6:30 Kan is forever going to talk about adding a Y to the lumber camp and never do it despite how short it'd be

@firenutter1798

2 жыл бұрын

ikr same with the alternet route

@Goose-it

2 жыл бұрын

Lol

@IntrepidRacer13

2 жыл бұрын

@@firenutter1798 If he ever does get to the alternate route though I think all he needs to do is start the gradient from the beginning the bridge and try to straightline through that notch as much as possible. Those trains are probably losing a lot of energy going through all those tight switchbacks, and a longer run at a smaller incline could remove that 4% section altogether.

BTW a steam engine with 1 cylinder is equal to 4 cylinders of what a 4-stroke would be. This is because each stroke is a power stroke. And there are no dead spots if you have 2 cylinders because when the one piston is a TDS(Top dead center) or at BDS(Bottom dead center) where the one piston can't produce any movement, the other one fills those gaps. And a V formation offsets them perfectly, at 90 degrees.

@FoXy-gr2hb

2 жыл бұрын

A stroke is just up or down tho, not both. So I think for every 2 strokes you have 1 power stroke. Like modern gasoline 2 stroke engines

@ericmckinney1829

2 жыл бұрын

@@FoXy-gr2hb that’s where it gets interesting. Some steam piston made power on both in and out strokes using a reversing valve. Steam goes in one side of the cylinder until the piston hits top dead center. Then the valve switches and pushes steam into the other side of the cylinder pushing the piston the other way. The first steam engines had the steam directed buy the operator and was a lever that they flicked back and forth. Also later engines had a manual reversing valve that was used until there was a enough momentum to run itself. It is a really cool system but that’s also why steam powered stuff needed constant maintenance. The steam would clean all the grease out of the bearings and seals. That’s why at every stop they would have someone at each piston performing a rebuild as fast as possible.

@callumhardy5098

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, that’s why when you see single cylinder steam engines (usually traction engines) they can get stuck in the dead spot and you need to give it a little reverse in order to get it going to then go forward.

@i_eat_dirt2

2 жыл бұрын

Is that why thay are not 120 degrees out of fase so there isn’t a ded zone where ther train is not making any power

@nathanielhill8156

Жыл бұрын

@@FoXy-gr2hb here's why steam is cool, trains are a 1 stroke engine. Steam pistons are more similar to hydraulic cylinders than gasoline pistons. Look up animated steam valve gear for a better explanation than anything you can read in the comments section.

Kan, just a warning: with the new physics update the odds are some of your mountain lines are probably going to be not runnable with the length of trains you are currently using. Took us 4 engines (3 moguls and a 70) to pull (and push) 22 loaded cars (half rails and half beams) with a caboose up to the coal mine, and that line has a max grade of 3.5, most of the time 2.5 and it was still a treacherous run.

2 жыл бұрын

On the flipside - the Climax has stupid tractive effort now (13000+) and is super fast, could just use that.

@katerinakittycat3849

2 жыл бұрын

For the mountains the climax will be the engine of choice. The Heisler isn't bad but the climax is better

@mr1ybbob3214

2 жыл бұрын

@ so just 2 will work great

@chemieingenieur6536

2 жыл бұрын

Oh Boy... good to know.... Some friends are making fun on me for building long tracks with less acceleration, 2% max, mostly 1,5%. A few short parts have more, but they are mostly designed for downhill trains.

@kleetus92

2 жыл бұрын

So fun fact, in real life logging locomotives (Shay, Heisler, Climax) can handle up to 15% grade... They are beasts.

Was wondering how I fell asleep a little over halfway, went back to watch again, "let's just sit back and enjoy." So that's where you got me, a nice relaxing train ride.

Regarding the whole situation around the 9:00 mark, 4 cylinder steam locomotives do exist. The most obvious examples are the large articulated locomotives such as the Union Pacific 3800/3900, and 4000 classes (the Big Boys and the Challengers ex 3985) and some of the 2-8-8-2 and 2-8-8-4 Mallet steam locomotives of the eastern seaboard railroads. They’re all very well known for their high tractive effort, and ridiculous amounts of power. I know one “Big Boy” dynoed back in the day around 7000HP and over 130,000+lbs of tractive effort, but the way the Big Boys for example did it was they provided the same amount of fresh steam to all cylinders at a time. Some earlier models of articulated locomotives (and the Mallets) did use the same steam twice in both sets of cylinders, but at different pressures between the two sets of cylinders. They mainly fell out of favor due to their slow speeds and their tendency to pound the rails into oblivion with their out of sync piston strokes, despite the Mallets providing sterling service to all of those who operated them, but track maintenance was a concern with those types around.

