Watch Sam Harris & Brian Greene on stage FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER kzread.info/dash/bejne/Z6SWqtWLqpunZ9o.html

anyone in 2024?

@ROSSI_27

Ай бұрын

🫥

@maikiomi

Ай бұрын

🎉

@ssp2344

Ай бұрын

Second time✋

@danielzavalahuerta

Ай бұрын

Oh yeah, this is my 4th time relistening to every session 😅

@eeriestmoss5544

Ай бұрын

🫡

This is the kind of conversation I’m craving for during birthday parties

@hanskraut2018

2 жыл бұрын

true 😍🤩:(

@bibaolaitan5189

2 жыл бұрын

Me too... i need new friends..

@shawnshahpari8681

Жыл бұрын

People have to be ready for these types of convos. That's gonna be a birthday that's light on people.

@hanskraut2018

Жыл бұрын

@@bibaolaitan5189 I need "a" friend at all 😂

@bibaolaitan5189

Жыл бұрын

@@hanskraut2018 don't feel bad. I have like just 2 friends.

These "debates" are addicting. I can't stop watching.

@theuglybeing4673

2 жыл бұрын

Why "behind and in front of debates???

@cannastartover1720

2 жыл бұрын

It is being called a discussion not a debate, but it is pretty much a debate.

@roseharrison5223

2 жыл бұрын

Me too. I need Sam to calm me down.

@joshuajames1720

Жыл бұрын

Addictive

@jackrabbitmr

Жыл бұрын

Why did they say the same sentences they said in the past debate almost verbatim? Like they were reading a script?

I had the privilege of attending with my wife. It was brilliant. Such a positive endeavour.

@amberhaug3841

2 жыл бұрын

Lucky

@Va1eri3405

2 жыл бұрын

I wish I would meet someone that would love to attend these kinda events

@ReallyInterestingName

Жыл бұрын

Oh. Ao it was your wife who stripped later on stage P

@yedum321

Жыл бұрын

How much did the event cost

Hopefully one day Sam and Jordan will reconcile their differences with the synchronicity of that leg cross 0:34

@clambake8496

4 жыл бұрын

ComplexPlane This comment deserves more love

@jonfromtheuk467

4 жыл бұрын

its called a "postural echo"......

@mr.e3894

4 жыл бұрын

This comment tugs at the innards of my soul...

@blackscreennoiseforrelaxat1517

4 жыл бұрын

Hahahahaha that’s insane

@mohsinakhtar7876

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for clarifying the Atheistic position further The left brain 🧠 vs the right 🧠 brain The debate will never be resolved since The fundamental premise of Atheism is (1=0) So it seems that Peterson Was left brain(1) and Harris(0) Since they couldn’t agree completely so Not (=) That’s true mathematically (1=/=0) Now at one point in the debate even Harris said “that I can even accept that” on God Thefore only once for a few seconds they both become fully rational (1=1) I feel sorry for Jordan he had to try so hard to make it happen(Respect him for that) He sure is an open minded guy who can pull you out of your Extreme point of views (In this case Harris’s denial of God) Why Jordan is 1 in(1=0) Jordan 1:27:00(Reading ) “God is how we imaginitivly And collectively represent the existence and actions of conscienceness across time” “As the most real aspects of existence manifest themselves across the longest of time frames but are not necessarily apprehensable like as objects as in here and now.” (His explanation) “What that means in some sense is that you have conceptions of reality built into your biological and metaphysical structures that are a consequence of evolution that occurred over unbelievably vast expanses of time. And they structure your perception of reality in ways that, it wouldn’t be structured if you’d only lived the amount of time you are going to live. And that is also part of the problem for deriving values from facts because your evencient and you can’t derive the right value from the facts that portray themselves to you in your life span. Which is why you have a biological structure which is like 3.5 billion years old. -god is that which eternally dies and is reborn in the persuit of higher being and truth. That’s a fundamental element of hero mythology. -god is the higher value in the hierarchy of value (That’s another way of looking at it) -god is what calls and responds to the eternal call to adventure -god is the voice of conscience -God is the source of judgement and mercy and guilt -God is the future to which we make sacrifices. into the trancedental repository of reputation. Here is a cool one if you’re an evolutionary biologist -god is that which selects among men in the eternal hierarchy of men (So you know men arrange themselves into hierarchy and men rise in the hierarchy, there are principles that are important that determine the probability of their rise and those principles aren’t Tyrannical/ Power they are something like the ability to articulate truth and the ability to be competent and ability to make appropriate moral judgements and if you can do that in a given situation then all the other men will vote you up the hierarchy so to speak and that will radically increase your reproductive fitness And the operation of that process in the long expanses of time looks to me like it’s codefied in something like the notion of The God the Father. It’s also the same thing that makes men attractive to women because women peel of the top of the male hierarchy and the question is what should be at the top of the hierarchy??? The answer right now is tyranny as part of the patriarchy but the answer is something more like the ability to use truthful speech in the service of let’s say “well being” So that operates across tremendous expansions of time and it plays a role in selection for survival itself and it makes it a fundamental reality.” 1:48:08 Sam Harris (where he also admitted (1) therfore they agreed (1=1) even though only for a second then back to (1=0) “To call that thing god, fine that’s the god I have no problem with but that’s not how most people most of the time are using the word “G-O-D”

Made it almost 7 minutes before having to look up a word I've never heard before.

@harshpherwani6590

3 жыл бұрын

John Dunlap dude, right? And it’s not even like a wannabe case here that people steelman these people to have been doing, it’s an actual productive and meaningful use of the words that we can see with these people. Both of them.

@souljacem

3 жыл бұрын

It‘s beautiful though that you can learn new words through these discussions in a very accessible way, because it‘s very contextual.

@marcmcdowell9649

3 жыл бұрын

Revelatory? Got me to dude

@muhammadaadilali5638

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah man using multi window on mobile with a dictionary in the other

@jooplin

3 жыл бұрын

You are probably in the top 1% of the population

SH: Two times three equals six. JP: Two times three equals the intangible evanescent process of unknowable numeracy linked to the transcendence of the highest hierarchical integral foundation of the ultimate structure of our being.

@schvyler

2 ай бұрын

For someone whose career is platformed by being a postmodern critic, his language is just as, if not more, ambiguous, verbose, and frankly exhausting with that of a postmodernist.

@eldenfindley186

2 ай бұрын

@@schvyleryep.

What an amazing concept steelmanning is. Every debate should start with stating the part of your opponent’s argument that you disagree with in the strongest and most honest terms it can be phrased. They do an awesome job at the beginning with each other’s argument but none do a good job when Sam challenges them to repeat the exercise for their general critics.

@reubenyoung70

2 жыл бұрын

@@charlesgill1177 Isn’t it Douglas who asks them both and they both fail?

@reubenyoung70

2 жыл бұрын

Ha not according to my earlier comment I guess! Need to rewatch these, they’re so brilliant.

