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Great job as always with the video! While it's been said before in the comments, the movement is the 15-jewel 2602 that was shared between Podeba (Victory) and ZIM (Maslennikov Plant, or Zavod Imeni Maslennikova). However, the 2602 also holds the distinction of being the longest-produced Soviet watch caliber. It was made continuously from 1950 to the mid 2000s in the millions. Pobeda abandoned the 2602 sometime in the 1990s whereas ZIM produced it until their dissolution on June 30th, 2006. I have on a mid-1970s ZIM 2602 dress watch as I type this, and I find that the ZIMs are better finished in general than their Pobeda stablemates. It has AU10 gold plating and the movement even has decorative milling, which is very rare for a Soviet watch. It would be interesting for you to compare a ZIM with the Pobeda, as they are no more expensive or scarce on the old Fleabay.

Thanks for doing a 'real' watch repair. It's great watching the professionals but you are obviously more a keen hobbiest and I learned more watching this video than many others.

@MyRetroWatches

3 жыл бұрын

Wow, thanks! your right I am just an obsessed hobbyist and film as I go mistakes an all. Glad you have learnt some tips.

I taught myself watchmaking on a couple of Soviet SLAVAS - a 2427 auto, and a 2428 manual. Very robust and tough design with twin springs, but elegant or pretty they are not. Both are NOS, and seem as though they were put together by people who wished they were anywhere else. Yep it's me - the guy who keeps posting SLAVAS in the fb group.

Hi Mike. This is my birthday weekend and I’m sitting back this evening with glass of wine, watching you sort this watch out. Brilliant.

Great video. Among the first watches I practiced on was this model. It was very difficult for me to put everything together as it was before. For now, I'm 15 Pobeda. Thank you, and keep recording another Russian watch.

Its a Zim movement 2602, common between Zim and Pobeda. Soviet watch branding is very complex, Pobeda was Stalin's "pet" and like Vostok/Raketa is still original having survived the collapse. I would really recommend you get one from each brand just for comparison, the almost bulletproof Vostok to the complex twin mainspring Slava, the Poljot/Sekonda 3133 chronographs are incredibly cool and Sekonda was a brand invented for us British because we were not going to buy Zim or Slava any lifetime soon. Pulsar collaborated too with Belarusian Elektronika to produce the early red LED watches that we all remember, Elektronika were pretty big in the digital watch world and many were rebranded for the west. Sekonda, sounding bohemian a bit was born and there were British people who would swear Sekonda was British made. Cornavin was the American version of Sekonda although Poljot did some stuff for Jean Calcot with the blood red "fish eye" just about the most cool looking piece going.

@carloscarvalhido2424

3 жыл бұрын

I believe Poljot was also Cardinal in Canada :)

@AhuCJ

3 жыл бұрын

Wow nice comment

@maxprivus

3 жыл бұрын

speak of the devil - kzread.info/dash/bejne/rJ6Jo9yPhsvSgqw.html - nice to see the 3133 getting some recognition in its afterlife. If Mike is accepting recommendations, the 3017 is a worthy movement with lots of history. It would have to be in a Strela of course - then you could even do a comparison with the later 3133 Strela's to highlight the different chrono designs.

@lafaina79

3 жыл бұрын

That's really interesting, so what would be the more "higher end" brand movement?

@jakekaywell5972

3 жыл бұрын

@@lafaina79 Poljot (meaning "flight") is often considered the absolute best marque the Soviet Union had to offer. The brand had its earliest beginnings in the First Moscow Watch Factory, created under the orders of Stalin in 1930 following the sale of the American and defunct Dueber-Hampden Watch Co. The "golden age" of Soviet watchmaking is generally considered to be the 1950s-1980s, so Poljot would feature heavily there.

I enjoyed the Russian musical interludes at the cleaning portion and at the end. Keep up the great work.

@MyRetroWatches

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you. Pleased a few of you noticed my Russian inspired music

С большим удовольствием смотрю канал. Успехов Вам! Волга, Самара, Михаил.

@MyRetroWatches

Жыл бұрын

thank you.

