WARNING: I will never ask for your contact info in the comments section, that is someone impersonating me!

@lifeisagift5627

Ай бұрын

Why did you deleted my message?

@v1kt0u5

Ай бұрын

Hi Tom. I despise your lazy timestamps, the bare minimum and specifically ambiguous to make us watch more ¬¬ I love all the rest...

@aliknight8419

Ай бұрын

Sam Harris does not want you to know about the Operation Northwoods and lavon affair

@michaelmonaco9277

Ай бұрын

😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅

@michaelmonaco9277

Ай бұрын

😅

Frankly, after 28 minutes of this it just sounded like “my intellect is bigger than your intellect and my false humility is deeper than your false humility”. This conversation has one too many people in it and his thinly masked massive egoism and self denial of partisanship poisoned the conversation for me.

@BradyHansen81

Ай бұрын

Agreed

@woodybear8298

Ай бұрын

Agree, that's what most of these debates are turning into.

@huntr1998

Ай бұрын

Well said.

@junjurakhman4779

Ай бұрын

Absolutely

@freddieoblivion6122

Ай бұрын

I'd call it 'la la kabba-lah'

In the middle of this conversation, Bilyeu pauses to shill for an outfit selling gold to a fearful public. Beyond belief.

@MADDcartman

Ай бұрын

Are those gold sellers lowkey a scam? Or just a suboptimal investment. I’m doubtful it outcompetes mutual funds especially going through two middle men on the way. Idk though.

@chainerscalleri6931

Ай бұрын

First of all it's a sponsor of the show ok. Secondly if you are opposed to a show advertising to people to consider gold (or crypto) vs fiat currency as an investment then you aren't paying attention to what is happening.

@big_red_machine3547

Ай бұрын

If he hosts Peter Schiff, I’m definitely going to have to unsubscribe

@andrewlkozar

Ай бұрын

They were shills the whole damn show

@res2590

Ай бұрын

I think this is called advertisements … which will pay him in full instead of KZread adds where you get less or nothing depending on how much your content aligns with the KZread thought police…. Also better then “join my investment Seminar bla bla” which I see in my KZread adds…

Russell Brand comes to.mind as someone who has been radicalised by his own audience. His earlier podcast under the skin used to have very nuanced conversations with people and lots of different topics. Whenever I see what he's doing now most of it seems to be pandering to the conspiracy theorist slant as that's who have got him clicks. It's a shame.

@roykeane1922

14 күн бұрын

How do you not realise how truly sanctimonious a position yours is? 😂 Honest to god, people like you are beyond terrifying.

@Louis.R

13 күн бұрын

radicalized into Catholic faith?

@bengreenwood1734

13 күн бұрын

100% agree. He's not interesting at all anymore

@nicolasbascunan4013

13 күн бұрын

History is full of conspiracies. Read more.

@1camchy

12 күн бұрын

I like Russell but I have to agree his name came to my mind

I may not always agree 100% with Harris, but he is one of those men that people should listen closer. He doesn't deserve the hate he got from some liberals, freethinkers and intellectuals. * * and conservatives!

@chrisocony

Ай бұрын

You forgot the conservatives in your list which probably give him the most hate, as you can see in the comments.

@Scoring57

Ай бұрын

dunkel He absolutely does. He's completely tone deaf and he keeps bringing up bad arguments trying to downplay police racism and brutality which the black community knew was an issue before social media. Trying to rely on stats from the same system that targets black people seems quite incoherent (especially when they lie on police reports etc and are often times believed without much question or probing). Not to mention the fact that police departments weren't recording their killings of civilians until these movements and protests. Can you believe that? A government agency not bothering to account for and make record of the lives they've taken of civilians? So trying to use these stats to say something about how many black people have been killed by police compared to any other group or how they're treated by police makes no sense because a large part of that information wasn't recorded He says this even after these movements have at least shown that when police are questioned some prove worthy of prison for killings that previously might been assumed to be justified. Investigations have also shown whole police departments to be full of rabid racists, or rouge individuals who openly target and abuse black individuals repeatedly. Treating people like they're foolish and have no sense of reality and what's right and wrong and are just puppets of social media isn't going to get you far no matter how intelligent or eloquent you sound.

@Scoring57

Ай бұрын

@@chrisocony As someone who spends most of his time attacking the left unless the right is saying something absolutely bonkers like the earth is flat or the vaccine has demons, i think it's well deserved from both sides. From the left because of course he constantly attacks them, and the right because it's a beautiful irony that he panders to them on social issues and how 'crazy the left is' and they still attack him. He was their beloved genius before he stepped on their toes

@jimkim2712

Ай бұрын

Furthurmore, you cannot pick and choose stats. Numbers and statistics do lie and depending on the way you sample it, the regression you use, it can provide a greatly different picture. Therefore, either he accept the police brutality stats and the Israel Palestine Stats, or he accept neither. In this case, it is just simply hypocrisy.

@noahwurtz9921

Ай бұрын

@@Scoring57wow. You are so far down the rabbit hole. Crazy!

While I disagree with Sam on a few issues, I cant fathom how so many here roundy dismiss him. His take on George Floyd/BLM was one of the few voices of reason at that time, and thats a big deal, and he has always been spot on with Islam when so few white westerners dare to even question it!

@Viryn

Ай бұрын

Sam is great on many topics, not all, but many. I think people completely lose it when he is not on the same side as them on their pet topic or theory. Everything seems so cultish nowadays, unfortunately.

@giltuito1545

Ай бұрын

They don't like sam because he's been around for a long time.. Kisin and Tom haven't... just BS. None of them can hold a candle to Sam's intellectual depth

@Viryn

Ай бұрын

@giltuito1545 I agree to some extent. I have followed and read Sam for 20 years now. He is amazing on the important topics. The only problem I have with Sam personally is that he spends too little time on the threats to society and civilization. I get that he is tired of that and wants to focus on the positive sides instead. I just find that he is losing some of the ground he has gained by doing that. And for not enough benefits to civilization from his other interests.