@new2dc2883

Жыл бұрын

Steel Manning in a meaningful and effective manner takes a great deal of honesty with both people in the discussion. Jordan is a stark example of its failure. He steel man’s the exact same way that he engages in debate with. He meticulously picks and chooses words that muddle and distort the other persons meat and potato argument, and even redefining terminology of words that are universally understood to mean something different that what he proposes. A person with a good argument doesn’t and shouldn’t have to do this. I love how this issue was passively brought up directly after Peterson’s opening steel man with Murray introducing the concept of “Jesus smuggling”, which Peterson just finished doing. It would have been wonderful of Murray to have then brought up the concept of linguistic gerrymandering. I swear to GOD, everything that comes out of Peterson’s mouth in areas of religion, economics, and politics would be completely obliterated if somebody were to take a solid 10 minutes explaining why it’s wrong, dishonest, arrogant, and unproductive to define important words in a way that you like, because it helps your argument…. Like WOW, YEAH, OF COURSE your argument will be made more feasible if you’re given license to lie and make words mean whatever the hell you want to. It speaks volumes to the intellectual illiteracy of our generation that so many young people look to this man as some sort of thought leader, or as somebody who has cracked some ancient code that makes their archaic religious beliefs hold sway in the face of modern science and rationality. God help us fam😬😬

@Kevin.berger

10 күн бұрын

It's weird that you make that complaint because Peterson steelmans Harris on night 2 of the Vancouver discussion, part of the exercise for both interlocutors was doing so to the satisfaction of the other party, and he does so successfully.

Harrison: Rationality is key. Peterson: Underlying purpose is key. Me an intellectual: Nice chairs.

@Noname-lk2ol

5 жыл бұрын

Me a guy who jerks off with his feet: hey I like your comment.

@2FadeMusic

5 жыл бұрын

Ah yes, a fellow viewer of the acclaimed Adult Swim television program "Richard and Mortimer"

@joecoylemusic6852

5 жыл бұрын

This is funnier than will ever be appreciated. @@2FadeMusic

@marredcheese

5 жыл бұрын

Who's Harrison?

@chrisgossapplesauce316

5 жыл бұрын

Joe Coyle I’m curious, what does he mean

Anyone watching this and loving both sides is a friend of mine!

@anaesthesia1549

4 жыл бұрын

Are you hypocrite?

@laviozulian611

4 жыл бұрын

Not that hard for me to decide which side wins. Harris dominates in every aspect.

@jovaransguplar3019

4 жыл бұрын

This is really fascinating because they both make solid points. The irony is that they don't necessarily conflict as much as the fanboys think they do

@Zachd500

4 жыл бұрын

Wes Guill I mean I don’t hate either side but only one can be right.

@ScarFace1496-

4 жыл бұрын

Zachary Dickey that’s not really the case. Both sides have been right and wrong about different things throughout all three phases of this discussion, dating back to Vancouver.

What a pleasure (and a refreshing change) to listen to three grown ups debate complex issues with courtesy to each other and without shouting or going into a strop. Gives me hope!

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This conversation is a metaphysical substrate representing my left hemisphere talking to my right hemisphere while my corpus callosum watches in confusion.

@eusebiusthunked5259

5 жыл бұрын

It's a damn shame they dismissed the position of moderator. Perhaps this is enacting the archetype of schizophrenia, and Weinstein or another needs to be reappointed as Sherif, or corpus callosum, or "mere moderator"

@naturalistegroup3978

5 жыл бұрын

...while your corpus callosum keeps a foot in both camps.

@Jide-bq9yf

4 жыл бұрын

Mattie147 good one 😂😂😂

@Jide-bq9yf

4 жыл бұрын

Eusebius Thunked 😂

@natura808

4 жыл бұрын

Mattie147 Well said!

Scores are in... Sam Harris ten.. Jordan Peterson... Well it depends what you mean by 10.

@nicholasnajibi3082

5 жыл бұрын

Andy Robertson meaning is everything.

@Noname-lk2ol

5 жыл бұрын

Lol. And thats why Jordan wins

@2FadeMusic

5 жыл бұрын

@@Noname-lk2ol It depends what on what you mean by "wins"

@nicholasnajibi3082

5 жыл бұрын

Ludus Music try to live your life without meaning. And if you haven’t found meaning or if you don’t know what it is...I wouldn’t question what it is. It’s too much of a question for you. I also wouldn’t make fun of modern day philosophers. It doesn’t help you in any way. At all. And it shows too much of your level cap for intelligence.

@2FadeMusic

5 жыл бұрын

@@nicholasnajibi3082 "Making fun of Jordan Peterson makes you stupid" - Completely unbiased youtube commenter who is clearly eons ahead of the rest of us in terms of intelligence

I'm not joking. This is my 11th debate I have watched, in a row. These are like rare gems.

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Peterson talking about sponges is the whole new side of his passion I hadn't seen.

These series of talks have literally changed my life. These kinds of talks are exactly what the world needs. Thank You.

@captainron4924

3 жыл бұрын

@@AdA-kx5ig Ooooh, fuck you! :)

@RedHairdo

3 жыл бұрын

​@@AdA-kx5ig What is this? Autism? Dementia? A perfect combination of pitifulness and lack of intelligence?

@nathanielace7534

3 жыл бұрын

Alejandro Daniel Acuña breath in and breath out bro

@AdA-kx5ig

3 жыл бұрын

@@nathanielace7534 i knok u ou boya sit down foo. Try me. Where u at.

@corbinwantland7669

3 жыл бұрын

@Francisco NievesI was actually just expressing my gratitude. I think maybe the real difference is that you don't have anything better to do than go online and troll others people's comments. Why spread the hate? You're better than that. You really are. Go read a book or do something productive. Try to think positive thoughts towards others. It might change your perspective. You can do it. I believe in you.

I love the humor built in Sam's genius.

@quickplaya

2 жыл бұрын

Sam is a puke. Jordan is a great guy.

@vaibhavsati538

2 жыл бұрын

@@quickplaya fanboy

@jammasterleescrazyyoutubej6464

Жыл бұрын

harris is hilarious

@bluesraincancun9217

Жыл бұрын

I agree.

@ryanchristian6526

Жыл бұрын

Nothing he said was funny, he’s just trying to win the crowd and make himself seem smart. He’s hardly explained any of his ideas in my opinion he just sounds like another butt hurt atheist. I don’t think he’s as well versed in religion as he acts.

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Let's just appreciate these brilliant minds and the freaking technology that allows us all to listen, learn and interpret. We're truly living in an amazing time in history.

@dallasonfire604

3 жыл бұрын

Everyone has probably said that same thing throughout human history post language.

@RedHairdo

3 жыл бұрын

@@dallasonfire604 Or not.

