I’ve literally had the ghost s1 in my amazon cart for weeks because I couldnt find enough information on whether or not I could run it! I read up on eco mode, undervolting, literally everything haha. Once again saving the day 😎 the SFF community loves you!

@megaming7238

4 жыл бұрын

William Helena don’t get the ghost. I returned mine. That case is so overrated and hyped. I like the look but I don’t think it’s got enough airflow. Go with a Sliger SM or a ThorZone mjlonir instead.

@williamhelena7592

4 жыл бұрын

MEGaming where can I go to buy the ThorZone 😫

@wdbaudio

4 жыл бұрын

@@megaming7238 I agree here, I originally wanted the Ncase M1 but after seeing the state of the pre-ordering system, I went with a Sliger SM570 and I love it. Temps and acoustics are amazing! Running a 3900X liquid cooled

@KaesideIwuagwu

4 жыл бұрын

William Helena I'd get the NCase M1 instead of the Ghost S1. The reason why is because if you want to have decent cooling with the case, you'll need to get the the large top hat. That adds $50usd to the $279 base price. This also brings the size of the case close to the NCase M1. So you pay ~$330 for what the NCase M1 gives you for $200. And good luck finding the large top hat in the color that you want. Colors that aren't black are on eBay for $99. The sidearm t1, which I'm waiting on, comes with everything I need and it's going to be $200. The ghost is overpriced and overrated imo.

@muhammadzinc5228

4 жыл бұрын

lol all these misinformed comments. As an owner who had both of these cases, Ghost S1's quality is MUCH better than Ncase's. N case has a cheap pop off panels that feel cheap everytime you pop them off. ThorZone is incredibly overpriced and has limited cooling. Sliger is ok but considerably bigger. I'd go with Ghost S1

Thank you for this!!! I’ve been waiting for this!

i love the fact that your tests mention an ambient temperature,it's very important :)

Phenomenal temperature performance for what it is. hats off to AMD.

@thecuriousone9342

4 жыл бұрын

"Phenom"enal get it.??huh?? Fine I'll stop

@riceshard9614

4 жыл бұрын

@@thecuriousone9342 😂😂 Only the elders will understand

@alecgamer420

4 жыл бұрын

@@riceshard9614 og phenom quad cores hit different

@Arek_R.

4 жыл бұрын

@@riceshard9614 Ok boomer

@otterqueer

4 жыл бұрын

9900k inferno

I wanted to go SFF with my 3950x, but never knew which cooler to try out. Thanks for this testing :)

It's really nice that you mention the boost clock with the temperature. Some youtube channels doesn't include it which makes the video almost useless.

Yo very cool finds here. I am impressed with how well these modern chips keep themselves cool yet maintain close to stock clock speeds. Thank you for your work.

You are an absolute godsend for the SFF community. Literally everything I could ask for in a channel. Keep it up mate! Also, start making some merch and/or a patreon. I'd love to support more of this content!

@billybobhouse9559

4 жыл бұрын

What does sff stand for? I'm a curious noob.

@SilverTurtle89

4 жыл бұрын

@@billybobhouse9559 Small Form Factor computers, generally any case under 20 litres in volume.

You really fill the void on everything SFFPC! Awesome work mate, I always wondered about this!

Was very curious to see how the cryorig c7g would handle a ryzen 9. Now I know. Awesome! 👍

@atomkinder67

4 жыл бұрын

I'm running the original C7 on a 2400G in an InWin Chopan case, and replacing the stock fan with a 120mm slim dropped the temperatures by over 10°C and quieted it down at the same time. The cooler is nice for its size but replace the crappy fan immediately.

@WatDoino

4 жыл бұрын

I’m running a 3950x on a C7G with ASRock x570 ITX gaming and the temps are pretty high. I easily reach 95C. I blame the very restrictive motherboard layout. The vrm heatsink block airflow from all sides.

@KuraIthys

4 жыл бұрын

I was wondering about that. I have a C7 CU and it claims to have a TDP rating of 115 watts. So, I was wondering if this is true in any realistic sense at all (even if that is borderline) Sure enough, it does seem to be accurate. So given my intentions it's good to know that 1. This does work. 2. It is very borderline, so better options would be preferred. Still, that it works at all is a great start. If nothing else it shows I can proceed with my build if I'm careful, and should I need to beef up the cooling, I can always transfer the C7 to my old i5-750 that I currently run with a stock intel cooler. (though stock intel coolers from that era are a lot better than newer ones.)

