Very interesting. I carried a Bucheimer braided leather blackjack as a LEO in the 70s. Brings back memories.

@ObjectHistory

2 жыл бұрын

Nice. Thanks for letting me know.

@capcon6

2 ай бұрын

Thank you for your service !

Great channel - I think this is the most informative series on the whole subject of blackjacks etc. I have subbed!

@ObjectHistory

7 жыл бұрын

Thanks! That was my goal. When I first got interested in the subject I couldn't really find much information at all out there.

Was replaying Tomba on a playstation emulator and saw that his weapon is a blackjack and I was like...I've never known exactly what a blackjack is! So I looked it up and found this video. Thanks for showing and explaining these in this video and the history one.

@ObjectHistory

3 жыл бұрын

My pleasure. That's exactly why I started the book and channel, for people who tripped over these things there was no real info on what they were, their history, etc. Thanks again.

Good sap evaluation n history. I have had a sap used on me by cops in early 70s. It made a lasting impression on my collar bone n head. These are not tools, n generally illegal to carry. Yet it's 2020 very soon, n we older folks need a effective alternative if attacked imho. I ccw yes, 24/7/365 for 35 yrs. But, I'd much rather have another tool to defend myself n my 13 gkids. Always go the 4ply route imho, as hitting a bone or joint won't kill some one. You want to hit one strike n move away quickly. If someone as a gun n your only option is a death blow a head would work. But you'll most likely do serious jail time let alone a possible felony charge. Saps are awesome equalizers for any older folks. You can either pocket a sap or attach inside pocket or coat sleeves work well with hook n loop. Imho, if you aren't a criminal n look n act like a honest person most cops won't bother you if they happen to see yours. But, don't parade such n better to keep things to yourself than a group of friends knowing you have one. Friends can turn on you, an a anonymous tip can wreck a nice evening out with your sweetie. An LE would detain you n probably be charged with a deadly weapon. They might not have a choice, some would just take the sap n warn you. But, how many times have LE ever stopped n searched you? Probably never. It's a survival tool folks, mainly for honest people who want a effective self defense tool. An using a gun should be the absolute worst situation imho. Think before you act,,,

A good friend was a 25 yr LEO. He used a 12" 16 oz Convoy when no backup was available. His technique was one hit with great force just above the ear. He said properly done it was an instant knock out that caused a pressure cut to the scalp which always required 7 stitches to close.

@ObjectHistory

7 ай бұрын

Great detail, thanks. A Convoy is a real beast of a blackjack, no surprise one shot there would drop someone.

@KeninMT

7 ай бұрын

@@ObjectHistory, the Convoy was only used when he was alone and the subject wanted to fight instead of surrendering peacably, such as drunks or "tough guys". Being a tall person with long arms he said he'd get hold of a shirt front or collar, hold them at arms length out of their strike range and as soon as he saw the opening give them the shot, roll them over and put the cuffs on then drive to the hospital for stitches before going to the station house for booking. As an aside, he said he had an 18 year old drunk kid one time that wanted to fight. He got the treatment. His father saw my friend at a community function some time after and he said "I want to thank you for knocking the dog sh*t out of my son, he's been off the rails for some time now. But after you cold cocked him he's totally changed. He says yes sir and no ma'am, does his chores and gave up his rowdy friends" I guess a sap properly applied has fringe benefits!

@Daniel-ci5th

18 күн бұрын

What a dik

The Medial Or Small End Of The Collarbone Is A Perfect One Follow Up With The Bridge Of The Nose!:)

well done and appreciated by this weapons collector

@ObjectHistory

7 ай бұрын

Thanks so much

awesome video as always

I’ve been making my own flat jacks and I can’t decide on the best sizes but my 8” has been in my back pocket for 3 years and seems good

@ObjectHistory

5 жыл бұрын

That’s a good size IMO.

@DanielC__

2 жыл бұрын

8" is perfect. I made 2 goons cry like little girls with my leather 8" filled with lead shot. Those bitches were done after 2 hits each.

Awesome thanks for the info.

Great Video! Very informative.

@ObjectHistory

2 жыл бұрын

Appreciate it.

Very interesting! Neat collection

@ObjectHistory

Жыл бұрын

Thank You

I love your explanation and information about these useful objects plus nice leather work by the makers..... but I've been in a few fights and have found on the spur of the moment that your hands are going to be the first thing you're going to use .....

@ObjectHistory

4 ай бұрын

It's a good point. Bringing a weapon into play has a host of dangers from escalating your opponent's response to legal ramifications. But there's situations where I'd definitely want one in my hand. True story- just the other day I was in a small coffee shop with only female employees and this guy starts acting crazy, cleary tweaking. The baristas tried to get him to leave and he wouldn't, etc. I'm not looking to be a hero but was preparing in case he got physical with them, which luckily he didn't. And... I took my sap out of my pocket and left it on the table so I wouldn't be tempted to use it since I figured it would just turn into a tussle type situation if I had to get involved.

