Hey all, want to correct some of my information in the video that has been generously pointed out in the comments: 1. The B235R will need internal upgrades to reach 500hp, but 500hp is easily attainable when done properly. 2. the updated 9-3 interior started in 2007, not 2008 3. The 9-5 Aero bumper was for 2004 and 2005 models, not 2003-5.

@pippaengroda

6 жыл бұрын

the seats also fold flat in both 9-3 and the 9-5 wagons :) but they to not in either the 9-5 or the 9-3 sedans :)

@danastulce4707

6 жыл бұрын

Wonderful comparison between the two types. As a former 99, 900, and current 9000 Aero user I feel the 4 cylinder turbo is THE classic characteristic of the breed. B234R is an awesome mill and to me the ultimate expression of Saab automotive art...but that's just me😎

@davevq

6 жыл бұрын

B235R max is really 350hp before pistons give up and thats really pushing it, 325 is more a safe zone, have to do turbo and injectors to get there and keep your EGTs down. Stage 3 is 300hp because the 15T is out of puff and injectors are nearly at the limit most tuners would be comfortable with

@jkarra2334

6 жыл бұрын

wössner pistons, forged con rods, hybrid turbo, exhaust, injectors,fuel pump and cam and youre good to go for 400+ with b235r, best saab engine for tuning will always be b204l , i had 2.0t dynoed for 465Hp in daily driver, now driving with 352Hp 2011 aero with also wössners + con rods + hybrid turbo + injectors + exhaust&downpipe + E85

@larijauhiainen8596

6 жыл бұрын

Former models had saab T5 engine 1993-2000 which had stronger pistons, and those could really handle the 500hp

9-5 Aero for me :)

@AutoAutopsy

6 жыл бұрын

Cant argue with that :)

I bet more people own 9-3s and that's why they voted 9-3. Of course the 9-5 is better.

@AutoAutopsy

6 жыл бұрын

Good point! The 9-3 did sell better!

@Themadscientist1969

4 жыл бұрын

The 9-3 is most definately most popular in my area of Cincinnati as I feel likethe only one who owns a 9-5 Aero.. everything i see is a 9-3 variation.. (about to buy another 9-5 to match for $500 because it won't "idle" ... lol ) can someone say Vaccum leak or Throttle body?--lol

@kristianblagov4924

4 жыл бұрын

Are you dumb or something

@maowing371

2 жыл бұрын

the 9-3 is better!

@matthewnash2840

Жыл бұрын

9-5 all the way

I like your choice. Mine too. As for sludge, the breather system was to me more of a GM corporate excuse. I worked on these at the SAAB dealer from day 1. The sludge was caused by the new scheduled maintenance program of "free" services. The problem was that these were at 10k mile intervals on crap Saab oil that I would not have put in my lawn mower. It seriously was not even good for 3K miles; and new SAAB owners often waited till 14K miles before they brought their car in for the first service....these became the infamous "sludge" cars. Later, Mobil 1ended up being the real solution, allowing for the new market driven extended service intervals without damaging the engine.

@AutoAutopsy

6 жыл бұрын

Wow, I only use Mobil1 :)

@panzerprou812

6 жыл бұрын

I use 0w-40 euro mobile1 :)

As a fan of SAAB, I liked the 900. But if I had to choose I'd go with the 9-5 with the turbo four. To me that's a SAAB.

@AutoAutopsy

6 жыл бұрын

Yep, I'm also considering doing a comparison between the 900 and 9000, or old 900 and new (GM) 900

@danielastrom8677

6 жыл бұрын

me too

@adamg9079

6 жыл бұрын

I have an 04 9-5 aero 5 speed sedan and I LOVE it. You should absolutely get one of you have the opportunity.

@Soulfirer

6 жыл бұрын

I have a track 9000. 360bhp, stripped out to 1000kg. Good power to weight ratio! Raw. Probably faster than my 500BHP saab 9-5 daily drive sleeper!! Kev SOULFIRER UKSaabs Scotland UK 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

@MattCSLnut

6 жыл бұрын

Four pot with a BIG turbo is the SAAB way ;-]

If you would have been a salesman for Saab during production, they would have not gone out of business. Great video

@AutoAutopsy

6 жыл бұрын

Haha, thank you Bryan :)

As a saab technician for twenty years. Id go with the 9-5,no torque steer and more power unless it was the viggen in the 9-3,the 9-5 aero was a beast,250bhp to the front wheels,great car and in manual only for my preference!!im talking 9-3 up to 2003,new 9-3 had two aero options 2.0litre with 220 bhp and 2.8 v6 variant was a great engine but still would sway to the 2002-2005 9-5

@AutoAutopsy

6 жыл бұрын

Good thinking!

@uliperezsatx

6 жыл бұрын

Why would you not recommend the v6 2.8 06 i am buying one this weekend

@southdkstreet

6 жыл бұрын

SGT TECH I didn't not recommend it,its a fabulous power plant,I just prefer the 2.3 t in the 9-5 aero,the 2.8 is very reliable,great engine provided its been looked after youll have no problems

@uliperezsatx

6 жыл бұрын

papa shango ok thank you 🙏🏼 is there anything i should feel/look for when test driving this bad girl 06 93 aero v6 140k

@southdkstreet

6 жыл бұрын

SGT TECH if its been looked after then no,but ignition coils have a habit of failing and because its a v6 can be a little difficult to identify a minor misfire but other than that no,but like I said only if its been well looked after,maybe listen for t chain noise even though ive never had an issue with one,just check for any sludge on the dip stick or under the oil cap but id say itll be ok if its been well serviced,good luck