Great job on this small watch. I bought two 1954 Pobeda's for 30€ about a year ago, one in perfect condition, the other one was running quite fast. Took it to watchmaker for repair, he did it for another 20€. Both are in great condition, I polished acrylic crystals and use them now as daily beaters - literally. Construction works, electrics, woodworking... they are great daily watches as you wont even notice them on your wrist (32 and 33 mm cases.) I highly recommend anyone who wants to get into mechanical watches to start with something like that - they are cheap, at least in Central Europe you can get them repaired in every watch/jewelry store and you can later move on to something more expensive.

Gotta say thats actually a beautiful timepiece.

I've recently started into the hobby of watchmaking/repair and a Raketa 2609 was my first repair, after that two Pobeda 2602s and now a Poljot 2614.2H. Lovely video, for the price on eBay, you really can't beat Russian watches for learning pieces. Some of them are quite lovely watches when they're given a little love.

Every time you mentioned finding wet oil and gunk during disassembly I thought of the classic Timex solution of dropping the whole thing in some petrol 😱 Maybe I should give it a go; now where did I leave my hammer...🤔

@MyRetroWatches

Жыл бұрын

Haha I did a video on servicing a basic timex

I only have two Pobeda's in my collection, one a green tiger's eye UFO beastie, the other a rare 1950's national science award one on an exquisite tooled cuff band that someone won as first prize for coming top in a Soviet league of science students. The history just on that is quite amazing, watch works too albeit for 15 mins as the mainspring is gummed up but its so fragile I have just leather fed the strap, cleaned the exterior and put it away in a cool display box. I have attained well past my 100 in personal collection and have started work on the video showcasing them in batches e.g. Seiko's, Soviets, antiques etc etc

@OffGridInvestor

2 жыл бұрын

I got a red UFO coming. Hard to get a UFO that isn't worn back to bare brass on the back.

Excellent tutorial video as far as I am concerned. Thank you very much for putting so much time into this video. Very helpful.

Thank for all, great video 👌

I really like the looks of this watch, it cleaned up nicely. 😊

Great video with something a bit different . As always the "warts & all" presentation is a winner, any mistakes not edited out & its good to feel that Michael is still learning ,along with the rest of us. Thanks again.

I have my grand grand father watch witch is a zim with the same movement and case. Will be bringing it to my jeweler to have a full service of the movement and case refinishing to return it to an as new condition. Will look great in a watch ox with my Swiss pieces. Mine still runs when wound so that is a good thing.

I'm a new subscriber after watching My Mate Vince and although I'm ashamed to admit it, I have an eBay cheap £11 watch which is quartz and amazingly, it keeps time with the atomic clock on my wall . Now I'm hooked on wind-up watches. I just love the ingenuity of the mechanics and might give it a go! Great few videos I've seen so far and thank you! Ian

@MyRetroWatches

Жыл бұрын

Any quartz watch no matter how cheap will keep amazing time. most will be more accurate than any mechanical watch despite the price. Read up on the "quartz crisis" when quartz watches came out it ruined the mechanical watch industry in Switzerland.

Хорошие часы времён СССР. Простые в применении и практичны. Вам удачи.

@jeffp565

3 жыл бұрын

Translation for English speakers: "A good watch from the times of the USSR. Easy to use and practical. Good luck to you. "

Thanks for advice Mike. 👍

Another interesting job! Thank you so much!

I'm not positive but I think that plexi is afflicted with what's called 'crazing'. Good vid. Thanks.

@MyRetroWatches

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you.

@maxprivus

3 жыл бұрын

that's right, specifically 'stress crazing' - there's likely some bias in the case tension on the crystal that has imposed tensile strain across that region of the crystal. That can result in fine cracks perpendicular to the stress which accumulate over time - flexing from temperature and pressure changes are primary contributors

Nice watch for 5 pounds! Thanks for showing us this!

Cool Watch and great explanation

Hi. I'm a fan of soviet watches so I'm very glad you decided to service one. I hope it won't be the last... :)

So glad to see this in my recommended feed today... I have this same watch (but with a white face - same case and movement), and mine needs a service. I didn't even know what the movement was called because I didn't see any markings when I first opened the case. So glad I saw this today!

@MyRetroWatches

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching.

Mr.Mike ia a wonderful and the Greatest watchmaker.Any challenging watches will obey him.

Just watched again and still learned something!! Love the vids here in the U.S.