@chingron

Ай бұрын

A self proclaimed “intellectual” should be openminded and always remain objective. When it comes to Trump, Sam has lost all objectivity and often cited known media lies as fact. Based on this alone, he has lost all credibility as an “intellectual”. How can you trust an “intellectual” who repeats media lies?

@avengemybreath3084

Ай бұрын

Because of his insane and emotional takes on Trump and COVID. That is why. It’s hard to stomach his condescending fake intellectualism in light of those.

Its a bit obnoxious when the ad breaks are midsentence, i get that its to come in a moment when we are the least prone to stop watching but it really messes up the flow of listening to the point where it becomes difficult to understand the full context

@stonepaintertim

Ай бұрын

it's deliberate

@technokicksyourass

Ай бұрын

Use a browser that support ad-blocking.

@headdown1

Ай бұрын

I finally got fed up with the constant ads and got an ad blocker for KZread. They don't seem to realize that their users have limits. I can now listen to conversations like this as I work, without ads running on and on and on unless I go to the computer and click through them. These ads that run forever unless clicked through is so obnoxious, and KZread FAFO. Now I don't have to deal with them at all.

@plixplop

Ай бұрын

​@@headdown1I do this for computer but haven't found one for Android

Regarding the laptop, it was in the hands of the FBI in 2019.

Sam won't debate RFK for the same reason he won't debate Bret Weinstein. People who aren't willing to engage but are bent on Gish Galloping and making a frustrating discussion all the while gaining a platform that neither deserve.

@HarryPainter

Ай бұрын

How much does Sam pay you for your services

@rustyosgood5667

Ай бұрын

@@HarryPainter Yup...another nasty comment from yet another weak as fk, no name troll....

@beantacos1843

29 күн бұрын

1st "gish galloping"? 2nd, bret weinstein is a fool.

@rustyosgood5667

29 күн бұрын

Quick G search....works every time...Bret is a "fool" for selling out. Likely smarter than average which is why it's a shame he sold out. Ah well...

@RO-uz4oi

25 күн бұрын

@@rustyosgood5667 How did he sell out?

For an intelligent guy, Sam Harris has been profoundly wrong on too many issues.

@stdamonsbeard

Ай бұрын

Just because your smart doesn’t make you immune to being wrong. If anything sometimes it makes the problem worse. They can convince themselves of things because they think there too smart to be wrong.

@leanneporter2661

Ай бұрын

I agree

@itssteve6018

Ай бұрын

It's even worse that he can't admit to being wrong.

@jasonhutchins9239

Ай бұрын

I dont think hes that intelligent i think hes arrogant

@Domzdream

Ай бұрын

100% I’m so disappointed in him. He used to be a bit of a hero of mine. But lately….he’s just lost his way.

53:01 "Contrite" doesn't mean what he thinks it means.

@Dimera09

12 күн бұрын

This guy completely kills the flow of the chat whenever he speaks

@Richard_Stroker

14 сағат бұрын

He probably thinks it's a super-mega-ultra-powered version of "trite"

Not a Finkelstein fan and I don’t agree with a lot of his positions especially with regards to Israel, but worth clarifying that he was a Maoist in university and then completely regretted it referring to his younger self as an embarrassing imbecile. So currently he is not a Maoist

@stereoreviewx

Ай бұрын

Yes that was a flagrant attack on Finkelstein who they both fear I think

@ghosthunter0950

Ай бұрын

the guy is still a Russia apologist just because it's anti west. he justified the invasion of Ukraine. apparently some extremists can never help themselves from other extreme positions.

@emilianosintarias7337

Ай бұрын

by currently you mean longer than either of these 2 guys have been alive. Also Mao is so lied about and such a myth for people like this and in the west now in general (JBP is the worst on this), that they would be in real trouble talking to an apolitical historian that's a Mao scholar, or talking to a person from china.

@jacobhammock3355

Ай бұрын

​@@emilianosintarias7337You do realize that Taiwan....is the people who escaped from China as the community is regime was doing ideological cleansing. Mao is responsible for the death of millions of Chinese people dude. That is not an opinion, it is an observation of reality.

@jonathandrake8640

Ай бұрын

@@emilianosintarias7337 The special kind of stupid: 20th century Mass Murder's Apologism & our now politically fashionable. See Also: Anti Capitalism or Progressivism for imbeciles. Exhibit A

The internet has become the same 12 or so people having the same 10 or so conversations on the same 5 or so podcasts. Everyone has their "thing" and all they do is hammer on it. It's the never ending book tour. I don't doubt most of these people get into this for the "right reasons" but I think all end up getting addicted to the smell of their own farts.

@ledaswan5990

Ай бұрын

I hear you. I started listening to this stuff during Covid but holy jeezus it has descended into babble and jibber jabber that is impossible to listen to. It’s pointless BS and yes they just go on each other’s shows to display their egos and promote their books and products. Ugh. Back to the books for me.

@joshuaherrera358

Ай бұрын

wtf? I think you literally might be too dumb to be listening to this. Go watch some rogan

@TheJghan

Ай бұрын

So true.

@brianmeen2158

Ай бұрын

It is true though in that this space really needs some new fresh minds ..At this point there is so much overlap with guests and the thousands of podcasts out there. I still enjoy listening to Sam Harris a few others though What’s strange is I’m not seeing any young up and coming intellectuals . Why isn’t academia producing more of them?

@chrislats8891

Ай бұрын

Tell us more all wise one

Unpopular opinion: this conversation is going nowhere. Around, in circles.

@ledaswan5990

Ай бұрын

Popular with me. What a waste of time. Who gives a crap what these idiots think about ANYTHING!

@ghost9-9ghost

Ай бұрын

Agreed. To some degree I blame Tom bilyeu....Bilyeu presents himself confidently and he speaks clearly ....and therefore people (including himself) consider him intellectual.....but he's not....Tom is no more an intellectual than max lugavere...or Aubrey Marcus.. ..or any number of well spoken successful and confident entrepreneurs

@mammabear4342

Ай бұрын

@@ghost9-9ghostyes. The language he uses feels a little inauthentic. There’s something forced. I don’t know how to describe it well, the only word that comes to mind is “yuppy”. Yuppy speak. Lol 🤷🏻‍♀️ It feels fake tho.

