I'm all heart, no blocks, no mind, no execution. It's very liberating. I don't win very much.

@tipnsunny2107

4 жыл бұрын

Don’t forget, heart is also about conditioning and getting in the opponent’s head. You may not know what’s optimal at certain distances or able to combo into super, but you could make consistently good guesses on the opponents wake up and win the fight.

@Snax000

4 жыл бұрын

Respect

@DragynFyre12

4 жыл бұрын

Unga Bunga

@AgentBacalhau

4 жыл бұрын

Couldn't have said it better myself. Unga bunga brother, unga bunga.

@HasteXXI

4 жыл бұрын

We found the Asuka player

“Have you ever played against a brain-based player, who every time you do something they always try to counter with whatever’s the most optimal but they’re incapable of doing it?” That hurt on a personal level.

@bangzell6885

4 жыл бұрын

Personal? You must be a Heart player.

@2000Doriyas

4 жыл бұрын

Brain players are more emotional than they think

@Balloon410

4 жыл бұрын

It reminded me a lot of John Mulaney's bit on basketball. "My body is bad at sports. And I say my body is bad at sports because my brain is good at sports. Like my brain understands how a human being dribble down a basketball court and makes a lay-up, right? But then it has to outsource the job to my weird and feminine limbs, and so when I play basketball, it looks like I just bought my body. Like I don't know how it works yet."

@Angelblive

4 жыл бұрын

Balloon410 lmfao yep spot on

@justinpearson9170

4 жыл бұрын

@@2000Doriyas You hit the nail on the head LMAO! I'm all heart and get berated by my buddy (mostly brain based) about what options I go for and why it wasn't that good of an option EVEN WHEN I WIN! And when something doesn't go right like he envisioned for it too, he becomes the most emotional person ever. Not like bursting in tears but denial of why this option beat his option and why it shouldn't have worked, and on and on and on... When I respond with "Because it felt good" or "Seemed like a good option to me (given the situation)" I get an ear full of frame data and everything else lol

True mastery is finding a balance to where mind body and spirit become one. *button mashes*

@FlyXcur

4 жыл бұрын

You're kinda right button mashing is like having 0 in all three stats of that scale

@omgazr0

4 жыл бұрын

Playing the fool card the weakest and the most powerful

@yaboi821

4 жыл бұрын

scrubs the whole controller

@mickeybat5816

3 жыл бұрын

Lmao bruh, like lowkey think about it tho, button mashing at first is just letting your body act without thinking your body just doesn't know what to do tho. But then like now your hands know what they are doing, the buttons you are mashing will work wayyy better cuz your muscle memory, basically you hit ultra instinct lmao

@sergiotate446

2 жыл бұрын

i dont mean to be offtopic but does someone know a trick to log back into an instagram account?? I somehow lost my login password. I appreciate any help you can offer me!

"you sound like a brain-based player" lol

Another way I like to think about it is: Brains - knowing what to do and how to do it Body - being able to do it Heart - knowing when to do it

@komenkhongjiamsiri78

4 жыл бұрын

Heart is more like "My sense told me to do this next".

@Angelblive

4 жыл бұрын

💯

I've beaten tons of players who could do insane combos, that I still can't execute to this day, because they didn't understand the fundamentals of frame advantage. So they throw out all this fancy stuff and I just wait until I know I have advantage then punish. Another problem I have, so I think other people have. Is they get too focused on what they want to do. You get so caught up on "come on just come closer and I'll do X move" that you miss a different opportunity right in front of your eyes. Then I get hammered by some manic that's flying all over the place while shouting "that's not what you're supposed to do in that situation you weirdo!"

@SonGockel

4 жыл бұрын

when the reads are completely wrong because the enemy does unga bunga shit haha

@moopersworthninjason42nd81

4 жыл бұрын

Yup i hear ya. Im always trying to do Omen's grab or I'm caught trying to do up+3+4 Whore-ang I know it's dumb, but i wanna see the move

@Angelblive

4 жыл бұрын

💯 try move get punished “that shit hurted”

@nameputhpong9041

4 жыл бұрын

Yoshimitsu players. 🙄

@azechase6597

Жыл бұрын

@@SonGockel as a heart player, when you can't get a read on someone bc of what they're doing, then try to get a read based on what they aren't doing. If they are unga bunga then you can count on them not making many reads or baits of their own. You're safe from any real punishment.

