Ty man, you are my absolute favorite youtuber when it comes to this game and I enjoy every single one of your videos. You have helped me improve my Demonic so much bro! Would really love a commentary over one of your Vykas runs in future !

Perfect video. Short and it helped me choose immediately. 👍

Awesome video, exactly what I needed to know!

For those thinking that Salvation set build is higher dps: it might be, slightly. But not by a lot. With the current combat stats we can get the *biggest* difference between the two is: with Salvation you will lack the CDR to use Blood Massacre three times per transformation. So assuming that you usually just stay in Demonic Form (without manually going in and out all the time) you'll be casting 50% more Blood Massacres with Spec/Swift (Hallucination set build)

@Shandamon

2 жыл бұрын

Honestly, both sets are fine to use in the current state of the game. However, I think later as we get higher set effect levels, bracelets, etc. Salvation starts to scale a bit better.

@bexclue3007

2 жыл бұрын

@@Shandamon salvation set is better at endgame bc you have enough spec/transformation duration and higher lvl Cdr gem for 3 blood massacre even without swift

I swear you always make videos of exactly the questions and thoughts I'm having, will you be going with hallucination? Was thinking of going hallucination but still spec crit because I hate not critting lol

@Shandamon

2 жыл бұрын

I'm going Salvation. You can go spec crit on Hallucination. Just keep in mind that there is such a thing as too much crit.

@ikodeinspark2170

2 жыл бұрын

@@Shandamon ended up getting a spec swift necklace for good price today so going with that now! So looks like hallucination spec swift for me, thanks for the videos you make the best guides for shadowhunter 👍

@ndragon88

2 жыл бұрын

@@Shandamon I guess keen blunt would be amazing then with Hallucination and spec/crit

@Shandamon

2 жыл бұрын

@@ndragon88 it's good regardless

I'm gunna run hallucination bc of the build diversity options. I like the idea of running swiftness build for the better mobility and skill spam.

@rayzhang7591

2 жыл бұрын

plus it's a lot cheaper to get raid captain + spirit absorption than more universal dps skills like keen blunt/hit master/cursed doll, so its a better choice for your alt which I assume is what most people use SH for.

@markymark2820

2 жыл бұрын

@@rayzhang7591 I got my full relic set finished this week and I've bought the box the last couple weeks so I can freely swap between the sets. I initially went with 6 pc salvation but I was surprised at the significantly lower damage. Once we get bracers and ancient armor I'll probably switch back to salavation but as of now hallucination gives me much better damage.

Hi Shandamon, great video as always. What is the optimal 5x3 engravings if I go salvation? Crit/spec? Thanks man!

THis is the best Shadowhunter relic set video guide on youtube, second to none! thx

For the "reality" buff, after the 90 seconds, do you have to wait for another 9 seconds of hallucination before it procs again or will it continue? Wouldn't this downtime make Salvation a better choice since the 120s damage buff would be more forgiving for avoiding mechanics? Would love to know your thoughts!

I want swiftness , so I kno what I’m going for

I play Shadowhunter main since release of the game. This goes for all classes but I think it's very important to realize that we do not play the same game the Koreans play. Most of us don't have x12 legendary engravings, optimal accessories are crazy expensive or not available at all, I reckon many don't even have high lvl gems yet. Which is all fine btw :) my grp killed Vykas HM and without 5*3s or full relic set. At the moment I prefer high quality accessories with 4*3 over 5*3 anyway, because Spec increases dmg too. By a LOT. Also, I can get back into Demon Form with only 5 skills instead of 6, which is very nice for Vykas who dodges often. I went for Hallucination with Spec/Swift neck and DI, Adrenaline, KBW and HitMaster. Best bang for you buck :D Don't underestimate the mobility swiftness gives you + it frees you from being locked in on grudge or cursed doll which aren't ideal for learning new raids (with 530swiftness+sup speed buff I will be at ~138%move speed in demon form, good enough for RC). And ofc it gives you 3 blood massacres per rotation.