@Mr.Amazing-vx3li

Ай бұрын

​@@mammabear4342I agree. It's both impressive and.. idk, condemning in way. I've never cared for him, his interviews or his personal input into the conversations. Hes very mediocre in my opinion.. but here he is, with a very successful podcast despite these short comings. So at least hes determined, has built a functional team and is able to secure interesting guests largely. Hes simply willed his way to success and I watch some of his content despite not particularly caring for it. So hats off to him for that much.

@mammabear4342

Ай бұрын

@@Mr.Amazing-vx3li that’s a respectable, fair and charitable perspective. Respect 🫡

How is this a debate if the monitor keeps interjecting his opinions?

@hollywooda111

Ай бұрын

He loves the sound of his own voice, unlike anyone else.

@thommelito1673

Ай бұрын

He talks a lot and says absolutely nothing

@Ayyy_its_Wally

Ай бұрын

Tom is insufferable. He has two fascinating guests and can’t help but try to inject himself into it. It’s pure ego and a lack of self awareness.

@PaperGrape

Ай бұрын

Well, I get you, but also because it it's a debate on his podcast, with him as mediator, not at a university. It's perfectly reasonable to expect.

@matthewparlato5626

Ай бұрын

Never vibes with the dude...a try hard ? Or soemthing?

Sam and Konstantin are amongst the most reasonable and valuable youtube-intellectuals out there. keep up the good work!

We can't know the truth without honesty and that's thin on the ground.

@christophermarcone5504

Ай бұрын

these dudes are simply pretending to be objective when it's obvious on many levels they are totally bias and agenda driven . Mostly , they over simplify and generalize on many subjects in order to appeal to their base . It's more like politics than journalism

@Hands2HealNow

Ай бұрын

We can have honesty...We can have the Trivium and critical thinking.

@TheMellett

Ай бұрын

Nicely put

@AurielArizola

Ай бұрын

Somebody said this about people being interviewed: "If they're not anxious, they're not honest."

@jessesewell7922

Ай бұрын

Precisely. This is why the West is failing massively in the Academies right now with respect to doing real Science. Liars are not capable of doing Science because Science is the pursuit of Truth.

If we all just took all the time spent listening to these podcasts and took a walk outside instead we would all be immeasurably better off.

@realMaverickBuckley

Ай бұрын

Largely true. But the issue is, if you don't navigate your path, other people will. And one day , you might find yourself in a position where you're not allowed to leave your house for the walk.

@imperfectious

Ай бұрын

I'm walking my dog while listening.

@loupasternak

Ай бұрын

i do both. walking outside is overrated.

@Isaacr90

Ай бұрын

I listen while walking outside

@Scoring57

Ай бұрын

😄😄😄 Yeah, too much yap yap but they can't seem to say anything profound or insightful. People like this refuse to actually engage with conversation they're having

What a great conversation. I have not listened to Tom Bilyeu’s podcast before and I came here because of Sam and Konstantinos, but the discussion covers several issues that requires more than just sound bites.

@chichora123

Ай бұрын

​@@Flarb1117Exactly. He so wants Neocon Ukraine war

Doesn't seem like a debate but I appreciated the conversation! Great video

@chichora123

Ай бұрын

Filled with the customary Trump Derangement Syndrome

@tonynav1082

25 күн бұрын

@@chichora123 true, trump supporters are indeed deranged beyond belief

There have been multiple attempts to have good faith debates between someone representing the ivory tower types and those on fringe opinion side. The ivory tower types don't show up. They often give the excuse of not wanting to "dignity" or "platform" the other side with a debate.

@qwerty123457891

Ай бұрын

are you referring to Sam not wanting to platform Bret Weinstein? If not, name several examples?

@shannontreiber1070

Ай бұрын

And for good reason.

@mattturner5429

Ай бұрын

​@@shannontreiber1070The good reason being that the ivory tower types are afraid to have their bubbles burst for all the Internet to see?

@needparalegal

Ай бұрын

Harris is too dumb to understand how obvious his hypocrisy and TDS is.

@needparalegal

Ай бұрын

@@qwerty123457891 One of a hundred examples.

So much to say!... that keeps turning into two hundred word essays, so I'll just say: I enjoyed this talk very much. Thanks.

In any conversation there are two driving desires. Each party has a personal desire to reach a personal goal and a joint desire to state the most likely description of reality. The truth is when we both agree to set aside our personal desires, and instead, find a true description of reality.

Some interesting talking points, but everyone comes across as very self important

@theproperenglishman

Ай бұрын

Not everyone can come across as humble as Tucker Carlson 😂😂😂

@youtubecontent6394

Ай бұрын

Wait until you find out that the Islam hatred these guys spread into the world is because they aren’t actually here to be anti-woke

@hartyewh1

Ай бұрын

I read it as more frustrated and tired of the situation. It's mostly a losing battle against a populace that lacks the awareness to not allow social media trash their societies with their own help.

@Dimera09

Ай бұрын

Konstantin is great. Sam has great insights. This Tom guy is TEDIOUS!

@valentin8797

Ай бұрын

Didn't watch it yet, but I never understood why people care about this. The points are either good or bad. Attitude is less important.

But Sam the idea that corporate and political interests influence the consensus of experts is not an "extraordinary claim that requires extraordinary evidence"

@reinforcedpenisstem

Ай бұрын

Depends on the specific instance of influence

@mwilliamson4198

Ай бұрын

Exactly. His intellectual blind spot is SOO massive, it's difficult to continue to engage with him.That said I do like Eric Weinstein's comment regarding Sam, that he needs to be supported, not shunned. He still has a contribution to make, just on certain topics I'll pay no attention

@ASimoneau

Ай бұрын

If you walk the Earth assuming that consensus opinions, by definition, shouldn't be trusted, you'll be wrong about things far more often than you'll be right. Some people make organize their lives and careers around find topics upon which they can be the lone voice shouting a contrary opinion at the rain. And many many many people organize their lives around finding and gravitating toward such people.