@kingsleychan

4 жыл бұрын

Now if only I could find a Cu7 =/ sold out everywhere

This is awesome lol I’ve always wondered. Keep up the good work!

Thank you for testing so many low profile coolers. There is always a compromise between temperature and clock speed. This applies to graphic card as well.

This is literally the one thing I have spent weeks researching. Thank you so much

@hannessteffenhagen61

3 жыл бұрын

Why though? Do you really need a tiny case? If not, you’ve spent probably more of your life worrying about this than you ever would have just getting a decent mid/high tier air cooler like the Noctua DH-15 - it’s not like cooling is expensive, especially if we’re talking about expensive high end CPUs like this. When you’re spending over $700 on a CPU, what does it matter if you get a cooler for $30 or for $90? The more expensive cooler is going to run quieter and give you better thermals anyway, and even if you don’t care about that it’s unlikely your time is worth so little that you can spend weeks to maybe save $50 without it being a waste.

I love this channel so much, im pretty sure i'll go for my dream Node 202 build this year.

Was just in the process of getting a build list made this video has helped massively!

Apple: Laughs in 100c.

@optimumtech

4 жыл бұрын

A lot of Windows laptops too!

@Vilen30

4 жыл бұрын

Yeap, that's why SFF exists.

@WinterCharmVT

4 жыл бұрын

I wish Apple would switch to AMD. Looks like they’re going full ARM next year.

@slimstrait780

4 жыл бұрын

@@optimumtech Dell is a culprit for hitting the temp limit often.

@ondrejbrandejsky5592

4 жыл бұрын

@@optimumtech there is a difference between it downclocking to 900mhz or 2,5ghz tho

Great video as always, would have been nice to see a quick benchmark in an actual case though i can see why you wouldn't choose a particular case to all the benchmarks but it would it give a good idea of just how much difference there is between open bench and SFF case with optimal airflow with the same cooler.

i don't own a 3950x, but i somehow needed this sanity check

I’m so happy you did the open test bench so I can guesstimate my future case temps.

Great video Ali! I'm a huge fan of this kind of experimental cooler testing.

Nice comparison, I always enjoy your videos. Exactly what i wanted to know if 120mm aio can cool down this cpu, keep up the good work. Would be great to see a similar comparison with 3900X. Greetings from Slovakia...

I Love how these videos help well into the future. I am building a new rig. I have been wondering if a 5950x will be ok with a NH-U14S in a Be Quiet 500dx. This video covering none of the above and yet answered my question. Good times! Thanks OT.

@tomgillotti

3 жыл бұрын

Considering 5900X with a nh-l9a 😱

@GATOtyger

3 жыл бұрын

@@tomgillotti Did you finally test it? I'd love to see 5900x working with a low profile, but why not NH-L12S instead?

This is extremely helpful information. I'm glad to know my plans are doable, if borderline. But it's also useful to know that it is indeed a borderline solution, and that ideally I should figure out a better cooling solution at some point. It's tricky to combine SFF with that though, so... Well, I'll see how it goes. I'm pretty far off having the smallest case ever, but it's still quite restrictive...

Amazing content and quality, as always!

Great review, question gets asked a lot about what cooler is required for this CPU. I knew the L12S was better than the C7 but didn't realize it was 15C better, good to know.

Would have loved to see this in the Ghost S1 or equal build also, instead of open bench.

Running a 3950X in the Ncase M1 using the C14S Cooler. I found that its a bit insuffecient in cooling the processor at stock settings. But with a combination of capping PPT at 135 and setting a vcore offset (around .06) i was able to get even better than stock performance at times. Im not sure of all the software you're using to look at clock speeds and temps but i'll top out at 82-83C now with clocks at 4.06. r20 tests are around 9350. So it can be done with some minimal undervolting.

Newbie in SFF and I have learned so much. Thanks for the great work!