Daigo has got to be a mind player he does drills to punish every option, for every character. He's in training mode labing everything. It only looks spontaneous and random, becuase he knows like every option, and a lot of it is muscle memory.

@azechase6597

Жыл бұрын

It looking spontaneous bc he knows every option is sort of true but I consider daigo Mostly a body player bc these "drill" are physical practice. In the heat of them moment he thoughtlessly relies on the muscle memory he made. So if anything he's pretty equally body and mind.

@Rp-pi5df

5 ай бұрын

Daigo is body, he had to win that one game by good physical execution, and he lost a shit ton of health. Somone who is that optimal would not lost that much health unless it was a really bad losing matchup.

I'm a heart player. I almost quit Fighting games altogether until I figured this out. The moment I stepped back and just let my hands do their thing I started getting wins.

"Are those the players who say their opponent is worse than them when they're losing? Absolutely." That would make LowTierGod the biggest brain-based player. He loses to people who are "worse" than him all the time.

@Snax000

4 жыл бұрын

Ltgs in a category of his own

@SupermanSajam

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah, but that in a specific context. Not all players who think they've lost to a worse player than them are brain players, tbf

@SaphirKnight

4 жыл бұрын

@@SupermanSajam This is true; I was mostly joking, because it's too easy to rip on LTG's salt.

"I would beat this guy if he wasn't playing like such an idiot"

@treyenma5206

3 жыл бұрын

I feel like that's a very common trait in anime, where the rival is some prodigy and the protag is an idiot and wins because of it.

@TheSquidJackson

3 жыл бұрын

haha round start 5m go brrrrr

@Makofueled

3 жыл бұрын

Oh dude I had the total wrong idea about fgs starting out and thought I could be brainman. "Oh I meatied him the last few KDs so now I'll try some swag setup and oh look I've been CH by wakeup overhead what the fuck is going on" Now it's all heart baby.

I was one of those people who thought fighting games were all reactions and combos because I'd spent time around anime players who are often set-up oriented like Sajam is saying. Then I flew home and my brother taught me street fighter. I remember the first time I woke up threw him, we both laughed and that was it. I was hooked on fighting games big-time, and have been ever since. I think fighting games are amazing for heart based play.

I was introduced to the heart, body and mind player concept via James Chen's learning how to fight series. Watching this video help me determine what type of player I am. I'm definitely a mind player because your saying "Mind players sometimes think they making heart decisions...and went things don't got well they blame themselves not doing the right things" is me in a nutshell.

“Who is SonicFox” -Sajam

@BBGirlSamus

4 жыл бұрын

JMpardy really do be hitting different tho

@flatterswhite

4 жыл бұрын

@@BBGirlSamus Speak English "Parker"

@BBGirlSamus

4 жыл бұрын

@@flatterswhite I'll have you know I am speaking English... Granted I may have been using a bastardized and apropriate form of the language tainted by modern slang and urban colloquialisms in order to add comedic value But none the less, English...

@cactuz116

3 жыл бұрын

@@flatterswhite soy

@flatterswhite

3 жыл бұрын

@@BBGirlSamus you really added the comedic value

Rishi did an incredible video on this very recently that goes into a lot of depth

@LeAmerican

4 жыл бұрын

Do you mind sharing a link?

@poultriarchy

4 жыл бұрын

Geth276 it’s predominantly framed through the lens of Melee but it’s easy to follow after the initial example and very thorough, kzread.info/dash/bejne/pIJ5ytZ9gcvZXbQ.html

Body building those electrics

@FahmiZFX

4 жыл бұрын

DORYA

Sajam definitely strikes me as a brain player who supplemented his style with body and heart training. Would def place him as brain > heart > body. He's good enough at execution to not drop his combos too much, but he definitely relies more on planning and getting good reads than pure reactions (at least when he's playing and commenting live haha). I just love it when I watch him play and he calls "wake up jump?" after knocking down an opponent and immediately punishes it. Or when he's playing someone and is like "my string is safe opponent, you can't press buttons here you have to block!" and just repeats the same frame trap over and over until the opponent wises up.