@MicheleDamato-co7vh

4 ай бұрын

@ObjectHistory I totally agree with you on all points..... any sort of weapon is an advantage cause you never know what's going to happen..... and shit happens... instead of taking out your phone to record the incident, take out your "sap," and help someone out....

Midget saps are effective for swinging if the strap is over the ring finger excluding the pinky with a hard wrist snapping strike to the jaw under the ear or the back of the head at the brainstem.... very easy to conceal in hand when approaching a target at night back when there was less to no high-power electric public lamps like we have in so many parking lots now.

@blazecampbell8280

Жыл бұрын

That sounds extremely rapey dude...

Gave you a sub. I enjoy the history of such tools.

@ObjectHistory

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks very much.

Great video! Informative but not pretentious! Good job man

@ObjectHistory

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the feedback

Nice collection

I bought a pair of weighted ( people say fingerless) gloves but they are more like half finger gloves about 7 yrs ago. I've always wanted the full finger kind that look more like leather driving gloves but could never find any. That is until I moved to this town. It's not like you can get em any time here cause the people that sell em only come to this town once a year. Ever since the very 1st COVID lockdown thou they haven't been back. But I am quite happy with mine. Don't know how much they weigh but they are plenty heavy.

@ObjectHistory

7 ай бұрын

Modern riding gloves look cool (the ones I've seen) and definitely have some heft.

I thought this was bluebrint or design pattern.

Could you please elaborate on the yawara and kubotan history and usages, please? I would be especially interested in your thoughts on effectiveness of the kubotan loaded with keys. What's your on opinion on using the end with the keys to strike (jab) and flail it. Kubotan becomes more like a handle for a bunch of keys then. Could the keys hitting in the head have stunning sap-like effect?

@ObjectHistory

4 жыл бұрын

Think I'd like to do a video on that so I can experiment with it too.

@vyderka

4 жыл бұрын

@@ObjectHistory it'd be great, can't wait to see it! On another subject, I read your book with great interest, it is really very informative and superbly written.

@ObjectHistory

4 жыл бұрын

@@vyderka Thanks for the kind words. Please consider reviewing it on Amazon. OK, just need to order one on Amazon.

You don't want any wire, clips or anything that can cut you on your blackjack/sap.

How do they get so thick? Do they use leather spacer material around the edges of the sap? I can see layers around the sides? And how do they get the smooth shiny edge around them, is that a seperate strip of leather glued around the sap? I’m going to try and make one that’s why I’m asking?👍🇬🇧

@ObjectHistory

2 жыл бұрын

I'm no expert when it comes to the method. Essentially the leather is multiple layers (usually) with a cutout in the head for the load that it gives the weapon weight/impact. All those layers are stitched together around the perimeter. I believe the leather shrinks so that it ends up tightly gripping the interior metal load. The edges are burnished in a couple of different ways. I remember one maker saying he uses a special kind of wood to do it. If you're on facebook, there's a group called Blackjacks, Saps and Knuckledusters that has lots of expert makers you could ask for your project.

@TheGreatest1974

2 жыл бұрын

@@ObjectHistory ah. Thanks for that. 👍🇺🇸 god bless America. 🇬🇧

@ripstephenhawking8787

Жыл бұрын

The shiny edge of the leather where the two halfs are stitched together is called burnishing. It's done by the leather crafter to polish and seal the edges neatly. It's done either by hand or on a burnishing wheel. The burnishing tool is usually a wooden dowel made of hardwood with rounded grooves ringing it. This rounded groove is briskly rubbed over the edge of the leather, sometimes with a burnishing compound. (Or a grooved wheel on a bench grinder type device) The brisk rubbing generates frictional heat and causes the leather to become polished and sealed providing a neat clean finished product.

What do you think about Marcus Holloway’s thunder ball

@ObjectHistory

3 жыл бұрын

I didn’t even know what that was until I googled it right now… Awesome! There are the real life versions of that. In fact one of my upcoming videos is on one I just purchased (a billiard ball in para cord).

Point of the shoulder is a good one, especially with a blackjack, elbows are good with hard saps and jacks.dont guess you didn't want to talk about eyebrows and neck or "rabbit blows" ...

@ObjectHistory

2 жыл бұрын

Tip of the shoulder definitely comes up with old cops, bouncers, etc. Elbows too. Yeah, on the nastier ones I wanted to stay away to not get into trouble with KZread. Probably being paranoid but don't want strikes on my channel.

I have a John Parlenti(spelling??) small sap and blackjack small and a medium Jay-pee sap. Bought in the early '80s.

@ObjectHistory

2 ай бұрын

Awesome. I've never held a Jay-Pee sap. They weren't legendary for their quality but saw plenty of use with law enforcement. Would love to have an old one.

So were there any that were billyclub/truncheon sized or that last one about as big as they got?

