Saab 9-3 Front Wishbone Replacement | Front End Clunking Noise When Going over bumps
When you have a clunking noise when driving over bumps it could be time for your Saab 9-3 control arm replacement aka front lower control arm replacement.
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Nice quick simple and clear tutorial, I just came here to make sure I was approaching the job correctly and wasnt missing anything. Thanks for the help as ever.
Good video there Cyd, it’s like having a mate helping you that knows his stuff, cheers 👍🏻
Thank you for this video. You helped me a lot before with your video of the ABS-box failure with no crank situation, which made me nearly go crazy. 🙌
I'm delighted by he accuracy you can record the noises that tell of a starting failure. Kepp up the very good work, please!
Funny you uploaded this as i have just started having this issue with mines, being my first car i pulled over thinking i had a flat or something due to the knocking... Thanks for another helpful video!
@CycloneCyd
4 жыл бұрын
Hi HDWK, do let us know how you get on. Get a good quality spare from a known brand too. I used Moog this time around.
This is a fantastic video. (No this isn't a paid comment) A little effort to explain the little tips go a long way. I will be doing both of mine in the morning! 05 9-3 Aero
@CycloneCyd
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, many tutorials are woefully inadequate with all sorts of detail missing (not to mention the shaky camera work). How did you get on?
@nathanbolotta2
3 жыл бұрын
@@CycloneCyd it went well. surprisingly no stubbornness😂👍🏼
Superb video mate, most technicians will never tighten these bushes with the suspension sitting at ride height, which leads to premature failure of the bushings and annoying noises ( a way to keep the customers coming 😂😂) cheers
@CycloneCyd
4 жыл бұрын
Ha ha, a lack of training mostly, but yeah, some are dishonest like that. Actually, one of my old Uni buddies works in Chassis, upstairs from me, so I've known this for years. Haynes manuals also used to include this tip (not sure if they do anymore though). Many thanks.
Changed my wishbone today. Thanks for tutorial! Fingers cross for MOT tomorrow!
@CycloneCyd
4 жыл бұрын
How did it go? Well, I hope?
@reinislacis7197
4 жыл бұрын
@@CycloneCyd Yes! Thank You! Everything went well. I Am considering to buy a cordless impact wrench. That would make everything much more easier. 😃
Excellent stuff. Thank you. Job done, no cursing lol and only damage was my trusty old torque wrench breaking on retightening road wheels...metal fatigue. Looking forward to passing the NCT. Next the rear brakes...
@CycloneCyd
3 жыл бұрын
Nice work! See my brakes playlist 👍
Thank you for posting Cyd, my 2004 9-3 has about 130,000 miles and has started knocking over bumps, especially on cold mornings. I bought 2 new suspension arms and doing them today!
@CycloneCyd
4 жыл бұрын
I had a right old game disconnecting the ball from the hub!!!! let us know how you get on.
@rhynecars
4 жыл бұрын
@@CycloneCyd Both switched out, the tricky part was aligning the holes, found that installing the ball joint first was the easiest way to install.
@CycloneCyd
4 жыл бұрын
@@rhynecars , six of one, half a dozen of the other IMO. Thanks for the tip, I'm sure others will find it useful. Did it cure the knocking?
@rhynecars
4 жыл бұрын
@@CycloneCyd Yes thank you! Would you be able to show us more of the rally car world in a future video? Maybe you could walk through the mechanical aspects of what mechanical upgrades makes a rally car unique, or even how to make a road car better equipped for rally duty?
Thanks for running through this, allows for tackling the job with a bit more confidence. One important thing that you don't mention is tightening the rear bush bolt after applying load on the arm. mine was loose as a goose from the supplier. Here are torque settings (from the SAAB workshop system) for all mounting points: Arm (pin) to swivel member - 50NM Rear bush mount (the 2x18mm) - 65NM then additional 90 degrees rotation Then after load applied: Arm to Front bush - 65NM then additional 90 degrees rotation Arm to Rear bush - 40NM then additional 30 degrees rotation Please note that there are some much higher torque ratings given on several Vectra C tutorials and documentation. Not sure why as most of it is the same platform right?!