Mang0 is the heart based player. On stream Mew2King was trying to explain something with framedata once and Mang0 genuinely did not understand what like frame data was or how to understand it. There was a score esports video on him and they described it perfectly he plays not with his mind or his hands but with his balls.

I feel like I'm probably a brain based player. The problem is I often feel overwhelmed when trying to approach new games because I don't feel comfortable not knowing what to do. I feel so stupid not being comfortable with movement or not knowing when I'm minus that losing feel deserved and winning feels like a fluke. As a former brain player who is now playing a bunch of games did you feel this and if so do you have any advice to stop it?

@MoldMonkey93

4 жыл бұрын

Word

@ETgaming1

4 жыл бұрын

Play more, think less. Try to take in bits of information slowly, like "oh that option beats this so i shouldn't do that in this situation." And most of all, don't beat yourself up about not knowing everything. If your biggest opponent is yourself, stop listening to the negative thoughts, and try to focus on what you can learn. One match at a time

@Angelblive

4 жыл бұрын

RainDance_FM I feel like I’m mostly brain based too and have a tendency to want to impose my will against the mechanics of the game like that shouldn’t work and so I keep trying it instead of adapting and realizing that in this game what I’m trying to do isn’t going to work even tho it may work in another game so I feel your pain but just learning when something doesn’t work try to download that and try different things or accept that you have to come up with a different strategy against that setup

@MoldMonkey93

4 жыл бұрын

It's mostly because the systems behind my games, Street Fighter for 2D and Virtua Fighter for 3D, make sense playstyle wise (Minus SFV w/0freedom) and VF has a particular ruleset and balance. The community for VF is very humble unlike Tekken's that does a bad job at teaching players by giving them 100 NH launchers with no real intent or purpose other than to rotate between them. It also wants movement to be bad, something that should work fine for everyone, not act like quicksand. My games push fundamentals more first than character. Like even if you pick, "High tiet" you aren't getting a lucky win. So, when I see games like anime that seem derpy in decision making, my pride forces me to say how much I think it's dumb.

I'm 10% Brain, 15% Body, 50% Heart & a 100% Concentration of Power of Will

@Angelblive

4 жыл бұрын

DarkOniro I see what you did there lol

i can't be the only person who went to go find and watch the core-a gaming video just for sajam to put it in this video lol

I'm a body player because I keep getting bodied. Jokes aside, probably heart+mind the most. Eyeballing things and looking tech up but lacking the raw practice.

I feel like a brain and heart based player. Whenever I'm not playing I'm watching tech and practicing it and whenever I'm in a match sometimes I'll just throw all of that out the window because I have a feel for my opponent and want to either end things fast with reads or cause them to suffer slowly and painfully with patient defense.

I saw Rishi's video on this concept, and I like his analysis of the trio. Heart is unchanged, but Brain is more about individual scenarios and what beats what. Body is about gameplan, which I feel describes me better than just execution. Obviously, though, you need all three.

Brain players are the type of people that go "Why would you do x in y situation, that's such a bad option" while they're eating a 50% combo because it hit them

This is my absolute favourite thing in esports/fighting games

I think whats important here is the distinction between types as a player and types as a playstyle.

I'm a body and heart player for sure. I don't even know what any of Johnny's frame data is but I'm optimal.

This just happened to me in DBFZ lately, people even killing my first 2 characters with sick combos and then I come back and win with the last one because I already know what they are gonna do and won't care about frame advantage, but their execution is so good with the combos they get me speechless at first and the setups are stupidly strong. I am more of a brain player with heart and yup! like Sajam says when I drop combos on punishes it made me mad at myself but I try to keep focus and sometimes look again for the same situation (which makes me lose the game or drop the combo again lol)

this was an interesting discussion

It's a really cool theory, and easily my favorite Core-A video. It also does a nice job of explaining what makes great players great, since it showcases their personal strength as well as how balanced their abilities are.

I feel like I've seen this. Oh! It was on Core-A!

I'm curious because I haven't thought about it but how would a brains based grappler be different from a heart based one?