9-5 Aero 7 days a week 👍🏻👍🏻 i myself owe a 2004 9-5 Aero Sport Combi 👍🏻👍🏻

@AutoAutopsy

6 жыл бұрын

Nice! I'm jealous

The best of them all? T5 900/9-3s - strongest least amount of electronics Viggen - T7 weakness pistons, but the viggen are cool 99-01 9-5s - are the "better" built 9-5s, interior parts and quality control was some of Saabs best 04-05 9-5s - Quality control lacks, definitely not as tight of drum like earlier 9-5s, more electronics to fail 08+ 9-3s - no fiber optic stereo (07 too), better body lines 03-07 9-3s - meh I own a 99 9-5 Wagon and an 04 9-5 Aero. GM completed the purchase of Saab in 99. How can you tell when GM parts are used more in a Saab? the ones with Green dot matrix screens inside and they are the ones with most quality issues. I've built b235s by my own two hands, I've touched every bolt on the 9-5s. 9-5s are the better choice.

@AutoAutopsy

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing your opinion

@dannyjr7997

4 жыл бұрын

DaveVQ I own a 1999 Saab 9-5. Agree she's well built. 219k and still going strong.

@kekchup6288

3 жыл бұрын

@@dannyjr7997 the earlier (before 03) 9-5s had problems with oil sludge, didn't they? Personally I think the older ones look better but Saab fixed the issue with the oil sludge one the post 03 models.

My daughter has a 2008 9-5 Aero. I love that car! One previous owner well cared for and drives like a dream!

@AutoAutopsy

6 жыл бұрын

Wow awesome!

I have a 00 9-5 Aero "stock". 9-3 is different(better at cornering etc.). The sludge issue: with the latest oil development there seems to be no issue. I just had my engine torn apart this year. Just to let you know: it's not a cheap car to maintain :D There are a few glitches etc. But the thing is...It's a keeper.

@AutoAutopsy

6 жыл бұрын

And the last part is the most important; good man!

9-5 SC Aero for me - bought a 2007 just a couple of weeks ago and I'm loving it :)

@AutoAutopsy

2 жыл бұрын

Cool!

2007 9-5 Aero with manual transmission - which is the one that I have :)

@AutoAutopsy

6 жыл бұрын

Nice!

@aeropilot4419

6 жыл бұрын

Ivan Tobias 2004 Aero SportWagon for me, manual transmission, Stage 3 tune from John of JZW in Colorado ... perfect sleeper 😏

@TSCtheTHC

6 жыл бұрын

Ivan Tobias I have that too. I think it's beautiful. I put a 3inch exhaust on mine. And it uncorked my turbo. Fwd burnouts like butter on dry tar

@cristianseibriger799

6 жыл бұрын

Ivan Tobias It is a good car, had one of those but inswitched back to the 2005 model, cause the central console of the new model is so ugly. And the plastics on tge dash are just not that nice anymore. Plus i found a 300hp hirsch performance 9-5 from 2005, with special seats and trim and i just couldn't resist. But otherwise the 2006 on 9-5 is a good car, but is the car with wich in my opinion saab showed us that they lost it.

@zparparz5620

5 жыл бұрын

Cool. I have an 02 9-5 aero

I vote 9-5 Aero and recently have put my money on a ‘03 model. At 14 years old, it has had its mechanical issues: gas lid button wire unplugged, stereo system flaking out at times and needing Tech2 tool to pair with car, 4-wheel realignment, 4 tires, plugs, air filter, and oil change, and most recently the sudden stalling caused by a failing crank position sensor. Still, I love this car for its overall handling feel, performance, comfort, safety and Euro design. Even with repairs it is a great value.

@AutoAutopsy

6 жыл бұрын

No car is perfect but it's clear you love your Saab. Happy for ya!

Great video. I'll take 2005 9-5 Aero Wagon with Hirsch Performance :)

@AutoAutopsy

6 жыл бұрын

Nice!

@coinhvy2520

3 жыл бұрын

I need help I’m looking at 04 9-5 aero manual or the O5 9-3 aero automatic The 9-5 had 178k and the 9-3 has 130k

No arguments with your choice there buddy ;-] the 2004 - 2005 9-5 AERO Manual is also my overall choice, partly due to the revised front & rear body styling (as you've already mentioned) + superior build quality... but mainly it's due to the improved B235R engine (no more sludge problems thanks to the revised breather system) and its tunebility potential ( Stage 1 map = 275 BHP & masses of torque) although I have to admit I'm completely bias as I have one B-] (my second one) a 2004 MY 9-5 AERO Manual 4 door. The reason the interior fit & finish feels so much better (less plasticky) in the 9-5s over the 9-3s is manly because it was developed by SAAB before GMs take over so it had very little of GM's accountants involvement. I've owned a 2006 9-3 SportsWagon so I've personal experience of the "cheep & creaky" GM plastics + paper thin leather. ATB and keep up the great SAAB content.

@AutoAutopsy

6 жыл бұрын

Yep exactly! Thank you :)

I just love the first gen 9-5 with the pointier headlights. Look so much more aggressive and cool!

@AutoAutopsy

6 жыл бұрын

I see what you're saying, but the 2003-2005 9-5 just looks better to me!

I've owned 2 '01 9-5 Aero but not a 9-3. The interior space is what I needed and the lines of it had me smitten!

@AutoAutopsy

6 жыл бұрын

Nice! Can't go wrong with that

I know that I'm seeing this 5 years later, but I have a chance to buy a late 2003 9-5 Aero (with the shark tooth bumper) with only 106,000 miles here in the UK. This video has confirmed that I should buy it.