Hi Shandamon, thank you a lot for this explanations, you really help us a lot! I have a question, is it possible to go 4 pieces of Hallucination and 2 pieces of Salvation and still take advantage of the 2 sets bonus?

@Shandamon

2 жыл бұрын

Why would you though? Just pick either 6 piece Salvation or Hallucination.

@_NEX_

2 жыл бұрын

​@@Shandamon If i go 6 pieces of allucination i'll end up with 25% dmg & 20% crit rate, since i have SPEC/SWIFT build is bettere to get 13% dmg end 15% crit from the hallucination (in sostitution of the Argos Crit set) and 2 pieces of Hallucination that gives me 14% Dmg so the total buff bonus shold be this: +13% DMG (4 pieces of Hallucination) +14% DMG (2 pieces of Salvation) = 27% DMG compared to the 25% i'll get with the full Hallucination +15% Crit rate (4 pieces of Hallucination) ...and also i get the Salvation bonus if i go below 30% which is not bad.

@ixBlua

2 жыл бұрын

@@_NEX_ That won't work for you. You can't maintain the hallucination effect without 6 pieces so in reality it's a huge dps loss because of all the downtime you have for the buff. If you don't have the 6 set, you only have 6 secs of the buff and 3 seconds cd afterwards before it can be activated again

Hello. My main character is shadowhunter too. Is this build bad in your opinion? Spec/Crit Necklace Lv3 Demonic, Hit master, Keen Blunt, Cursed Doll, budget Stable Stance (Want to switch this to Grudge later, but not enough gold yet.) Next week or after that I think I can get 2 Salvation/ 4 Hallucination pieces. My final goal is full Hallucination gear. No Adrenaline in this build, only Cursed Doll and additive damage instances. No Raid Captain in this build. I don't think it can sinergize with my build with crit in necklace and hallucination. Is this build for current content okay or bad in your opinion? I don't have any alts above 1370, a bit hard to make more gold since mats worth nothing now. I want the Grudge so bad, but just can't afford it. And want a lv9 dmg gem too (i have only lv7 now). I want to farm this first. Thank you if you can answer me.

@Shandamon

2 жыл бұрын

Sorry for the late response. I think your build should be fine once you get grudge. However it isn't the best but I understand you are on a budget. You should aim to swap HM or Cursed Doll with Adrenaline. Then you can either go Spec/Crit Salvation or Spec/Swift Hallucination.

Which set are you planning to go with and what engravings are you running? I was pretty set on crafting the Salvation pieces.. to run 2 Beast / 2 Salvation / 2 Argos for the time being, but now I'm not sure. I have DI3, Adr3, CD3 and HM3 and crit/spec stats. I like high crit rate I have, and since I don't run RC, changing to swiftness wouldn't help much. I haven't really bought a full set of Relic accessories yet, but hoping to do that soon.. anyways, what are your thoughts on this build I'm looking at? Salvation set, crit/spec stats, engravings would be DI3, Adr3, CD3, HM3. Also, would Grudge or Keen Blunt be a better 5th engraving? Thanks!

@Nostalgiaforinfi

2 жыл бұрын

Id do hm kbw adr di gridge. Cd is about 1% better than hm but considering the downside its not worth it imo.

@deadlybeauty53

2 жыл бұрын

What a pussy, no grudge in the 4x3 ?? Really??, Duuuuude, i have grudge 3, keen blunt 3, demonic impulse 3, and adrenaline 3, it Is the most dmg in a 4x3 with enough crit above 60%. Quit with this BULLSHIT HITMASTER on demonic impulse, IT IS BAD when you have the other options. And yeah with KB i do more dmg than if i were to go CD. Its all tested.

