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I don’t even care if Margaery was technically manipulating her, she was kind and never hurt Sansa and that makes her an infinitely better person than half the characters

@delta666SoT

2 жыл бұрын

Soft power is always preferable isn't it?

@harleyquinn5774

2 жыл бұрын

And even though Sansa was being manipulated, had the plot succeeded, Sansa would have (mostly) benefited from it as well.

@zoefang4563

Жыл бұрын

Like Lady Olenna said, there was never a more loved character than Margaery. You may call her biased, but it's true. Many loved Margaery.

@solamarpreet

Жыл бұрын

Tbf in that last convo she wasnt manipulating her. By that point tywin already arranged for sansa and tyrion to be married, so the tyrell plot had failed. She was there just as a friend trying to cheer sansa up and helping her make the best out of the situation.

@juliogomez278

Жыл бұрын

she is even better in the books

Margaery is a great example of how a good person can also be manipulative. We tend to associate manipulative behavior with bad people.

@jasmine-je4gv

3 жыл бұрын

Nice people are the most underrated manipulators

@Irv350

3 жыл бұрын

Margaery is not a good person; she was manipulating Sansa to steal the north. That is not "good" behavior imo.

@velaqrn7770

3 жыл бұрын

@@Irv350 she is a good person imo she did all of it for her family no mean person devotes their life to loving their family so much but I understand ur opinion

@morbidgirl6808

3 жыл бұрын

I can confirm it. I'm a nice person and my manipulation has good intentions. But it also sucks. Cause I have to save too many people from danger by manipulating and put others who weren't nice to others, in trouble...

@thenablade858

3 жыл бұрын

@@Irv350 Steal? Margaery wants to improve her family’s status, wealth and power but that doesn’t necessarily mean she’s horrible. At this point in time, Sansa never wanted to rule over the North. She only wanted safety, which is definitely what Loras would’ve offered her.

Margaery manipulated Sansa, but honestly Margaery even with all that manipulation tried to put Sansa's out of harm's way, and I think that speaks a lot about Margaery's character.

@garlantyrell6368

Жыл бұрын

She may have cared about her well being in a way but I don’t think she would die for her or do anything risky though. Only to an extent.

@jamie-ug5wz

Жыл бұрын

@@garlantyrell6368 who would expect that

I loved how Margaret paused and considered whether Sansa was serious about her mother teaching her, she might have been implying that she has slept around. But Margaret eventually realized Sansa was so innocent and was genuinely asking if her mother taught her 😂😂

@philippeblais8594

Жыл бұрын

I wouldn't be too surprised if it was Margeary's grandmother who taught her. Considering Margeary is Olenna's protege.

Even though the Tyrells lost Sansa as their pawn Margaery did still go outta her way to be friendly and nice towards Sansa instead of just cutting her off completely after marriage attempts broke down. This is why Margaery was one of the best characters

@garlantyrell6368

Жыл бұрын

Despite the little queen being manipulative, ambitious, and cunning, I do believe she showed herself to be genuinely capable of being kind and compassionate to certain people.

@jamie-ug5wz

Жыл бұрын

better than the book

It's funny that Sophie Turner and Natalie Dormer are both Blonde and blue-eyed and yet they both look better with darker hair colours. Sophie looks better as a redhead and Natalie looks better as a brunette

@ARCtrooperblueleader

4 жыл бұрын

@Aldon Blackreyne - I completely agree. Specially the hairstyle/tone here.

@ishtarbabylon4869

3 жыл бұрын

Sophie is a natrual redhead actually

@George-Hawthorne

3 жыл бұрын

@@ishtarbabylon4869 No she's blonde look it up.

Margaery slipping in "pretty girls" as an option for what women might possibly find attractive and then not so subtley implying that she's tried them all is just about the best thing I think I've ever heard. We stan a proud bisexual queen. It's just a shame that Sansa was too naïve to notice at the time. That could have been a very interesting conversation.

@thelimon4338

Жыл бұрын

I’m pretty sure she’s only done it with girls because she most likely doesn’t want to get pregnant

@jamangel

Жыл бұрын

BI ICON

@analauramorelrocha2383

Жыл бұрын

I thought it was lowkey flirting

@danksmeme698

Жыл бұрын

Margaery was smart and was willing to do anything to climb the social ladder, be it bump up against a woman or try to please a gay man. Girl never stopped the grind and was up for it all.

@analauramorelrocha2383

Жыл бұрын

@@danksmeme698 bump up? I don't get it, its some kind of term?

Guys, I don't think Margaery is gay. She's *bisexual* .

@juhibhalla5440

2 жыл бұрын

OMG yes she has major bi vibes

@mooneymagic4521

2 жыл бұрын

I wish her and Sansa had a relationship but with the age difference between the actors it would have been inappropriate.