2004 9-5 Aero....my car. Keeps alot of more expensive cars honest. Stage one ECU makes a huge difference. Yes, and the seats are really comfortable.... I've driven later model SAABs, and they don't compare. Stage 3 tune down the track.

I bought an ‘07 9-5 2.3T as my first car and it is absolutely fantastic. I look forward to driving it every day and I can’t wait for more days to come. It came with a factory optional rear lip spoiler, it pulls like crazy and it’s just an amazing car to drive. Definitely worth the money and I couldn’t have bought a better car.

@AutoAutopsy

5 жыл бұрын

nice! Congrats on the purchase :)

The Saab 95 aero is what I started with. My first car, and what started my love for Saab

@AutoAutopsy

6 жыл бұрын

Nice!

@chadm9944

6 жыл бұрын

And I absolutely love your channel man. I'm trying to build my Saab up, got the K&N filter and looking for a bigger turbo

@AutoAutopsy

6 жыл бұрын

Awesome :) I appreciate your support! Have fun

@valdimicolchik7975

5 жыл бұрын

@@chadm9944 - K&N are the junkiest filter ever. Will NOT filtering the air from small particle. Actually K&N already have plenty of lawsuits. It is better to have good quality of Air Filter which will filtering more better the air which going in the engine. SAAB🌷🇸🇪 have already enough Power, don't ruin what it is good. Good Luck to You !

@lastcyrol

3 жыл бұрын

SAAB 95 never had an Aero. Aero started with 9000. Also some people would like to call the 900 SPG an Aero, but still that's way newer model than the 95. You obviously speak of 9-5, but please be precise, otherwise you leave impression of a WV fan.

Last year I bought a 2001 9-5 Aero from co-worker for $175.00! (said it was smoking BAD when running).. after he parked it for 5 years (running on occasion to keep oil in top of engine,etc though). Was gonna "junk it" figuring the Turbo was going out, same as happened in his 2006 9-5 before it blew up on way to trade it in for his new dodge charger).. For the past year+ now I have driven it daily to 184K+ miles with no issues of smoke at all.. (this car still has original clutch in it!--Highway miles!) Just did back brakes n rotors and had to replace an Air bypass valve for $26.00 online plus a set of plugs (he had put e3's in it!---yuck!--now with NGK's back in it fine!) My first SAAB, and I loved it so much I just bought a 9-3 Linear vers. for $800.00 with it;s Issues... (alot).. LOL with EXCELLENT body, but needed timing chain set because it no longer runs... :( I do all my own engine work of course--so no problem when i find bent valves etc in it on tear down.. I know it will as compression reads (in PSI cyls 1 thru 4 as) 0,30,0,90psi.. lol Likely more issues also, BUT my point is--SAAB built EXCELLENT motors and cars as could be expected from a company who built Military Aircraft!! (before GM tried to "save them".. I don't blame GM as I also like my old school chevy's (not so much newer junk). But before the US went to shit on quality in cars.. Even if SAAB went back into making cars today--I couldn't afford a new one. But would like to buy those old ones! LOL Glad to see atleast our aftermarket still supports them pretty well.. Hope they continue to or you may see the first RWD SAAB 9-5 Aero with an LS1 motor in it! (or maybe like my old school 1986 S10 pickup a 1967 327 v8 motor rebuilt with modern technology in it.. lol) ... I love that car that much that I will save them BOTH now as long as I can do so economically before transplanting "my engines" in them.. :) To the Swedish folks who originally built my 9-5, thank you, and please go back and consider doing it again with your original QUALITY!! Solo!!! These cars are awesome--and glad to have finally been able to afford experiencing one of them! --Your quality definately showed in your product in my 2001 9-5! Shes running 184,400 on her and still on original clutch!!! (a testament for highway vs city miles for sure, but also quality in production!) Love SAAB folks!

@AutoAutopsy

4 жыл бұрын

lol nice! good to hear you've "saved" a couple of saabs!

Uh 1997 9000 Aero please!! Those front seats!!

@AutoAutopsy

6 жыл бұрын

9000 is a great buy too!

@SteveJonesPerezCom

3 жыл бұрын

@@AutoAutopsy 9000T one of the finest roadcars every built, have owned 900T, 9000 Aero & my current 9-5 so I know!

The 9-5 is much more comfortable, better quality, better “feel”, quieter inside, and a real sleeper. Because of their reputation among boy racers as “grandpa’s car”, they are generally available for less money than the 9-3 in the US. The early 1998-2003 3.0t was fun to upgrade but rarely done. The manual tranny acceleration of the 2.3T in 2nd gear used to make me stop, turn around, repeat until grinning from ear to ear. It had legendary ability to walk away from V8 powered muscle at traffic signals, toll plazas and the line. Seeing the look on the face of another driver when I left them in the dust with my 4 cylinder, 4 door sedan (black), and my gray hair was always a rewarding feeling!

@AutoAutopsy

4 жыл бұрын

yeah, they're not bad

I know you didn’t cover it but, I just purchased a 2010 9-3 2.0T XWD, 6 speed automatic, and love it! I also still own a 2007 2.0T, with 216,000mi, original head gasket, fuel pump,exhaust, wheel bearings, timing chain, power steering rack and pump,etc.. all original! Saab made a great car!

@AutoAutopsy

3 жыл бұрын

That is awesome!

Thanks for review. Had 2 9000 CSE;s and preferred them to my 2008 9-5 Aero. They all had 2.3L, very reliable. They handled better and hauled more with a hatch back. The 9-5 is safer and roomier than 9-3 so my vote is 9-5.

@AutoAutopsy

4 жыл бұрын

Fair enough!