@jeffcapes

Ай бұрын

@@ASimoneau but to never question that consensus can also be a mistake too, the hoax papers affair with peter boghossian, james lindsay and helen pluckrose has shown there are a number of peer reviewed journals that have become ideologically corrupted, and even in light of this - nobody is doing anything about it, governments intentionally lying to their populations during covid "for the public good" is another example, EG when people were told not to wear masks and that they did nothing, only to flip flop and tell us we needed masks everywhere in every situation. too often we are being misled under the cover of "trust the science", which seems ever more just an appeal to authority rather than confidence in the scientific method

@parkerlincoln49

Ай бұрын

In the specific context of “the consensus of experts” I would say that it is an extraordinary claim to state that they have all been captured by private interests everywhere, especially in the sense that the totality of evidence almost always vindicates those experts. The consensus of experts has ebbed and flowed over time, but it has pretty consistently been proven right, especially on the important things, than it has been shown to be wrong. Even in the area where we could say there is the highest level of private interest compared to genuine hard science and research being done, nutritional science, there are rigorous and good results that are reliable, despite the massive influx of private interests. More often then not the issues comes not from the opinion held to be the consensus but how the “established” opinion interacts with the mass public and how the mass public approaches the consensus. It’s less a matter of them being too wrong too often and a matter of conspiratorially minded minorities throwing shots out and them being unwilling to engage.

Studio lighting and set up are so dope over here!

I couldn't find the cost of membership to be a subscriber, so you offer an option to be a member for retail traders? If so what is the cost? Thanks in advance!

some of my favorite people to listen to but they all seem to be flailing and stumbling terribly this time??? I can't figure out what's going wrong but its a painful watch.

@420prole

Ай бұрын

They are avoiding elephants in the room

@vikruus7997

Ай бұрын

@@420prole i think you called it.

@ericblair1978

Ай бұрын

Ego.

@raincadeify

Ай бұрын

Tom as discussion cop is a buzz kill.

@gmw3083

Ай бұрын

Did the zios not even mention zioland? It's hard to be openly supportive of the most despised nation in history....

Forty minutes into this conversation and I'm no better off than where I started. It's better to have them start off debating.

@hartyewh1

Ай бұрын

Sure you didn't just miss how the points apply to you as well?

@RBurns80

Ай бұрын

@@hartyewh1 Even if they did, what difference does it make?

@hartyewh1

Ай бұрын

@@RBurns80 Would be worthwhile for him to know that the issue lies at the other end of the equation. A lot of this talk involved the meta level of such podcasts and information dissemination in society which arguably is more important than any individual topic since from Ukraine to the culture wara it is the most difficult and apparently influential aspect beyond any factual or practical concerns.

@RBurns80

Ай бұрын

@@hartyewh1 The issue lies on all ends of the equation. That's the point. Sam is just as much trapped in his bubble as we are in ours. Most of what he said is absolute hogwash that he uses opportunistically and hypocritically to claim what he believes is true or reasonable, and what everyone else believes is irrational, biased, and downright evil. He is so obnoxious and wrong I can't stand listening to him. Sam isn't made of a finer clay than I. With that said, I gave him the benefit of the doubt a few years back when he admitted that all humans have cognitive-dissonance(including himself). He described it as two people looking at the same screen and watching two different movies. This was back when Trump was president and Sam had had a bad case of Trump-Derangement syndrome. He was annoying his audience so he at least showed some humility in accepting the possibility that he might be wrong. But he seems to have forgot all of that and now just rants about how stupid the rest of us are.

@hartyewh1

Ай бұрын

@@RBurns80 Anyone who unironically says TDS has TDSS (Trump Derangement Syndrome Syndrome) where they have at least an equally warped view of reality as the worst anti-Trump screechers. I also noticed you didn't give a single example presumably to avoid having to support any part of what you said.

Please don't ever say that you "think in fractals" thats gotta be one of the most pretentious thing I've ever heard.

This is what I got from this discussion. Through truth, we counter chaos. Rationality, reason, and logic were in full display throughout the entirety of this video. Thank you, gentlemen, for the display of integrity and authenticity.

Joe does push back on wild claims, especially from political types. Cat Williams and Terrance Howard are comedian/actors that no one takes serious so push back isn’t warranted. They don’t have the influence that political types do

@shannontreiber1070

Ай бұрын

Joe NEVER truly pushes back. One time: Candace Owens on climate change. Else-he lets them run with a few questions here and there.

@brianmeen2158

Ай бұрын

Ehh Joe is very prejudiced or picky when it comes to which guests he will use back against. For whatever reason it seems he is terrified of pushing back on his black guests unless it is Candace Owens . As of late though he really does need to have more leftists on his show .. I say that as a guy that’s on the right

@user-he6rs8xi7u

Ай бұрын

​@@shannontreiber1070and Crowder on weed. And Shapiro on systemic racism. And Walsh on gays. Only a few, and only from the right.

@brandonburns5365

Ай бұрын

​@@user-he6rs8xi7uthose seem like things most would push back on.😅

@brandonburns5365

Ай бұрын

​@@brianmeen2158what have the black guest said that warranted pushback on?

It's tough to read some of these thoughtless comments. I catch some Impact Theory, but man, I'm happy to see the world through a different lens than some of these folks. Tom appreciates nuance, but it doesn't seem to transfer to his audience, unfortunately.

@lordjaraxxus663

Ай бұрын

Its mostly right wing idiots who liked sam harris when he was talking shit about the woke left, but as soon as sam criticized their little saviour trump, their cult broke down in tears and hates sam.

@technokicksyourass

Ай бұрын

The audience came expecting drama, and instead heard a civil conversation among moderates.

@jayl271322

Ай бұрын

My thinking exactly. The irony of this being a conversation about the value of pursuing truth and an accurate view of the map is astonishing.

Great talk! Im so glad, having Sam Harris on Earth! Constantin is so great & clearheaded too! And what a cracious host! Thank you all!

@codycoldbrewski572

Ай бұрын

Sam Harris is an idiot

I actually had a first hand experience with the cognitive bias/uneducated position in discussion recently with my cousin. She’s in her mid 30s, definitely on the left and extremely sympathetic to the idea of systemic racism in policing. When I asked her of examples of unarmed black men being killed by police, I was definitely a bit shocked because she said she had a ton of examples. As we went through each example, I remained silent, she had about 9 examples. At the end I informed her that she hadn’t shown me one single example. When I explained to her she had shown me examples of black men that had been killed by police, but were in fact armed. I come to find out, she didn’t know what the word “armed” meant…I kindly let her know this was meme level ignorance on her part

Sam never mentioned a lying democrat.

