I've referred to the BART lines by colors in the script, in order to simplify the narration. In real life, lines are referred to by their end points, as shown in the legend.

@QuarioQuario54321

2 жыл бұрын

The new trains announce their colors

@tonyyee86

2 жыл бұрын

We used to call the trains by their end points and still do, but I was surprised recently that the announcements on the trains refer them by their colors on a recent trip. Most likely done to help with wayfinding on the network.

@jpfitzgibbon1

2 жыл бұрын

Once the fleet has been replaced, line colour will be more important in communicating the lines.

@alexanderip1003

2 жыл бұрын

I would definitely refer to the BART Lines by Colors forever (this was also practiced for *Chicago's L Trains) *Red, Orange, Yellow, Green, Blue, Purple, Brown and Pink I hope both BART and Chicago L Would use **these colors if they came up with a new line **Indigo, Silver, Gold

@johnplampin7274

2 жыл бұрын

@@alexanderip1003 I believe the pink line in Chicago was supposed to be silver. They even had a press release announcing it. Then they decided on pink for breast cancer awareness since the line goes near Rush and Cook County hospitals.

BART has the most hilariously indecisive routing of any system. "Extend to SFO, no extend to Millbrae, no we extend to both, no let's put one line to SFO and the other to Millbrae, no we put two lines to SFO and two to Millbrae." I can imagine many sleepless nights for the poor engineers on that project.

@frojo9

2 жыл бұрын

"Just make it one long station connected by breezeway. The jerks can walk!"

@IndigoSolution

2 жыл бұрын

BART's route planning along that route reminds me of trying to find the most comfortable sleeping position at 3 am.

@jpfitzgibbon1

2 жыл бұрын

The primary reasons for changes between San Bruno, Millbrae, and SFO had to do with train car availability. And because SamTrans early in the project had no idea what they were doing. However, now because the fleet is growing overall with the introduction of the new cars, additional cars needed to extend the Red Line to SFO was made possible. It makes sense that one of the most important pieces of regional infrastructure, SFO, now has 8 trains per hour weekdays and 4 TPH weekends.

@isroying

2 жыл бұрын

SFO-Millbrae should've been AirTrain

@jpfitzgibbon1

2 жыл бұрын

@RoboJules also it was SamTrans that “owned” that part of the network and looking at their design configuration, well you understand. BART now is just trying to make it work as best as possible given constraints.

Y’know, I used to think I was indecisive, but then I saw BART with SFO and Millbrae and realized it could be worse

@Saxshoe

2 жыл бұрын

I used to think I was indecisive, but now I'm not so sure.

@Lilchrisdistrict4

2 жыл бұрын

Damm They keep changing the line from Millbrae and sfo

Fun fact: You can still see the remnants of Eureka Station when passing through the Muni Metro subway. The most obvious marker are the two gated portals to the surface where the streetcars used to enter/exit the Twin Peaks Tunnel, but if you watch the sides of the tunnel just prior to entering Castro Station (heading eastbound), you can see a couple of the old benches that marked Eureka's former platform.

@peteralbert1485

2 жыл бұрын

The famous "Ghost Station!"

@RaymondHng

2 жыл бұрын

You can still see the sidewalk entrances to the defunct Eureka Station. They are on the wider sidewalk on the northeast and southeast corners of the intersection at Market and Eureka in front of 2650 Market Street and 2645 Market Street. The openings are covered by a metal door.

Useless factoid: The very, very end of the T - Line tracks are in San Mateo County. If train pulls as far forward as it can, about half of the front door is in San Mateo County.

@TohaBgood2

Жыл бұрын

Hey that's not useless at all! Maybe we can all sneak into the facility and manually extend the tracks by a few more feet. Once a Bart train's nose fully crosses the San Mateo County Rubicon, we can just claim "BART dominion" and force SM County to extend the line all the way to the Santa Clara border! 😁 Seriously though, why BART hasn't been extended in the median of the 101 I will never understand. It's literally right there and removing a lane from the 101 would actually reduce traffic up and down the Peninsula. I guess the Peninsula hatred of traffic is much weaker than their hatred of "poor people".

@qjtvaddict

Жыл бұрын

@@TohaBgood2 umm the Caltrain already serves that corridor and will soon do so with frequent service. I don’t know why you think such a duplication is necessary.

@TohaBgood2

Жыл бұрын

@@qjtvaddict The vast majority of employers are clustered around the 101. This includes a few "megacampuses" and tons and tons of smaller clusters. The Valley grew largely around the 101 not around the Caltrain corridor. A rail line in the median of the 101 would simply be closer to more employment centers than a rail line in the Caltrain corridor. This would layer onto the natural advantages of having single-seat rides from both San Francisco and the northern East Bay as well as from San Jose and the southern East Bay. But there are also built in advantages. For example, a dreaded highway median rail line would be fully grade separated from day one. It would necessarily have to replace highway lanes with rail which has at least 5x higher capacity and zero emissions. There are also connectivity advantages to having parallel rail lines that cover currently car-only areas but have robust transfer points. And of course, a BART ring around the Bay would allow for much better service on the existing BART alignment through San Francisco itself making Caltrain just another BART line.