Last time I had the sump dropped, it was completely clean....as long as you get your oil and filter changed regularly ( for me, every 5000 km ), no chance of sludge. Just look after your car, there's less of these beasts around, now.

I'd go with first gen 9-5. My dad had this car, and it was upped to almost 400bhp. My 9-3 as you say is more plastic and the 9-5 had leather seats, nice wooden panels and all that quality stuff.

@AutoAutopsy

6 жыл бұрын

Wow nice! All Saabs had leather seats by the way

one of the best Saab comparison vids one can find 👍 but comparing a 9-5 to a 9-3 is like trying to compare a BMW 3-series with 5-series. Both cars are not really in the same class.

Great video and comments, I have 3 Saabs / 2002 Wagon Aero/2004 9-3/ 2007 9-3 love them all

@AutoAutopsy

6 жыл бұрын

Wow awesome!

I LOVE the old 9-5 with the b235

@AutoAutopsy

6 жыл бұрын

Me too!

The 9-5 at 2:30 in is called a Hirsch Troll edition. Very rare. It was basically a tuning exercise by Hirsch and Saab; they threw all of Hirsch's kit at it, plus a bigger Garrett TB 28 turbo. It got a Hirsch stage 3 tune, Hirsch exhaust (check out the exhaust tips on that car at 2:30), Hirsch discs and pads, Hirsch pedals and carbon fibre dash/sill plates, Hirsch front and rear bumper, Hirsch alloys etc. It made 305bhp and around 420lb ft of torque. I had one of only two in Australia, and like an idiot I sold it. I really miss that car.

@AutoAutopsy

5 жыл бұрын

Wow!!!

9-5 gang all day I have an 04 9-5 for my winter car and a 03 five speed 9-5 for a summer car wouldn’t take any other Saab

@AutoAutopsy

6 жыл бұрын

Nice!

I ran a '05 9-3 for 200K (gave to son), and I've recently purchased a '06 9-5 Aero 5MT. So far I like the 9-5 better. More room, better revving, better handling (wider tires), and geared better for highway travel. Interior is a push but i like the ventilated seats and double din for aftermarket head unit option that I now have are nice. Appearance: front end better now, back end not as good now. Enjoyed the video. thanks

@AutoAutopsy

4 жыл бұрын

thanks for sharing your thoughts, Brian :) glad you enjoyed

@leoscaremporium2007

3 жыл бұрын

I find that my 9-5 Aero has a lot of body roll, but the more I push the car, the more stable and planted it feels. It's a real unique feeling car in the handling department.

You should check how much potential the 2.8T V6 have. With a stage 1 you get 320 hp and 400 lb-ft. The internals can handle over 450+ hp. The F40 gearbox is also a lot better than in the 9-5:s. Great video as always!

@AutoAutopsy

6 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

@skworthington95

Жыл бұрын

At 550 hp the rods will fail.

I'm a huge fan of 86 900 Saab, and I am a proud Owner of a 2002 Saab 9-3, I love the car for it's comfort, and handling, somehow I found it sportier than the 9-5, wider tires all around it gives the car a more stoning look, and after modifying the exhaust for better sound....Man ...what can I tell you.... I am totally sold to Saab cars.... They most bring them back on the Market.... I believe they would be a Success!!!

9.5 hands down! No comparisson. I've worked on Saabs for the last 40 years. The 9.5 is a real Saab.

@AutoAutopsy

6 жыл бұрын

Anything with a Saab badge is a real Saab, thanks for sharing :)

I had a 2002 2.3t 9-5 sedan in high school that i put nearly 100K miles on before buying my moms '07 2.3T 9-5 SportCombi. I will have to admit I have only ever been a passenger in a 9-3, but it was the 9-5's interior that always made me feel some type of way. The 9-5's design language is timeless. Yes, post '05 interiors are a KISS less unique, but satellite radio & AUX in makes up for that. I run Michelin pilot super sports in the summer & can throw the 9-5 around the hills of western MA as I would an E-Class with the same confidence. The engine in the 9-5 is a bit much for the chassis to handle at times, but I think that is part of the fun. I will always have a 9-5 in the driveway, though the V90 will most likely be my future daily driver.

@AutoAutopsy

6 жыл бұрын

Nice!

You know I’m going to say my 2009 9-3 Aero XWD reigns supreme here. Handling, Performance, Mods, and look. Comfort and such goes to 9-5...owned my 09 Aero since new and loved it. 85k on the clock ten years later and still turning heads. Maybe one day soon I’ll be selling it to get a NG 9-5 at 6’4 and 240lbs it’s getting harder to squeeze into the aero these days.

@AutoAutopsy

5 жыл бұрын

Agreed! (I've since changed my opinion, lol)

My 07 Saab 9-3 2.0T and my dad’s 07 Aero have the updated interior as in the 08’s. In the video you said 06-07 have the “less appealing” interior. All in all great video and love to see videos on Saabs.

@AutoAutopsy

6 жыл бұрын

Right. Starting in 07 they got the updated interiors. Exterior facelift was in 08

Going from a 06 93 aero sedan to a 04 95 arc wagon was insane, threre's more room, better interior quality, better on gas (lol), and I prefer having a tape deck and the orange screens personally

@AutoAutopsy

9 ай бұрын

thanks for sharing!

As for me i prefer the 9-3 over the 9-5. Reason being i think 9-5 looks somewhat old-fashioned. That together with the better handling made me choose the 9-3. My first by the way at already 63 of age. Used to be a Volvo enthusiast for years. I'd love a 9-3 with the 2.3 out of the 9-5, that would be the optimum.