@lysilia7523

Жыл бұрын

@@mooneymagic4521 In the show, yes, but in the book, Margaery is only three years older than Sansa^^

@garlantyrell6368

Жыл бұрын

I don’t think so. If she really did like Sansa it was either in a little sibling way or in just a friendly one. Same with Renly honestly. And I know she hated Joffrey’s guts but as for Tommen, she may have had a small liking to his initiate endurance.

@jamangel

Жыл бұрын

Fr bi icon

I honestly believe that Sansa and Margaery really were friends and liked each other. Sure Margaery was manipulating her and using her claim to strengthen her house but at the same time, she never turned on Sansa or betrayed her, even when the betrothal between her and Loras didn’t happen and she never put her in danger either in any of her schemes. She was manipulative but not a cruel person at all because she didn’t actually kill anyone. She knew when to be cunning and intelligent but she also knew how to be kind and compassionate like how her grandmother was. And when her and Olenna’s secret plans for Sansa failed, Margaery was still nice to the girl even when there was no benefit in spending time with her since she was to wed a Lannister and not a Tyrell. Plus, she also knew how much Sansa would’ve benefited in marrying her brother anyway because even though he was gay, he still would’ve treated her with respect and dignity because he was a kind, chivalrous man who wasn’t genuinely cruel either. In the end, I believe Margaery genuinely cared for Sansa to an extent and really was a real friend to her in a way. She saw the benefits of having her on her and her family’s side but I also think she had a genuine fondness for the girl and felt truly bad for her too.

@goatlover6312

8 ай бұрын

I like to think that Margery’s priorities were. 1: Herself and her family. 2: Friends (Sansa included). 3: People of the kingdom. If she could she would make everyone safe and happy. If she had to choose she would let the other two die without hesitation. She is generally a decent person but does not let morals get in the way of getting what she wants.

Damn I wish there’d been more scenes of just the two of them. And made their friendship a larger part of the show.

I wish Sansa and Loras married and Sansa still good friends with Margaery.

@jessica9485

4 жыл бұрын

Loras is gay

@ARCtrooperblueleader

4 жыл бұрын

@Holy Jesus - Same here.

@gfilmer7150

4 жыл бұрын

I think if Margaery escaped KL around the ep 2-4 timeline and return to The Reach, she might send troops North to help her old friend Sansa retake her home.

@victorianichnadowicz1770

3 жыл бұрын

‘‘Tis the nature of GOT, that would be too good

@buteravalente9332

2 жыл бұрын

@@jessica9485 Still she'd be happier being married to a gay man with a conscience than joffrey an illegitimate hateful twat.

4:03 Margarey asks them their names like school teachers who ask for names to deduct scores as a penalty

"Yes sweet girl my mother taught me"

I know that Margaery was manipulating Sansa, however I’d like to think she still genuinely cared about the safety of Sansa.

@garlantyrell6368

Жыл бұрын

I agree. Although Margaery manipulated and used Sansa, she never put the girl in danger at all and she gave her an out in escaping King’s Landing. It was a power play but it would’ve benefited Sansa too. Her marriage to Loras would’ve given her protection, allow her to be far away from Baelish and the Lannisters, and she would be safe in Highgarden with a kind, chivalrous man in Loras. Despite his preferences, I don’t think he had any intentions on harming Sansa and I believe he felt bad for her position as well as Margaery. He seemed ok with the match overall and at best, he would’ve grown to care for Sansa as a surrogate sister. Their marriage would probably end up like Laenor and Rhaenyra’s marriage where they cared about each other but weren’t in love with each other. And the other Tyrells knew that Sansa would’ve benefited so well. In the end, I believe Margaery genuinely cared for Sansa and really was a true friend to her alongside Loras.

the casting for this show was so brilliant

I think Margery really tried to save Sansa. She saw Sansa as a young girl that needed guidance and love. She was so gentle with her. I wish they had more time together

I LOVE Sansa and Margaery's bond.

@garlantyrell6368

3 ай бұрын

And yet the cousins abandoned her when she married Tyrion. At least Margaery appeared to feel bad for her at the wedding.

Makes me sad that Sansa experienced so much agony at the hands of the men she was married off to (except Tyrion obv) and could never experience actual love. Sansa would probably never get married again/fall in love because of all her trauma.

@teamblack204

3 жыл бұрын

The actress Sophie Turner (Sansa) comfirmed that Sansa would be happier with women after everything she lived with mens. She also said that she would fall for Margaery judging by their relationship.

@lazuruswolf6668

Жыл бұрын

@@teamblack204 She also stated Jon helped restore her faith in men.