@InTeCredo

Жыл бұрын

@@qjtvaddict Duplication is necessary. CalTrain has horrendous seats and very uncomfortable. We would have to transfer at Millbrae or King/4th stations if we want to continue to East Bay. I would rather take BART than CalTrain...

@emvvehicles_8

9 ай бұрын

@@qjtvaddict of course it’s necessary, Bart can make the stops in cities Caltrain skips.

I just came back from the year 2050 and they still haven't figured out how to serve Millbrae and SFO

@TohaBgood2

Жыл бұрын

The reason why they are trying different patterns is actually equipment availability. The old fleet was really getting old in the tooth and they had perpetual car shortages so they went to a different SFO service pattern to reduce the number of trains they would need. Then when the new cars started coming into service they switched back. Then it turned out that Bombardier messed up the cars and they had to reverse to the "car shortage" service pattern system-wide. Now the new cars seem to have been fixed and are entering service in force. So BART is switching back. There's nothing indecisive about this. It's just equipment management with an extremely constrained fleet.

RIP Bay Bridge rail service. Damn, how awesome it would be if we still had that today.

@NozomuYume

2 жыл бұрын

The Key System was another victim of National City Lines (General Motors/Standard Oil/Firestone Tires). They never got their hands on Muni thankfully, though Muni still suffered from the must-switch-to-buses mania of the era, shutting down most of its lines including the absolutely vital B Geary line. This video doesn't show all the lines that were shut down, but the city was absolutely covered in them. The only lines that survived were the ones that used tunnels which couldn't ventilate bus fumes, and the J which used rights of way that would have been expensive to repave for buses. This let them survive just long enough that the tide could turn a bit to stop the tunnels and RoW from being turned into auto infrastructure like what happened to the easier-to-ventilate Stockton and Broadway tunnels.

@two-face1041

2 жыл бұрын

I mean yes but now we have the BART which is essentially does the same thing

@TohaBgood2

Жыл бұрын

@@two-face1041 Not really! The Key System connected all around the megaregion. You could even get to Sacramento on an electric train! It's kind of insane to think that we have probably one of the best electric rail networks in the world and just scrapped it because GM and Firestone wanted to sell more cars and tires. Ugh!

Three things are certain in life: Death, Taxes and BART changing service to Milbrae/SFO for the 20th time. Incredible video, was anticipating this for a while and you delivered!

@RoyAlexander214

Жыл бұрын

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BART Simpson Rapid Transit be like wirting this stuff on the blackboard: I will not change service patterns to SFO and Millbrae. I will not change service patterns to SFO and Millbrae. I will not change service patterns to SFO and Millbrae. I will not change service patterns to SFO and Millbrae. I will not change service patterns to SFO and Millbrae. I will not change service patterns to SFO and Millbrae. I will not change service patterns to SFO and Millbrae. I will not change service patterns to SFO and Millbrae. I will not change service patterns to SFO and Millbrae. I will not change service patterns to SFO and Millbrae. I will not change service patterns to SFO and Millbrae. I will not change service patterns to SFO and Millbrae. I will not change service patterns to SFO and Millbrae. I will not change service patterns to SFO and Millbrae....

@metadexter

2 жыл бұрын

So funny! Yeah I was like what’s up with them changing the SFO and Millbrae lines constantly?

@cardenasr.2898

2 жыл бұрын

Ay caramba!

@AVeryRandomPerson

2 жыл бұрын

@@metadexter In the 2000s, SamTrans, which built and owned the line, wanted changes to make it profitable, and eventually to cut losses, until BART bought them out to stop the constant chnages

@erianda

2 жыл бұрын

LOL everytime I go through BART that way I have to check and see what the SFO and Millbrae routing is doing THIS MONTH

Awesome video!! There were quite a number of additional streetcar lines in SF. 1941 there were 41 streetcar lines but that would have been a huge undertaking to delineate and research probably necessitating a dedicated video due to the complexity of the network. Most were replaced by buses using the same route number so the 31 Balboa streetcar became the 31 Balboa bus. The numbered streetcar lines were run by the Market Street Railway. The MUNI ran the lettered streetcar lines such as the B Geary, C Geary/California, D Geary/Van Ness, E Union, F Stockton, and the H Potrero in addition to the J Church, K Ingleside, L Taraval, M Oceanside, and N Judah that we know today. The Stockton tunnel was built for the E and F lines. The B and C lines on Geary were the last streetcar lines to be converted to bus in the late 1950s. The T Line uses a new letter not used before. Now, the MUNI is building a BRT on Geary although it really needs light rail service. There were also short lived MUNI lines such as the A Geary Park, the G and I Exposition lines, and the O Van Ness line.

@ivanoffw

2 жыл бұрын

I am glad someone else mentioned this. It's as if these other lines never existed, because they don't exist today.

@SamAronow

2 жыл бұрын

There’s a video about this. Look up “San Francisco Railroads every year.”