@AutoAutopsy

2 жыл бұрын

interesting, thanks

The Saab 9-5 had a massive suspension upgrade in 2002. I got a 2003 9-5 for $250 and it handled so good compared to the earlier models....especially my 2005 9-5 wagon

@AutoAutopsy

3 жыл бұрын

2005 is after 2003 tho? Might have had aftermarket suspension; to my knowledge they were never changed but i could definitely be wrong lol

I had a 2004 Saab 9-5 Aero. The B235R does not handle extra power well. It is already tuned within an inch of its life stock. They're prone to blowing up if you tune them to anything more than about 300 hp without beefing up the internals. Ask me how I know. But, I also think that the 9-5 is also a much nicer car than the 9-3. If i had to pick between a stock 9-3 Aero or a stock 9-5 Aero I'd go for the 9-5. Quality wise, the 9-5 is a much better built car than the 9-3.

@AutoAutopsy

6 жыл бұрын

I corrected that in the pinned comment, thanks for sharing

I have a 2002 9-5 linear 4cyld stickshift with leather seats and heated seats fully loaded, bought it 1 year ago with 83k I love this car

@AutoAutopsy

6 жыл бұрын

Nice!

I have driven and roadtripped both the 9-5 and 9-3, i bought a 9-5 Aero wagon yesterday for a reason. Better quality, and as a roadtrip car its better in every thinkable way. That being said the 9-3 still rocks

@AutoAutopsy

5 жыл бұрын

both are amazing!

I had both, I prefer the 9-3 aero, mine was a 2005, 2 liters, I loved that car.

@AutoAutopsy

2 жыл бұрын

nice

I have just bought my 3rd Saab my first was a manual 2.2 tid diesel wagon then I bought a 2.2 automatic 9-3 aero petrol and now I have a 2.3 9-5 automatic aero and for me it’s got to be the 9-5

@AutoAutopsy

2 жыл бұрын

Nice!

I can only go by those SAAB's being 'Collected' here in Australia, and it strongly appears that it is the first generation 9.5's from 1998 to 2000, or 'chrome grill' as their called, that are sought after. 9.3's are not that desirable, and are sadly disappearing here. The 900 'classic' is the preferred choice in the '3' segment.

saab 9-5 wagon just like i have with the b235r engine 280bhp as my run around . also have saab 9000 with the b234r engine running 490bhp with standard internals.

@AutoAutopsy

6 жыл бұрын

Wow nice!

@Soulfirer

6 жыл бұрын

9000 engine strong Take on track and gearbox is a consumable though!! What box you running? Kev SOULFIRER UKSaabs Scotland 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

I own a 2006 non areo wagon and turn out to be my better choice. Its rare and special. With 2007 features. How did that happen? Best Saab 9-5 2008 Areo wagon ice snow anniversary. WOW. Btw love your hard work. SPACESHIP...

@AutoAutopsy

4 жыл бұрын

thanks; 2006 with 2007 features..?

I had 2 9000s and those were the most comfortable seats ever. Long road trips were a pleasure. Only thing I didn't like was the rather heavy clutch. Looking to replace my 06 automatic Outback with a 9-5 manual. I miss driving a stick.

@AutoAutopsy

3 жыл бұрын

do it! haha ;)

9-3 V6 is often tuned, check the 2.8 alliance on Facebook, lots of options out there and people running 400bhp+, basic remap takes the V6 to 300bhp or 320bhp if you don't care about clutch or coils. 9-3 V6 early models can suffer cam chain stretch 9-3 V6 also suffer from weak coils and are sensitive to plug type and gap 9-3 V6 XWD has issues with haldex 4WD and eLSD reliability 9-3 2.0T Aero was available from 2003-2011 9-3 2003-2007 interior has optical bus infotainment and cannot be upgraded or replaced without major hassle

@AutoAutopsy

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing, but the Aero was a V6 beginning in 2006

Great comparison! Currently own an 06 aero v6 and a 2004 95 aero. Was debating on which one to drive and which to give to my girlfriend. After driving the 93 for a few years, the 95 gives a meaner, more exciting feeling than my tuned 93. There's just something about it that gives it that spark. Both are absolutely amazing cars and for comfort I would go for 93 but for fun and power I'm going to have to go 95!

@AutoAutopsy

4 жыл бұрын

very interesting; most would say the opposite. The V6 definitely has a higher ceiling than the B235

Thumbs up for that blip of a pegged speedometer.

@AutoAutopsy

2 жыл бұрын

lol

I own a 2007 Saab 9-3 2.0T and a 2008 Saab 9-5 2.3T and as far as quality, the 9-5 is way better built than the 9-3. My vote is for the 9-5 Aero.

@AutoAutopsy

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing, but those cars should have near identical interiors

I have a 9-3 Aero 2.8 V6 convertable 2008 mod. true lots of plastic i must admit but wow what a car, i have it now for 4 years no major problem just the coolant res that broke cause the previous owner didn't bother to bring the car back to SAAB for the recall. I'm in Italy so had my share of FIAT, Alfa, Renault, Peugeot and BMW but must say my 9-3 is by far the best in all aspects

@AutoAutopsy

6 жыл бұрын

I agree with you!

500 on stock internals of a B235 is false. Anywhere after 300 CRANK you start risking it blowing up, starting with melting pistons. This is why the generic "stage 3" tunes consisting of exhaust (3in dp minimum), intake, 3.5bar fpr and optional intercooler was regarded as the "safest" to go before things start breaking. The B284 can handle modifications very well, infact it's gains more power through smaller modifications (vtuner st0 ups it to 330 hp 410ft lb all to the crank). I have an 03 9-5 aero manual and an 08 9-3 aero manual and I prefer my 9-3, although the 9-5 is much easier to work on given the engine isn't cramped in like the 2.8T V6.