@roddydykes7053

3 жыл бұрын

dallasonfire604 well I doubt there were KZread audience sized masses gathered at the library to read Plato or Aristotle’s texts all at once, the internet and its ability to convey information is unmatched

@jacobjorgenson9285

3 жыл бұрын

That tech will likely bring down humanity through the sheer amount of BS it can spread

@lucaslopez2091

3 жыл бұрын

I was just thinking the same thing. This is more valuable than gold and it is free!

I feel a much richer person having discovered these three gentlemen, and listening to this discussion was an absolute pleasure. Thank you.

@thegoodthebadandtheugly579

4 жыл бұрын

Paul Steer you’re such a discoverer, you’re making us all proud. Sincerely yours, troll.

@maisiecarruthers695

4 жыл бұрын

@Chris Clark himself obviously hes a richer person but nobody wise but person wise

@josem.sanchez6452

4 жыл бұрын

I'm the same poor, however much wiser.

@maisiecarruthers695

4 жыл бұрын

@@josem.sanchez6452 lol

@mohsinakhtar7876

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for clarifying the Atheistic position further The left brain 🧠 vs the right 🧠 brain The debate will never be resolved since The fundamental premise of Atheism is (1=0) So it seems that Peterson Was left brain(1) and Harris(0) Since they couldn’t agree completely so Not (=) That’s true mathematically (1=/=0) Now at one point in the debate even Harris said “that I can even accept that” on God Thefore only once for a few seconds they both become fully rational (1=1) I feel sorry for Jordan he had to try so hard to make it happen(Respect him for that) He sure is an open minded guy who can pull you out of your Extreme point of views (In this case Harris’s denial of God) Why Jordan is 1 in(1=0) Jordan 1:27:00(Reading ) “God is how we imaginitivly And collectively represent the existence and actions of conscienceness across time” “As the most real aspects of existence manifest themselves across the longest of time frames but are not necessarily apprehensable like as objects as in here and now.” (His explanation) “What that means in some sense is that you have conceptions of reality built into your biological and metaphysical structures that are a consequence of evolution that occurred over unbelievably vast expanses of time. And they structure your perception of reality in ways that, it wouldn’t be structured if you’d only lived the amount of time you are going to live. And that is also part of the problem for deriving values from facts because your evencient and you can’t derive the right value from the facts that portray themselves to you in your life span. Which is why you have a biological structure which is like 3.5 billion years old. -god is that which eternally dies and is reborn in the persuit of higher being and truth. That’s a fundamental element of hero mythology. -god is the higher value in the hierarchy of value (That’s another way of looking at it) -god is what calls and responds to the eternal call to adventure -god is the voice of conscience -God is the source of judgement and mercy and guilt -God is the future to which we make sacrifices. into the trancedental repository of reputation. Here is a cool one if you’re an evolutionary biologist -god is that which selects among men in the eternal hierarchy of men (So you know men arrange themselves into hierarchy and men rise in the hierarchy, there are principles that are important that determine the probability of their rise and those principles aren’t Tyrannical/ Power they are something like the ability to articulate truth and the ability to be competent and ability to make appropriate moral judgements and if you can do that in a given situation then all the other men will vote you up the hierarchy so to speak and that will radically increase your reproductive fitness And the operation of that process in the long expanses of time looks to me like it’s codefied in something like the notion of The God the Father. It’s also the same thing that makes men attractive to women because women peel of the top of the male hierarchy and the question is what should be at the top of the hierarchy??? The answer right now is tyranny as part of the patriarchy but the answer is something more like the ability to use truthful speech in the service of let’s say “well being” So that operates across tremendous expansions of time and it plays a role in selection for survival itself and it makes it a fundamental reality.” 1:48:08 Sam Harris (where he also admitted (1) therfore they agreed (1=1) even though only for a second then back to (1=0) “To call that thing god, fine that’s the god I have no problem with but that’s not how most people most of the time are using the word “G-O-D”

I was in a bad place last year after a ending a bad relationship and honestly, watching these videos chnaged my life for the better. Especially Jordan's lectures.

@maabownallh7386

Жыл бұрын

Hope you are doing well now, and enjoying your life, Farbod :)

"Just because you're nice, does not mean you are good." Now, that is a damn good point.

I want to see Peterson's Amazon review for the moral landscape

@ironicbeats

3 жыл бұрын

It would include 700.000 words :D

@ghost_of_jah5210

3 жыл бұрын

“It would take me 50 hours to write that review” -Jordan Peterson prob

@Specialsausse

3 жыл бұрын

"Sam does not contend seriously or deeply enough with the human condition." - Jordan Peterson in a much more gracious way

@nathanboettcher6431

2 жыл бұрын

Yes! :)

@fordhamdonnington2738

2 жыл бұрын

Set your own moral standards so they can propagate that's how change begins . God is not dead!

Jordan P "Even though I know there are as many snakes in my heart as there are in yours. I am still going to hold my hand out in trust because that is the way I can elevate both of us."

@Heybuddy101

4 жыл бұрын

thanks I need that quote

@Unsubscribedd

4 жыл бұрын

True beauty.

@JoseRodriguez-tb1js

4 жыл бұрын

Absolutely beautiful wisdom.

@stegemme

4 жыл бұрын

rhetoric and certainly not poetry

@JoseRodriguez-tb1js

4 жыл бұрын

@@stegemme Your opinion.

God I love this ! third night watching them ! Thank you

I should've been at this however whomever posted it Thankyou so very much.

This audience knows when to clap, unlike the audience in Vancouver who would've probably clapped had either Peterson or Harris sneezed.

@chrisv.noire.6388

3 жыл бұрын

these audiences that irk us so are the gatherings bringing these great minds together. You take them out and their irritating clapping and you have no meeting and no debate to watch on KZread when you should be working.

@melanie851

3 жыл бұрын

@@chrisv.noire.6388 Perfect answer, thank you.

@BaldmanB

2 жыл бұрын

👏👏👏👏 Oh wait....

Just cause they're nice chairs does not make them good chairs!

@HebrewsElevenTwentyFive

4 жыл бұрын

*Ba-bow*

@wardogsmokes

4 жыл бұрын

you win.

@DaVinci368

4 жыл бұрын

The Tube it depends precisely what theoretical boundaries you are accepting as the definitive parameters of the term “chair”. It’s like., do you mean the apparent physical structure of the chair? Or are you adding in the supposition that gravity and its effect as relates to your own weight and body composition as it engages with the structure ?” You see., we need to understand the terms we are using before we can arrive at any logical conclusion or agreement...,

@benigifford

4 жыл бұрын

AHAHHAHA

@jaxketpocket7147

4 жыл бұрын

Chris Clark Its like ..what is aquard ? If you typed anywhere close to the correct spelling your auto correct should have worked?

so many good moments in this. Just because you're nice doesn't mean you're good!

I was so happy to find that there us a part 3

It's a well known fact that Pangburn Philosophy spends 80% of their revenue on chairs.