I'm primarely a heart based player. Some games feel SO AT HOME for me from the first second ( i.e. Samurai Showdown and GBFV ), while others like Guilty Gear are in a total another spectrum (despite me loving the fuck out of that franchise). What is the typical heart based player style - I'm so occupied with space control and gut feeling, that I continue on hitting them single keys and totally forget to cancel out shit ( i.e. I press M with Katarina and press M again , instead of pressing M into QCB L (which let's assume is safe) ). I get so in the zone when playing that any combo that's not drilled down into my core memory bank is just impossible to execute =D

@0ctavia853

3 жыл бұрын

I think heart based players have the capability of being very good in a short amount of time in new games, but only if they feel comfortable in it due to it being similar to what they're used to. I'm pretty good initially at airdashers, and I immediately feel at home in stuff like GG +R, but man, shit like Tekken or Street Fighter fucks with me.

I'm pretty much a heart+body player...most of the time. There's one mind-based tactic I absolutely love doing: wake-up traps. Example: whenever I get a knockdown on someone, I'll do a special/super move during my opponent's wake-up animation. Of course, it depends on the character.

you need all 3 to some extent to get better, though which want you push a little more is up to you

How to beat a brain based player. Make risky and nonsensical decisions, their brains will melt for everytime they fail to respond to something. Heart based player. Don't play their game, just play the most dry and straightforward game. They will hang themselfes when given enough time, the less buttons you press the better. Since they won't have enough info for their big heart plays. Body players. You don't need to do anything, they will exhaust themselfes.

@noboty4168

4 жыл бұрын

Perfection.

As a brain player, grapplers fuck me up because the risk of jumping is way more than blocking. But then I just eat ten gord 214a's and die, and everyone at my local has a fuckin chuckle

But what's the difference between a Jack Daniel's player and a Captain Morgan player?. I'm trying to main one but idk which one yet

That's an interesting way to categorize it. Guess being a primarily " heart" player I didn't apply enough "brains" to look at it that way.

I'm in this weird limbo where I would be a body based player but I'm actually a heart based one because I pick up combos and tech by watching and just trying it in a game. Problem is this doesn't always work because I hate practicing so for the super technical stuff I'll drop it more often. If I wasn't a lazy player by nature my execution would be way better than it is and I know this. But this leads to me being a heart player by default since it's the only thing that doesn't require labbing or constant research to perfected. Playing with your heart is more fun to me even if I have more of an affinity with the body archetype.

Ever played against an Arcana Heart Player?

I'm 100% a heart player. I don't know tech or matchups very well and my execution isn't great so I just do a lot of stuff on gut instinct like just throwing out random command grabs as Astaroth or trying to bait for a counter hit. I like this way of analysing.

I have a lot to learn I consider my self a body player who likes to play characters that has hard to do combos but are very rewarding

That Maskedsurveyor guy is a genius.

In Tekken, some characters perfectly predict what type of player you are. Are you a Bryan who can TJU pretty consistently? Are you a Kazuya who can PEWGF in your sleep? Then you are definitely in the upper percentile of Body. Are you a King main? Then you probably fall in between Heart and Brain based on how many of the chain throws routes you know. The more routes you know the more toward Brain you're likely to be.

Maxed out heart, how do I reroll my stats

this is like fgc astrology

I honestly think the idea that someone is either a mind or heart player is misleading. Look at M2K and Mango in Melee: you couldn't find two more quintessential examples of mind and heart respectively. Yet, when you watch them do match analysis and talk about their thought process, you'll realise that M2K is also a heart player, and Mango is also a mind player. M2K will mention what he believes people are thinking in certain situations and how to take advantage of it, and Mango, although he might not think of things in terms of numbers or frames, will still talk in detail about options and strategy demonstrating a great theoretical knowledge of the game. The reality is that you need both mind and heart to succeed at high levels of play, and probably the only "difference" is that the people who memorise frame data and put more time into labbing niche situations become known as "mind" players, while people who are more willing to go for risky reads become known as "heart" players.