@ObjectHistory

5 ай бұрын

The Gonzales saps and Bucheimer Texan that I've shown on the channel were as big as they normally got. Bucheimer made 14" model called the Big John that never really became popular because (IMO) it loses one of the main selling points... an impact weapon that hits like a full-sized baton while fitting in your pocket. I own a Big John, just haven't made a video on it yet.

@jacobrigby3172

5 ай бұрын

@@ObjectHistory I just figured for cops or prison security a bigger more intimidating model for keeping would be thugs and prisoners in line would be appealing but I guess that's what a dedicated billyclub is for

I love all of these saps , I had one many years ago and it was stolen from my home . I have not been able to find a new one since, I don't even know where to look . LOL

@ObjectHistory

Жыл бұрын

There’s a Facebook group called Blackjacks, Saps and Knuckledusters that’s about the biggest home out there for collectors and sellers

@sheldondillon

Жыл бұрын

@@ObjectHistory I am not ,nor will I ever be a part of face book. Have my own reasons.

@ObjectHistory

Жыл бұрын

@@sheldondillon Hear you. It's just the main site where that activity happens. Just google saps and blackjacks for sale and you'll get options if you do want to shop. You could msg me if you're worried one you're interested in is overpriced or low quality, etc.

@sheldondillon

Жыл бұрын

@@ObjectHistory Really ? Thank you, I just may take you up on that offer some time.

@kylevalucky1003

Жыл бұрын

I bought one at a military surplus in Deerfield Ohio.

How about a steel pipe

The pacific island patu is a better weapon.. however blackjacks are more portable and can be non lethal unlike the patu which could split the human skull with one sharp blow.. each has a specific purpose..

@ObjectHistory

Жыл бұрын

No doubt. Things like this were civilian weapons, not weapons of war like the patu.

I finally figured out Dave at D3 Protection's (d3protection.com) comments were getting automatically hidden by my channel... technology fun. Dave, that shouldn't happen anymore. In response to the original comment... thanks! I'll have a video on the Wire Bound Cosh at some point.

These always remind me of how sailors used to put heavy coins in thier sailors hats and use them to club people lol

@ObjectHistory

Жыл бұрын

I have a version of that in my book. Sewing a large coin into the cap, scarf, etc. And researching for my next one (about to come out) I have a roll of coins getting sewed into a piece of strong linen.

@hughgrection3052

Жыл бұрын

@Object History Cool. I know many started using silver lower worth coins to replicate this later on as they learned about the trick. Myself I think it started tho with agents who needed to hide currency on them at all times in case they needed to bribe people to get food, shelter, sneak across a border etc. I suspect that they used a large as possible gold coin when they did. I bet over time they learned this makes a handy weapon after doing it for a while. Especially if you're an agent and didn't want to be seen with weapons. So I wonder how far back it goes before the sailors began doing it too with thier hats and smaller silver coins. I know even Been Lahden was found with money sewed in his clothes. I've heard of diamonds being the easiest to smuggle but yeah not sure how well they can be traded for favors. Seems like it would be hard to convince them of it being real. But, if ya can make one of those that's slap full of diamonds... I'd watch that for sure lol

@ObjectHistory

Жыл бұрын

@@hughgrection3052 That's an interesting point I'd never considered. Nice.

The Gonzales Huh Why Don't You Use A Brick? It Looks Very Similar!:)

Where can you get these in united Kingdom

@ObjectHistory

Жыл бұрын

There are makers up there... www.davidsonleather.com/home/shop/ and Chris Ball, who you can find on Facebook (he makes shillelaghs, walking sticks, saps, etc.)

@powerplay4real174

8 ай бұрын

​@@ObjectHistory 👍💯

How useful is a sap in an actual fight?

@ObjectHistory

Жыл бұрын

I think it's safe to say no one has studied that question more than me. They're a small impact weapon that punches above its weight. The selling point is that they're small and discreet but can drop someone if properly delivered. If not properly delivered, they'll hurt more than a fist but that's about it.

@KeninMT

7 ай бұрын

You have to practice. And like knowing how to slip a punch in boxing you have to be able to target a knockout area. The strike needs to be hard, but not so hard in certain areas or it can kill.

are coinsaps legal in California

@ObjectHistory

7 жыл бұрын

Technically yes. Could you still be convicted for using it, even for just carrying iit (at least possibly)... yes. E-mail me if you'd like to discuss in detail but be aware... I AM NOT A LAWYER :)

Are these illegal in Canada?

@ObjectHistory

2 жыл бұрын

It wouldn't surprise me. I was talking to a Canadian martial artist last year and was amazed at how restrictive the laws were based on what he told me. That being said there is more than one Canadian sap maker in business today but maybe they just export?

@alexdetrojan4534

Жыл бұрын

Legal to own, not legal to carry outside of your home...go figure. As a Canadian, I am frustrated by this.

The blackjack is much superior to the sap...in my "unprofessional" opinion.

@ObjectHistory

2 жыл бұрын

A lot of people do. From a comfort perspective (carrying and in hand) I prefer a sap.

Awesome thanks for the info.