@legdig

2 жыл бұрын

There's also compound engines which exhaust steam from high pressure cylinders into a low pressure cylinder for extra power, sometimes this can even be disabled to make them back into a "simple"

@mirdordinii5783

2 жыл бұрын

Another type of geared locomotive, the Shay, also has three cylinders. With two to four trucks in total depending on the class.

@danzo5521

2 жыл бұрын

Why did they mess up the rails?

@Varinki

2 жыл бұрын

@@danzo5521 A lot of it was poor mechanical balance. Particularly with the large low pressure cylinders. The N&W managed to solve these issues eventually but by that time other railroads had moved on to simple articulateds. The Y6B was the ultimate Mallet locomotive.

@nanhat753

2 жыл бұрын

A lot of British engines used a 4 cylinder setup, particularly LMS engines, from memory. Engines designed by Nigel Gresley tended towards 3 cylinders.

You should name the valley Gutless Gorge.

@LouieNJ

2 жыл бұрын

Gutless Pass!

@thenthson

2 жыл бұрын

Gutless Guantlet. Though gorge does sound better.

With steam locomotives going over two cylinders required putting cylinders between the frames and having a crank axle. Both of which tended to be maintenance headaches.

8:04 trouble seeing the end of your train and not knowing if you lost a car? Maybe the caboose could help

Go ahead and check out the BETA branch of the game with the tractive physics overhaul! Should interesting ;)

@10EightyPlays

2 жыл бұрын

Should interesting. Hm.

@danzo5521

2 жыл бұрын

@@10EightyPlays joe biden

@Demonslayer20111

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah empty weight of cars is upped. He will get stuck on that part the heisler struggled at.

near 11:00 - once you have at least 1 cargo loaded, when you look at the car it shows capacity in the info in top left

I can just imagine kAN in later episodes going towards the coal mine or back from the iron mine and every now and again he'll just go "let's just pass over gutless Bridge/gutless valley"

7:52 Real steam trains often do the compressor while staying at stations.That's why you can hear the steam pump while the train is standing - it's using steam to compress air when it's not needed for moving the train.

RE: 9:00 mark - near the waterfall. If you move the track to the left (towards the waterfall), and add a trestle bridge over the ridge, you can keep a lower angle for that 2-3 train lengths -- and you get a great view of the waterfall.

The music in this game is amazing. The soundtrack is absolutely peaceful like its constantly after the climax of a song. I love it and have fallen asleep to that toon several times.

this series is amazing keep up the good work kAN

I think I said this before, but you should run the Mogul and the Heisler back to back. Mogul in the lead and Heisler in the back. The links shouldn't snap. You have the Mogul for speed and the Heisler for the large hills you commonly find on Straightline Rail CO's hills.

@COASTERFAN-sw9hj

2 жыл бұрын

like the idea i will try it. i also have had troubles with grades. maybe two heislers

@Valveiscool.

2 жыл бұрын

I said that in a long previous video about cooke mogul and heisler or class 70 and heisler

8:40 I think those two cylinders are actually like four. Since they are powered on both the push and pull stroke.

@kuhljager2429

2 жыл бұрын

They would be dual action cylinders, but for the purposes of counting cylinders, they don't count twice. They also use fresh steam on both strokes

Some of the new update is that set tractive efforts and masses for the engines are now to their real value, also the freight items has their own masses now. So Physics are more realistic now, hence the Heisler was strugelling. Use the Climax, it's much better for those mountain tracks.

Well, I´d say make a deforesting episode to prepare your map and also lay down secondary lines, where you think, they´re needed. Then give Dapper and Kosmo some smaller Trains (make them "deserve" the Heißler XD) to start and fill up all your facilities to max, before youo continue hooking up stuff to your rail system.