@Kyle-ye5eo

2 жыл бұрын

I’m running the 2+2+2 you described with crit spec DI ADR KBW and HM Been loving it Once the bots get banned and the economy crashes I hope to be able to afford relics and will work grudge in there

hey i was thinking about running hallucination (lvl2 = 25% crit rate) + (30% from DI) with crit sub stat giving roughly 20% crit rate and ditching adrenaline and go DI/Grudge/Cursed Doll/Hit Master/KBW for engravings... do you think its a good idea? i would get around 75% crit rate. thanks for your feedback!

hey thanks for this video, what do you think of Dominion Fang ? The bonus damage seems nuts alone, CDR too, am I missing something ?

@Shandamon

2 жыл бұрын

It used to be the old meta before there were newer relic sets but it's not as good Salvation or Hallucination. If you go Dominion then you are kinda forced to go Awakening for one of your engravings and it's just kind of a waste on Shadowhunter.

I was thinking of going 4 hallucination 2 salvation, but I will stick to Salvation only. Right now I have 2 argos/2 demon beast/2 salvation and I like it.

@LiZzZzZArDDDD

2 жыл бұрын

2 demon beast? u mean the golden set? Is this not crap? When i got dmg, its going bad and this is besser then 5 times Argos? hmmmm

@sxuld

2 жыл бұрын

@@LiZzZzZArDDDD it is miles better than 5 set Argos as no one has the opposite set anymore to trigger it. 2/2/2 is also working really well for me would recommend if you had to do a few valtan nm before hm

@LiZzZzZArDDDD

2 жыл бұрын

@@sxuld yeah i realized that a lil bit to late and switched to 2/2/2 now :)

Hopefully this question comes across. If I chose set A and then decided I want set B. Can I transfer my hone level (say +18 to an Argos piece) and still not lose the set A base piece? So I can dismantle for bones and craft Set B?

@Shandamon

2 жыл бұрын

Only works when gear transferring from Relic, but yeah.

I am 1445. Spec/crit necklace. DI, KBW, ADRENALINE, HIT MASTER. what set do you recommend I run? If needed I can always change neck to spec/swift.

Could you talk a little about back and front atk?

@Shandamon

2 жыл бұрын

That set is only used for the Perfect Suppression build.

Is my planned build good or am i missing something major. DI/Adren/Kbw/Grudge/Raid cap for 3x5 with swift neck. Then i go hallucination set for the 20% crit. Kbw needs 65+ to make viable but since DI 30 + Adren 15 + relic set 20 + lostwind 7 + party buffs = minimum 72 crit. Raid cap is also maxed from the DI 20 + swift neck + support relic 10 = 40. Or is crit neck and salvation just better eventhough you don't max raid captain

@Shandamon

2 жыл бұрын

Your planned build looks fine to me

@seoulux8531

2 жыл бұрын

@@Shandamon thanks!

So if I need 4 pieces of Beast and 2 pieces of Salvation which 4 pieces of Beast should I craft and which 2 pieces of salvation as a starter?

@Shandamon

2 жыл бұрын

Gloves and shoulder

does my harsh gear get destroy if i transfer it to pre ?hence wasting ab?

@Shandamon

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, your Harsh Oath gear gets destroyed if you transfer it.

Do we build the gloves and shoulders or golves and weapon ?

What is the best 5 engravings for salvation ?

@chanj329

Жыл бұрын

im personally going for DI, keen blunt, adrenaline, grudge, and hit master. 5th engraving of your choice but def the first 4.

does it make sense, to build 4 piece Hallucination & 2 Piece Salvation with a Spec/Swift Build ?!

@Shandamon

2 жыл бұрын

You should go full Hallu with Spec/Swift.

@alexkoenig1912

2 жыл бұрын

@@Shandamon ty

Demonic god strikes again

What are you going to be running when the new content comes out? Just curious :)

@sprachlos0032

2 жыл бұрын

Well ofc the highest dmg potential one :D

@Shandamon

2 жыл бұрын

Salvation

what engravings will you use with that builds? for example Salvation needs keen blunt weapon or just focus cursed doll,grudge, adrenaline?

