury, which contaminated our fish, among other things.

@WWK-f4t

2 жыл бұрын

That’s a very good idea, I’d love to see such a video from Chris. Until, anyone interested in the topic can read the report from FCRN, Environmental Change Institute and "Oxford Martin Programme on the Future of Food" "Grazed and confused?", AND: Read: “OPINION: Is Documentary ‘Kiss The Ground’ Just A Last Ditch Effort To Keep Meat Relevant?” by nutritionist Simon Hill and environmental scientist Nicholas Carter. Especially look at the references in the article marked with some kind of color. Also read “Holistic Management - a critical review of Allan Savory’s grazing method” and listen to the Podcast “Can holistic grazing reverse climate change? A review of Kiss the Ground”

@PlantChompers

2 жыл бұрын

Hmmm, I see what you mean. I just watched Earthling Ed’s take and it seems like he’s caught in a back and forth debunking battle with Joseph at What I’ve Learned. People in the comments say they have no idea who to believe. kzread.info/dash/bejne/dp-BsbNyiJqchbg.html

@paulariese260

2 жыл бұрын

@@PlantChompers and don't forget to address the depletion of soils, use of pesticides and fossil fuels in fertilizers when growing plants.

@hhgg-ft5jq

2 жыл бұрын

@@PlantChompers mercury in vaccines is good though?

Living for this! Great work!

Amazing content, and your energy is breathtaking. Kudos.

So, you’ve addressed the two authors. But you haven’t addressed saturated fat. I can show you multiple references in reputable journals, metanalyses showing the lack of relationship between saturated fat and coronary artery disease and mortality etc. Have you not seen those? Do you feel like those are not legitimate analyses?

@PlantChompers

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks, Frank. I’d love the references. I responded to the one you mentioned in your other comment (from Lee Hooper).

@frankjspencejr

2 жыл бұрын

@@PlantChompers Examples follow below. I do appreciate what you are doing and I remain open-minded. I know that making these connections if very complex, given the number of factors involved, many of which are likely not accounted for in the analyses and many of which are likely yet unknown. My impression overall is that a lot of dietary strategies are probably healthy if we limit ourselves to "real food", and eliminate processed foods of all kinds. In the big picture, dietarily the things that have dramatically increased in the human diet over the last several decades are sugar and "vegetable oils", though the better name for those oils would be seed and nut oil's. The oils them selves have been around, but never in such quantity, and previous human exposure were to the oils in their natural states within actual food, and not isolated in large quantities and highly processed. I suspect you would tend to agree, but I won't put words in your mouth. Thanks again for your thoughtful attention. Dietary saturated fat and heart disease: a narrative review, Jeffery L Heileson 2020 Jun 1;78(6):474-485. doi: 10.1093/nutrit/nuz091. Meta-analysis of prospective cohort studies evaluating the association of saturated fat with cardiovascular disease Patty W Siri-Tarino, Qi Sun, Frank B Hu, Ronald M Krauss Author Notes The American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, Volume 91, Issue 3, March 2010, Pages 535-546, doi.org/10.3945/ajcn.2009.27725 Intake of saturated and trans unsaturated fatty acids and risk of all cause mortality, cardiovascular disease, and type 2 diabetes: systematic review and meta-analysis of observational studies BMJ 2015; 351 doi: doi.org/10.1136/bmj.h3978 (Published 12 August 2015) Frank Spence

@viggoyy

2 жыл бұрын

@@PlantChompers I would love to hear a response to this as well. I feel like the topic of saturated fats is such a bog to navigate, and it feels like every study you read is either "yes it's bad for your heart" or "no, it's not bad for your heart"

@HidingFromFate

2 жыл бұрын

@@frankjspencejr good thoughts, and I appreciate and share much of your both open-mindedness and desire for further understanding of this subject.

@demoskunk

2 жыл бұрын

The AHA has recently changed their recommendations due to this. They no longer recommend a low saturated fat diet.

Good story, thanks for sharing! Funny skids and edits too!

Thank you PC for your detailed educational work.

Just discovered your channel. Great video, good humour, science based evidence. Liked and subscribed :-)

Thank you so much for you incredible work, I've never seen anyone so thorough in their reading and source checking, you really blow everyone else out of the water in reporting these subjects and I only wish more people could be exposed to this quality of information. Please keep doing what you're doing and I hope to see more quality videos in the future!

Marion Nestle looks like she's in her 60's. Amazing for 85!

Great vid! jam packed with info, and the doctor interactions are great! that is one tough doctor!

Do those studies you are presenting mimic a low carb high fat diet? or are they just adding / compensating the fat for proteins or carbs that were removed? If its the latter, How much protein or carbs were removed in place of fat?

I switched to a carnivore diet 3 years ago. I'm a truck driver who finds it difficult to get proper exercise, and was noticing my blood pressure rising along with my blood sugar. I felt great shortly after beginning the carnivore diet. My blood pressure and blood sugar fell to normal levels a couple of months into the diet. I lost some weight. But I was always a little nervous about how the diet was actually impacting my health overall. Three years in I did a full blood panel. Wow. All my levels were excellent....including cholesterol, liver, inflammatory markers, thyroid...just everything...awesome. so after struggling for many years, ive found my North...meat...full fat meat. Works for me! 👍👍

@precocioussceptic4967

2 жыл бұрын

You’re lucky it did the opposite for me. Gained weight and increase blood pressure and cholesterol. ☹️ Going to try something else