With Railroads online extended, you can change switches from a mini-map, no more need to get out of the train. you can also drive the train without being in the cab, useful when loading long trains.

You should check out some of the other channels who have recently posted videos with the new update. The new physics are a wake up call to this game. No more long trains, steep inclines, and sharp curves! Ramblin Road did an excellent video showing just how bad things got. His map is similar to yours!

@TrainSimUSA

2 жыл бұрын

Yikes all my grades are max 3% and 15-20 deg curves. The update hopefully will be a bit longer. I need time to get the climax.

16:49 - Thanks for that knowledge bomb. "Iron must be insanely heavy!"

In regards to what you were saying around the 9:00 mark, there were a few steam locomotives around the world that had four cylinders such as simple articulateds, Mallets, and compound steam locomotives. The third major geared steam design, the shay, had three cylinders.

Germany had a few 3 cylinder engines where the third cylinder was mounted in the center between the wheels. The probably best known BR 01 for example was 3 cylinder engine. 3 cylinder engines ran smoother then 2 cylinder due to the 120 degree angle instead of the 90 degree. They didn't shake that much from side to side due to the changing load on the drive wheels

Mmm yes I love watching kan playing RO at 2AM.

@evangroves641

2 жыл бұрын

Go to sleep man! Lol

So if you're talking about engines with more than 2 cylinders, england had some with 3, one in the center and one on either side. I know the Pennsylvania railroad experimented with that style, but ultimately scrapped it because it wasn't very efficient for the size of locomotive they were using, plus maintenance was a nightmare because it was so hard to work on that center cylinder. The shay is a 3 piston geared loco that performed extremely well on logging lines. The locos with 4 cylinders are called articulated locomotives because the front set of drivers were allowed to turn and let the boiler swing away from that front set, allowing the engine to take tighter turns. The first ones were called mallets, and did in fact use a compound system, which used high pressure steam in one set, and the low pressure exhausted steam in the second set. Some narrow gauge railroads did have articulated engines, so I'm excited to see what they add to the game

When you get the smaller gear train you should use the coal and backwards iron lines to test it with loads and some money grinding, and wouldn't you want to do 20 coal and 20 iron for the iron works?

It’s my birthday today, hasn’t been great but this video made it quite a bit better, thank you

I would love the Devs to add a articulated locomotive like a garrat or something.

Imagine if they added the ability to make tunnels through mountains

@CrippleX89

2 жыл бұрын

Or carve ridges on the sides of mountains

Kan, an easy way to make sure you don't lose cars is even if its it's solo run, put the caboose at the back. Then you can just look for the caboose, if it's there, you have all your cars

Another fun thing to know, the Heislers whistle is both terrifying and loud. You can hear it across the map.

Hey here’s a thought Since Betsy’s so short you could store 12 in a garage and then...and then........we’ll I don’t know why you would want to do that But imagine

my buddy weird Beard made a line that goes over the mountian by the switch at the coal mine and does two switch backs crazy run with him and I the other night. his line comes into the coal mine from the falls side from where the loop is on your mine. his grade is no steeper than 3%. love your videos its very entertaining.

Irl, you don’t have empty cars in front because when breaking, you might crush the emptys

I think the reason that the coal mine needs rails it's for them to run mine carts through the mine loaded carts ride on the rails to the edge of the mine where the coal is dumped into the tipple

9:20 A lot of British express passenger locomotives, like the famous Flying Scotsman, have 3 pistons; one on either side in the "conventional" positions, outboard of the leading wheels, and a third in the middle, between the wheels.

you should make a shortcut to the coal mine through the iron mine by doing what Ecuador did with the Devil's nose railway and zig-zag forwards and backwards up the side of a mountain

So on the topic of multiple piston steam engines, alot of larger steam engines such as those used in industrial services like water pumping, electricity and marine use, they would use a type of engine called a triple expansion engine which used 3 pistons. A high pressure, medium pressure and low pressure cylinder. In a vessel like the titanic, which featured 3 individual propellers, the port and starboard propellers were driven by their own triple expansion engine, the steam that left the low pressure cylinders on both engines were then redirected to the center engine which was a low pressure steam turbine. That steam turbine could operate at 7 to 9psi and helped to recover the last bit of thermal energy. The steam was then routed to a condenser where it was cooled off back into water and then pumped back into the boiler to be turned into steam again! In more common engines like those used by steam tractors smaller stationary engines and locomotives, they used a double acting piston, where steam could be injected into either side of the piston to push it one direction and then other, allowing you to have power from your piston about 60 to 80% of the time.