@qolspony

2 жыл бұрын

Wow. This is more informative concerning Muni than this entire video. I still feel muni should have been a separate topic for this video or just the entire bay area rail services (excluding Amtrak of course). He even mentions BRT, but not Caltrain or VAT in San Jose.

@paxundpeace9970

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks a lot but why aren't they mentioned in the video i am disappointed.

@RaymondHng

2 жыл бұрын

@@qolspony Caltrain and VTA are in separate videos.

The entire Key System in 1939: *Bonjour* The entire Key System in 1958: *Bro I'm outta here*

@NozomuYume

2 жыл бұрын

The infrastructure for the Key System was actually already there long before -- it started in 1902, but the streetcars has to cross to SF via train ferry. There was an even older service called East Bay Electric. The big improvement in 1939 was the Transbay Terminal which let trains use the then-new bridge conveniently. It was very briefly also served by East Bay Electric and Sacramento Northern (You could ride all the way from Chico to downtown SF on it!), but after 1941 it was only used by the Key System.

Any day we get a Vanishing Underground video is a good day.

Wow there's a lot here! Living in Emeryville (near Oakland/Berkeley), it's fairly depressing constantly traversing relics of the extensive urban rail system that used to exist here. You can see it all over the street layout and in so many little things. I work in an office that has photos of Berkeley pre-WWII: tracks up and down Shattuck and 40th St Oakland. The rusting skeleton of the 16th Oakland Station still stands today. There's a plaque for the Key Terminal at San Pablo Ave that's now a gated parking lot. A newly renovated museum near the Bay Bridge that was a Key facility. West Oakland itself is still littered with half buried street tracks from local factories. Photos at a local park of how the system used to extend over the hills to Sacramento. The area almost got a local rail revival in the 90s as AC Transit begged for regional planning dollars, but they were instead awarded to build the Dublin-Pleasanton BART line - that enabled more greenfield development way out on the edge of the Bay - and the plan died.

LMAO, how many times did they change the service pattern between Milbrae & SFO? 🤣🤣🤣

@harrisonofcolorado8886

2 жыл бұрын

I dunno, but when I was in San Fran last spring, the SFO-Milbrae line was still in Operation. I dunno if it's ridership changes or what, but they just won't make up their minds, probably won't stick on a single extension anytime soon, I probably wouldn't be surprised if BART changed service between Millbrae and SFO in the next couple of months or years.

@timothytao898

2 жыл бұрын

8 times, according to this video

@7linearmy336

2 жыл бұрын

@@timothytao898 after the 3rd time I would figure out that something isn't working

@yesid17

2 жыл бұрын

@@timothytao898 dude i live in millbrae i use millbrae station to get to work every day i can tell you it changed 8 times in the past year alone they can not make up their minds-recently I had to bike home from the airport bc the yellow line was revised and i didn't realize until it was too late

@timothytao898

2 жыл бұрын

@@yesid17 LOL. Must be awful, having such service unpredictability.

I'm surprised you didn't mention the further BART extension into San Jose. EDIT: Don't take this as a criticism, I really enjoy your videos and the amount of detail you put into this was spectacular.

@tonyyee86

2 жыл бұрын

Funding still needs to be approved for San Jose 2.0 and given the inflation of it's cost, it's been thrown into limbo.

@gabeabatecola5137

2 жыл бұрын

@@tonyyee86 im 21 years old right now, hopefully by the time im 40 I can take the BART from Downtown San Jose to SF haha

@TohaBgood2

Жыл бұрын

@@tonyyee86 Most of the funding is already secured. They've awarded the construction contract and will break ground in the next 12 months. It's fine to make fun of inefficient transportation projects, but in this case this looks like it's happening soon. But I have a wide selection of highway construction boondoggles for you to criticize that somehow never get criticized even though they are more expensive, serve fewer people, need more costly repairs more often, and go over budget by more money 😁

@shabtech

Жыл бұрын

@@TohaBgood2 Haha yes

You forgot about BART's Silicon Valley Phase 2 extension plans! From Berryessa it will extend into downtown San Jose and back up into Santa Clara, hitting 28th Street/Little Portugal, Downtown San Jose at Market Street, and Diridon Station.

@riveraJG

2 жыл бұрын

VTA sucks tho

@Absolute_Zero7

2 жыл бұрын

Vanishing Underground's rule for future extensions is that only projects that have their construction tendered are included. Planned/Proposed projects are not.