@moncala7787

4 жыл бұрын

JediLink the system assumes most players have some of every category in them, and the best players often have a lot of each. Its just about identifying their primary leaning. Like on that triangle shown in the CoreA video it has notches because the player might be a 4 in heart, a 5 in body and a 3 in brains and then you draw the lines between them and that’s the player’s unique shape.

I feel like on certain fighting games i take on different aspects of the chart. Depending on how i enjoy the game or approach it

I'm all heart baby!!!!

any link for the full stream that has this video ???

I'm all heart. Haven't spent a day in training mode nor ever memorized any framedata. I've just played my game so much I know what works intuitively and my winrate shows it. My reactions are bad, my execution sucks and I don't know any "data". But I win.

5:39-5:47 Pretty much me. Makes sense why I have trouble grasping anime games but I love Virtua Fighter and other games that don't put execution over reads 100 percent. More about knowledge or the system and reads. Knowing there's a counter etc. I use Brains and heart more than anything but I've shown body skills in VF/DoA by doing Jacky's iageri/Flag sword kick and Akira's knee/double palm

@MoldMonkey93

4 жыл бұрын

I also hate really scummy play that seems like it requires no thought and just seems like people are abaring/hitting buttons on me. Like they'll play a character that is explicitly safe all the forcing me to make risky reads.

What if I'm not any of them. I don't know any frame data, make no correct reads, and drop all combos and miss all punishes

This is legit astrology

Definitely a Brain/Heart player. I've got 2 modes in a fight, and if something doesn't go to plan, that's a rap. I relate to the "he sucks, I just messed up" comment. I can adapt, but too slow on occasion, and I need multiple matches to figure out some opponents game plans.

I'm heart and brain... but I have zero execution

@RougeMephilesClone

4 жыл бұрын

Same.

@tipnsunny2107

4 жыл бұрын

Try working on your reaction time and combo muscle memory. Those are major factors in a decent body player.

@sirjeanpepper2492

4 жыл бұрын

Nah, you just suck, my man

I would say that body beats heart, heart beats brain and brain beats body

I'm a Brain-placed player that's fueled by Heart, but with negative Body skills. It's very hard to win. I'll see optimal punishes, but can't execute them well. So I'll try to read my opponent based on their habits instead. Only to get read like a book myself. It's tough sometimes. But losing can be its own reward.

Dude he definitely described me I'm a mind based player and when I miss a punish which happens a lot I get so frustrated and end up getting destroyed the rest of the mach

I'm mainly Heart with some body. I'll block your string for 30 seconds no sweat and when I feel like your about to throw in a grab I just draw super.

I'm the Brain based guy who play's like a Heart because I can get bored with my own matches while I'm playing them.

Where do you put Smug?

@chrisXDfull

4 жыл бұрын

Phd

Remember hen Core-A Gaming actually released videos? AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

The only way I can play fighting games is to turn my overthinking brain off and get a feel for it more than going on youtube for tutorials on frame data and all the technical stuff before even really having a grasp of the games feeling

Have you guys heard the theory thatLaugh has aboutFighting game playstyles? nice cuts there Sajam :P

I think it's extremely easy to fall in brain-based, until you start getting comfortable with your execution. Also, the thumbnail lol

I thinkg I'm mainly heart, then mind then body.

I'm more of a heart player. I don't use mind games but I can see habits but I don't know how to punish them optimally and if I could I might just drop a combo anyway

No thoughts. Head empty.

One time at a Smash Melee local, I played against a Falco who'd clearly been practicing L-cancel dair into shine. I wasn't very good, but I hit him once out of it when he missed the L-cancel, and for the rest of the set he never tried it again. So I guess from that, I know what's it's like to break a brain-based player.

I play ness in ultimate and am mainly a heart but I have the brain to know those small true combos and kill percents. I’ve only been playing a week or so but in melee I play marth and hoo boy I love using down B to punish my opponents habits, but I still switch to ness to get in my opponents head their like “aight he’s a marth all I gotta do is get close and respect his swor- NESS?”