There is quite a few Locos with 4 cylinders (called a duplex because of 2 sets of 2 cylinders), two of the most popular are the 4000 class (known as big boys) and the 3900 class (known as challengers). These are too long for them to be used on normal curves, so they need to articulate between the two sets of drivers. There is a large number of UK locos having 3 cylinders (2 outside, one inside the frame), the Flying Scotsman uses this design along with the Dominion of Canada (Built on a similar frame). Believe it or not, but there is actually a steam engine that uses 6 cylinders (called a triplex because of 3 sets of 2 cylinders). These were not the best in terms of operation because the 3rd set of drivers were under the tender, this lead to the loco loosing traction over time.

Kan talking about the articulated locomotives, he's getting to be a true Railfan! Wait until he sees the 2-10-10-2

@m.ichung7584

2 жыл бұрын

And I mean on google, not the game

Don’t be afraid to give it some more juice at the throttle. Going up the valley I would’ve had the throttle about 60-65. But I’m always in the cab controlling the engine in third person when I drive. Also I run the Eureka a lot. I usually have it at full throttle or almost full. If you have the Eureka under 60% it wouldn’t have that much power.

dude they need to add tunnels that would be amazing

A 2 cylinder steam engine has as many power strokes as a V8 4 stroke engine. This is because both sides of the cylinder do work, meaning that the piston is both pushed down the cylinder and pulled up. 4 cylinder compound locomotives are more efficient just because it uses the steam twice and thus the exhaust is as close to atmospheric pressure as possible. The key to steam is pressure differential!

this episode is so relaxing

You know you have to use your whistle when you start moving, it’s to let people know you’re coming, that’s what they’re there for.

It is true that the heavier cars should be closest to the locomotive, with light cars at the end. There have been several incidents coming from improper load distribution. It's especially important and common with long and heavy trains, like in Russia, and with heavy cargo such as steel coil. The empty flatcars are very light compared to the ones loaded with steel.

You can call the bridge the gutless memorial bridge 17:46 another thing kan won’t do

The only thing you should ever sell at the Freight Depot are Oil Barrels. If you need to get rid of Iron, connect the Iron Works so you can make higher profits.

I loved the real time timelapse it was a very calming ride, I haven't seen any other youtuber do that before should do it move often XDXD

I love this series

Love the vidoes keep up the good work!!!

Really enjoying this series, long trips like this I prefer to see the journey instead of it in segments. Don't know if that would be possible to this more, just thought it might be cool to see. Keep up the great content

I love railroads and trains awesome too steam crashes on my computer but if I could have the game I would!

Lumber is heavier than beams, rails heavier than lumber. One loaded ore / coal load is 24,000 pounds including the weight of the hopper. Having the heaviest up front prevents “string-lining”, where cars in the middle will be pulled into the curve and derail rather than through the curve on the tracks as that’s the path of least resistance. Weight in the back causes the lateral pull in the middle, and flat cars can be the worst for this to happen with as they’re low to the ground and lightweight. With a load, they’re a lot less likely to do this the heavier that load is, but at the trade off of causing the problem if the heavier weight is in back. I’ve string-lined a flat car train before because the cars were empty and I had a bobber caboose on the end which is 2,000-3,000 pounds heavier than the flat cars, so it became an “anchor” to say in the curve. I have since then reworked the curve and have not been running 10 log cars and 10 cordwood cars in a 20 car train to the depot just to “make money” in the early game-imagine owning a Cooke 2-8-0, Heisler, Class 48, both Porters, Montezuma, Mosca, four Waycars, two Bobbers, 10 log, 10 cordwood, 10 stake flat, 10 hoppers, and lastly a Shay just to make a WildStar (RIP) “Lifty 2.0” reference before even going to the smelter… and after only 48 hours of buying the game. Filled the pond twice, took beams for a day to the depot so didn’t need to run the 20 car madness anymore-and after that one attempt, cut it down to 5 and 5 running Betsy and the other Porter while loading the other, which was… crazy.