@JoeHarnden1991

Ай бұрын

@JoeHarnden1991 0 seconds ago This is the thing with Sam. He can always bring up trump and how he’s bad but when you start with how deeply rooted the corruption is he never bring up those people . How can you be honest when your baseline is always trump and will never oust anyone else who actually created the corruption that’s deeply rooted in Big Pharma, the government or the military. Trump was on TV and a real estate / entrepreneur . He didn’t create the issues we have in America. He called them out . That’s why people agree with him. And with Sam. But we don’t all think trump is the reason.

@maxmadmagoo

Ай бұрын

We have been living with 3 years of lying Democrats and they know they can lie because the MSM and people like Sam Harris won’t hold them accountable,

@TimBitts649

Ай бұрын

Honesty means calling out the mistakes of both sides. In other words Sam is not honest.

@darkpatches

Ай бұрын

Well, they're just not as proficient at it. You have to pick your battles.

@jlpowell51

Ай бұрын

Probably because he couldn't pick just one, I mean where would you begin?

All these comments are exactly what i expected. Sam harris is unbearable to listen too

@richardfraser7024

Ай бұрын

So your echo chamber is confirmed?

@Rem_NL

Ай бұрын

@@richardfraser7024 nah he just doest understands sams superiority like sam does

@FoulBundy

Ай бұрын

@@richardfraser7024 it always is, somewhere.

@maxfairclough3600

Ай бұрын

It’s what I expected, in that it’s nothing but ad hominem and not a critique of anything Sam has said.

@johnwatts8346

Ай бұрын

@@richardfraser7024 lame comment.

Konstantin tries to be an intellectual, Sam IS an intellectual. I appreciate some of Konstantin’s insights but so much prefer Sam’s heavily thoughtful and experienced approach.

Konstantin, Tom: thanks so much for pressing Sam on the RFK request. It would be really helpful for him to roll up his sleeves and sort things out with RFK, but even seeing Sam's response to being pressed on the issue is somewhat informative (if a bit disappointing). Huge thank you to all three of you for your contributions to sensemaking.

Why does it matter now? It has never mattered before with main stream media and government agencies.

Tom i dont think you have the right panel today but damn do i respect what you are doing. Every time i think you are going to hit a ceiling, you punch right through it with brand new curiosity. Keep going.

I inappropriately count evidence that conforms with my systems and you inappapropiately discount evidence that doesn't conform with your systems. As long as I know you discount evidence I know to be true, due only to the fact that it doesn't conform with your systems, I would then disregard the things you say in general regardless of their future truth.

@stagecoachmechanic

Ай бұрын

You nailed it.

@tanyarep2

Ай бұрын

Great Scott the Gamer, you stated what is happening on both the human and anti-human sides of these debates. We need to hear people describe the evidence and counter evidence with acknowledgement that we may be starting to teeter towards concepts we found inconceivable prior to the US triple eclipse. Like free energy, being motivated when not working, humanity with zero meds, cancer treatment suppression globally, icewalls, polar shifts, weather control, power/refrigeration suppression, intentional Maui and CA destruction, international starvation and food supply issues due to Holland farm confiscation, and currency/money might be shifted away from digital, bc, gold, fiat and/or CBDC.... Who knows long term. But more and more evidence of the inconceivable keeps mounting just like false flags that drive nefarious people & bankers to war, but this time people are actually moving the curtains to find the veils that are getting lifted globally. And evidence is being searched instead of forcefed while tools are being designed to weed out top down anti-human agendas and fakes.

Having Norm Finkeslstein say the same thing over and over... there is already enough documented history of him repeating his own self importance, you do not need to platform it - again. That's how we relegate bad ideas to the dustbin.

@gasparm.2711

25 күн бұрын

And Sam doesn't repeat himself (or Israeli propaganda): human shields, Israel should defend itself, the IDF is a moral army, islam is an inferior culture. Repeat.

You have so many amazing intellectuals. Started listening to Sam Harris this week. He is supporting my rights and next generations rights. Not ‘the left’. Some of us fought so hard for our rights. Risked everything to be free of what leftist strongly supporting here. He describes it all so well. Much appreciate what Konstantin is doing too. He is great.

Why can't we just debate how a civil society can define right, relative to wrong, and proceed with how that society can establish guidelines under which those pursuing good are rewarded while, simultaneously, those pursuing what is deemed to be wrong, are punished to the full extent of the law?

@Super8888Baby

Ай бұрын

Because power corrupts and the winners write the rules and the history books. Incurious people want easy answers. Civility is wonderful, but not if it as the cost of freedom. It’s complicated.

@matthewparlato5626

Ай бұрын

Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil. The most important story on the earth

I'm 75% in, and it basically sounds like Sam considers himself to be the arbiter of truth. He also believes that all info should be filtered through the institutions that have a record of being untrustworthy.

@nilsengell8479

Ай бұрын

Which institutions are untrustworthy?

@thekromekitty

Ай бұрын

I cannot wait until Sam’s children grow up & turn his world upside down.

@elkegoldberg3876

Ай бұрын

CDC and FDA

@ericblair1978

Ай бұрын

Yes and yes. I understand his position that trusted institutions are a prerequisite for a functioning modern civilization, but he simply fails to understand that our current institutions have lost that trust with their words and actions. In their current form, they do not serve the purpose they exist for.

@chigbungus5257

Ай бұрын

​@@nilsengell8479all of them?

51:00 " "I had been a Maoist, and then when the Gang of Four was overthrown, I was completely distraught. I was bedridden for three weeks; it was a very painful experience for me. Not only because I had been wrong, but because I felt really embarrassed that I had been lecturing and pontificating with such self-confidence." -Norman Finkelstein are you guys stupid??