Here a tip for you. When arranging the wheels in the jewels place the screws that holds the bridge in place but screw it just a little so that the bridge doesn't lift that much and doesn't moves sideways. Try this and you will see what I mean. Don't drop this watch because it doesn't have a anti sock system on the balance

@MyRetroWatches

3 жыл бұрын

I don’t really do that , done it before on Accutrons and if you are not careful you can break a pinion . Thank for the tip though

@skipstalforce

3 жыл бұрын

Can confirm, I dropped mine and it stopped. Gave it a couple taps with my finger and lucky it started again.

Thanks for sharing! Loved your music selection during cleaning.

Apologies for some of the sound. I am trying a new Mic and its not always been good at sound capture.

@MirceaD28

3 жыл бұрын

Good video. Back in the day when these watches where plenty in my country (Romania) they where very cheap. If you wanted a watch and did't have to much money this was the one. This is the base model in terms of the caliber. From this one there are 3 (i believe ) version: Raketa base Pobeda, Pobeda itself, and Slava based Pobeda. The Raketa version has a jewel on the 4th wheel in the bridge. There is one important thing you have to check on this one . Since there is no jewel on the 4th wheel you have to check for wear in the base plate and on the bridge. If there is, you can fix it using the special punch to reform the hole and use the reamer after. The same goes for the mainspring hub on the main plate and bridge. Please do a Slava 2427 movement repair

I really enjoy your videos

Pobedas are pretty solid, simple but solid. I've got one with the same movement and it keeps time quite well. Currently trying to get one with a central second running. Will use this video as a guide, since they are pretty similar. If I may recommend you something in the same flavour: Raketa watches. These are really good watches and are probably my favourite soviet brand.

I always enjoy watching your watch videos, I like tinkering with them also, probably the most epic thing I've done to a watch was an old Seiko that someone had gotten into trying to calibrate it with a slip to bend the balance wheel spring, I actually successfully straightened it out and it's now still keeping exceptional time. I'm presently wearing a Vostok Amphibia I bought about 15+ years ago, I put a different band on it which I really like plus replaced another crystal on it 2 days ago, it's beautiful again only gaining about 5 seconds a day. I've recently been catching up watching your videos and another guy from Australia's videos as well.

@MyRetroWatches

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for tuning in. this hobby is a good place to loose all your day to day stresses!

It's ZIM 2602 but there is another version with shock protection I think 2603, used also by Raketa and Vostok. Nice video :)

@MyRetroWatches

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks

Fantastic video, thank you. Happy New year. 🍻

You helped me a lot. I have 6 of these, the case is aluminium, easy to polish. But I think they are older than yours, they are "Geneva finish" on the machine. All my colleagues when they where 14, received from parents a Pobeda. I hated Pobeda an wanted a OREX. To be 14 without a Pobeda, it was like today without a Iphone.

Nicely done. Seems like this particular movement is temperamental but you got it to within 1 min per day.

Thanks again for letting us look over your shoulder. Folks may go on about the Omega Speedmaster being "The Iconic Spacewatch", but it was one of these humble Pobeda (pronounced "Puhb-YAY-dah") that was first in space, with Yuri Gagarin.

Absolutely love the timing clock for the cleaners,makes me laugh every time it goes off,oh & a worthy job as well.

good work in relation to the clock

Very cool video. Your skill and patience is evident. I couldn’t put that back together for a Billion Dollars. 😎✌️

@MyRetroWatches

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you Sir!

Superb. I have two vintage Pobeda Kama that I'm going to get into as an improver as I invest in more tools and kit. I have a couple of Vostok Amphibia too but they keep great time just now. I'd really love to see some of the off camera fiddling bits because i feel that's where I'd be too! Cheers and off to read some of your tool recommendations!

Perfect cleaning music.

Interesting.

I love my Horotec levers. All I ever use.

You Sir, are a star :) I've now invested in a timegrapher so have the last tool I needed to actually start stripping and servicing movements and I have stacked tubs of movements just waiting for a chance to shine again :) I've been battling a terribly magnetised Poljot Mockba 80 from Israel, its taken several good zaps to get it to a point where its not adding an hour in half an hour, you would like Poljot movements as they were pretty well done. Did you catch my grail of grails find video? A brand new, never worn Sekonda branded 1970's "tank" super heavy automatic watch in original box... £14 I kid you not, then yesterday an Aeromatic full chrono with rotary slide rule dropped as well into my hands... the gods of ebay are being kind right now :D :D :D

This is a very good, very enjoyable vid. It’s been good. You have a new sub. Thank you

@MyRetroWatches

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for your subscription

Great little watch. I like the idea of a £5 watch. Nothing to lose and everything to gain on a practical everyday watch with reasonable looks! Must look out for one!