@somedudeintheinterweb8665

2 жыл бұрын

I play little mac

Rather then playstyles one could say these are the three components of fighting game skill. You need skill in all three to be truly good at fighting games. Sure each player might favor one of the three but lacking in any leads to exploitable weaknesses. Body is needed to constantly maximize your reads and reward your knowledge. Nothing worse then making a good play only to drop a combo or getting hit by reactable jumpins. However without the other skills you won't be able to land those combos, make those set ups or create situations to your advantage. Brain is needed because knowledge is important as if you don't know the options you have available how are you going make those reads or land combos without knowing what you opponent both can and should do. However brain players without body and heart will be predictable, crack under pressure of the unknown and will fail to maximize that knowledge. Heart is needed to make those reads and prevent yourself from being read. But without the other two you are likely to end up flailing around and fall into brain players set ups and traps or getting blown up by body players reaction because you didn't limit their options first. My own strats once I figure out the opponent is too focus one skill is as follow. Use my superior knowledge and reads to control the match against body players making their execution and reflexes worthless. Hit brain players with uncertainty and shatter their focus causing them to blue screen. Play optimally to make them go into routine then hit them with yolo tactics bs and read their panic. Heart players you got to beat by refusing to form patterns and understanding your own psychology to minimize using panic options or falling for psychological traps like the rule of three. Then use superior knowledge and execution to limit the chances for the heart player to read or run mind games making them harmless.

Literal Zodiacs for fighting games

5:55 he just described my entire SFV career TIL I'm a brain based player

Guess I'm brain with a bit of heart. I'm no good at combos, but if I can just read my opponent enough then it's fine, right? Especially if I'm playing Tager.

where's the unga bunga option

What type of player is iDom?

I've won matches against people who can do amazing combos, by using just basic buttons, and rudimentary combos because my execution sucks. Often being able to see patterns in how your opponents play is the most important thing. Obviously at a high level you got to be able to be good at everything, but I feel like smarts can get you pretty far, even if you can't do the hard combos.

I’m that anime player he fights. I know some sick ass openings that put me way ahead......, and then I don’t know how to follow up.

Sonic-body Dragon-brain Ninjakilla-heart

Im probably closer to body but on a bad day i am a brain player

i'm a heart based player with some brain quilities body is the least cause i can do quarter circcle but a half circle foward is hard for me

6:18 Ya got me XD

"This is so unscientific" -- I feel sorry for people who make comments like these. The system is imperfect and hard to quantify, but when you throw a whole system out without also consider its strengths you end up losing tools.

@rolasmola9641

4 жыл бұрын

Stating that it's unscientific isn't throwing the system out all together, it's just pointing out that it hasn't really been rigorously defined and tested. Because of this, it is very much prone to a whole slew of human biases (confirmation bias being a big one). That doesn't mean you should throw it out all-together, but rather approach it with a healthy degree of skepticism, and if you're willing to put in the work, perhaps try to define it in such a way that it's a testable hypothesis so you can run experiments to test whether or not it actually matches up with reality.

I would call always picking the "perfect" option being low-brain, actually, just because a big-brain player should understand that use of different options is what keeps each individual one viable.

I’m the baby brain player who just steamrolls only when my heart makes the right decision

I... feel like I'm none, to any real extent? Perhaps I'm a body-based player with crippled reaction times? Perhaps I'm heart-based to the extent that I go off feeling alone and don't even know it, thinking I'm a mix or doing it brain-based? _Perhaps I'm spleen-based like Daigo?_ Hmm. Something to think about.

3:57 And my +1;) dawg 🐕

I think I'm about 75% heart, 25% body, 0% brain. I have no idea what frame data is 0r what a matchup is. I just press the buttons I think will work for the situation.

>alcohol Bro my kbd is insane off the vodka 😳

I'm just a masher

I suck at all three would that mean I’m off the chart?

Heart, I just love doing the stupid stuff that's fun.

Im too much of a Heart based player to do shit optimally lmao, I just do shit when it feels like the right moment to do so and don't drop it

I'm generally a brain based player but the moment I get knocked down or get a knockdown I go full heart and yolo a stupid option. Most of the time I get hard punished for wake up dp or I will do something extremely stupid and guess that they will fuck up a safe jump or something and get a punish I shouldn't have.

Smug is somehow all three

I'm a Heart-based Zoner with a little bit of body type, people hate me Kappa .

Body and Heart. Optimized is not my vocabulary.

Ima brain body person