@SpiralstaticXX

2 жыл бұрын

Salvation would be impulse, adrenaline, grudge and keen blunt 3 these are mandatory. With salvation you have some options for the 5th engraving, cursed doll is probably the highest damage output but hit master is only slightly worse without any negative aspect. Then last but not least, supports will be buffing move speed with their relic set bonus so raid captain is technically an option but probably less effective than cursed doll or hit master. If you can’t afford relic gear And are just 4x3 salvation, your only options really are impulse keen blunt adrenaline and grudge.

@antoomusiccc4241

2 жыл бұрын

@@SpiralstaticXX thanks for the info! I will use them

I've been asking around and haven't found a proper answer to my question. I'm planning to go 6 set Salvation with DI, Grudge, HM, Adrenaline and KBW which is absolutely fine. However, I like to look ahead into further end game and see the viable build I can go for. Now, if I can maintain at 65%+ crit rate with DI 3, Grudge 3, HM 3, RC 3, KBW 3 and Adrenaline 2; would this better than the second option which the same but instead swapping RC to 2 and Adrenaline to 3? Since I'm sticking to Salvation , I'll be running Spec/Crit Neck anyways, but would the 1st build provide more damage compared to the 2nd one? (Won't be making full use of RC 3 since max speed with most likely be 130% with support set, but it'll still provide more damage over Adrenaline 3 right?)

@Shandamon

2 жыл бұрын

First off let me say that you can easily achieve 140% movespeed with a spec/crit necklace. Supports will give you 10% so you are at 130%. If you use Rune Rage on a low CD skill(Demonic Q or W) you can actually proc it very easily and hit 140% like that. Because of that, I think your future plan actually works pretty well with the Adrenaline 2. Either way, both are pretty good options. From a min max perspective, 2nd option looks to be more damage in the future. Hope this answer helps!

I use 5 x 3 engraving , adrenaline , devilish impulsiveness , master hit , dool curse , and spirit absorption , I ask for your recommendation should I use hallucinations or salvation { poetry } ? , thanks

@ahmadzulkarnaen9794

2 жыл бұрын

@shandamon

Yo man nice explanation, I have gotten lucky with a 8x8 stone for adrenaline n raidcaptain, so i have no choice but to go Spec Swift (hallucination) that is!!

@Shandamon

2 жыл бұрын

Raid Captain is still fine even without Swift.

@Shandamon what set do you recommend for GvG shadowhunter?

@Shandamon

2 жыл бұрын

I don't play GvG so I wouldn't know

@notaro123

2 жыл бұрын

@@Shandamon :((

What set would you recommend for Spirit Absorption/Raid Captain/Grudge Spec/Crit

@Shandamon

2 жыл бұрын

I'd recommend you redo your engravings

Not sure if u can transfer relic gear to relic gear without destroying previous gear. Destroys all my other gear when transferring so not sure we would get bones and wings back if we transfered. Might jus wait till I collect to switch I picked death set but want hallucination now

@fronterizo0968

2 жыл бұрын

if u transfer set u get the other piece with 0 quality and the piece u transfered at the max quality of both, and then u can dismantle to get the mats back

Do you get back the stones of chaos if you dismantle weapons?

@chanj329

Жыл бұрын

nope, they're one time use

Currently I have 2pcs hallucination, and I'm thinking of crafting 2 beast sets for the extra damage until I push if further to beyond 1460 and be able to craft the full relic set, so what do you think about this?

@venkateshbatman

2 жыл бұрын

Yes you can do that or you can craft 2 set salvation and keep 2 set Argos until you can farm out the other 4 pieces of the set

@kareemnabil1064

2 жыл бұрын

@@venkateshbatman you mean hallucination?