@qjtvaddict

Жыл бұрын

Ha too expensive

Service to SFO Airport/Millbrae timeline: June 2003: Purple Line between Millbrae and SFO, Blue line to SFO and Yellow line to Millbrae February 2004: Red line to SFO via Millbrae, Yellow line to Millbrae via SFO, Purple line discontinued September 2004: Red line to Millbrae via SFO, Yellow line to Millbrae via SFO September 2005: Blue line to Millbrae via SFO January 2008: Red and Blue line to Millbrae, Yellow line to SFO. September 2009: Red line to Millbrae, Yellow line to Millbrae via SFO February 2019 (Old habits never die): Purple line reintroduced, Red line to Millbrae, Yellow line to Millbrae via SFO February 2020: Purple Line between Millbrae and SFO, Red line to Millbrae, Yellow line to SFO August 2021: Purple line discontinued (Again), Red line to SFO via Millbrae, Yellow line to SFO What the actual fuck guys

@AVeryRandomPerson

2 жыл бұрын

SamTrans happened

@tangnimate1781

2 жыл бұрын

its gone again

@the_ratmeister

2 жыл бұрын

@@tangnimate1781 Crap missed one

@tangnimate1781

2 жыл бұрын

@@the_ratmeister They should extend the SFO AirTrain red line to Millbrae station. This will benefit CalTrain riders because does not require another transfer onto BART and it is free. The Blue Line also goes a pretty long distance to long-term parking so I guess it's justified.

@NozomuYume

2 жыл бұрын

@@tangnimate1781 In addition there should be check-in terminals and baggage check at Millbrae, at least for carriers in Star Alliance, Skyteam and Oneworld, since you would only need one kiosk for each organization. If Southwest got their own as well that would cover well over 90% of passengers at SFO. Jetblue isn't part of Oneworld but I think their system is compatible since they have to interoperate with American. They could add a couple special baggage car terminals to the AirTrain to support this.

eBART should have just been an extension of the Millbrae+SFO-Pittsburg/Bay Point Line

@nomadMik

2 жыл бұрын

I wished for that, too, but US communities baulk at spending any real money on public transport, so cheaper-in-the-short-term bandaids are generally the best we get.

@qjtvaddict

2 жыл бұрын

@@nomadMik well maybe public transport would be easier to build without NEPA and NIMBYs using it

@RaymondHng

2 жыл бұрын

@JesusMyLordNSavior Official The diesel multiple unit eBART light rail system cost $463 million. If BART were to extend the line with conventional trains and tracks, the cost would increase to $1.2 billion.

@TohaBgood2

Жыл бұрын

​@@RaymondHng That's wasn't an apples to apples comparison. The eBART that ended up being built has nothing close to the capacity that regular BART would have had. Consequently, most of the costs will actually come when it's time to upgrade the line for more capacity. But it's always cheaper to built it right the first time rather than build and then rebuild correctly! The only real advantage that eBART had was that it was theoretically possible to easily extend the line via old freight track all the way out to Brentwood and maybe beyond. Perhaps one day linking up with the San Joaquins, the new ACE, and CAHSR on the Sacramento spur. Predictably, the host freight railroad blocked that pipedream just like everyone said they would. They always block any expansion of passenger rail if they can! And now we're back to square one with that toy line soon needing capacity upgrades. The reason why BART extensions are so incredibly expensive to build is that we never build any and no one gets any experience building them. We only do this about every 10 years. And every time by the time we need to do another extension everyone who knew how to do it is always already retired or moved on. We need to just commit to slow and steady system expansion - one station per year on any of the existing lines. That way we can get some economies of scale for a change!

@InTeCredo

Жыл бұрын

@@RaymondHng Yet, the volatile cost of diesel fuel and the cost of building the separate maintenance yard and training the technicians and operators would cost more over longer period of time. Using diesel fuel does contradict the California's green agenda that Democrats are so hell-bent on pushing.

this is the most chaotic system evolution I've ever seen. incredible how you made sense of it and put it into a continuous video - bravo!

Good ol BART. Grew up with it for 24 years. Sadly it’s experiencing its “NYC 70s / 80s” moment. Crime is up, trains are breaking down, not enough $$$$ to fund repairs and projects. But I am hopeful things will turn around soon… And as for the SFO Millbrae Shuttle, they just can’t seem to make up their minds on what to do. Keep the purple or not keep it… I say keep it!

@AshmewStudios

2 жыл бұрын

Hopefully the new infrastructure package that was passed recently will help. And yes, the old Bart trains are breaking down and crime is up. Hopefully things turn around

@ericthedomos

2 жыл бұрын

The new bart trains are great but Im pretty sure they will be ruined by the homeless and krazies :(

@east_bay_transit_nerd

2 жыл бұрын

@@ericthedomos they unfortunately kind of are…

@opwave79

2 жыл бұрын

Agree that’s an unfortunate yet accurate analogy. The crime problem has given BART its current poor reputation. Was fun to ride back in the late 80s / early 90s for a weekend trip into the city. Now I just drive myself.

The current F line existed in the 1980s as a seasonal summer service but had a slightly different routing... went from Transbay to Market... than up Market to Deboce, through the yard and down Church st to 17th and from there to Castro.

@dwc1964

Жыл бұрын

In the '90s, I worked swing shift at Fremont & Market, getting out just in time to catch the last F-Market which stopped right outside the front door of my building after looping through the Transbay Terminal, turning left onto Market Street, then left on Noe to 17th & left again down to Church, thence right & out to the barn at Balboa. With my stop at 24th & Church right in there. My workplace gave us late-shifters free taxi vouchers, but I only used them if I missed the F-Market and was always sad about it.