Great review. Some possible considerations for my new small build over the next month... thanks for posting

Curious to see you review an Intel NUC, especially in terms of gaming or video editing.

Excellent review as usual but I think a follow up video showing temps during gaming and regular use(watching videos, listening to music, web surfing) would be very useful as a lot of us don't do any encoding/rendering.

Thanks, this was an informative video. I don't currently have a SFF build, but I'm planning to give it a try. Currently I have a Ryzen 7 3800X overclocked to 4.5 GHz @ 1.375 volts in a Thermaltake Level 20 HT Snow Edition 4 case. I'm keeping it cool with an open loop containing two 360mm radiators. Temps after an hour of Prime95 stay within the upper 40's.

Thanks for this video!! I am not running a 3950x in my Dan A4, but a 3800x, which has the same power target as the 3950x, but wants to stuff all of that power into a single CCD. It was bought in the hopes of better binning (Narrator: Meh) I'm running an L9a with a fan-duct and with about 2500rpm after temps hit 75C. To keep this CPU from overheating right on the spot, I had to drastically lower PPT / TDC / EDC values in the BIOS, and the limiting factor is an EDC setting of 55A max current towards the cpu, which the Ryzen adhers to perfectly. Together with observed voltages of around 1.1V under all-core load the max wattage this cpu draws is at around 60-65w under load. This results in a Blender Benchmark temperature of around or just below 80C after 2 blender runs (about 28 minutes) with clock speeds of around 3800 to 3900mhz. Keep in mind that this thing is sitting in a cupboard, so its heavily airflow restricted anyway and I can expect much lower temperatures if I kept the system outside of it.

@ivanbrasla

4 жыл бұрын

was it really necessary to change any setting other than PPT? I'm genuinely curious

@MeteCanKarahasan

4 жыл бұрын

PPT is the wrong one to pick. EDC is better, it should be 10% lower than whatever PPT is at all times.

thankyou for this video and your channel! i need to make small powerful builds for my work and for family members bc nobody wants a huge pc on their desk and i probably couldn't do it without this channel

You should get yourself the best low profile(

@thecaptain2779

4 жыл бұрын

What about the stock cooltek lp53 fan? To loud? The coolers material is solid copper?

@manaspradhan8041

4 жыл бұрын

Yo I wanna know too.

This is somewhat of an answer to a question I've been asking myself 3900x and 120mm aio.

I dont understand why you have so "few" subscribers. I really enjoy your videos. Keep it up!

Absolutely love your channel man, thanks for another great video

Really interesting,and mirrors my experience, I have a Scythe big shuriken 2 cooling a 9700k in a Ghost s1, and a Asetek 945 on a 9700k in Dan A4, the air cooler is better than the 92mm AIO, and comparable to the Noctua L12s.

Very interesting! It would have been very helpful to know the real world performance impact of the lower CPU frequencies experienced on other coolers.

Got a Dark Rock Pro 4 on mine right now. Going to switch to custom loop. Got the CPU block, just need to plan out the tubings, fittings, pump and radiators.

This video sold me on subbing. Keep up the good work!

Thanks for the great video! I've been thinking about pairing the 3950X with the Dan A4 for some time, would you say the Alpenfohn Black Ridge and the Noctua L12s are comparable? (switching the Black Ridge fan to a Noctua 92mm)?

@WineLad

4 жыл бұрын

Check the alpenfohn compatability. I read it doesn't fit on my motherboard (aorus b450 itx gaming wifi... God that's a mouthful) not sure that it will be an issue for you but do have a look. The issue with my motherboard is the heatsink gets in the way.[edit: spelling]

When is that Ryzen 9 Pro 3900 going to be released!? I want to see what the 12 cores at 65w can do!

Running a 3750X cooled by a Kraken X62 280mm w/ two 140mm PWM push fans in a vented sides Sliger SM 580 mini-ITX. Have not had a cooling problem. Very intriguing re: the NH-L12S (had one on a 9900K w/ push and pull fans in a SilverStone Tech Gaming Slim RV03B mini-ITX but eventually went to the Sliger and water) and the 645LT. Good vid and info. Thank you!