Really enjoyed watching this. Lol was just typing ?ostrich band just as you said faux ostrich band, it suits the watch. Look forward to the next video.⌚👍

@MyRetroWatches

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Jeni. It’s a leather scrap masquerading as ostrich . You can get ostrich bands and they are nice but expensive. Same with stingray! They are gorgeous straps but £50 upwards

Yes победа stands for victory Very interesting watch...

Great video I believe the lift angle should be 42 try resetting the perimeters on the timegrapher and see if some of the background noise cleans up

@MyRetroWatches

3 жыл бұрын

That’s a good tip. I will try that later . Thank you

I realy love the Smith timer you have by the cleaning machine!

@Orwic1

3 жыл бұрын

Smit Machinale Seeing that timer reminded me of working in science labs many years ago - we used to use them for timing experiments / procedures. Solid, reliable, robust machines (and actually easier to use than the modern push button electronic timers used now).

@MyRetroWatches

3 жыл бұрын

I bought it at a watch fair a while ago. The owner actually recognised me from this channel. Had no idea what I’d use it for but just liked the look. It’s now a key piece to my cleaning regime

@smitmachinale8281

3 жыл бұрын

@@MyRetroWatches Mike, that is a great find.

@Orwic1

3 жыл бұрын

My Retro Watches i still have an old Junghans timer, with luminous hands that goes up to one hour. Made for photography darkrooms. In a previous life I spent many hours in darkrooms with the sound of that loud ticking. Now reborn as an occasional kitchen timer!

Excellent vid I too enjoy working on soviet watches, makes a change from swiss/Japanese.

Интересное видео.

The word for the acrylic cracking is crazed.

Yes, it is despised ... the watchmaking industry may not have the sophistication of the Swiss and Japanese but they have managed through the years to achieve very acceptable watches with capabilities for day to day that are surprising for the technical solutions they have achieved over time ... a great example is that of the Vostok and Raqueta brand which are highly appreciated for their durability and robustness ... in addition to the price ... they offer robustness, simplicity and countless models. improved designs and their distribution within the reach of several markets ... even quartz models, here if I'm not clear what caliber they have and their quality.

You got far from the best model of Russian watches. It was a cheap mass watch. But you have dealt with it. I'm glad to like your video.

@MyRetroWatches

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you. I have done more work on it to make it run better. Now its to within +/- 10 seconds a day. Not bad for an old mass produced watch. Thanks for watching.

Привет из России :). Hello from Russia, where you don't wind your watch, but your watch winds you :).

@MyRetroWatches

3 жыл бұрын

haha. thank you sir!

A pro tip for fitting the train bridge... Already screw the bridge in till you feel the slightest resistance then turn the gear closest to the barrel and almost everytime the other pivots will find their way into the jewels... Also I use my bare eyes for most of a watch... I use a x15 loupe for HS manipulation...

@MyRetroWatches

3 жыл бұрын

Ive never been a fan of placing the screws before the pinions are located. I have had first hand experience of breaking a wheel through thinking it was in place. You are lucky to use your eyes, as you know i only have one good one and that is failing now too. I am now using a loupe when i am not filming (filming I can only use a visor as the watch is almost at arms length away.) liking a loupe!

@Inkreptile

3 жыл бұрын

@@MyRetroWatches yeah I know you have eye problems 😢 It's really unfortunate and I'm really blessed to still have good eyes after all they've been trough... Staring at welding sticks mainly.............. Sparks from a short...

I remember when the iron curtain fell. I got a russian watch that had Murmansk on the dial. I traded it but now, I wonder what it was.This was before i new anything about watches.

That really is a nice font.

hello nice video like!

Russian is very interesting always !!!

You need to inspect balance staff jewels on cracks, find out is it some endshake in balance staff, inspect balance staff pivots and polish them on some 12.000+ grit oilstone (just a few passes should be enough). Also, try to inspect hairspring in all positions. It easily can touch balance wheel in "dial down" position.