Been waiting for this forever, very happy and good job doing all the work to cover the expansive network

Wow! You managed to cover these networks while nodding to the Caltrain and VTA networks you'd already covered and wisely drawing the line at the Bay Area rail extensions (BART, Caltrain, Muni Metro, VTA, SMART) still awaiting full funding. Really good job here! I have never seen a pre-Metro explanation of Muni's streetcar system quite like that. I think the three cable car lines would be a good addition. Yeah, they're popular with tourists, but they are still basic commute for some folks, especially those living on Nob Hill.

@dwc1964

Жыл бұрын

agreed - and especially now with the question of restoring cable car service, it's important to recognize, because it's what makes the Cable Car network so special: it's an iconic tourist attraction, being so quaint and geographically specific, enshrined in our City's anthem, but _the people who live here use it every day as transportation._ it's not just an indulgence for world travelers, it's necessary for working-class people to get around in the Nob Hill/Russian Hill area. So yeah, put the money into it. I used to have a group of friends who lived in a little cluster in the Tendernob right around Leavenworth and Hyde, and that's how I'd get from work downtown to whichever of their places we were hanging out at that night. Good times.

@InTeCredo

Жыл бұрын

I lived in Cole Hill for a few months and prefer to take cable car over Bus 30 Stockton that run through Chinatown. The Chinese people would jam pack themselves in the bus if it was the "last bus" ever despite several empty Bus 30 behind the Bus 30 and refused to move out of my way when I need to disembark in the Downtown. Utterly ridiculous behaviour!

I remember going on the trains and loving how spacious and large the seats were. Granted, that wouldn't work in the large city I live in as more room is needed for more people, and the seats take up too much space. Edit: I'm amazed how extensive their train lines are, especially since many American cities aren't really known for extensive public transportation.

@NozomuYume

2 жыл бұрын

They've removed a lot of the transverse seating on the new cars that BART and Muni got recently, to allow for more standing room. This was *badly* needed on Muni, though I think they overdid it a bit on BART.

@riveraJG

2 жыл бұрын

The Bay Area is home for more than 8.5 million ppl , and yes our public transportation is really nice and it's getting better

@ericchen6803

2 жыл бұрын

cries in 1 line of a glorified tram (Seattle)

@TohaBgood2

Жыл бұрын

The Bay Area was basically built on rail and has an extensive and very rich rail history. In fact, the pretty extensive rail system that you see here now isn't even 10% of what used to be there! So we did actually purge our rail transit just like all the other American cities. It's just that we had sooooooooo many lines that they couldn't remove them fast enough before the people started protesting. If you look at how extensive rail transportation was in the Bay Area, it's pretty crazy. You literally couldn't go more than two blocks without hitting another rail line in San Francisco or Oakland. We're gradually returning some of the lines, but the damage was so catastrophic that it will take us many decades just to get back everything that we lost.

@robertkendall6660

Жыл бұрын

@@riveraJG The nine counties generally listed as the Bay Area have a population of about 7.75 million, but five of those counties are irrelevant to this video. The four counties that are included have a population of 4.5 million, which was given a the beginning. He could’ve taken time to say as much, but he’s not incorrect for his purposes.

I’ve been waiting so long for this one! This is great!

@Pixelated216

2 жыл бұрын

Same

great video as always! it's wild to see that the bart to OAK line only opened 2014 I moved to the bay area in 2013 and I could have sworn it was older than that-also funny to see how many different configurations bart has tried for Millbrae/SFO-you didn't even count all of the revisions they made during/following the pandemic-it's been hard to keep track I accidentally ended up having to bike home from the airport recently bc I didn't realize they changed the yellow line terminus until it was too late

This is only 6 seconds shorter than your Boston video. As a New Yorker I’d not be surprised if that video is over an hour long and takes you two months… However I would gladly watch all of it!

Never mind all the streetcar lines we lost. Proverbially pouring one out for the Market Street Railway, all unmentioned Muni lines and the Key and East Bay Electric systems.

@MarloSoBalJr

2 жыл бұрын

It be damn near impossible to research all of that. All streetcars played a vital role but only a few were pivotal for the future that is today

As a subway fan in New York City, I am pleased to see a map of Muni and Bay Area Rapid Transit rail lines. I have wished to see BART. Your forum was made just for me.🙂👍

Since you included the Key System, I wish you had mentioned the San Mateo interurban service. You also left off all the Market Street Railway, commuter rail services, the cable cars, and the rail line that once went to The Cliff House. The Northwestern Pacific, Sacramento Northern, and SP East Bay service are also part of the Peninsula and East Bay transit story.

I just love these vanishing underground videos. Anytime I get a see a vanishing underground video, I make sure I watch it. Keep up that great job.