Thanks from Texas! Just ordered new arms to do this.
@CycloneCyd
4 жыл бұрын
Let us know how you get on. My ball joint was a sod to separate.
Ours has a knock on the rear too.. thanks for the how too.
@tounovtwin
4 жыл бұрын
Did you find out what the knocking was on the rear, mine also knocks from the rear 🤦♂️👍
@CycloneCyd
4 жыл бұрын
@@tounovtwin quite commonly rear arb bushes kzread.info/dash/bejne/goF1x9FynM3elLQ.html
@CycloneCyd
4 жыл бұрын
This at rear maybe kzread.info/dash/bejne/goF1x9FynM3elLQ.html
Same arms on the vx vectra and insignia good tutorial perfect run through especially the leavel sensor
Thanks for this guidance unfortunately there are a few different knock producers on the front end of a saab for me drop links have been a common problem. Current one for me is a firm clunk which comes on brakes biting at low speed. Any suggestions!
@CycloneCyd
3 жыл бұрын
Oh, blimey yes. There are no end of knock producers. Drop links are common, but also: wishbone ball joint; rear wishbone bush; top mounts; top mount bearing; track rod end; inner track rod ball joint; shocks; springs (broken); brake pads (loose in caliper); subframe bushes. Currently my RH inner track rod ball is knocking so I'll be replacing it soon (video to follow). For your knock I'm thinking rear wishbone bush, but don't hold me to that. What you really need is one of these amzn.to/31FI0Sl
Thanks from Finland!
@CycloneCyd
4 жыл бұрын
Hi Paxi, welcome. Which model Saab do you run?
@paxi9078
4 жыл бұрын
9-3 2.0T Aero SS. year05
Thank you for this tutorial! Replacing the left side on my 2007 9-3. 👍
@CycloneCyd
4 жыл бұрын
Glad it helped 👍 consider doing both sides 🤘
Thanks from Italy!!!
@CycloneCyd
4 жыл бұрын
Hi Riccardo, welcome aboard
Yes this video was dead on...Thanks a bunch.
@CycloneCyd
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks M.
That's an amazing run through, thanks for all the detail and background info! Now I'm questioning my naive confidence continuing to drive with a louder and louder clunking 😅 My question is about jacking the suspension up at the end, seems a bit dangerous and precarious working under a dynamic sprung-load, did you position the jack under the rotor or something a bit more stable?
@CycloneCyd
3 жыл бұрын
Jack under the ball joint. Remember the car is still on it's axle stand so can't fall.
This might be what I need done to my car wow will see what happens when I inspect it now
@CycloneCyd
4 жыл бұрын
Hi Josh, if the wear is less than mine, you could get an assistant to waggle the steering while you hold the ball joint to feel if there is any play.
Great video!!! Please keep it up! Thank you!
@CycloneCyd
4 жыл бұрын
Thank you! Will do!
Great video thanks!
@CycloneCyd
Жыл бұрын
Glad you liked it!
Excellent
Great video!!! Thank you!
@CycloneCyd
3 жыл бұрын
You are so welcome!
Appreciating this!
@CycloneCyd
3 жыл бұрын
Have you got to do yours? Thanks for the comment
@elgatovolador3226
3 жыл бұрын
Yes! The right one got the rubber torn and I believe it was installed improperly before I bought it in 2016. I believe that's the case because it has been making a clunking noise all that time and I've just been too lazy to do anything about it until now thanks to your video.
When using the jack to install the ball joint stud into the socket (and when preloading the bushing), shouldn't you lift from the suspension arm rather than from the ball joint? Lifting directly underneath the ball joint risks damaging the ball joint cap, right? Especially if the jack does not have rubber padding in the contact area, thus resulting in metal-on-metal contact between the ball joint cap and the jack.