@yerhing6406

5 жыл бұрын

God knows they don’t spend it on sound quality

@entiretwix1480

5 жыл бұрын

@Iblis Shaitan I wonder how that became a positive expression, overtime

@jlindsay

3 жыл бұрын

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@BlackBart_87

3 жыл бұрын

@Iblis König what kind of chairs? Where can I get similar?

@mariuscrisan9161

3 жыл бұрын

@@yerhing6406 sounds very good to me

This is a beautiful demonstration of civil discourse...with the emphasis on civil

I love listening to these two guys.

With people as Brilliant as this how were we stuck with Trump and Clinton to pick from? I know JP is Canadian, not sure about Sam but my point is, why can’t we have people like this run the world instead of scumbag politicians?

@arielguzman2875

5 жыл бұрын

We could also ask what motivates people to be politicians or thinkers.

@mensetens6391

5 жыл бұрын

Traversy Media That is, of course, a good question. The answer probably isn't as easy as we'd like it to be, for people in groups encourage each other to act instead of think, short-circuiting the process the Enlightenment held up as the Rational Way, so to speak, and the Founders built into our republic. We had better candidates in the last campaign, but somehow the voters of New Hampshire decided on a pair of lesser stars who then had the stage, and the media did the rest. In a representative democracy, we get the leaders we vote for. Even if we wake up the next day, hold our head and ask, 'What did I do?' we still do it because we felt like it. A democracy requires a rational, educated citizenry. We don't always act like it, however, so we get the leaders we have. Before the draft in World War 2, Marines --- a volunteer force -- could always quiet a complainer with, 'Shut up. You asked for it!' We are not drafted into voting for a candidate, so 'We asked for it,' I'm afraid.

@waranghira

5 жыл бұрын

That's answerable by Peterson's thesis: stupid people (majority) prefer/need stupid things (religion/Trump/Clinton) to lead them.

@mensetens6391

5 жыл бұрын

@@waranghira Perhaps you could make your statement a bit more nuanced? I don't think that 'the majority' are 'stupid,' it's just that we think we have goals, but generally our goals are just wrong. we are too short-sighted, too impatient. The left has told us for decades that all is political and all politics is power. The result of this relentless teaching is what we see, and more politics won't cure it any more than the hair of the dog cures a hangover or rabies. Politics is a means to an end, not the end itself. The preambles to the Declaration of Independence and to the Constitution tell what our goals were and still ought to be, and Washington's Farewell Address warned us of the dangers of political parties. We no longer think about any of those. We're not stupid. We simply are not thinking. That's why we such things as 'stupid people need...' That's not an answer, it's just a gripe, and gripes get us nowhere.

@TonyJohnsonIntoxinator

5 жыл бұрын

Because people like this don't run for politics - and even if they did, their views are so polarising, that the question could be asked - would the be electable? I think it takes a certain kind of person to run for politics. It's a terrible job - who would want it? You're monitored 24 hours a day (like the Truman Show) and everything that you say and do, is recorded and spliced together in a way to serve someone else's agenda. Really, really good leaders, are few and far between. It's the same in the corporate world as it is in politics. There's a small set of candidates to choose from to begin with. Given the polarisation of the media and given the disregard with which most people show towards the running of our countries, it's unsurprising to me that we end up with the leaders that we do. Ultimately, it's our fault that we have the leaders that we do. We don't demand more from them, we don't hold them to the same standards on both sides of politics, we lap up the crap that the MSM feeds us (by "we" and "us" I mean the public in general) and in the end, we vote for the person that our ideology tells us to. Some of us have thought about that decision and given it the gravity that it deserves - many have not. Many donkey-vote, vote to make a point, protest vote, or simply don't vote at all. Things will only change when our culture says - no, we aren't doing this anymore.

I was there. Met Sam, Douglas and Jordan. Got a book signed by Jordan 👌

@kimburgess2897

3 жыл бұрын

I am officially jealous. Would love to see these great minds in real life, as such.

@cjdamage8918

3 жыл бұрын

@@kimburgess2897 it was as amazing as you would imagine it to be Kim. I was buzzing for days afterwards. I have pics with Sam and Jordan.

Im grateful this conversation is happening. I consider it like polishing a jagged rock into a perfectly smooth shape. The jagged edges are belief in fictions and the smooth contours is the path ahead where more humans can enjoy our very short time on earth. With Love

I'm incredibly grateful for the opportunity to watch these great men debate! I'll have to do some serious reading before coming back and re-watching this.

1:35:46 "Just because you're nice doesn't mean you're good." - Jordan Peterson Dead on.

@ObscurityIsBest

5 жыл бұрын

@piip: LOL! Because being a genius and reading books are mutually exclusive...smh Well, we know with certainty that *you* are no genius.

@TheRobdarling

4 жыл бұрын

@NRM no, he isn't a genius He just seems like one to weak children and some undergrads who need a good grade.

@angelmendez-rivera351

4 жыл бұрын

ObscurityIsBest They do not need to be mutually exclusive, they only need be not equivalent.

@callmeej8399

4 жыл бұрын

Well it depends on what you mean by nice, and what you mean by good

@skyeangelofdeath7363

4 жыл бұрын

@NRM lol Peterson a genius??? ROFLMAO!

I like how Sam sprinkles in subtle jokes during the discussion.

@fordhamdonnington2738

2 жыл бұрын

What happens after you die is not a joke.

@iliaadamanthark8336

2 жыл бұрын

@@fordhamdonnington2738 Yeah, the underworld is not a joke. Hades will judge you there.

@seanbirch9663

2 жыл бұрын

@@fordhamdonnington2738 Many things still happen after you die. Some of them are jokes. Sorry, I'm not sure what your point is.

@fordhamdonnington2738

2 жыл бұрын

@@seanbirch9663 I’m sorry too

@seanbirch9663

2 жыл бұрын

@@fordhamdonnington2738 well, thanks for not clearing it up. I guess it's not important

This was absolutely wonderful. As an atheist, I found myself agreeing with both sides. I’ll probably watch it again just in case I missed something.

@Artistofun

2 жыл бұрын

May you are not so atheist in the end? )

@tbonea1dam1

2 жыл бұрын

@@Artistofun Agnostic

@jom9320

2 жыл бұрын

Youre not atheist

@tbonea1dam1

2 жыл бұрын

@@jom9320 yep

@boouyayme

2 жыл бұрын

Same here, if you agree with me religion can be one of the tools that can connect facts with rationally even tho many outcomes can be irrational. Just like instincts can be both rational and irrational. I can say the same with the new religion of manifestation(placebo effect) and also zodiac signs. Etc There are many tolls and we shouldn’t just fall on one because many people need different tools to aim towards a future instead of being stuck like the movie version of being omish

The way Sam went from the refugee thing to the power of stories. That was too damn smooth.