@TheJezryk

2 жыл бұрын

That's because the video is full of nonsense. The seven countries study is widely criticized and has been universally debunked by control trials. The logic and sources used by plant chompers are the same type of rationale that got us to believe that eggs are harmful for you and raise your ldl to dangerous levels for 30ish years. A theory proposed by yet another epidemolical study that has been throroughly debunked in clinical trials. Current scientific data actually strongly suggest that the issue, once again, is insulin resistence. Seemingly problematic factors like saturated fats, high ldl levels etc. only become indicators of underlying issues once they are paired with insulin resistence. Plant chompers also claims that the current dietary habit of americans consist of mostly processed food(true) and lots of meat with little vegetables and fruit (false). Consumer data shows that the consumption of meat has gone down by 10-15% globally ever since the dietary recommendations changed to a high carbohydrate diet with emphasis on fructose. At the same time the rate of metabolic disease and obesity skyrocketted. He also claims in the comment section that the food industry has an invested interest to manipulate statistical data to demote the role of vegetables. Which is nonsensical considering vegetables, seeds and grains are the most profitable food markets right after processed food. We have very little data on the carnivore diet, but the data we do have is extremely promising. The food industry just doesn't want you to know that because the carnivore diet is about eating healthy, mostly unprocessed meats. And that shit is hella expensive to produce and has an extremely low profit margin. it's also much less addictive than currently promoted food options.

@scottie1858

2 жыл бұрын

@Precocious Sceptic i think you need to be consistent...cant be "cheating" too often with carbs. Also throw in at least a few good brisk walks a week. But who knows, maybe you have trouble processing fat. You need fat because your body doesn't metabolize protein well without fat. In fact, a keto diet proper is more about the fat than the protein. But I'm more carnivore paleo...very low carb.

@scottie1858

2 жыл бұрын

@Precocious Sceptic before I tried full carnivore I composed my diet of things more in line with what would have been available to primitive man. In other words, full fat meat, fish eggs, berries, leafy greens. No bread, pasta, wheat products, or even root vegetables. It also helped...a lot. Coupled with a bit of moderate exercise. Carbohydrates are my kryptonite. Now i treat carbs like a desert...which I can enjoy guilt free occasionally because I dont include them in every meal. Your body burns two kinds of energy...fat or carbs. It will burn the carbs first, which caused unused fat energy to be stored as body fat, and raises cholesterol in blood. Carbs also elevate insulin levels which causes inflammation and fat storage. When insulin levels are high, no fat is burning...only being added to the waistline. With the exception of transfats, all fats are anti inflammatory.

@tinabean713

2 жыл бұрын

A lot of this is down to genetic variations and some day we'll get there to find all the specific markers that tell us what we're really pre-programmed for. From what I've seen of diet studies there are always some who do really well and some who do really poorly no matter the diet being studied or the outcome (weight, inflammation, etc.)

I’ve tried many different diets mostly for blood pressure control , a lot of empty promises. I will say that joint pain and acid reflux went away on a keto diet. That being said,I was still always hungry (cravings) and wanting more to eat within an hour or so. 5’4” 125 lbs .

@ezio_mis

2 жыл бұрын

lmao, post cholesterol buddy

@markbruce7674

Жыл бұрын

Hi Russell...i suppose you know the reason for your blood pressure...whether it be stress or inflammation of the arteries. Remember cholesterol is not the cause of clogged arteries but inflamation is....since sugar is in every dietry food....try lower your sugar intake....high processed food...snacks ...soda.. coffee..carbs and i gurantee you your blood pressure will drop...insulin levels will normalize and you can kick the crap killer blood pressure tablets your doctor has prescribed to you...i gurantee you!!

@ezio_mis

Жыл бұрын

@@markbruce7674 shut the fuck up man , you don't know why he has high BP, he might have obesity,he might have genetic cause, he might be consuming top much sodium . Muh inflammation, muh insulin. Short term insulin rise doens't cause insulin resistance. Shut the fuck up

Thank you for this! I hope you'll never sell out!

Another one of your videos binged! Was discussing diet recently with someone who referenced Nina quite frequently. So I figured I'd check this video out

American college of cardiologists (respected panel of top cardiologists) came out with a paper concluding that there’s weak evidence for placing limits on saturated fat intake, but it showed that there was protective effect for stroke. Can you comment your thoughts on that paper?

Maybe you can debate Dr Berry,and some of the other keto,Doctors,

@bobomonkey702

8 ай бұрын

Dr Berry will destroy him.

Good knowledge delivery and a great dose of humor!

That was extremely enlightening. Thanks Chris.

Thanks for great content!

Hi. Thanks for the video. I've only a critic. I don't know if it's me because I'm not American (but normally I dont have those issues normally) you put a lot of informations and it's ok but also a LOT of names and half or more of those of people I've never heard of and I'm very bad at remembering names never heard before. Moreover if they are English names (I'm Italian). It's been difficult to follow everything. Maybe put the name below? With different colours? (I'm asperger so maybe it's only me...) Thanks again I can see how much effort you put in the video and I hope the best for you and your family and projects.

@PlantChompers

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks, squarz. Good feedback and noted, I will focus more on subtitles.

@squarz

2 жыл бұрын

@@PlantChompers thanks, it was mostly the first part, you talked about two woman alternately both unknown to me and I had a lot of problems understanding when you were quoting one or the other :)

Our whole endocrinology system depends on fat intake and a portion of saturated fats, for e.g, testosterone is produced by cholesterol, which you get from eating fat, not eating fat means low testosterone which can cause a lot of trouble... Fat is needed and very important. Could you address this.

You are the best, thanks again for another fantastic video.