Hi Cyd, do you have to replace the hardware when doing this job, or did you find the bolts were in fine condition?
Dont do what I have done in the past and try and drive the balljoint bolt in with an impact gun when it isn't lined up! doesnt make for fun times
@CycloneCyd
3 жыл бұрын
I feel your pain. I've been working on cars for 45 years, I've made my fair share of cok-ups❗
Gracias por Video
Does a 2007 Saab 9-3 2.0T I have a ride height sensor I never had one on it when I bought it used
Perfect video 👍🏻
Hi CC ! Do i have to use a new nut on the bolt for lower ball joint when assembling a new wishbone ? Thanks for good video`s ! Kind regards from Norway.🙂
@CycloneCyd
2 жыл бұрын
Shouldn't be necessary if the fitted bolt is in good condition. If you need one, Neo Bros keep a few good used ones (I needed one)
My 9-3 is make a slight rattle / knocking over bumps but I'm sure its droplink
Hi, really useful video with additional explanation.....I would like to change the wishbone, not about knocking noise, my car is pulling right. Do you think the wishbone can cause this phenomenon? I think there was a minor accident with the car , because of the right headlight is brighter than the left one!
@CycloneCyd
4 жыл бұрын
Mine pulls ever so slightly to the left, yet the car is perfectly aligned. It is caused by the camber of the road. Pulling to one side can also be caused by the rear wheel toe being out of alignment. It is CRUCIAL to have these aligned on a HUNTER four wheel alignment rig.
Thank you for this video. I forgot to put the weight of the car when I tightened the front bushing. When I went for a test drive I heard a slight squeaking from I’m guessing the bushing. Is it ok if I just loosen the bolt and re tighten it the right way?
@CycloneCyd
3 жыл бұрын
Yes, that'll be fine. Spray a little silicone lube on the bush and bounce the car with the bolt loose, so it settles in place before tightening again.
another cracking video......thank you CC
@CycloneCyd
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks, John. Hope it helps.
As ever excellent 👌
@CycloneCyd
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks gl. I'm very pleased with how this video came out and how well it's been recieved. Clearly lots of people have this issue
Hi do you know the torque settings for the bolts please?
Pretty sure mine has gone but I can’t get it to show any movement with a bar from underneath. I can’t find anything wrong with anything else but I have a very loud knock over bumps
Mine isn't making any sounds but my joint is definitely wearing out like crazy
@CycloneCyd
3 жыл бұрын
Oh, yeah. Mine only knocked on that rough bit of road. On smooth motorway there was no knocking nor vibration, hence it was found at MoT time.
Thanks from tmoney
@CycloneCyd
3 жыл бұрын
Welcome!
Hey cyd, I'm wanting to poly bush my wishbones, what would you say would be the best at home tool to get the old bushes out?
@CycloneCyd
2 жыл бұрын
The rear bush defo needs a press. Take the wishbones to a garage or workshop to remove the old ones. You can put the polys in easy enough yourself though
i am having a slight clunking noise when i go over bumps i was told it was the sway bar link rubbers i have no movement in my wheels when i move them does that sound right
Darn, ESaab sold me an end bushing for that ball joint. Is there really no way to replace just the bushing? It was $60+. I should of just bought wishbone
There's a repair kit from SAAB Ref 12799814, its a bellows kit to change the rubber bushing and circlips of the strut rotule, so you don't need to change all the control arm for a new one, you refurbish the old one, as long as the others 2 horizontal bushings are good (but, even the back horizontal one can be changed, there's a separate ref. for it). Do you know about that kit, did you ever used it ? thanks.
@CycloneCyd
2 жыл бұрын
I wasn't aware of that kit, but in general the gaiter on ball joints can be changed and there are plenty of universal ones available. You really need to know the ball joint is in excellent order if you're only changing the gaiter.