@DeathWishPassion88

6 жыл бұрын

And the 03-06 had that ugly interior but the 07, year before the facelift, had received the newer updated interior. It's a step up from my 9-5 aero interior in my opinion, however I must admit the 9-5 aero seats are much better.

@Retiq

6 жыл бұрын

I was thinking false too when I heard stock internals lol

@Buffalobulltofta

6 жыл бұрын

Yes, max 300 crank. Wössner pistons is the answer, and after that a T5 head. The B207 and B283R can take more tune on stock internals.

@AutoAutopsy

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing, it's been corrected in the pinned comment.

@DeathWishPassion88

6 жыл бұрын

I still don't think 500 is "easily attainable" there's only a certain few that have pushed anywhere near that power, and everything's been touched on em (i.e. John Chag in the US & the Uhr's at Nordic in Sweden). Matt Daul also had a fast "viggen-afied" ng900 with a b235r iirc that didn't hit 500 crank. Plus you won't be getting far with the stock turbo and people don't realize how much fab work is needed to get a healthy running setup on a GT2871/3071 or HX35 that's commonly used.

I have and do prefer the 2005 aero 9-3 convertable. It gets 42 mpg highway. It's a dream to drive and the interior is still very stylish. Great information. Thanks for the post.

@AutoAutopsy

6 жыл бұрын

Nice!

2002 Saab 9-5 aero with a PCV update and Do88 hoses and intercooler. Been as reliable an old Toyota ever since.

@AutoAutopsy

4 жыл бұрын

Nice!

So hard to choose, I'd go with a 9-5 wagon if I could find a clean one

@AutoAutopsy

6 жыл бұрын

It's a tough choice!

I have two 9-3's, an '03 2.0t and an '06 2.8t. The v6 aero is a beast and my favorite, but a very rough & painful time changing those rear plugs and coils.

@AutoAutopsy

6 жыл бұрын

Yes! I have heard that is quiet a job...that job on a B207R is about as easy as it gets!

Saab Forever!!!

@AutoAutopsy

6 жыл бұрын

@Jonjs99

4 жыл бұрын

no, its dead

Had 03 95 linear wagon and now a 07 95 arc wagon. I only dislike the squeaky plastic on the doors interior on the 07. I agree that 03-05 saab 95s are the best models.

@AutoAutopsy

3 жыл бұрын

:)

uh fancy win i have a 9-5 Aero 2005 with navi prestige one :D with the 2,3L engine but the newer faceliftet 9-3 aero would be nice too

@AutoAutopsy

3 жыл бұрын

nice

Great presentation and comparo! I don't own a 9-5 Aero, but do own a 2008 9-5, Snow Silver Metallic. My car was fixed after a tree fell in front of us on a 2-lane Parkway. I elected to fix it because it was just front body parts, lights and a fender. During my decision-making on whether I would keep the car, I looked at a 2010 9-3 Aero Combi V6...no XWD. I loved the Combi. What a great car. Definitely more modern than the 9-5 Gen 1. Also had side curtain airbags, which the Gen 1 didn't have. I also liked the window controls on the door. I happen to love the look of the 06-09 front end. I understand that the Dame Edna headlight bezels are polarizing, but if you have a silver one, they blend-in and look great. The 9-5 Aero is a totally different ride than the 9-3 Aero...more of a cruiser than a carver. When I originally was shopping for my 9-5, I wanted the Aero. Then I drove it on Manhattan streets, which resemble the lunar surface. I instantly started shopping for a regular 9-5. That said, I recently put on new Sachs front struts, BIlstein B6 rear shocks, and new subframe bushings. Boy oh boy did that transform the handling and ride quality. The 2010 9-3 Aero V6 I drove was an absolute ball. That engine is a masterpiece...powerful, reliable, and pulls all day long. My SAAB-only mechanic loves that engine, and states that it is very reliable. If you put a 2008 9-5 Aero and a 2008 9-3 V6 Aero Combi in front of me, I would actually chose the 9-3 Combi. I love the look, utility and that engine. It's just a little more modern. Most of my driving is in Manhattan and highway. For my driving style, the 9-5 is the better choice because of its smooth, quiet ride. Both awesome cars and a great video.

@AutoAutopsy

6 жыл бұрын

Thank you for sharing! Sorry to hear about the car

@hoppysport2872

6 жыл бұрын

Auto Autopsy Thanks. Getting it back next week.

The only problem with the 9-5 235R is that it's too soft and needs strut brace and harder bushing. The fact that it is not possible to get 6 shifted is a problem when 9-5 red rpm at 165 mph. I just love them. P.s Nice Chanel ;-)

@AutoAutopsy

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks Lars :)

I have a 08 95 aero and a 03 93 ragtop. I love both car, however the 95 is the better highway car on long trips. I just got back from Colorado driving the mountains and the turbo was fantastic.

@AutoAutopsy

6 жыл бұрын

Wow, I'm jealous! Nice cars

95 based on 9000 but 93 was a whole new model in every way. I love 95 but I'd say 93 anyway, I like it better like I like 93 facelifts than 95 faceliftis. But 95 ng is different i like it lot!

@AutoAutopsy

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed!

I prefer both. The 2.8L, 9-3 Aero-X 🏁🏁🏁🎬👍

9-5 Aero is the Best I have one 9-5 Aero SportCombi blue color with black window on the back 2003 is awesome

@AutoAutopsy

6 жыл бұрын

Nice!