Sam Harris saying that he doesn't really think or worry about what the audience wants bc someone is always upset about "something"... That has ALWAYS been true! It's why there is a saying "you can't please all of the people all of the time"

Great guests! Thank you! Always interesting to listen Sam Harris ❤

They mad because they can no longer lie to you.....😂

It is bizarre to me that if Tapper and RFK have different versions of the same event Harris would conclude that RFK is the liar.

@stfon5

16 күн бұрын

If Sam thinks he has the truth he should not be afraid to debate it ongoing.

@majorkuntz

8 күн бұрын

If you can’t easily discern that RFK is a radish short of a salad, then I put it to you that your ability to filter bs and judge character is TOTALLY off…

Great and very intelligent discussion!

Excellent sit-down Tom. Having shows with guests such as these gentlemen precisely separates you from Rogan. Consistently.

@tomdivittis2688

Ай бұрын

Except that Rogan had Sam on years ago.........more than once, I believe.

@MisterMonsterMan

Ай бұрын

@@tomdivittis2688 Kisin has been on Rogan multiple times as well.

@BrianCheng24

Ай бұрын

Sam Harris was how I discovered Joe Rogan in 2016

@darrenlongley8491

29 күн бұрын

That very interesting. It's almost like you have never listened to Rogan's show.

@CantonBn

26 күн бұрын

@FRank, you seem not to know that Rogan has had them both. Harris many times. You should ask yourself why you yourself are spreading mis/disinformation against Rogan who you have made false claims against.

Weird. Sam tells a story about rfk and jake tapper and uses it to discredit rfk. How does he know tappers version is True? Tapper lies all the time. But sam seems to miss this important fact because if his biases

@shannontreiber1070

Ай бұрын

Tapper has the emails and proof. Check it out.

@michellemeister1317

Ай бұрын

Right??? This really stood out to me as a ridiculous take.

@jackeagleeye3453

Ай бұрын

Who honestly believes that RFK tells the truth more than Tapper? lol.

@cmhardin37

Ай бұрын

​@@jackeagleeye3453but he works at CNN

@georgevanderlaan5028

Ай бұрын

Can you give me 3 times Jake tapper lied so I can look them up and read about them? I consider Jake Tapper to be an honest journalist, so if you have some instances of him lying, I'd like to know about it so I can update my opinion of him.

So Sam's reaction to the Jake Tapper RFK he said she said thing is to just believe the other guy?

00:00 - Tools distort reality 21:48 - Ideas & the truth 41:15 - Historical context matters 1:00:46 - The spread of misinformation 1:21:54 - Carefully engage with criticism 1:38:55 - Protecting democracy and capitalism 19:28 - You mentioned someone like Tucker Carlson.

The least corrupt institution we’ve had???

@lordjaraxxus663

Ай бұрын

He said hes open to the possibility that institutions are the least corrupt they have been relative to the past. Is that too hard to understand for you Kevin, that you had to be a reactionary and type that with three interrogation marks without even understanding what is being said? I bet you vote for trump, Kevin.

@jamesjarvis530

Ай бұрын

@@lordjaraxxus663based

@theqaz1828

Ай бұрын

Department of cute kitty cats is pretty clean

@redross559

Ай бұрын

I thought this was a ridiculous statement also.

@allsystems321go

Ай бұрын

As opposed to every other time prior to now in u.s. history, almost certainly. Like saying "the most technologically advanced we've ever been." It doesn't mean it can't get better/less corrupt but that the past was worse/more corrupt.

Actual scholars wouldn’t debate norm Finkelstein? Benny morris has multiple times- Alan Dershowitz has- this is knowingly misleading

@jeffcapes

Ай бұрын

I think sam actually said many scholars probably wouldnt debate him, not that nobody would

@Plantpsycho919

Ай бұрын

I thought he was trying to insult konstantin

@andrewm4767

Ай бұрын

@@jeffcapesyeah that’s true I didn’t hear that quite right - but Sam’s argument is still that people shouldn’t interview Norm because he’s slightly eccentric? He has spent 40 years studying Gaza.

@jeffcapes

Ай бұрын

@@andrewm4767 I think im more with konstantin on this, if you think someone is wrong, the best antidote is sunlight, but sam isnt totally wrong, if you give everyone a mic there will just be a lot of noise to signal ratio

@andrewm4767

Ай бұрын

@@jeffcapes 100% agree

Imagine if they used the algorithm to make people happier.

@JeanBod1111

16 сағат бұрын

can't get rich that way

I wonder how Sam would have felt, if the laptop belonged to Don Jnr?

I'm happy about the WHO treaty have been paused for now, have any of these guys talked about that? It concerns every human on earth 🤔

@BouncySlim1

Ай бұрын

It's all a Distraction to what's really going on! The WHO treaty DOES concern every human being!!!!

Without truth there is no reality.

@NicBur-td8jl

Ай бұрын

So what do we do?

@BouncySlim1

Ай бұрын

​@@NicBur-td8jl Define Truth! sam can twist, turn, flip, sault and do verbal gymnastics -- yet he doesn't know what truth is. Without truth, he is just the same as RFK from a different perspective/world view. He feels he's right on every topic he speaks on, and anyone that disagree with him are conspiracy theorists, spreaders of disinformation, etc. Two sides of the same coin.

@andybaldman

12 күн бұрын

And there is no reality.

"being interested in what's ultimately true is the way that we can overcome out inclination to believe things that charismatic people tell us" Konstantin's answer for why truth is important is great!

@CantonBn

26 күн бұрын

I really cracked up at Harris saying if he said anything that tuned out to be untrue he would "lose 100% of my audience." In fact he has made objectively incorrect statements on several occasions

Konstantin keep saying you don't care what people think over and over again. Its gets more convincing each time. lol

Wow, the perfect debate, this is the one. Thanks Tom, my favourite podcaster for asking the big questions.

Is that "we" in the sense of being of a very small tribe we?

@notloki3377

Ай бұрын

maybe one of 12

Has Sam Harris the numbers for his claims and where can I find those, please?

Anyone else listening with AirPods and the sound keeps muting? Doesn’t happen on any other channel 🤷‍♀️ also happened on the clip trigonometry posted

@Joshua-eo5hr

10 күн бұрын

Weird

the fact that they lie is not the most offensive thing ; because lying leads to the truth ..It is that they lie, and then they worship their own lies . You see ?