Extending BART to Berryessa was REALLY a big deal, because it means that one can now circle San Francisco Bay by rail via a few rail system transfers at single stations. For example, from Millbrae, get on the VTA light rail (orange line, serving Levi’s Stadium) and travel to the Mountain View station, then transfer to Caltrain and take Caltrain north to Millbrae, then transfer to BART and take BART to Balboa Park, then transfer to another BART line to take you back to Milpitas (the BART to BART transfer could be made at other stations of course). What still remains is for BART to extend to Livermore, and also for BART to somehow extend to San Rafael to have a shared station with SMART, which currently serves the San Rafael/Petaluma/Santa Rosa corridor but will soon be extended farther north and will (later) likely be extended east to serve Napa, Fairfield, etc. Another big deal was the advent of the Clipper Card, which can be used on virtually all Bay Area public transit now, making transfers between systems SO much easier than previously.

Love the content still waiting for Philadelphia

@largetman

2 жыл бұрын

And Chicago too.

@TrainSounds

2 жыл бұрын

Don’t forget to do San Juan and Santo Domingo as well.

Currently the J only runs to Duboce and Market on the surface; to go downtown you have to transfer at Church and Market. But otherwise a great job of explaining the history of the current lines.

@RaymondHng

2 жыл бұрын

The pandemic is the reason for this.

@dwc1964

Жыл бұрын

From the Future: They restored J-Church service to Embarcadero! I'm so glad of it too - not so much for the trips I had to make downtown, where getting off at Church/Market and transferring to the underground station was just a bit of an extra hassle, but for the trips I had to take up Van Ness, where having to transfer at Church/Market just to get off one station later and transfer _again_ to the 47/49 bus (with the special lane still under construction at the time) - _that_ was a major pain in the ass!

Excellent video! I love seeing the bay area's different rapid transit maps consolidated into one and I appreciate the addition of AC Transit's 1T line, although the line on your map isn't exactly accurate in the direction it's going lol. either way great job!

Looks like BART can't decide how to serve SFO and Milbrae "Let's do this." *years later* "Yeeeaaah no, I might do this instead." *repeat dozens of times*

@roachtoasties

2 жыл бұрын

lol.

@nomadMik

2 жыл бұрын

Luckily they put the infrastructure in place to make those sorts of changes easy. I do wish they'd just made two 101 crossings, though, so those two stations would just be in series. The AirTrain-BART-Caltrain run, each with a completely different ticketing system, must be hell for visitors, too.

@qjtvaddict

2 жыл бұрын

That shuttle was useless it would have been better to switch service to Caltrain

@NozomuYume

2 жыл бұрын

@@nomadMik The problem is that they built the SFO station as a terminus station, so anytime a train goes there there's a long wait while the "driver" (who doesn't really drive, just authorizes the train to move -- BART is fully automated, it was *really* advanced for the 1970's) walks to the other end of the train so it can change directions.

@nomadMik

2 жыл бұрын

@@NozomuYume Yes, that's exactly the problem. It should've just gone _through_ SFO, and terminate at Millbrae, instead of having a switchback. It's highly unlikely BART is ever going to be extended down the Peninsula, so two one-station branches, both big transport centres, is just crazy.

10 years and the subway extension to chinatown still isnt open

@blackchewy8435

2 жыл бұрын

Muni is no longer a transit system. It spends a lot of energy on “human resources “.......

I was surprised that not included in the earlier map, was the Geary St. trolley line. I say this, because a friend of mine once lived in an apartment building on Geary St. Not too far from the ocean. The cement passenger loading platform was still in the street when I visited there in 2009.

It's here! Thank you for making this vid

Boy, that was interesting! I was born in San Francisco and lived there for the first 40 years of my life and thought I know everything there was to know about BART and Muni, but I learned a lot. Keep up the excellent work.

i'm surprised you didn't mention how the J was cut back to church station during the pandemic

And now, effective January 2023, the T third Metro line has changed, connecting 4th and King to Chinatown with 3 new stops in between connecting Powell Station to the new Union Square/Market St. station, and eliminating stops between Powell to West Portal. SF has made such progress since the very beginning.

it never ceases to baffle me how cities of this size take forever to link their airport to the city. like la is *still* working on connecting lax to downtown

Thank you so very much got this very informative look at local rail service for the SF Bay Area! Great job!

Since lots are mention letters A - Geary then 10th Ave to GG park B - More less 38 C - Geary then 2nd Ave, Corwall, California St. D - Geary the Van Ness, then Union to Presidio E - More or less 41 F - More or less 30 G - Not used H - Van Ness, 11th (Yes they did that zig zag), more zig zagging Portero. Sort of 47 and 9 buses I - Not Used ------ The rest are still existing.

Very interesting and informative. My sister lives near the new T line extension and will likely be using it.

In 2022 The J Church To Folsom + Embarcadero K Ingleside Extend To Caltrain/Ballpark and Mission Bay Loop, And A Future L Taraval Extend Back West To Taraval + 48th Ave /Great Highway Ocean Beach

Cool! I know you cover mostly rail systems, but I’ve yet to see a comprehensive video on the evolution of the ferry boat system. We have a really good one here in the Bay Area.