@teamblack204

Жыл бұрын

@@lazuruswolf6668 Jon was his cousin/half brother though. So even if he helped her to restore her faith in men, it's probably not in a romantic way

@saatvikkalra6061

Жыл бұрын

@@teamblack204 eh it's game of thrones, anything is possible lmao

9:13 did margaery just???????? GAY

@dforman4770

4 жыл бұрын

I'm cool wit it

@teamblack204

4 жыл бұрын

9:12 Yep, she did ;)

@teamblack204

4 жыл бұрын

@@dforman4770 Sophie Turner said that she would be happier to see Sansa with womens after everything she went through. Sophie also said Sansa and Margaery would make a nice couple♡

@alicebecker5122

4 жыл бұрын

Lucifer Morningstar she’s such a queen

@teamblack204

4 жыл бұрын

@@alicebecker5122 Agreed :)

#sansaery

Margaery: "Pretty girls" Me screaming to Sansa on screen: SHE IS FLIRTING WITH YOU D****SS, KISS HER (Had to censor the word because for some reason KZread wouldn't let me post it otherwise lol)

@AtheAetheling

5 ай бұрын

She was not.

@lilyevans5198

5 ай бұрын

@@AtheAetheling No shit, dude. I wasn't being serious but you sure are a delight at parties

Margery is the only Queen people truly loved. In a way,she won.

My gaydar BROKE watching them it’s kinda annoying they’ve been separated :(

hahaha Sansa was such a child when she was talking to Margaery. Margeary on the other hand...lol. Too bad Sansa's innocence was ripped away from her and she was forced to grow hardened fast

lesbian queens

@jamangel

Жыл бұрын

*bi queens

@mandash4762

6 ай бұрын

​@@jamangelhetero queen* I guess

Man, I'd forgotten how Margaery put Tyrion over as a decent human being and an experienced lover. Both true statements. She was def. queen material.

Say what you will about Margaery being a manipulator, but she didn’t have to comfort Sansa about having to marry Tyrion. She didn’t have to be so gentle and kind to her, especially not after the loris plan fell through. She didn’t have to low-key reveal that she’d had experience with different types of men and maybe even some women, she didn’t realize Sansa would be so innocent to not understand and she told her all that, because she genuinely cared for Sansa, and she hated seeing her so miserable

Chess is all about strategy and tactics. Learning how to read and study your opponents moves in order to take over their Queen and King. Thats why chess pieces emulate a kingdom

Was Sansa praying for Joffrey's death?

@lazuruswolf6668

2 жыл бұрын

I would.

@splintercell320

Жыл бұрын

I find it awkward that Margaery said she was praying for the end of the war which if you think about it would mean either Robb loses or the Tyrells/Lannisters lose. Margaery basically said to Sansa I hope your brother dies to end this war, but in a nice political way.

@garlantyrell6368

Жыл бұрын

No, I think she just wanted an end to the war so she can have a peaceful rule as the Queen after she married Joffrey.

WTF THANK YOUUU

Margaery was like an older sister to Sansa- manipulative but at the end of the day she still has your best interests at heart.

Take a look at the background character in 2:44 its like seeing two Margaery.

6:09 The thought of leaving the hellhole that she has been in. The thought of having a life she has always dreamt of. Sophie turner couldnt have done more to Sansa's portrayal.

Despite Margaery being manipulative at first, I think she genuinely grew fond of Sansa and wanted to be an older sister figure to her. It was nice to see Sansa get treated better after her imprisonment as Joffrey’s fiancée.

Sansa always liked the Tyrell’s.

gAY

I think my favorite part is the first part: Margaery puts her hand on the small of Sansa’s back when walking her. It shows comfort and safety. She never betrayed Sansa.. and in fact offered her a place at Highgarden to get away from King’s Landing.

While it seemed like manipulation I think Margaery was interested in Sansa

I love how Margaery said they should be friend and never proceed to talk to Sansa for the rest of the series

Olenna was brilliant lol typical grandmother! Doesn’t give a fuck what she says lol

Natalie Dormer is so gorgeous - who else thinks she looks like Michelle Trachtenberg from Buffy and Gossip Girl?

@kene301187

5 жыл бұрын

Michelle Trachtenberg should be so lucky.

@gfilmer7150

4 жыл бұрын

Natalie's a national treasure

Beautiful 😍girls actress ever them and olivia cooke aka alicent hightower are the most beautiful 😍girls ever love them kiss 💋😘

THEY CANONICALLY HAVE BUBBLES??

Tyrells had to be manipulators because that's how they survived. At those times survival came either from war or intelligence and manipulation. But at least the Tyrells were also generally kind hearted and not raging and psychopathic beasts like others.

Robb and Margaery would have produced Warm cute Stark-Tyrell children, the two families with highest degree of love without incest (except if you consider Loras and Renly Baratheon ofcourse). I wonder if the Queen in the North and her Sister find love in minor Tyrell cousins. They are just Clever Starks or you can say Loving Lannisters.