I've been on the fence about getting one of the many different ITX cases you've reviewed, but due to your channel and everything that can be done with such a small form factor I'm making the switch from my large ATX case. Love the channel can't wait for more content!

Very useful and interesting video Optimum, i liked the results, can expect good thermals with 3700X or even the 3900X

@Will91289

4 жыл бұрын

yeah, I'm getting the new NZXT H1 and I'm going to put an R9-4900X (when it comes out) and have either an Nvidia RTX 3070/80 or AMD equivalent. i play a lot of simulation games, especially Space engineers and I'm gonna get the upcoming Starbase.

@ivanbrasla

4 жыл бұрын

why? Equal PPT settings will amount to equal heat output, so no difference in temps really. What you can expect is overall higher *clocks* at the same power output

Awesome video. You always touch base on unexpected ITX tech topics. As an ITX builder myself, I can’t express how much I appreciate your videos. Next step for you, aerodynamic engineering degree hahaha

Hi, really enjoying your videos. Could you consider doing a tutorial on overclocking with Ryzen Master? Thanks

@knekker1

4 жыл бұрын

Aren't there tutorials out there already explaining this?

@Mohdashmand

3 жыл бұрын

@@knekker1 kllkkk

Currently using a Noctua NH-U9S in the Ncase M1 (v6). It's the best Workstation I've ever had: No Pump noise, quite quiet and tiny in comparison to what I had before! (and due to non-liquid very easily transportable, even as carry-on) Thanks for all the reviews and convincing me to attempt to go for an ITX build (well mini-dtx technicaly, but SFF nonetheless!) :)

Which wifi antennas are those? I want to get some to replace that Asus triangle one.

Really cool experiment, I was going to cool a 3700x with a bunch of 30mm/40mm fans but now you really make me want to get a 3950x and see what temps that will reach

I would be interested in seeing a more detailed look at performance stability over time rather than averages. It doesn’t really matter if you only have to sacrifice a little performance for a smaller cooler if clock speeds are all over the place from one minute to the next. And this problem would only be compounded within the constraints of a

Awesome review! I am waiting to see the same for Ryzen 5000 series CPU.. I am "in" Node 202, currently with Ryzen 5 2400g and Noctua NH-L9a-AM4. Limited with the height of the CPU cooler I would like to upgrade to Ryzen 5000 but if the 5800x or 5900x cannot be effectively cooled with that tiny cooler.... I don't know... Still thinking.

I'm using a NZXT Kraken x52... This decision was based on your youtube review of the Raijintek Ophion Evo. :D

Why intake instead of exhaust way for the L12S ?

I would love to see how a 3950x performs in a fanless case like the streacom db4

It would have been interesting to see the wattage on all the different cooling solutions. I'm fairly sure it actually modulates to lower power when temps go up with some artificial cap. You said to find out how low you can go, what if you cool it with a potato?

I just received this CPU for my new system and decided to go with a 280 mm NZXT. I'm used to much cooler temps on my 5820k and Noctua U14s at around 42C at the high during renders, though, so we'll see how well my anxiety handles a solid 20 degree bump.

interesting video idea. gonna grab popcorn watching this :)

I’d honestly pay for some guides from you on CPU/GPU optimisation. I also think you’d make a terrific ‘welcome to PC gaming’ video where you just go through all the basic ways to optimise/balance your PC (fans, clocks and what have you). I’m new to PCs but have opted for a decent build - and could really benefit from this from someone such as yourself!

The ECO Mode in the Ryzen Master is interesting. And your result for using it in 3950X is excellent.👍

What about undervolting results I would love to see results of the nhl9a but when the cpu is optimised for it. What will the temps and clockspeeds be

I'm using an NH-D15 SE-AM4 on my Ryzen 5 1600 CPU, but these SFF builds really excite me. When I get to making an ITX build, Phanteks Enthoo EVOLV is probably where I'm going towards xD

Any issues with VRM temps? Most of the x570 ITX boards seem to have fairly over-built VRMs, but the 3950x is still a lot to feed!

9:00 I think it bears mention that the 12S will only fit in an S1 by bending the heat pipes.

Great work! Thanks for sharing this info.