@MyRetroWatches

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you. I dont really have the confidence to polish the balance staff as that surely would mean removing it from the balance which I have not learnt to do yet. I might take a closer look at the hairspring to see if its touching on dial up. The video was long enough without any fault finding . Thank you for your advise.

Very nice job, I like the font on that a whole lot, did you end up replacing the crystal or did you polish it up somehow?

@MyRetroWatches

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you. Crystal was replaced. Fortunately I bought a big job lot of crystals and I just so happened to have this size.

This is typical 2602 movement. This is Lip french movement. Early production named Pobeda was started on 1 Moscow watch factory(later Poljot) by arrangement Stalin after WWII. First years watches included Geneva waves and marks letters Pobeda at a movement. Watches were produced at 1 Moscow watch factory(later Poljot(Flight), 2 Moscow watch factory Slava(Glory), Petrodvorets factory (later Raketa (Rocket) near St. Peterburg(Leningrad), Chistopol factory (later Wostok), ZIM factory in Samara.

Hi Mike, as always great video. Nice looking watch. What are the dimensions?

I gave the exact same watch to my father in law. It had a black leather strap.

Those prestos hand remover can be a pain sometimes... just damaged a dial as well... a very expensive one...

Mate where did you score that timer clock for your parts washer?? I could use one of those & great job by the way. That Russian thing looked a bit tricky & it was interesting to see how much they did the same as everyone else but with their little own additions. keep working on those unusual ones, their the most interesting

Did you check the end-shake on the balance? To much could mean there is wear and friction on the parts, especially dial up...

That's not Russian watch. That's Soviet watch. You are lucky to have it.

Interesting, I have one of these Pobeda watches. Same case and numerals as this, but with a red dial and different hands. Seeing the tiny seconds hand moving faster than on a quartz watch was the most interesting thing in the world to me when I first got it.

@MyRetroWatches

3 жыл бұрын

Red one. Bet that looks great. Thanks for watching

The Raketa 2609ha 19 jewel movements are superior to the cheap Pobeda 15 jewel movement. Soviet dials are very interesting and different.

Nice colour dial. Don't fret overly about the readings. Many Russian watches have terrible positional variation even from new.

@MyRetroWatches

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks pal . I’ve now read to try the lift angle on 42 as I’m way off at 52 . Should give me better readings

@spidiq8

3 жыл бұрын

@@MyRetroWatches Yes that's another downside to Russian watches. Finding lift angle info online is virtually impossible.

This watch is amazing.. that dial! ! Any chance of sorting out the case at some point Michael?

@MyRetroWatches

3 жыл бұрын

case would need replating. I have actually looked at some "home" kits so who knows I may revisit one day.

@JAY61ish

3 жыл бұрын

@@MyRetroWatches That would be brill..

@leboncanard1666

3 жыл бұрын

New ones come up on EBay every now and then.

Soviet movements coded as following: first two digits is caliber diameter in mm, second two digits represents movement type - for instance 02 is a separate second hand w/o shock absorbtions for ballance, 09 is central second hand and shockproof ballance etc. But stuppied and crazy thing is that 2209 from Raketa is completely different from 2209 Wostok etc. So, number represents only the size and principe of caliber design. To differ movements you needs combine manufacture name and caliber numeric type.

Hi Mike, which method is most common with crystals from 60s 70s. Friction, glue or other?. Or are they just varied, just starting to get into crystal replacement. Any advice would help, even from any of my fellow followers. 👍

@MyRetroWatches

3 жыл бұрын

Adrian Birkett hi pal, I’ve seen more tension ring, mainly in Seiko as thats what i do allot. The ones that just seem to push in or held in by a bezel are less common

Letters on the movement: "SU" (Soviet Union) and ЗИМ ("zavod imeni maslennikova" - the factory in the name of Maslennikov"). ZIM factory established on 1911 and was closed on 2006.

@MyRetroWatches

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you.

Great Russian Watch cleaning sound track! Who is it?

@MyRetroWatches

3 жыл бұрын

not sure to be honest I use the KZread audio library for my music as in there its all royalty free.I just searched Russian and this one was the best sounding option to go with.