You know, Sam, RFK has asked to debate your “credible” pro-vaccine people. Peter Hoetez was offered a debate on Rogan and 1 million to the charity if his choice, and declined. What is RFK supposed to do when no one will give him a debate. If it is so foolproof as you present it, vaccines, take RFK out in the subject once and for all. But yes the debate on Rogan … Petered out shall we say

@jackeagleeye3453

Ай бұрын

RFK doesn't debate in good faith, plus other scientists have offered to debate RFK and he never accepts their challenge

@firefly9838

Ай бұрын

Sam has stated many times before why he doesn't do these types of debates anymore... RFK will come on and immediately start a bunch of small fires that Sam has to spend the whole time trying to put out... its a trap

@Mazzphysics

Ай бұрын

I will debate him. Do you think he wants to debate me?

@davidcota-robles6750

Ай бұрын

Hotez will not debate RFK Jr. nor anyone else with knowledge of GOF research, WIV and COVID origins; much less those who have read the emails between Peter Daszak, Hotez, et al. Nor does he want to discuss the funding status of NIH grant AI098775. To do so would likely be highly self-incriminating.

@cmhardin37

Ай бұрын

​@@jackeagleeye3453so why would he reach out to Peter if he doesn't accept debates with other scientists?

It is pretty simple - everyone get a job if you can work. Then we won't need to debate the essentials of life, we can just live ❤️

Yeah because our mainstream media has been so honest.

Hi Tom. I despise your lazy timestamps, the bare minimum and specifically ambiguous to make us watch more ¬¬ I love all the rest...

Speaking about corruption. It is not how much they corrupt. If you corrupt, you corrupt. It is how much we ,the public, let them go away with it. Nowadays, in general, the public is clueless and oblivious about events around the world and inside the country. Divided, religiously support their leaders and agendas. It conditions perfect soil for corruption to grow without much resistance.

@laurettarivers8054

Ай бұрын

I agree, it amazes me how many people support the very system that wants to control them and take away their freedoms

@MrNikeNicke

Ай бұрын

The degree of corruption is definitely important

@victorbinkys4154

Ай бұрын

@MrNikeNicke yes, but thief is a thief. If you let him, he will steal everything. Same with politicians, they all corrupt. If we let them, they will steal everything. With public being oblivious and ignorant, basically that is what happens nowadays. They do what they want and getting away.

11:30 Let's be fair Konstantin. Tucker has WHOLEHEARTEDLY said many MANY times that his "support" for the war in Iraq was something he regrets and doesn't support. You can't just say this and be seeking truth. Demonstrably it's false so don't say this.

"people believe that people in power, experts and institutions, are lying to them" and the top video of my recommended is your video with "THEY'RE LYING TO YOU" in the thumbnail. The irony.

I like Konstantins slight reaction to having Sam interrupt him after interrupting Sam a few minutes before and then almost immediately after. Also the hosts backwards hat🧢 lol very funny👍

@realMaverickBuckley

Ай бұрын

Would it have been less funny if the peak of his hat was forwards?

@matthewparlato5626

Ай бұрын

​@@realMaverickBuckley...uhhhh YES whew

Sorry, but these two guys just lost me, it appears the truth is what they agree with. And that’s OK but if I do not agree with it, it does not make me wrong.

@jesseedelson6129

Ай бұрын

In some places it actually may make you wrong, but they need to be open to that too... Konstantin and Tom are, although they struggle with it, Sam isn't so much

@romantum

Ай бұрын

Truth is supposed to be objective. If you disagree you're either wrong or you know something others don't. I think all three gentlemen indicated that they value scientific approach.. Basically they have position on things, they believe its true and they've spent most if the time explaining why exactly they believe what they believe.

Enjoyed every minute

@ChrisHodges87

26 күн бұрын

So much said in so few words.

@moritzmonska9912

Күн бұрын

​@@ChrisHodges87 dude all your comments here were ad hominem, nothing of substance. Wtf is wrong with you

Interesting talk and great interviewees.

Agree with them Sam! Wedtlive to see you talking to more people you disagree with!!!

@paperfart3988

Ай бұрын

I'd love to see Sam Harris and Dave Smith debate

Really good conversation. Thanks

36:40 IT's right you don;t know, but why are you gong to presume that they are guilty. Presumably if the IDF had some proof that what they did was just they would share that.

13:45 Clearly this interview happened before the Terrence Howard JRE podcast was released - because not everyone agrees that gravity exists!

Sam screwed himself and is doubling down. I always thought he was profound, but Trump derangement syndrome is real.

@RickMcCargar

Ай бұрын

Sam is articulate...he was never profound. He is now, articulate to advance the permanent establishment narrative.

@stephaniechambell1493

Ай бұрын

💯💯💯

@Knight766

Ай бұрын

How is a New York real estate billionaire not part of the establishment?

@maxmadmagoo

Ай бұрын

@@Knight766 Becausr if he was part of the “establishment”, the “establishment” wouldn’t have cooked up 91 indictments against him. I think that is the proof that he isn’t part of the establishment.

@Knight766

Ай бұрын

@@maxmadmagoo Surely he has nothing to worry about if he hasn't broken the law.

Sam referring to Joe Rogan's massive audience as "uneducated" just further cements everyone's opinion of him that his ego is far too big to to allow him any semblance of open-mindedness.

@LukeLunn

Ай бұрын

I'd like to see him say that to Joe's face

@user-cv9kj6hd5e

Ай бұрын

In line with his support for the 'deplorables' clinton.

@jackeagleeye3453

Ай бұрын

Rogan is basically like the View, but for men

@aidanhall6679

Ай бұрын

There’s no denying a proportion of Rogan’s audience is ideologically captured, but I don’t think it’s unique to Rogan, and I don’t think it can be eliminated, partisanship just changes sides but the material force behind argument will always exist. If anything, I think Rogan is unfairly lumped in with the right and if that’s the case, I think it’s more evidence JRE is being targeted for ideological reasons, given its influence. Again, I think ideology motivates everyone, it’s just harder to detect from one’s own POV and Sam and his fan base is no exception, speaking of uneducated, Sam’s rhetoric is becoming increasingly vacuous and self-gratifying.