They were girlfriends. They told me themselves.

🇦🇴🇦🇴 obrigado aprendi muito...e não se preocupes muito com a pronúncia...porque mesmo nas séries algumas pronúncias mudaram❤

@5.45

4.50

Just noticed, when they're walking down the stairs why is Natalie walking like that?? She looks stiff

She's a child.

Who else is gay and depressed

If only Tyrion wasn’t accidentally framed for Joffrey’s murder. Sansa and Tyrion would have kids eventually-raising with Tommen and Margaery’s kids. Doesn’t seem so horrible.

Lesbians?

Margaery was only manipulating her

@thatlonelygiraffeinc.6989

2 жыл бұрын

Nah Margery is a good person, if she acted like ned stark she wouldnt last a day in Kings landing. Hell, he lasted a few months, and he was a man, and one of the most powerful men in westeros

@henriquemoraes1478

2 жыл бұрын

@@thatlonelygiraffeinc.6989 good people can manipulate too, she manipulates Joffrey and Tommen too

@meowwhatever4083

2 жыл бұрын

yeah, i think she was but i also think she genuinely cared for sansa because she really couldnt have gained that much from manipulating her

@garlantyrell6368

Жыл бұрын

Well none of Margaery’s schemes have ever put Sansa in harm’s way or gotten her killed right? That speaks a lot for her character and despite the cunning queen having an agenda with Sansa, she never did turn on her did she? Even after the Tyrell plot to wed Sansa to Loras failed she still spent lots of time with her consoling her on her marriage to Tyrion. And even beforehand when her and Olenna were plotting to wed Sansa to Loras, they knew that Sansa would’ve been safe and happy in Highgarden than in King’s Landing and that she would’ve been with a kind, decent, chivalrous husband in Loras. Gay or not I believe Loras would’ve treated her well. And Margaery knew that as well. I believe she genuinely cared about Sansa on some level and to an extent and truly wanted to help her out as well as strengthening herself and her family’s positions.

@solamarpreet

Жыл бұрын

Not in the end when the plan to wed her to loras had failed. In the last convo you can clearly see that shes trying to cheer sansa up even though theres nothing more tyrells can do with sansa

7:50 this is why I don't like Sansa Stark. Who saved her in the throne room when Joffrey had his Kingsgaurd beat her, who offered her a way out of that marriage, which she refused? You can never convince me to give one shred of shit about Sansa. She didn't deserve what she went through but scenes like this, the way she treats people who have been kind to her. She just irritates me.

@garlantyrell6368

4 ай бұрын

Well, it’s understandable why she would be a little wary of Tyrion. Despite his sympathy for her, he’s still a Lannister, born in the family that took away her’s. And before, both Joffrey and Cersei seemed to be caring towards Sansa but that was all a lie the moment they took her father’s head. Of course she would have doubts about Tyrion or anyone in King’s Landing.

@nutter789

4 ай бұрын

​@@garlantyrell6368 Tyrion literally saved her life and kept her safe. She had every reason to trust him.

@nutter789

4 ай бұрын

​@@garlantyrell6368Joffrey was an arranged marriage that fell apart after they ordered Ladys' death. Cersi was a hateful, jealous woman that picked on everyone. Sansa wasn't the only person to feel her wrath. The one person she chooses to trust wholeheartedly is Littlefinger, the man who told her "we're all liars here" which in fact could've locked her in a paranoid mindset. "Everyone is your enemy, everyone is your friend..."

@PhebusdesTours

2 ай бұрын

Sansa wanted to appreciate Tyrion's kindness but thought he wasn't to be trusted since he was still a Lannister, the queen's brother, and the man who set the Blackwater ablaze for his inbred monster of a nephew. She had loved and trusted Joffrey and Cersei and had determined she didn't want to do that mistake again. Not to mention she had already been abused by Kingsguards on a daily basis and was pretty much traumatised. Again, Tyrion didn't necessarily defend Sansa for her sake, remember Jaime was still a prisoner of the Northerners back then and Tyrion probably feared they would retaliate if Robb or Cat found out about what Joffrey was doing to Sansa.

@nutter789

2 ай бұрын

@@PhebusdesTours Tyrion absolutely defended Sansa for her sake, he pitied her and tried to help her. He even challenged the King in the throne room with multiple witnesses. After they married, did Sansa suffer? Was she beaten, tortured, or even harassed after the wedding? No. Because Tyrion protected her, like he promised he would. What Tyrion did at the Battle of Blackwater he did to save himself. He knew Stannis would've killed him, any man would've done the same. Though, I do understand and agree with you on that. Sansa would've likely held that against him because we all know Stannis wouldn't have her hurt. Ned did support his claim after all. Honestly, Tyrion was good for her. She was safe, for a while.