@LDantinhas
2 жыл бұрын
@@CycloneCyd yes you can’t keep the rotule knocking on the arm through the damaged gaiter rubber for too long, cause it’ll become non spherical and loose the ability to perform well just changing the gaiter kit. But if you do it as soon as you feel the knockings, it’s a cheaper way to sort it out I think, both sides repair kits cost less than one complete arm 👍
Is that tyre on the right way round? Tread pattern looks to be back to front.
@CycloneCyd
4 жыл бұрын
Uniroyal Rainsport 3, assymetric, all good 🤘
Did you have to do a wheel alignment after you changed the wishbone?
@CycloneCyd
4 жыл бұрын
No. You shouldn't have to unless the ball was worn last time you had it done. But if that were the case the tech should have noticed and let you know. BTW on these cars always have a full four wheel alignment - preferably on a Hunter rig. In the UK go to alignmycar.co.uk
You will notice on the wishbones Their is a flat flange with two holes. On some saab 93s screwed to the two holes is a tiny motor with cam operated lever. Their are two of these One passenger front wishbone The other driverside rear. Both electrically operated. Anyone know what these are and what is their purpose.
@CycloneCyd
4 жыл бұрын
Suspension height sensors for the xenon headlights. See from 7:00 in the video
@caractacusbrittania7442
4 жыл бұрын
I appreciate that...thanks
Is it advisable to do both sides at the same time? Should I get my tracking done afterwards?
@CycloneCyd
3 жыл бұрын
Yes, otherwise you'll have new bushes on one side and old on the other. You shouldn't need the alignment done, but if it's been a long time then get a 4 wheel alignment. Find somewhere with a Hunter rig if you can.
@meehollmurakoo1673
3 жыл бұрын
The left one arrived yesterday so I'll order the other today. Thanks for the advice.
@CycloneCyd
3 жыл бұрын
@@meehollmurakoo1673 You're welcome
@pjackson65
3 жыл бұрын
Sir, I just bought a 2006 Saab 9-3 “saloon“ as you UK folks like to call them :-) At lower speeds little bumps produce a clunk, but not at higher speeds. I don’t really feel the clunk as one would expect with a worn suspension component, I simply hear it. The vehicle only has 112,000 miles on it. My problem is that I don’t really know what “normal” is. I’ve never driven a brand new Saab 9-3. How many miles did your car have on it before you started experiencing the noise in the video?
@jarrahclarke2319
3 жыл бұрын
@@pjackson65 how did it go? I'm about to find out if my knocking is the wishbone or the sway bar bushes. My knocking developed slowly over a couple of months and is just getting louder. A couple of years ago a similar sound was fixed by replacing the sway bar linkages
What is the torque setting for the pinch bolt?
@davidl7871
Жыл бұрын
pinch bolt (E14/16mm) is 50NM.
Where did you buy it from and for how much
@CycloneCyd
4 жыл бұрын
Hi Ahmad, her in the UK I sourced a Moog unit from Eurocarparts and it was about £80. I'd caution against buying cheap unbranded wishbones. Are you having trouble sourcing one?
will it also make a noise when i twist the wheel ive noticed that my saab 9-3 MY 07 is starting to make clunking noises when turning and i know its not a broken spring ? could it be an axle ?
@CycloneCyd
4 жыл бұрын
Hi Omar, clunking noises from the front can be the Devil's own work to track down. I'd check the steering universal joint (kzread.info/dash/bejne/lXWorct-n7WqXco.html and kzread.info/dash/bejne/fWt317mjfpu8es4.html) or the inner track rod ball joint as first ports of call. Be sure to let us know how you get on
@xXFuZeSnipeZzXx
4 жыл бұрын
Knocking noises can be so much! If it is over bumps, it is usually the ball joint in this video or springs. If it is on uneven roads or potholes, and it sounds like your car is falling apart, it is probably the sway bar bushings or end links. Mine was making horrible noises, and I replaced my front end links, and rear bushings (those were a real bitch). End links removed some noise, but the worst was coming frlm the loose bushings on the rear. Now it is completely silent even though my ball joints are worn out on all four wheels.