Maybe you could shed the gear trains at the start of the inclines and either use them as banking engines to help you up the inclines or switch engines at the incline

Speaking of having heavier cars closer to the locomotive, that is true. If you have all motive power at the front of the train you usually would want to have heavier cars at the front and lighter cars towards the end of the train. Sometimes it's not possible to arrange cars like that either you don't have enough space in a railroad yard or it would delay the train too much. But there is a thing called "string-line" derailment. Imagine having a powerful locomotive or more of them all at the front end of the train and then 50 empty flat cars and then 50 loaded coal hoppers and the train is going on a steep grade and going into a tight curve. That situation has a high chance of causing a string-line derailment. USA for example has very long freight trains and distributed power is used along the whole train to minimize coupler slack and coupler stress. My country has regulations which permit freight trains longer than 700 meters (around 2300 feet). Basically we use two locomotives at the front of the train, one at the front and one at the rear end or rarely two at the front and one on the back. Nice video and a very nice game, it has a lot of potential developing further. Greetings from a train engineer from Croatia!

When Haisler "Last Hope" is bogging up, it's really heavy..

I wonder if and when Kan will make a line that is as straight a possible from point A to point B without going around the mountains

@TheCatAliasTNT2k

2 жыл бұрын

Never, because it would be way to steep I guess. The shorter the line, the steeper it gets.

@wyrdean_9649

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheCatAliasTNT2k I think a constant 3% would be better than 3% with turns and twists, at least you'd know immediately if you'll make it or not

@OttosTheName

2 жыл бұрын

I think they're adding tunnels to this have so why knows, maybe he will for ocd's sake

@padraigswiers2066

2 жыл бұрын

@@OttosTheName that would be amazing if they do

@TheCatAliasTNT2k

2 жыл бұрын

@@wyrdean_9649 Yes, that's right. But the line must be long enough that you can make it with 3% to the top...

Regarding 2-cylinder train engines vs 4-cylinder: Keep in mind that standard car engines are on a 4 stroke cycle which means only 2 cylinders are firing per rotation. Note also that train pistons can get power on both directions of each stroke, so a 2 cylinder steam engine is like an 8 cylinder gasoline engine.

I just bought the game, and I will go out and say that you make the rail building look easy.

@sagehenry7880

2 жыл бұрын

it gets easier with time

@rileymorse9552

2 жыл бұрын

@@sagehenry7880 yeah, I was up late last night working on my rails. I figured out that if you lay the groundwork and then just throw some rails down, you can edit the track and make it line up better bit by bit. Took a while, but my rails to the lumber yard are almost perfect, and I'm halfway done on the way to the sawmill

At this point, “lumber mill curve” has become infamous 😂

Specific density of pine approximately 600kg/m3. Water is 1,000kg/m3. Iron is 7,800kg/m3. So very roughly for an equal volume of wood versus iron, iron is 13x as heavy as pine. Now, no idea what the game has the weights as.

U should put some building up like the shed as like houses but don't use them just use them as decoration

Yo my name is also Con. I just found your channel, good stuff man keep it coming 🙏

I think when your ready to make two big bridges in them two gab ridges the leads you to the coal mine so you won't fear derailing and won't have to worry about them step turns

15:20 should name that area Gutless Gorge

Please never stop making videos

Dont forget, a steam locomotive piston is powered both directions. The only issue is when the cylinders are clocked at 180 degrees to each other, you can get into a situation where the cylinders can be deadheaded and unable to start from a standing stop if you happened to stop with cylinder rods fully extended or retracted. Old locomotive engineers would have tried to stop with the coupling rods down to avoid stalling. Later designs would clock the cylinders at around 160-200 degrees to avoid that situation. A three cylindered locomotive like a UP 9000 or Shay 3 cylinder geared locomotive would be clocked at 120 degrees and never have a dead spot.

