All that you described about the circumstances is what I would call normal wear and tear for an older vessel. Sounds like you need to pay alot of attention to the keel, instead of almost no attention. I think as a low budget solo sailor I would not want that in my life.

@ChasingLatitudes

2 жыл бұрын

Yes sir, And that is kind of my point, its not really a OMG bolt on keels are terrible, its me trying to point out that they are very important and require the proper maintenance

@ChasingLatitudes

2 жыл бұрын

@@forussed you still crying after I destroyed you lame last comment ?

@dmitripogosian5084

10 ай бұрын

Fall off from normal wear and tear is almost by definition the meaning of 'just falls off'

Here in NZ 30-40 years ago we had light displacement yacht with deep keels with bulbs or jandel shapes of lead bolted underneath. Many yachts lost there bulbs and some there keels through lack of engineering and possibly maintenance and groundings. Fortunately those gun ho designer's had been held to account and now are more responsible.

I think the modern preference for deep, short keels, which resemble glider wings, is a huge problem. There are better ways to engineer than the bolted flange construction. The problem with such construction is that the loads of the keel are carried by a very small area of the hull. It is very difficult to distribute such loads over a greater portion of the hull, without intruding into it quite a bit (taking up precious cabin space). On top of that, such keels tend to have bulbs on their bottoms, to maximize the righting moment they provide. This puts even greater loads on an already suspect system. I wouldn't own one. Keel strikes are a common part of cruising life. With a keel structure like that, each keel strike will call for a thoroug inspection. I would rather own a slower boat than have to grit my teeth in terror every time I end up in shoaling conditions. I would prefer a keel that is at least as long on its top as it is deep.

All Sailors and those engaged in endeavors involving considerable risk, consider taking a 'Human Factors" course, some available online, at various colleges and training centers. Its this course that could have saved all involved here. This was a case of "all the holes in the Reasons Swiss Cheese Model lining up," and avoidable. #HFACS

I file the bolt on keel vs encapsulated thing in the "nice to have if you can afford it but should not prevent you from buying a boat" category. I put the balsa vs foam core in that category too.

Why not fiberglass a bolted keel to the hull for added security?

I work on boats, and I’ve seen lots of damages on keel joints, but way more on boats with iron keels…. Those have been the ones with larger structural damages…. definitely some boats are better built than others…… but don’t get me wrong, I’ll still love to own some of those European sailboats…. It’s just like avoid grounding at any cost.. specially on rocks!

@ChasingLatitudes

2 жыл бұрын

100%

@rickylefleur2158

2 жыл бұрын

Get a old Dehler 31, they ain't scared of rocks too...

Sound advice is difficult to argue with. I will probably repeat this.

Nice Video! Thanks for the insight! One thing you have touched on in other videos, but I think could use its own video is the mysteries of sailboat insurance! If I pay cash for a $50K boat, is it worth it to get anything other than liability insurance? I have a problem with most insurance as most of the times the T&C's require lawyers to interpret, and even then can be ambiguous. Just not sure it is worth the effort / cost?

WATCH OUT FOR THAT TREEEEEE

It’s like saying the wheel fell off the car because it’s a low profile alloy wheel. 🙈 remember why I got out of boat building now

The performance obsession has led to absurd extremes on sailboats. Bolt on keels have existed for many years and been reliable as a rule. Bolt on a deep high aspect ratio keel and stresses in any kind of strike are huge. A number of builders make boats with low aspect bolt on bilge keels that are intended to “take the ground”. Not a problem because the low aspect ratio imparts only a tiny fraction of the force of a single deep keel.

i have a water ballast and a daggerboard. no worries here. also wouldnt go out too far.

How often does this really happen? The lack of maintenance from these people really keel me.

@86config

3 ай бұрын

90 recorded instances in the past 40 years, with an accompanying loss of 28 lives. That does not include boats that simply vanished, as they.. erm.. vanished with no resultant investigation.

@jesuschrist-alphaomega

3 ай бұрын

@86config 2 a year? That's pretty good odds of you figure in the thousands of boats on the water

@86config

3 ай бұрын

@@jesuschrist-alphaomega Nothing exists in a vacuum, consider, for every one of those boats lost, how many have had substantial groundings, that then have to have the boat lifted out, inspected, remediation works done at the cost of the owners time, financials and utility. The risk of loss of the boat are reasonably low, the time/financial/utility costs inherent in the proper utilisation and maintenance of the design are not. Which unfortunately brings us back to your original post in the thread.

@jesuschrist-alphaomega

3 ай бұрын

@86config let's expand your vacuum and ask for how many times water ways a successfully navigated. Boats don't ground on a rock or bottom, how many miles of ocean crossings happen every day without issues. How many days or years at sea with out having to go on the hard for major repairs. 🤔 two can play this game and I am betting I have the winning numbers. 😎

@86config

3 ай бұрын

@@jesuschrist-alphaomega Jeeze,. I didn't realise you thought it a game or we were in any way playing. Everyone will ground eventually, there is even a saying amongst sailors regarding this. I presented data and pointed out the potential consequences of taking a hard grounding with a bolt on keel. None of it is really in dispute. It's moronic to think there is a win or lose position against statements of fact.

Always bad, when the keel fall off. On a positive not you always can wave from your capsized catamaran....

@airborneranger-ret

2 жыл бұрын

Catamaran's look so cool, even upside down :)

Ha! I love your crazy content, keep the jokes coming! You know, you can really scale this to all genres of travel to grow your channel so someday you’ll be able to afford to go cruising. Airplane’s Suck! = guaranteed death! Then branch in to Water Sucks! - you will drowned!

Fantastic insights!

Well, at least I know the bolts on my encapsulated keep will NEVER fail....one less thing to think about....

Another example of the grid to hull connection failure. Maybe that's what is really giving bolt on keels a bad name.

It's there any way to strengthen your keel? I reckon a lot of people would interested if there was a method

Are keels falling off something that can be fixed with duct tape? Works for most everything. ;)

@rickylefleur2158

2 жыл бұрын

5200 the duct tape of the marine world :D

Your Intro is Too Funny...!!! bwahahahahahaha...Comment Section: '...I Just Found Out, My Birthday is Same day I Was Born..!!...' hahahahahahahaha...!!

Love the info

Could you explain what happened to the Oyster keel that fell off.

@ChasingLatitudes

2 жыл бұрын

Sure, witch one

@peterjpinheiro

2 жыл бұрын

@@ChasingLatitudes the Oyster 825 off Spain. Very hard to find any information on it.

@ChasingLatitudes

2 жыл бұрын

@@peterjpinheiro oh that one, the Polina star 3 , thats a manufacturer error, they won't really admit it but it's was their build on that one

You're a Ruthless Realist, and a Enjoy Your Videos. ..Wait...$100 Dollars Through Pay-Pal...? 😮 How About $5 Dollars Through Pay-Pal?

@ChasingLatitudes

11 ай бұрын

You're a legend

the sky is falling

tree vs car Bahahaha

Yes! It’s just like a Red Rider BB gun…… You’ll shoot your eye out!

Hauling coke on your keel many times

Any qualified engineer can explain why they fail.

21 seconds: BS!

Your clip (judged from the title and opening sentence) comes across as either the worst imaginable clickbait, or an infantile parody of it. I don't know what your schtick is, and I'm not going to discover, because I couldn't listen past the first thirty seconds.

@ChasingLatitudes

3 ай бұрын

I do not care