Thanks for doing this video

there was a T-line from 6th and king to embarcadero only to service the ball park, before the N line to 6th and king.

@djmike2335

2 жыл бұрын

actually to ball park and Cal train service

Excellent! This was so fun to watch & learn about as a lifetime Bay Area resident & map fanatic.

K Ingleside trains were cut back to St Francis Circle and replaced by buses on Ocean Avenue for the Ocean Avenue Reconstruction and Improvement Project from February 2001 to June 7, 2003

I think they should add a Tempo BRT line along San Pablo Ave., from Oakland to Richmond.

Amazing Zach can keep up with the Millbrae SFO changes

The J line line actually stopped running underground to embarcadero, super annoying I might add.

@RaymondHng

2 жыл бұрын

That is a result from the pandemic.

This is very good info (as well as interesting history) as a new arrival in SF. The transit here is great, if not a little complicated

Thank you very informative!

The new Light rail line to SF Chinatown will be running in March of 2022 that’s the latest new from SF MUNI

Half of this video is just the constant re-routing of Millbrae and SFO connections lol

It was probably mentioned before, but the E Embarcadero streetcar line existed before 2016 as a weekend-only service. I rode it in 2009 already, not sure when it was actually opened, I think 2008.

It would be nice to also see a follow up video that includes the famous Cable Car which still operates. Also if any records exist about the street cars that used to run all over.

you got the J Line Wrong, the J line was cut back to the Church and Duboce Station

I was really hoping to see all the various streetcar lines that ran from the 1910s until they were discontinued in the 1950s, but there was no mention in this video. There are eight streetcar routes (A-Geary, B-Geary, C-Geary/California, D-Geary/Van Ness, E-Union, F-Stockton, H-Portero, and 40-San Mateo) operated by Muni that no longer exist.

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Extensive review. I doubt many who have lived in San Francisco their entire lives, know much of the rail networks' history.

@biglos9d

2 жыл бұрын

I just chalked it up to the Mandela Effect when I'd get into a train and see the map not look like how I remembered it.

Great video my new friend.

Current sfo arrangement is the best one. Also given CalMod which will turn Caltrain into a more frequent electric regional rail more like Bart it would make sense to include that

Fantastic .. Thanks for the memories….👍

7:00 - November 1973 - Both BART and MUNI streetcars are under Market Street in San Francisco.

@janettemcclelland2959

9 ай бұрын

BART started the Transbay run in 1973. The Muni subway didn't open until 1980 for the K,L,M and N on weekdays. It went 7 days a week in September 1982 when the J finally went into the subway.

Most transit systems: Let’s use numbers or letters or a combination of both and start from A and/or 1. San Francisco: What if we use letters but we start from J?

@andrew_ray

2 жыл бұрын

Maybe so as not to be discussed with Key lines A-H?

@uHnodnarB

2 жыл бұрын

@@andrew_ray Yeah I realized that later in the video haha, my bad. I never saw a line H tho. Did I just miss that part?

Very interesting; thank you.

The pictures make the stations look all clean - that's some good photoshop work.

Love from INDIA 🇮🇳 Jai Hind

Interesting to see that the early streetcar lines were really for streetcar suburbs. As some others noted, it is strange that the Key System goes unmentioned until it is finally connected with Muni via the Transbay connection. Caltrain is also missing, and we only get an offhand comment to bus service replacing some removed streetcar lines. When you fast forward through the 1950s to 1970s, what gets passed is the establishment of the BART authority, its initial construction and land acquisition. For the other missing transit pieces, I feel like this history gives us a history of the lines themselves, but not the reasoning for why service waxed or waned at any given point. For instance, streetcars were originally franchises awarded to private rail before being acquired by the City. Moreover, the late introduction of the J makes it seem like Bayview was underserviced -- but the Caltrain / Southern Pacific train line has been there since the early 20th century. Without the ferries, we also don't see how important ferries were to transbay travel before the bay bridge or how ferry commuting across the bay reaches into Marin, Sonoma, and Contra Costa counties.

@Absolute_Zero7

2 жыл бұрын

Caltrain was in a separate video

@opwave79

2 жыл бұрын

I’m a ferry commuter and yeah, I wonder if it wasn’t covered because it’s beyond the scope of this channel. But it would be nice to hear about the evolution of ferry service in the Bay Area.

0:11 seconds is the end Judah heading downtown at Funston & Judah, right in front of the church where I do my Chinese dance classes. Either way, that opening frame had the BART looking so clean. I've never seen it like that. Very pretty.

Had to laugh every time you showed the Millbrae/SFO changes, as weekends could have a whole different line (color) being used over M-F service.

This was great! You missed one thing - the J no longer enters the subway. The M too, but I’m not sure that’s permanent.

@RaymondHng

2 жыл бұрын

That was a result from the pandemic.

Amazing work. Its damn near impossible to figure out which lines did what and when these services began as some are complaining about. You did your best on the MUNI and no one should fault you for that but I think including Sonoma's SMART would have made this video complete. Nonetheless, great work on this video.