Steelmaning has been a fundamental principle of philosophical debate for more than 3000 years in India. It is called Purva Paksha. All debates and treatises start with that. It is because you want to argue the undiluted, accurate and the most profound, intelligent and persuasive version of the opposite point of view and prove it wrong.

@peterlemer

4 жыл бұрын

I'm surprised. I'd have thought such a venerable philosophy would want to prove what's best, rather than what's wrong (worst)

@peterlemer

4 жыл бұрын

@therainman777 well, yes, that's the scientific method, in part :-) I would prefer that in a dialogue between two authentic thinkers, the aim would be to combine with a positive outcome, a synergy of thought and spirit. I don't want to make a sceptic wrong for believeing that homoeopathy is bogus, for example. I want to be able to share my view, that homoeopathy can be scientifically beneficial - by considering the virtues of the placebo effect. There are bogus elements to H, and there are real elements. That sort of thing. Apply the same technique to whether religion is good or bad, or democracy, and so on.

@peterlemer

4 жыл бұрын

@therainman777 agreed 100% :-) I would add that if I were right that H was effective in a significant number of cases due to the Placebo effect, then the question becomes: " how can a member of the public avail him/herself of this benefit?" Some GPs can deliver the placebo effect for sure, but it's highly idiosyncratic. Whereas if you want to be reasonably certain, then go to a homoeopath and ignore his rationale, unless it helps :-) ( I can imagine some patients might be awed by the bible-thumping).

@peterlemer

4 жыл бұрын

@therainman777 of course :-) but where would I find a practitioner that listens to my woes and dispenses this pill? My GP cannot do that. Nor can my Pharmacy AFAIK. The Placebo Effect requires that the patient has some level of belief. THBS, even when patients are told that the pill is made of sugar and nothing else, there is still a measurable effect, provided they are also told that this (unmasked) pill has had a positive effet on other patients.. Wierd stuff, huh?

@peterlemer

4 жыл бұрын

@therainman777 ''That Having Been Said'

This is truly my favourite series ever.

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@thebrightideashow7587

2 жыл бұрын

when I saw there was a part three i never clicked faster on a video. Okay maybe I lied... chalk up me telling the truth to Peterson's stories

@kurt-ge6mz

2 жыл бұрын

@@thebrightideashow7587 aqqqqqq

@EnlightenedTurtle

2 жыл бұрын

You literally deleted all my comments.. those comments took a long time to articulate... now I know the devils work.

@EnlightenedTurtle

2 жыл бұрын

You literally deleted all my comments.. those comments took a long time to articulate... now I know the devils work.

@danrl9710

2 жыл бұрын

Correct me if I’m wrong, but the only topics discussed in any of the Peterson/Harris theater were ones that are always talked about? Get Noam Chomsky on stage with them, then you’ll get some taboo.

Also check out Aliens, God & Evolution with Richard Dawkins & Brian Greene kzread.info/dash/bejne/aZ2FtayHeZngoaw.html

I swear this video made me recover faith in humanity

@frankjeager9043

3 жыл бұрын

2020 has joined the chat

@ghost_of_jah5210

3 жыл бұрын

@@frankjeager9043 lol

@reeko9781

3 жыл бұрын

Do you still have faith?

Damn, I could spend 24 hours absorbing the abundance of knowledge that this kind of conversation offers!

@merlin4real

4 жыл бұрын

Maps of meaning is 26 hours of lecture alone. I would take a month.

@acraze2287

2 жыл бұрын

@@merlin4real more like 30

I could not have thought of any better combination of people to be having this discussion!

You can literally put Sam Harris against anyone, he expresses his points in a clear and concise form.

@stryderxx1

10 ай бұрын

But without actually answering the question

@Afflictamine

10 ай бұрын

too bad he can't actually back them up

@andrewjordan2511

10 ай бұрын

Haha by changing the subject?

@dpk228

9 ай бұрын

I can understand everything sam says but it's not the case with JP. JP unnecessarily make things complicated.

@dpk228

9 ай бұрын

​@@andrewjordan2511 Well that's JP for me. Goes round and round and never gives any concrete idea.

I always known Harris to be very intelligent, but i would have never known Peterson to be so deeply thoughtful. Dr Peterson exposed very concerning and valid questions about the human conditions, and multiple times, i had to hold my breath until Sam cunningly tackled it. Truly one of the most valuable conversations I’ve heard, and one that I personally needed very much.

These men are amazing. Harris is finely tuned to reason toward functionality, and he can simplify complex concepts so that anyone can understand. That’s the mark of mastery of his craft. Peterson is on a whole other level of depth of analysis. Genius level capacity. I get the sense that he truly wants to understand the Truth in a society where we’re so used to listening to thought- and social-leaders grinding their axes. Amazing to think that thousands would pay to sit in the same room to listen to these men think out loud. :)

@austinjrb

5 жыл бұрын

Jonathan Martin what does that metaphor mean? "Social-leaders grinding their axes". I've never heard that before.

@thosedays512

4 жыл бұрын

Your assessment is dead on! 👍👍👍 I think Peterson is truly trying so hard to explore a layer deeper than what most of people can understand, which is why he gets mocked all the time and Harrison is so popular.

@thosedays512

4 жыл бұрын

JevvoBruv No that’s not fair... well maybe you’re just a troll

@thosedays512

4 жыл бұрын

JevvoBruv just listen from 1:09:33 to 1:14:08 and tell me what’s woo about it

@intheclouds4453

4 жыл бұрын

Peterson reads deeply into everything, and examining the roots of religion in such way is extraordinary.. on the other hand, Harris thinks that religions are mostly a sum of bad dellusional ideas that we need to grow out of.. they both give strong arguments though, i respect them both very much

This just helped me through depression.

@Anicius_

2 жыл бұрын

How

@akkalange6359

2 жыл бұрын

I think that putting onto vvords that God might or might not exist in those exact vvords might have helped.

Happy to participate. Thank you all.

Damn rockstar philosophers. What do they think this is, the 4th century BCE?

@ericlyons6251

4 жыл бұрын

Lol perfect

@EdgarGarciaBlackRhythmbeatbox

4 жыл бұрын

I knoow riiight 😂😂😂 good one

@zzzzz77771

4 жыл бұрын

BC*

@dpk6756

4 жыл бұрын

@@zzzzz77771 BCE is fine it means before common era

@AM-ry8is

4 жыл бұрын

@@zzzzz77771 no

“Dr Peterson, what’s your favorite color?” “Well that depends on what you mean by favorite. And it also depends on what you mean by color. This is a very complex question... One must acknowledge the underlying verisimilitude that is irrevocably nested within a multi-layered metaphysical substrate which many people fundamentally conflate with their ideological presuppositions with no uncertain irregularity, causing the inadvertent dismissal of Jung's archetypal extrapolation of the quintessential axiomatic juxtaposition required to achieve Raskolnikov's magnitude of Neo-Marxist existential nihilism...