I recently built a 3950x based system and use a 360mm Corsair AIO with a 6 fan push pull configuration on it. I haven’t played around with Ryzen Master software yet but did manage a stable all core over clock of 4.1 GHz at 1.32 volts. I did try to push it a bit further but ran into instability with my encoding and in blender, so dialed it back. This is all in a core p3 case I mounted on the wall as, so basically an open chassis. The system does absolutely everything I ask of it with ease and I’m always stunned how much power that little (talking about size) processor has. The encoding I did before would peg and lag my 1800x or 2700x processors, but the 3950x doesn’t even breathe hard. Love it.

Due to needing a high performance rig for the kind of work I do and wanting a SFF build, I went with the NH-L9a in a case that is similar to the DAN A4 (the ZS A4 v2). Paired with a 3900x, I'm seeing idle temps around 68 degrees celsius with it hitting 94 degrees celsius under extreme load. This is stock prior to undervolting and switching to ECO mode, which I will be doing. But these temps just seem unusually high to me. I'm new to SFF builds, so is this what I should expect in a case similar to the DAN A4, or did I stuff something up? I applied the thermal paste by spreading a thin layer over the full IHS to ensure good contact with the cooler. Since it is a serious pain to get the system back out of the ZS A4 v2, I really don't want to open it up, and redo the thermal application if I don't have to, so wanting to ask advice from people that have experience with similar sorts of builds.

Would the 3950X be able to handle the Big Shuriken Rev 3 and if so how would it compare to the Noctua L12S?

Got a question: How is the color accuracy and the screen real-estate (compared to a 21:9 ultrawide) of your Alienware monitor? Thinking of maybe buying an Alienware monitor myself, but I also do photoshop work so...

Man, had I know, would have opted for the Cryorig C7 (despite there being a shortage of it) for my 3900X and with the Velka 5 case (with delivery dates in May). I feel like I could have probably waited for it.

I installed an i7 9700k and a 2070s into an NR200P mtx case with a noctua nhl9i and the hardest part for the first few weeks was managing the thermals. For a while, I couldn't find a way to give enough airflow to the case to keep it below 89c. After some tuning and rebuilding it a few times I managed to get it down to 73c consistent.

Hello, would you be able to make a review of the CM masterAIR g200p? I want to know if it would be good enough to cool a 3700x in the Velka 3. Thank you!

I’m still torn on what to get for Ncase M1 with 3600x. I was looking at air cooling but do not prefer noctua brown fans lol

Great video, but next time please try the Cryorig C1. It has a TDP of 140W and a height of 74mm. I would love to see what the Silverstone SG13 with a SFX PSU and this CPU cooler and the 3950 would do in thermals.

Catalina Wallpaper on Windows 10. Love it!

Hello! Awesome work here! is there a similar video for i9 10900k ? EDIT: Or do these results already cover the i9 ? thanks a lot :)

Thanks for your review! Been wondering will my current 6 heat pipe 2x120mm heatsink will be enough for r9 3950x :) currently using r5 3600. Thank u , am now sure it will do just fine

@TTks124

4 жыл бұрын

Not all heatpipes are creating equal and not all coolers with same heatpipes are created equal. Gelid phantom has more heatpipes than the nh d15 or any other top cooler, but it performs on the level of coolers with half the heatpipes it has. Also air coolers will punish you more than AiOs if your configuration of case+fans it's poorly managed. On the other hand, if everything it's in the right spot, it can be even better than the best AiO. I'm suscribed to optimum tech, but sometimes he pulls out some stupid ass affirmations.

Hi, would you still recommend the alpenfohn black ridge? Planning on using a B450 itx board, and should be able to fit the extra fan on top, but am having lots of trouble finding reviews other than yours. I have found that depending on the version, it can have compatibility issues with AM4 boards.

I'm running it on a corsair H80i, so far it works really well, however 2 cores consistently clock only at 3ghz in a blender render (Ryzen master stress test get's them to 4), even though thermals should allow for more. any ideas why?

Running a 3900x in a Ghost S1. Started with a L12 with slim 120mm fan. It did run well, but the fan was constantly at 100%. Now using a X52. Runs cooler and more consistent noise, but still quite loud. Liquid temp is also very high ~45°C during loads.