@AVeryRandomPerson

2 жыл бұрын

SMART is a commuter rail service, in the commuter rail video

I recently rode SFMTA transit for the first time. The city has an incredible network and date I say slightly better than my native Toronto. I think this is because of the increased presence of rail and how much of the city it covers. I was able to see Lombard St, the Golden Gate Bridge, the Fisherman’s Warf area, Embarcadero, the Peace Pagoda and Ocean Beach all in one day!

The MUNI (T) Third Street Extension Is Not Going To Be Opened Until January 7, 2023.

Let’s not forget the Central Subway when it opens.

In Oakland there's a place called Pittsburg, and in Pittsburgh there's a place called Oakland.

@markpreston6930

2 жыл бұрын

There is no Pittsburg in Oakland.

@blackchewy8435

2 жыл бұрын

Outside looking in.......🤔

Reno and Carson City should a Streetcar again 🚃🚞🚋🚊

Not sure if the L Taraval will return it’s pre-pandemic route from Wawona and 46th Avenue to Embarcadero Station when it’ll come back to service after the L Taraval Improvement project which will begin in early 2022 from Sunset Boulevard to 15th Avenue, and on Ulloa Street near West Portal

You ought to do a separate video on the S.F. cable car system. While you don't usually do streetcars that run in mixed traffic, you should consider this one because of its uniqueness and history. It will be revealing how many more lines there once were than the three that are still in operation (and apparently will remain so to eternity!).

Wow, ! very good

Thanks for the most succulent survey of network evolution! I lived in San Francisco from 2004 to 2006 and had used each and every service providers in the Bay Area. I find the choice of diesel multiple unit (DMU) trains for eBART both bizarre and wrong. Using the diesel fuel seemed to contradict California's green agenda. I know that it's cheaper to build the system using the standard gauge and ordering the DMU from the maufacturer's "catalogue" (instead of custom built). BART ended up ordering hundreds of next-generation D/E rolling stocks to replace the A/B/C ones. Yet, it does cost more to build the separate maintenance yard and to train the technicians and operators specifically for DMU trainsets. Not to mention the volatile price of diesel fuel. Shame that San Mateo County voted itself out of financing scheme that would have allowed BART to serve the Silicon Valley better and more convenient than CalTrain and to complete the loop. I am no fan of CalTrain due to the cramped seats and harsh ride, especially when travelling at 70 mph. I never forgot the response from the conductor when the wagon was shaking so much at 70-75 mph: "Well, it's because of deferred maintenance." That was in 2005.

Good video, but I would have included the E line reopening in the future developments section, as it will probably reopen some point next year.

@peteralbert1485

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, that seems right...along with Geary as the second rapid bus line with Van Ness.

@NozomuYume

2 жыл бұрын

@@peteralbert1485 It's starting to look like Geary BRT isn't gonna happen, considering the shitshow that Van Ness BRT was (6 years to reconfigure a street!). To be honest I'm okay with that since Geary is the most heavily trafficked corridor in the entire city outside of Market/Mission, and it really just needs a goddamn subway.

@peteralbert1485

2 жыл бұрын

@@NozomuYume Yeah...I would bet on the subway at this point, given where Link21's and Connect SF's proposals seem to be going lately: a subway under Geary and 19th Ave. In any case, the surface bus just got faster anyway with new BRT "lite" improvements completed along the Geary corridor.

@blackchewy8435

2 жыл бұрын

@@peteralbert1485 How long do you think the SFMTA would take to build a rail line on Geary, 30years?

@peteralbert1485

2 жыл бұрын

@@blackchewy8435 I think we'll find out a timeline with Link21. It seems like the Geary corridor is the most likely route for the second BART tube. I guess it all depends on how time it takes to get the funding and planning and environmental review in place. How long would the actual tunnel itself take to build - ten years? BART's original tube and subways in SF and Oakland were built between 1964 and 1972.

Let's goooo!

@Pixelated216

2 жыл бұрын

Your message got converted to: Let’s goooo

Now we just need the new Transbay Station to start service, For Caltrain

Thanks!

@VanishingUnderground

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for your support!

has the extension to Santa Clara not begun construction?

@danielcarroll3358

2 жыл бұрын

Not yet. They are still in discussion about the details of the downtown San José subway.

@momentogabe

2 жыл бұрын

@@danielcarroll3358 great because the plans don't seem that great. hopefully they will change and be well placed and not have mega parking lots

I wish I knew why they named one M and another one N. Its so confusing over the announcement systems and its not much better on the displays when your eyes are as bad as mine. One takes me home and the other takes me to the middle of nowhere. There were so many free letters they could've used!!

@AVeryRandomPerson

2 жыл бұрын

They used to have more streetcar lines using the other letters

Can you do Minneapolis next?

FINALLY I live in the Bay Area thanks

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New Orleans streetcar system next!

Would you ever be interested in metro’s in other continents? I think it would very neat to see other major subways explained.

The Purple Line of Bart was absorbed into the Red Line in 2021.

Warning: you may start crying in desperation at 5:55. Brace yourselves