I have the 2004 9-5 aero, and i lovee it. Agree with you the front is sexyyy, just about to replace oil pressure sensor (pcv valve issue) using sae 0w-30 mobile 1, gonna remove the stage 2 tune though, want her to last longer

@AutoAutopsy

3 жыл бұрын

if its a tune from a reputable tuner, there's no reason to remove it; car should be able to handle that fine with no issues!

I'm potentially getting a 2007 9-5, idk if it will be a bad choice since i imagine it's difficult to get parts and servicing since they went out of business and they weren't the most popular car in new zealand. probably why it's the cheapest car on the lot :/ i just want something powerful and that looks nice, will get an ecu, fluid change and some nice new black rims

@AutoAutopsy

Ай бұрын

I’m not sure about New Zealand, but in the US, parts are still easy to get. There is likely a New Zealand Saab club on Facebook that you could join and get some better insight on parts availability

@ethanwasme4307

Ай бұрын

@@AutoAutopsy great idea 💡💡

I have a Saab aero 95 2005 2.3 liter turbo .love it so much best car ever made

@AutoAutopsy

4 жыл бұрын

:)

The 9-3 Aero isn't V6-only. It came with either a 210 HP/300 Nm 4cyl, or 230-280 HP/330-400 Nm V6.

@AutoAutopsy

5 жыл бұрын

I stated in the video that I’m only referring the V6 9-3 aero

Your last comment I am totally agree with you. That's why I bought model year. Lol

@AutoAutopsy

3 жыл бұрын

:)

9-5 for golf clubs. 9-3 for everything else

I have to agree with him, I'm even upgrading my 2002 9-5 aero to a 2004-05 aero front bumper. But I'm also eyeing a 2008 9-5. I did own a couple of 9-3 aeros - they just lack that something that makes you want to find excuses to go for a drive. Maybe too "corporate" feeling?

@AutoAutopsy

5 жыл бұрын

Not sure; since I made this, I changed my mind ;)

I had a new 9-3 V6. It was my 4th Saab and I hated it. The front end was too heavy, making it hard to throw into curves, and the loud exhaust was most annoying. Ive had a 2004 9-5 since 2008, and it's such a comfortable and practical wagon. I didn't realize how much until I recently drove a 2008 9-3 Sport-Combi 2.0 @ 210hp. I was a lot more fun to drive, but not as comfortable

@AutoAutopsy

3 жыл бұрын

loud exhaust? I assume it was modified. Also, i (and most) believe the 9-3's handle much better than the 9-5's

@roberthart9886

3 жыл бұрын

@@AutoAutopsy nope 100% stock. It had a boy racer type exhaust note that I found extremely annoying

Own a 05 9-5 Aero wagon. Agreed.

@AutoAutopsy

5 жыл бұрын

I have since changed my opinion ;)

The 2004 Saab 9-5 Aero and The 2008 Saab 9-3 Aero-X 🏁🏁🏁👍

9-5 because of its looks and how rare it is. 9-3 is actually very popular in comparison, still cool though.

@AutoAutopsy

6 жыл бұрын

True, but it's still not a common car by any means

I have owned and lived with a couple of them, 2006 9-3 B207, 2008 B283R, 2001, 2003 and 2007 B235R (All Sport Combis). It all comes down to taste and needs, but in my opinion the 9-5 is superior. The 9-3 is lighter, handles better in some conditions, actually can survive more map tune on stock internals (both 207R and 283R, the B235R is maximum 300bhp without piston replacement), feels a bit more modern and sleek, a bit cheaper to run. However, it has a couple of major flaws related to quality. Interior is a joke. Noise level on the freeway is catastrophic. Highly personal, but the seating position and visuality is strange. Clutches are weak. With Aero chassi it is somewhat nervous in handling, bouncy and unfocused. The 9-5 is a completely different beast regarding all these factors, it is a better built car. Interior is better pre -06 as well as sound isolation. Post -06 feels like a more modern car and the steering is a tad better. Much more planted high speed handling. Less torque steer. Regarding reliability it is pretty much the same thing. The B207 is probably the most reliable. B283R actually has a lot of timing chain related problems when it goes up in mileage. B235R can have more serious problems (pistons, oil consumption, chains, weaker gearbox etc), however a new sorted replacement engine over here is about 500 USD. When i get back in to a 9-5 Aero after owning and driving high end german rivals (3/5-series, A6, E-class) as well as my jaguar XJ's i truly think it is a better car. Not in details or quality, but it has something unique. It is truly solid, unlike the 9-3. Best years are probably 2004-2005 Aeros (with the upgraded front bumper) in terms of quality and looks

@AutoAutopsy

6 жыл бұрын

Thank you for sharing! I certainly agree

@Buffalobulltofta

6 жыл бұрын

I should add that i do love the 9-3, it is a really great car. The 9-5 just have some kind of truly unique thing going, and is also a great reminder of the old school Saabs in many ways.

@Buffalobulltofta

6 жыл бұрын

I am actually hunting for a good 2004-2005 9-5 for the winter right now, and it is almost impossible to find a sorted and well taken care of example, even over here in Sweden. Not one single car in all the classifieds is well kept or in acceptable mechanical condition. It is truly sad.

@22chachalaca

6 жыл бұрын

I've never heard of the B235R having issues with pistons, oil consumption, chains and weaker transmissions. Can you please elaborate? Everything I read points to solid engines with a few things going on them like Crank position sensor and DIC.

@Buffalobulltofta

6 жыл бұрын

Yes they are very solid engines if well sorted. However, these problems are fairly common, especially when above 100k. Chain tensioners stretch, ratteling chains when cold. Oil consumption of course on pre 2004 engines with the faulty PCV and oil sludge, on later models mostly related to worn piston rings and sludge oil sump. Cracked pistons very common on hard driven cars, and pretty much inescapable on tuned cars above 290hp if not changes to Wossner or B234 pistons. Cracked rod bearings are pretty common to. All of course for beeing a low friction design with lightweight parts. Bad linkage and syncros on manual boxes (automatics are very solid). Wonderful engines nonetheless.