@venkateshbatman

2 жыл бұрын

@@kareemnabil1064 yeah 2 set salvation, 2 set Argos and 2 set hallucination

If you’re going salvation and have that estimated 60% crit is that fine to make keen blunt useful? Looking to make it my fifth engraving. Using adren 3 DI 3 Cursed doll 3 and Grudge 3 atm

@Shandamon

2 жыл бұрын

That's what I'm doing!

@TheGaryAir

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah for sure, and then when u get your LW Cliff set you will get the extra 7% which will put you at a very nice 67% which is where KBW really shines.

@Skidderstreams

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheGaryAir perfect thanks my guy !

@Skidderstreams

2 жыл бұрын

@@Shandamon helllll yeah

Personally going salvation, gives you a free out in a pinch in legion raids!

I'm running hallucination purely to maximize Keen Blunt's efficiency. I'll be sitting at 92% crit rate.. (currently at 102% in combat with Hallucination 4pc and preordained 2pc). At that crit rate Keen Blunt is effectively 21% extra outgoing damage compared to other engraves(basically grudge with no drawbacks) for shadow hunter who has a basic 2x base crit damage. I'm currently running 5x3 Demonic, Keen Blunt, Hit Master, Adrenaline, Cursed Doll.. in the future when we can have 5x3 1x2 I'm going to drop adrenaline to lvl 2 and pick up grudge finally. For those curious KR dropped a graph showing keen blunts efficiency. preview.redd.it/auxheckzl5h81.png?width=1738&format=png&auto=webp&s=5fd0391d31ef3bdae9b00c1fe08835324e68449d Left column is base crit rate, Top row is your crit rate, where they cross is the efficiency. Red box = on par with all the 16% damage engraves like Stabilized, Mass, etc. Blue box means starting to be more valuable than picking one of those.

@Shandamon

2 жыл бұрын

I'm don't think you should go with a very high crit set up. Reason being is, there are so many free sources of crit in the game(crit synergy, bracelets, etc.). With your set up you will easily overcap on crit and it's just wasted. Honestly, 70% crit is a good number because it's high enough that most of your skills will crit and there is also room for extra crit that you can receive.

what should i aim for in skill tree transfer? only more shadow burst meter gain??

@Shandamon

2 жыл бұрын

Pretty much.

@ghtp10

2 жыл бұрын

@@Shandamon thx

i have di3 adrenaline 3 cursed doll 3 grudge 3 with 2 set salvation 2 deamon set what to u thing i should change with my engravings?

@miltsouza

2 жыл бұрын

i would added 3 keen blunt weapon, but its your choice.

@TheGaryAir

2 жыл бұрын

@@miltsouza how he has no crit he needs adrenaline first b4 kbw

@miltsouza

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheGaryAir yeah but him have only 3 engraving, need one more engraving. With adrealine he will have 65% crit rate. Thats enough to keen blunt works good.

@miltsouza

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheGaryAir my mistake, i forgot lvl 3 demonic impulse. btw is a good build but personally i will build keen blunt weapon instead of cursed doll. but for salvation set cursed its realy good, i will build keen blunt with hallucination set.

Can u do on gunslinger if you have one?

@Shandamon

2 жыл бұрын

I don't play gunslinger

sh hunter main. 6 pc hulluicination set. engravings grudge3 cursed 3 di3 adri3 for my 5th engraving i will go KWB. spec and swift on neck.

Salvation does not give 47% additional damage, it actually gives 49.1%... since the 5% additional dmg from 6 piece set is multiplicative.

@Shandamon

2 жыл бұрын

Ah gotcha. Wasn't aware, thanks!

@daviddiaz3771

2 жыл бұрын

@@Shandamon In fact I am wrong 😂. Because I just learned that the "stack" part of salvation is additive with your weapon "additional DMG" from quality and the buffs from like the support relic set, and then it's multiplicative with the 5%. With weapon quality 70 (+20% DMG) and the 8% dmg support buff it would be (1.28+(0.7x3x20/100)x1.05)=1.785. Long story short... the translations in this version are scuffed as hell and every set has a different DMG modifier since some bonuses are additive and some are multiplicative. Salvation per example gives ~3-4% less dmg than nightmare even though the stack bonuses seem to be higher.