@shannontreiber1070

Ай бұрын

It’s simply a statistical fact. And I’m an avid Rogan watched…and educated. But I’m quite aware of who most of his audience is

If instead of a guy getting beaten up, it's a 1 year old. Then you dont need the context.

Which J is right?? I can't decide!! Are these really our options...

What poll shows 75% of Americans think Israel isn't going far enough in "rooting out" HAMAS?

@RFB4545

Ай бұрын

Hes a zionist. They lie all the time.

@sinan325

Ай бұрын

It is a poll inside Sam's racist, Islamophobic and egoist head.

@EugeneParallax

Ай бұрын

Same question. I bet if you ask people directly it's nowhere near that, and such a poll smells like total fabrication.

@MaDPuPPeTgames

Ай бұрын

75% of israelis maybe. definately not 75% of americans. I did see a poll that 64% of republicans support israel, though that does necessarily imply they think israel haven't gone far enough. I doubt they think much beyond 'israel are our allies so we support them'.

@christophermarcone5504

Ай бұрын

the ones that lobbied for antisemitism speech laws recently

*"If I could wave a magic wand and get rid of either r@pe or religion, I would not hesitate to get rid of religion. I think more people are dying as a result of our religious myths than as a result of any other ideology"* - Sam Harris The Sun Interview, The Temple Of Reason, How Religion Puts The World At Risk September 2006

@joephoffmann4294

Ай бұрын

whats wrong with that statement

@BarakHussein

Ай бұрын

@@joephoffmann4294 he thinks religion is worse than grape

@joephoffmann4294

Ай бұрын

@@BarakHussein thats weird grapes are delicious. On a serious note, religion has led to so much suffering in the world. And also, a lot of rape has probably been caused by religion

@reasonablespeculation3893

Ай бұрын

Sam's correct on this one. You may criticize his choice, but his position is defensible. His choice was EITHER. Both was not an option.

This is a conversation and not a debate - they both agree in the same points. Where they differ is execution. Sam prefers to critically analyse, Konstantin prefers combative arguments. I must say, Konstantin needs to understand that some personality types are unable and unwilling to have combative arguments with idiots. Sam has a calm explanatory type of logic that will simply not work against the Alex Joneses of the world. They would mock insult and yell, backed by their equally obnoxious and vociferous audiences. I can see why Sam wouldn't want to get into debates with people like that. Konstantin should learn to be more respectfull of Sam's approach. Rather than accuse him of sitting in a castle critiquing but not changing things, he should understand that by simply sharing his views and helping people think more rationally, he is contributing to the fight towards faulty logic in his way.

@michaelkhe1757

Ай бұрын

Sam have many flaws, he talks as if he is intellect and against the corruption. This intelligent is corrupted and rotten without self realise with major TDS

Fascinating discussion, though a bit repetitive at times. Sam is good at using 10 words where 6 would do. Based on this podcast I would continue to listen to TRIGGERnometry, and Tom's.

thanks for trying, but i cant make myself listening to harris anymore

@matthewa2031

Ай бұрын

100%

@edooo345

Ай бұрын

Yeah! Queers for Palestaine!

@zoltanbako7496

Ай бұрын

Exactly - getting painful.

@edooo345

Ай бұрын

And also I understand it is difficult to listen to a well spoken and rational person. Sam is a gem.

@christopherkeith6503

Ай бұрын

Lmfaooooooooooo. Is that bait?​@@edooo345

Sam is brilliant. Love hearing him and Konstantin together.

My ears started bleeding almost immediately after I clicked start. I'm in the ER now because I listened to 20 minutes of this crud.

Excellent content here, and well guided by yourself, Tom. New subscriber. 😊

A debate? Hardly. Sam is not going to agree to any podcast where he is called out for his BS and everyone knows that, including Konstantin and Tom.

@bangchamber317

Ай бұрын

Imo that's why he left(but didn't leave X). I don't think he knows it yet because his ego won't let him. He cannot engage in good faith due to this.

@boomguitarjared

Ай бұрын

I see Konstantin far more open to push back on his positions and principles than Sam as I've seen each in their various conversations. Generally I never see Sam showing an open mind that he could be mistaken in his prognosis of things political, ahnd in contrast Konstantin will atleast provide an opening for people to show him otherwise than what he's concluded.

It is not wise to trust anyone even experts blindly. Only trust your own truth after listening to all.

@MADDcartman

Ай бұрын

Sure, but ultimately you trust experts all the time during your daily life with almost no second thought. It’s only when ppl find their political pet project on KZread when they decide that almost no one can be trusted except this one random KZreadr I found!

@qwerty123457891

Ай бұрын

listen to all is pure madness. The massive problem here is that lies are much are harder to unwind. Were in a digital world where lies, bullshit, and insanity spread instantly. Its almost impossible to parse and by the time the "truth" or "facts" emerge, the damage is already done. We need to be able to find a way to elevate facts and hold people accountable for lies. I have no clue how but whatever we have today is pure insanity. There are people that have entire different realities based on their "own facts" which we know is wrong.

@michaelmoskowitz3212

Ай бұрын

@@MADDcartman no it’s a way of life. I read all the labels.

@jeffcapes

Ай бұрын

theres only one version of the truth, anything else is just a biased lens you are viewing things through, we need more robust frameworks to rebuild trust in our institutions and experts

@Metaphix

Ай бұрын

@@michaelmoskowitz3212 So you trust the people who made the labels

Could I add a comment from Hegel about truth? From memory it was approximately: truth is not like minted coin that can be used like a currency.

41:12 I would push back against the black parents “have to have a talk with your kids”. I am white and my parents are from a military background, I was told from a young age and reiterated as I got older, that if police pull you over, you act as respectful as possible, comply completely even if you think it’s an error, because they have a very hard job with a lot of stress and their choices are based on split second choices that could mean they live or die. I was also taught that if you act like a criminal and dress like a criminal you will likely be treated like a criminal, because a police officer has to make choices for their safety based on impressions and patterns. That is reality.