@greengo9

5 жыл бұрын

Please just stop.

@dylanr5893

5 жыл бұрын

This was copied and pasted from the first Harris-peterson video

@roarblast7332

5 жыл бұрын

the thread on the original comment was quite brilliant. they captured both sams and jordans dialectic idiosyncricies quite perfectly. this is just wishful thinking. lightning rarely strikes the same place twice.

@johnatkinson4287

5 жыл бұрын

Haha brilliant

@lovewillyxxx

5 жыл бұрын

😂

Sounds like they should have filmed the meal they had before the show as well

@gregoriosamsa2722

3 жыл бұрын

Some meal must have been

@FakingANerve

2 жыл бұрын

Sam: Is your steak good? Jordan: It would take me 40 hours to answer that question. Sam: ... check, please.

@robertjay9415

2 жыл бұрын

😂😂😂

Arabic subtitles now available!

Three absolutely brilliant individuals having a conversation. We need more of this!

@spaceorbison

5 жыл бұрын

no we don't dickhead because they're not actually saying anything.

@kevinyang6254

5 жыл бұрын

SpaceOrbison Dickhead? Grow up you loser! You hide behind a keyboard, you probably don’t have the balls to say that to people’s face.

@BulletsAndBloomers

5 жыл бұрын

@@spaceorbison. Another dipshit that doesn't understand words and will not find out!

@mellow578

5 жыл бұрын

We need more comments like this.

@malikialgeriankabyleswag4200

5 жыл бұрын

Sam is pretty brilliant, I'd probably let Jordan carry that crown too. But Douglas isn't brilliant lol stop being so easily impressed.

These videos (or the public ones to be released later) will be watched for years and years to come. Great conversation around an important topic.

@AP-bo1if

5 жыл бұрын

Chance of the gaps worshiping religion of atheism has all the magical unicorn powers necessary to create a universe, galaxies, planets, stars, self-replication, ribosomes, eyes, ears, brains, intelligence and consciousness. You better believe it, else you’re just a “dumb religious person”.,,,,,,.,.,.,.

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Alas! These are the kind of intellectual debates I have always craved to have among friends, family and other people in my real life, but it has become most tragically such a rare jewel.

I have to say that it is truly amazing that this is the 3rd conversation these two juggernauts are having and it's the 3rd time the audience has given up their question time so the former could keep going. I did not think it would be possible (at this day and age) that people are that interested in gaining knowledge from people who know what they are talking about. I do not say the next sentence in anyway to exaggerate my feelings or thoughts....I now have hope for the future of humanity.

@ramudon2428

2 жыл бұрын

I rarely find the questions posed in the Q&A sections worth while. It's usually something already covered in the discussion already, or someone giving their dissertation before asking a question that was already covered in the discussion already. For me, I'd most likely always vote for more discussion.

I was there, such an honour to see these three great minds under one roof

Thanks so much

Goddamn, Jordan Peterson is one sharp dresser. The guy was such a rockstar at this point. The apex of his career and a very real intellectual revivalism. Harris, as always, evolves in a rational way and finds himself in the bullseye of the Dogmatic Secular Humanists he perhaps once championed. And Douglas Murray, the most vital voice of them all. What a great moment in time from when things seemed to "be getting better".

@eldenfindley186

2 ай бұрын

Sam Harris is the only one with any sense on that stage.

Wow. After only 5 beers, I understand EVERYTHING

Wonderful stuff! I will have to watch again a few times to fully absorb it all. I am glad they didn't do a Q&A as they are SO incredibly tedious. I would rather hear more of the conversation anytime. A very inspiring and thought provoking discussion which made me switch alliances then back again after a single sentence. Thank you.

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Awesome, you hooked me on the opening.

I was on holiday from Australia to the UK. I was in Liverpool when this talk was on and was so very tempted to take the boat over for this event. I regret not doing so.

I've enjoyed this video much more than the other two. Clearly, these two are beginning to understand one another and both see the risk in putting forward arguments that are either redundant or an appeal to the audience. Murray translates this progress very well to both men, as well as to the audience. Great talk!

Man!!! What a pair of brilliant intellectuals

Amazing discussion.

Is Sam meditating permanently? He's so relaxed

@arcticwolf6402

4 жыл бұрын

He is actually.

@CARLOSRD0239

4 жыл бұрын

That’s how intelectual act out

@mohsinakhtar7876

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for clarifying the Atheistic position further The left brain 🧠 vs the right 🧠 brain The debate will never be resolved since The fundamental premise of Atheism is (1=0) So it seems that Peterson Was left brain(1) and Harris(0) Since they couldn’t agree completely so Not (=) That’s true mathematically (1=/=0) Now at one point in the debate even Harris said “that I can even accept that” on God Thefore only once for a few seconds they both become fully rational (1=1) I feel sorry for Jordan he had to try so hard to make it happen(Respect him for that) He sure is an open minded guy who can pull you out of your Extreme point of views (In this case Harris’s denial of God) Why Jordan is 1 in(1=0) Jordan 1:27:00(Reading ) “God is how we imaginitivly And collectively represent the existence and actions of conscienceness across time” “As the most real aspects of existence manifest themselves across the longest of time frames but are not necessarily apprehensable like as objects as in here and now.” (His explanation) “What that means in some sense is that you have conceptions of reality built into your biological and metaphysical structures that are a consequence of evolution that occurred over unbelievably vast expanses of time. And they structure your perception of reality in ways that, it wouldn’t be structured if you’d only lived the amount of time you are going to live. And that is also part of the problem for deriving values from facts because your evencient and you can’t derive the right value from the facts that portray themselves to you in your life span. Which is why you have a biological structure which is like 3.5 billion years old. -god is that which eternally dies and is reborn in the persuit of higher being and truth. That’s a fundamental element of hero mythology. -god is the higher value in the hierarchy of value (That’s another way of looking at it) -god is what calls and responds to the eternal call to adventure -god is the voice of conscience -God is the source of judgement and mercy and guilt -God is the future to which we make sacrifices. into the trancedental repository of reputation. Here is a cool one if you’re an evolutionary biologist -god is that which selects among men in the eternal hierarchy of men (So you know men arrange themselves into hierarchy and men rise in the hierarchy, there are principles that are important that determine the probability of their rise and those principles aren’t Tyrannical/ Power they are something like the ability to articulate truth and the ability to be competent and ability to make appropriate moral judgements and if you can do that in a given situation then all the other men will vote you up the hierarchy so to speak and that will radically increase your reproductive fitness And the operation of that process in the long expanses of time looks to me like it’s codefied in something like the notion of The God the Father. It’s also the same thing that makes men attractive to women because women peel of the top of the male hierarchy and the question is what should be at the top of the hierarchy??? The answer right now is tyranny as part of the patriarchy but the answer is something more like the ability to use truthful speech in the service of let’s say “well being” So that operates across tremendous expansions of time and it plays a role in selection for survival itself and it makes it a fundamental reality.” 1:48:08 Sam Harris (where he also admitted (1) therfore they agreed (1=1) even though only for a second then back to (1=0) “To call that thing god, fine that’s the god I have no problem with but that’s not how most people most of the time are using the word “G-O-D”

@shpongle7322

4 жыл бұрын

get his meditation app! its helped with my anxiety so much. if you cant afford it you can email them and get a year free btw

@aesthetewithoutacause3981

4 жыл бұрын

Yes that's essentially how it's supposed to work once you've been meditating long enough

I wish a world exist where the audience stop clappings and save that for only the beginning and the end. It rarely does anything but fed a false sense of positive reinforcement where what the person said actually hold any weight or the majority of the audience who do not agree might not be clapping.