Both great cars, but i prefer the 95 Aero. Its a turbo 4 cylinder, which is truly Saab, and the 95 feels more solid to drive in my experience. Currently own a 93 aero, as i wanted a change from a string of 3 95 aeros. But the 95 is on my radar when i sell the 93.

@AutoAutopsy

6 жыл бұрын

Fair point!

You know I was deciding between two cars recently as I was shopping for my first car. And I was lucky enough to be able to try both a 9-3 and 9-5 of the same year, 2005, and for me oddly enough I felt a lot more comfortable in the 9-3 than I did in the 9-5, in the 9-5 my feet kept having an issue when I was switching between gas and break which it didn't have with the 9-3. I all around just felt less comfortable with the 9-5 but I think that's just a personal preference then. But I am proud to say I'm happy 2005 9-3 ARC owner!

@AutoAutopsy

6 жыл бұрын

Awesome :)

The 9-5 feels so much more significant. The 9-3 is the cheap one you see everywhere. The 9-5 is the more exclusive one with very unique styling.

@AutoAutopsy

5 жыл бұрын

interesting...

Absolutlly 9-5 Saab

@AutoAutopsy

2 жыл бұрын

ehhhh

The Arc does not come with the B235R, but rather the B235E/L (E=170/185HP, L=220Hp).The R variant was ONLY used in the 9-5 AERO and the 9-3 Viggen. The B235E was used in pretty much all trims (As an option of course). The R variant came with a bigger turbo than the E (Mitsubishi TD04HL-15t replacing the Garrett GT1752S) and also slightly different exhaust valves. There was also a limited Troll R by Hirsch variant with 305HP using a Garrett TB28 turbo.

@AutoAutopsy

6 жыл бұрын

Yep, but I assumed everyone knew what I meant. It's nearly the same engine

2003 9-5 Aero for me too!!!

@AutoAutopsy

3 жыл бұрын

great car

For me i have a 9-5 step 4 biopower modified by PA at Maptun perfomance. So 9-5 all the way.

@AutoAutopsy

3 жыл бұрын

nice

I have 2006 Saab 9-5 vector Sportsedan

@AutoAutopsy

4 жыл бұрын

nice!

@saabwitha2.3turbo81

4 жыл бұрын

Auto Autopsy yeah but the engine is blown so i have to fix that. Engine is out of the car

I had the 900 turbo talladega, og 9-3 2.0t 1999 The 9-5 aero 9-3 aero in total i had 6 Saabs. The 9-5 is comfortable and u can drive easy 10 hours nonstop.

@AutoAutopsy

6 жыл бұрын

Nice!

@Wolfpack310

6 жыл бұрын

Auto Autopsy Here in Sweden u have 9-5 running 500-700 HP MY favorite engines are the b204 and b234 those old trionic 5 engines can make 500hp on stock internals. Many Saab 9-5 owners in Sweden builds with the old engine block b204/b234 and use the cylinderhead from the b205/b235 TRIONIC 7.

I have an 07 9-3 Aero S/C with the B207R engine and a facelift dash. This replaced my 06 9-5 Vector Sport Wagon. It took me a while to get used to the change in quality. The 9-5 oozed quality, the doors closed with a "thunk" and if you tapped a panel you could tell it was thicker than those on the 9-3. My 9-3 Aero is the best all round car ive ever owned and ive had RX7's, GTI's and a 944 at one point. I truly loved the 9-5 but rather than have one over the other i'd prefer to have both. Lol

@AutoAutopsy

5 жыл бұрын

Wow nice! If it's an 07, it should have the B284 (V6).

@AutoAutopsy

5 жыл бұрын

Unless you're in europe; might be different then

@SuperDougiedoo

5 жыл бұрын

Must be different in Europe. Most of the Aero's you come across have the B207R. The B284 was available but much rarer. I think the reason being is the B207R (in my opinion) is a better all round engine. Mine has no tune so just 210hp but i get 38 to 40 imp MPG. Perfect combination of performance and economy.

@SuperDougiedoo

5 жыл бұрын

I forgot to add, great channel!! Regular watcher.

I totally agree with your opinion on the best looking saab 👌

@AutoAutopsy

5 жыл бұрын

:)

9-5 Aero ! Allways:)

@AutoAutopsy

5 жыл бұрын

:)

I've driven a 2004 9-5 2.3 aero manual sedan for many years. I know drive a 2008 9-3 2.0 aero auto wagon. The old / big one was more planted, faster and more responsive. The new / smaller one is much nicer (inside n out) but slower (220km/h instead of 260) and less confident. Like it sits higher or something like that. The v6 would be really interesting I'm sure

@AutoAutopsy

4 жыл бұрын

its a lot of fun!

Defenetily the 9-5 not only because its bigger and sexier but it has the better quality interior.

@AutoAutopsy

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing!

Is it possible to uppgrade a 9-3 02 with the 9-3 2008 fascia/front?? If don't, Which year/ model is compatible to make that uppgrade? I drive a 2002 9-3 SE 2.0 :), but want an AERO!!!

@AutoAutopsy

5 жыл бұрын

It's on a completely different chassis. I'd just buy an 08+ 9-3 if you're that set on having that front end!

I fell for my saab 9-5 after driving & just getting to know more about it, Although there are 9-3 saabs that I would Love to have (TurboX)

@AutoAutopsy

6 жыл бұрын

I agree!