@nmalele0909

2 жыл бұрын

@@daviddiaz3771 does this mean hallucination is better?

@daviddiaz3771

2 жыл бұрын

@@nmalele0909 Hmmm it would depend of many things... Your weapon quality, the buffs that are applied on you, your base crit rate... and how much do you value the attack speed tbh... What I can do is give you the formulas of the 2 sets and some examples: If you had a 100% quality relic weapon and the 8% dmg buff from supports your base additional dmg without any set would be 38%. And if we then calculate the dmg multiplier of the 2 sets without any engravings: _Salvation = (1.38 + (0.7 x 3 x 20/100) ) x 1.05 = 1.89 = 89% extra dmg_ _Hallucination = (1.38 x 1.25) = 1.725 = 72.5% extra dmg_ Salvation would be 16.5% stronger. Then there is the 20% crit rate from Hallucination which is hard to determine how much extra dmg you are getting since it depends from your initial crit rate... let's suppose you already have a crit chance of 21.42% (600 crit stat) and see the increase of the average dmg outpout: CRI = CRITR x CRITD + (1-CRITR) Crit modifier: CRIT1 = 0.2142 x 2 + (1-0.2142) = 1.2142 = 21.42% extra dmg Crit modifier with Hallucination: CRIT2= (0.2142 + 0.2) X 2 +(1-(0.2142+0.2)) = 1.4142 = 41.42% extra dmg CRIT2/CRIT1 = 1.1647=16.47% extra dmg So basically they'll give you almost the same dmg outpout under these conditions, but the higher the crit the less dmg increase hallucination will give you, plus the other thing is that salvation also gives attack speed and I dont really know how much uptime you have in practice with hallucination, plus my math could be wrong because my sources are in Korean and I dont speak Korean :)

@Orzuna

2 жыл бұрын

@@daviddiaz3771 Yeah this is a not an easy calculation to do. KBW should improve hallu, but on the other hand, DI shadowhunter crit is a lot higher than 20%, as you have +30% from DI and would probably be running adrenaline engraving. I wonder if a build without adrenaline + spec/crit necklace would work, maybe I will do the calculations later, but I think in that case your attack speed would be a lot worse than the two other builds, making playing it less fun

%60 crit is bad :S I am using keen blunt weapon engraving :S

i'm changing set.. POE is so strong.

what 5ENG you think i should get with hull set spec/swift build?

@SpiralstaticXX

2 жыл бұрын

Impulse, grudge, keen blunt, adrenaline and raid captain. 100%

@almoglevy4410

2 жыл бұрын

@@SpiralstaticXX tnx i am at 1480 now and i want to know what to do before upgrade everything tnx man!

@SpiralstaticXX

2 жыл бұрын

@@almoglevy4410 for what it’s worth I’m Running this build right now and it’s pretty pog. Doing 3m dps at 1485 with a +21, the above engravings and a level 10 damage gem.

@caelBr

2 жыл бұрын

@@SpiralstaticXX why keen blunt and not cursed doll?

@almoglevy4410

2 жыл бұрын

@@SpiralstaticXX oh dam that nice tnx mate yea i hone my wep to 21 aswell so ill work on that 5ENG tnx for help!

imagine recommending a recraft instead of gear conversion

Salvation is clearly better, you’re literally trading crit for flat dmg increase 1:1, of course flat dmg increase will be better

@AnonW

2 жыл бұрын

@Rashid Hassan U will have high crit coz Tai scrappers have nothing to put their stats into besides crit or swift

@AnonW

2 жыл бұрын

@Rashid Hassan Huh DI Shadow hunters get like free 35 crit on transform LOL