@Mutantcy1992

5 жыл бұрын

Yep, it's the equivalent to something false garnering tons of upvotes on Reddit.

@martinw4261

5 жыл бұрын

I don't know if they instructed the audience to hold their applause until the end, but if they didn't then they should've.

@Mutantcy1992

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah in the vancouver events Harris called the audience out for applauding when Peterson didn't even make much of a point. They clap based on inflection and who they're a fan of. I'm a bigger Harris fan, but even the live events that don't have as much of a competitive feel as the Harris/Peterson ones have so much inane applause about inconsequential points.

@vinevienevo

5 жыл бұрын

Mutantcy1992 seems a lot is going right over your head. You'll catch up.

@arulross70

5 жыл бұрын

Yes yes yes ..jeez with the preteen fanboying ..on another note these would have been unbearable and unfocused without Harris ..I believe in Jesus btw

1:56:53 "Even though I know that there are just as many snakes in your heart as there are in my heart, I'm going to hold out my hand in trust because that's the best way to elevate both of us."

Magic is real. Theres no way that guy on the street could've known I had the 8 of clubs.

@MrShreddykruger

3 жыл бұрын

Oh it’s real. My tarot said so.

@kmitchell9891

Жыл бұрын

You think that's crazy. I once saw this guy slide his thumb off his hand using his other hand. Isthisamessiah.jpeg

did the sound engineer not ring out these mics and monitors? cut the high mids just a little bit. please. it’s killing me.

@AP-bo1if

5 жыл бұрын

Chance of the gaps worshiping religion of atheism has all the magical unicorn powers necessary to create a universe, galaxies, planets, stars, self-replication, ribosomes, eyes, ears, brains, intelligence and consciousness. You better believe it, else you’re just a “dumb religious person”.,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,.,.,

@J0c3rk

5 жыл бұрын

you are reasoning with inductive logic instead of deductive logic, without realizing it(i assume), that's why people might call you "dumb". And they MIGHT be right.

@e99fuy0ng

5 жыл бұрын

Jordan Flower - It sounds as though there wasn't an actual sound engineer involved.

@AP-bo1if

5 жыл бұрын

because it's very important.

@rationalmartian

5 жыл бұрын

"Chance of the gaps" A P. LOL. What a silly crock of old bollocks. Who did you hear that from, Hovind or some other idiotic apologist? Not to mention you are attempting to straw man atheists, as if to bring them down to your level, as you appear to imagine it. It is a complete misinterpretation, a rather dishonest one. You do realise you are essentially attempting, rather clumsily, to argue a classic argument from incredulity. All the things you mention are natural occurrences, that we have either a reasonable understanding of, or a quite incredible understanding of. Sadly you may not yourself be aware of it. They are all however demonstrable and many are actual observations. We only have ever had examples of or evidence of, or been demonstrable of natural phenomena. We have zero evidence of or examples of anything NON natural. It is YOU if asserting the supernatural who are attempting to use an argument of the gaps argument. Which an argument from incredulity is a subset of. However, I kind of suspect you have little interest in reality or being intellectually honest. You appear intent on spreading your emotionally based ideology. The posting of such nonsense, on a thread about something else entirely would suggest you didn't even bother to read the original post to begin with. It is kind of laughable; in a rather sad kind of way, that you imagine what you merely asserted, totally baselessly, as being important.

Who needs college with discourse like this on KZread?

@billjohnson1094

3 жыл бұрын

Maybe this IS the new college (Peterson's comment from a Rogan episode, and maybe elsewhere too).

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@AlanWinterboy

2 жыл бұрын

I do and did.

@foreman_spike

2 жыл бұрын

I’ll subscribe when you hire a competent sound crew

@Anicius_

2 жыл бұрын

Arrange one with dawkins and Peterson please? Perhaps with an emphasis on meaning ...he has already called Richard 'shallow' and well.. the author of the selfish gene isn't shallow perhaps they can get to know each other better

@AlanWinterboy

2 жыл бұрын

@@Anicius_ I can't believe Sam Harris and Lawrence Krauss ever legitimized Peterson by debating/featuring him. I'll bet you $1000 that Peterson will never debate Dawkins. If he has, I've never found it. If he does, the only way he could ever prevail is the only way he ever can/does: Dominate the speaking time and keep returning to the same unanswerable/already-answered points.

Your empathy doesn't drop as more suffering is added, your ability to do something about it does. When helping others destroys yourself, empathy is gone.

"We have to be more sophisticated about these sorts of things." -Jordan 100% agreed.

They must have hired a post-modernist to do the sound work on these events.

@k.t.lalrintluanga9879

4 жыл бұрын

When i read this laughed as i immediately pictured a self entitled brat

@viperstriker4728

3 жыл бұрын

There are infinite degrees to volume and all are valid, at least that's what I assume the sound guy believes.

@joshboston2323

3 жыл бұрын

Sounds more like they hired a pre-modernist..

@lucaslopez2091

3 жыл бұрын

good one 😂😂

@jlindsay

3 жыл бұрын

MTV | Politics | Pied Piper | Battle for hearts & minds ..Ω. kzread.info/dash/bejne/jHiA2KajXcy6mqw.html

Great debate great points to work on…

What makes these conversations so enjoyable is the fact that all parties are using words to communicate rather than to manipulate, and that is so rare today.

This debate is 400 years old - basically “How do we define the edges between subjective and objective validity criteria?” Hegel and Kant spent most of their lives on this.

@siriusfun

5 жыл бұрын

It's a lot older than that. Tuck in to Plato's Republic.

@-Gorbi-

5 жыл бұрын

siriusisastar Oh I know. I did one of my college theses on the Good, the True and the Beautiful, and their respective incommensurable validity criteria.

@rightwrongorindifferent1493

5 жыл бұрын

book recommendations on this?

@Magneticitist

5 жыл бұрын

Right but that's just Peterson's debate. Harris wasn't interested because its already been covered in his opinion. Harris seemed to be stuck trying to respond to arguments he's heard a hundred times before that Peterson may have felt were ground breaking. A few times he had to just interrupt Peterson to let him know he already knew where he was going with his drawn out point to shut him down. You can't lose an argument with the view of "anything is possible" and you can't lose an argument with the view of "bad things happening to people is bad".