Here's a cool fact: when modern trains transport gas they put a boxcar in between the engines and the tankers just incase of an accident the tankers won't smack into the engines hope you enjoyed

If only you had a caboose with a nice crackling fire at the back :P

for the heavy loads at the front thing, think of it as having a metal cube connected to an indestructible piece of string. if you pull the string it's gonna have a lot of tension and pulling it through a curved ridge will cause it to slip off because it can't break but is still pulling against the heavy metal cube and needs to move with the train(your hand), now imagine if you pulled on the cube instead of the string, this is the same for the train... doubt it makes that much of a difference in-game tho

No brakes for the class 70 on the gallows turntable

Fun Fact They don’t weld the metal together or it expands. They use super strong glue and bolts to hold the tracks together. Thought you should know

Hyped on the video

Some of the steam engines had a third center piston for an effective six steam cylinders

Class 70s are like Heislers but CRAZY fast too

I like so much this game because it reminds me the reality that was in my territory, there in south Italy, in the early 1900... There was an important sawmill come from Germany wich was commissioned to cut down 93500 Beech trees to produce railroad crossbars. And they was used to transport the logs and the crossbars with cableways and forestry railroads like those! Maaan... I dunno what to pay to see this reality again🥺

About this efficiency... A 4-piston engine without superheating was less efficient then the smaller 2-piston superheated mixed traffic engine. Compound, twin or tandem locomotives are more efficient than the 2-cylinder locomotives with the same size and same type of steam.

Can't wait to see you connect the rest of the places. You'll want Gutless back

@launcesmechanist9578

2 жыл бұрын

He'll need a Eureka once passenger trains become a thing in-game. Compared to the others, it's the only dedicated passenger engine in the game atm.

About the iron weight, I once saw a semi and it was pulling maybe 5 iron beams on the trailer and these were maybe 4 feet long half a foot wide idk but they were obviously really heavy

They really need to add wild life to this game and a pre built tunnel

Yay another cool video

I like the background music

I run 20 car trains by myself. I have no friends that like trains so I can only play alone. But it's a nightmare once in a while. Only reason is lining up the cars

I've been waiting for this video lol

the ending was funny

kAN you do first person please with a cherry on top... I like this video

Kan you should use Betsy or Betsy 2.0 as line maintenance engines so they can get some more use and don't rust in the sheds lmao (maybe coop it to use both, just an idea. it'd be useless to have two people to fix curves and stuff but whoever you bring would get to see your new tracks)

I bet if you got your fire to 100% and had regular on full the whole way, you have a good chance you'll make it to the top with ease and not derail with your speed. In reality, this would not be recommended but in the game, it would work with your route.

hey kAN, you should try a tandem with the class 70 in front and the heisler at the back so you can have the speed of the class 70 and the torque of the heisler. I tried this on my world and I filled up the iron mine in no time. heisler driving up, and class 70 driving back down.

If I remember correctly, the climax is actually more powerful than the heisler. Its downside, however, is that it is incredibly slow. You can outrun it on foot even when it is at 100% reg.

It would be honest awesome if they Eventually added in Tunnels throw the mountains or have the players add there own tunnels

ur smelter to coal line is way cleaner that mine lol

Oh wow!

SRC- sketchy rail co.

Hey KAN you do know with the gear trains you can use the reverser to gear up or down your train! Try it!

I hope they add early mallets at some point ( early articulated steam locomotives) it would just be real interesting seeing how people react to larger steam

@andre21198

2 жыл бұрын

I don`t think Mallets were ever produced for a 3ft gauge aka narrow gauge. I agree, large steam would be awesome but track laying in this game is far to finnicky/manual to make lines long enough to justify the bigger iron horses.

@thatconservativetrainguy3864

2 жыл бұрын

@@andre21198 mallets were produced in narrow gauge just imagine the trains you could haul the price for them would be insane but they’d be able to do large amounts of heavy lifting

@andre21198

2 жыл бұрын

@@thatconservativetrainguy3864 i will continue to assert that big trains need big track, and this game is not conducive to big track.

8:59 "I don't know the math on that" Don't worry, they didn't either

Engines which have high and low pressure cylinders are called compound engines or simply, compounds.