Thanks for this video, mate. I've been eyeing the 3950x for a little while and I was mildly curious whether my NH-L12S would cope in my NCase M1.

@Phanbot01

4 жыл бұрын

It will fit.

@Rynaux

4 жыл бұрын

Use the C14S.

Hey mate I have a 645LT and it’s leaking from one of joints How has yours held up ? Waiting to hear back from warranty

It is even today very rare to see anyone testing thermals with ANY AMD build, and for that you have my thanks. I specially appreciate the fact that you have a room temperature indicator. I've gone through MANY very lengthy discussions with people who in spite of claimed qualifications don't seem to understand that their 70ºC temp with a budget cooler wasn't the end all be all with their 15ºC temp of their room (especially considering that with every 10ºC increase there seems to be an approximate 10% increase in inefficiency so a 35ºC room temp -troooooopics- would just by it's own generate 20% more heat under the same circumstances and have less headroom because the 'cooling' air is hotter to begin with) .

What do you think of the Thermaltake Engine 17 and 27?

A new low profile cpu cooler got released recently, Cooler Masters G200P. Are you planning on doing a review for it?

Sorry if it's been asked before, but how do you log your hardware sensor data to be able to graph it? Great video's thank you.

Don't forget, temps in a case could be very different depending on airflow etc. In a Steck my 3.3GHz R5 3600 @0.97V vcore and 0.9V SOC is at 50C doing browsing and watching videos, with a Wraith Stealth. Prime95 SmallFFT max temp around 71C, excited to see what difference NH-L9a brings, even though there's maybe just a very small difference.

Great video, very informative.

In another video you said the Black Ridge wouldn’t be able to cool the 3950x but seeing how the L12S can it seems like it’ll handle it fine with some fan changes

very good video, thank you :) I am actually thinking of putting the 3950x in my Dan A4. Currently i am running a core i7 6700k which, the way it is configured, draws around 85W at prime95 load. thats around 90°c hottest core at 25° ambient. cooler is a Dynatron K129 with a noctua 92mm fan. keeping in mind the 3950x has a soldered heatspreader, and thus should be easier to cool at the same power draw, i think it should work quite fine at around 95W power target with the same cooler. any opinions?

@ivanbrasla

4 жыл бұрын

Well, the 3950x is probably the most efficient cpu in the market right now, at least when speaking of consumer hardware. If you don't like it in your setup, you have a problem with your case/cooler, not the cpu. It would be wise to buy only the cores that you need, as lower core amounts will likely run at higher clocks for the same ppt

After pondering for months about building a 3950x mitx I decided to go with an Yuel Beast and an NH15. That's my cooling worries gone.

Hi Optimum Tech, I have an off the track question. I am looking for the smallest board available with two pci-e slots - one for gpu and the other for a sound card. Use of a micro atx board is not allowing me to go below a certain size of cabinet. I am sorry if I have asked a wrong question. Thank you.

I have a 3950x and I'm cooling it with a deepcool assassin 3, with the stock fans replaced for corsair ml140s.... little noisy due to the high volume of air being moved by corsair fans but solid performance. It's a bit bulky on the mini itx board I have, and it looks massive in my phanteks enthoo evolv itx

I've been kind of curious how hot the thing'll run with air cooling and surprisingly decent. That's a 25 minute blender render which is rather CPU intensive meant to blast the damn thing lookin' at 70ish degrees on those small coolers, it's lookin' pretty good in terms of just using the thing for gaming and streaming. Less intensive processing in comparison.

Arctic Liquid Freezer II - 280mm for my 3950X in my Lancool II case. Sits around 30C at idle. I just ran a heaven benchmark. Highest core at 4.7Ghz and average around 4.4Ghz. Highest temp is 57C.

Considering the noctua 120mm fan can cool a beast like 3950X,will my snowman white 6heatpipe cooler be able to do the same tho?Since it's a 120mm fan aswell and priced around $12 in my country

If I'm not planning on OC my Ryzen 9 3900X what CPU cooler would you recommend? Would the Corsair H55 be enough?

Been thinking about a 3900x in an Evolv Shift Air. Can I assume that the thermals should be similar with the coolers tested since the Air version of the Shift with its mesh panels should perform like an open air test bench set up?