@-Gorbi-

5 жыл бұрын

Right Wrong or Indifferent: I recommend listening to the Partially Examined Life Podcast, their episode on Hegel’s Science Of Logic - they compare how Kant and Hegel saw the world constructed differently, which gets to the heart of this. Kant saw us as disinterested agents encountering the world and constructing representations of it, Hegel saw our minds and bodies as already constructed and informed by the world, its dynamics already ingrained in us - a world impossible to stand back from.

Critique aside, after watching four hours of Vancouver and this series back to back (which were two weeks apart), you can see that they both really do have a soft spot for each other and truly respect the others point of view even in disagreement. They are themselves the very metaphor of two opposing ideologies that seek common ground. Super inspirational. I’ve gotten no work done today but it’s exactly what I needed. The amount of sh!t were pushing uphill as a society is staggering and I’ll be surprised if we ever “transcend cynicism”, but I’d love to be coloured surprise one day.

That was amazing man.

The spirit of mankind will tumble and be hurt but always will find the truth and the right path. In these hard times we need more men like them who can guide us through.

Who is the tool that angrily screams their names at the beginning and end lol it's not WrestleMania bro

@judahtait4068

5 жыл бұрын

kyebean I thought the same thing😆

@samjamesmusic

5 жыл бұрын

SAM CENA! Do doo do doooo

@DerricktheWhite

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah it made me laugh

@MatticusPrime1

5 жыл бұрын

That’s Travis Pangburn, the organizer.

@verfassungspatriot

5 жыл бұрын

mmmh, to some degree it is WrestleMania... that's what the tool implies ^^

Both of these men are incredible to listen to. Could listen to them debate/discuss for days on end without getting bored it.

38:35 We cannot evolve to have a perfect understanding of reality, given we are contained by it. We must make generalizations and simplifications. We hope that those simplifications and generalizations do not lead to problematic errors.

Sam's imaginary tarrot card reading is just too funny :D 29:00 And Petterson is just beeing himslef: 'dominance hierarchy', 'objective reality', 'descent into chaos', 'smth approximating heaven', 'it's complicated' - all the catch phrases delivered without fail. But when he starts discussing social matters you could pretty much start taking notes.

@janglandis773

Жыл бұрын

Donald Trump uses the same words over and over. So does Peterson. The only difference between Trump and Peterson is the number of words they use over and over and over and over. But in the end, they both speak gobblygoop.

@SleepyHamsters

Жыл бұрын

@@janglandis773 the fact that you even compared the two just tells everyone how little effort you have put into trying to understand that Peterson has been saying or even what Harris and Peterson has been discussing. Even Harris himself doesn't take that stance even the slightest, that's how much he actually respects and understands Peterson's point of view despite disagreeing with him and vise versa. Don't stay ignorant for too long.

@angelvollant864

5 ай бұрын

​@@janglandis773 That is extremely dismissive. Sure, there are overarching concepts which Peterson refers to often. But just because you don't understand these concepts doesn't make it all "gobblypoop". Jordan Peterson is very admirative of Carl Jung, and his archetypes. I have a similar level of admiration for Jung. And so Dr. Peterson will often refer to these archetypes. And an archetype, in short, is "the ideal version of that specific concept". And by "ideal", we don't mean morally good. Rather, it's the best version of that. For example, hell is the best version of what the worst experience imaginable can be. Therefore, hell is the archetype of the worst experience. When he says "something approximating heaven", he means something like the best possible experience. When you understand that his speech is about archetypal representations of reality and potentiality, you understand that he doesn't speak purely from a religiously fundamentalist standpoint, but rather a representational point of view. If you think about what he speaks for longer than what you would think of Trump, you would see value in what he says. Now he uses complicated words, which in a sense makes it easier to dismiss his words as "gobblypoop". But non-understanding doesn't warrant dismission. It just warrants further attention and learning.

It's a miracle how Douglas never got assaulted by Peterson's moving arms throughout the discussion.

@junkscience6397

5 жыл бұрын

Is that all you could come up with? Wow...Congratulations?

@miranarouze5605

5 жыл бұрын

I love it when these two get together . They both are amazing.

@14goldmedals

5 жыл бұрын

Zachary James Short Canadians built the Canadarm that’s in the shuttles building the space station. Don’t mess with Canadian arms...you will lose!

@Johanna040713

5 жыл бұрын

Actually, has Peterson ever said what his view of homosexual relationships are?

@nathanielace7534

3 жыл бұрын

“Well that depends on what you mean by assault, this is a very complex issue”

22:25 I just noticed their body language. It's interesting that JP is literally on the edge of his seat, having a hard time not rising to his feet, he finds the ideas so moving and motivating. Whereas Harris is calm and cool and more 'collected' you could say -- precisely what they started talking about: that stories have more 'oompf', more weight, more power to motivate than 'cold, sterile facts'. I'm not saying one is inherently better. It's just fascinating that as JP talks about *embodied truth/rationality/meaning/ideal* he can't help but literally embody it in impassioned speech. Which is precisely the thing Harris fears [understandably, given the horrors perpetrated in the name of religion] -- that you can't have story be the foundation because it always and inexorably lends itself to extremism and intolerance [in his opinion]. And crazily, Harris' body language matches that -- skeptical, calm, inquisitive, listening and open to understanding a different idea. :-D I personally think both are important and overlapping messages: that we need to tell stories well [JP], to unite us under a common cause of maximum human and 'other species' flourishing [overlap]. And that we need to be hyper vigilant against dogmatism and pride in thinking one has cornered the market for truth -- ie. I am right, everyone who disagrees has nothing to say that I can learn from -- which leads to intolerance and harm [Harris].

@JuicyLeek

4 жыл бұрын

Sam is one of the few public debaters to have over 20 years of mindfulness meditation experience, and he's also very actively involved in that community. There are a few other, lesser known public speakers with similar experience, and they all exhibit similar levels of composure during extended discussions.

@jacobandersen6075

4 жыл бұрын

This comment is beautiful. Thank you.

@aesthetewithoutacause3981

4 жыл бұрын

Yes, although I think part of the reason Sam is so zen is because he has decades if experience of meditation and is in a kind if perpetually mindful state

@qine6559

4 жыл бұрын

Wow! Love this comment!

@KhromTX

4 жыл бұрын

@Vampiresoap I disagree. Peterson has always been very animated with his body language even in his college lectures.

I’ve watched the first 2 and I agree with the thought of making a better world for us all. I also believe that removing the current religions would help but let’s face it that’s not going to happen. But I love that we are finally talking about this in public without being persecuted

Best debate of the three 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

@titteryenot4524

2 жыл бұрын

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