Before anyone leaves a comment, yes this is an update to an older video. The original was made back in 2016 and was my second Transformers Discussions video. As such, the audio was terrible and the images were low res. I was never happy with how it came out and I decided to give this one an overhaul. Now it has more information than before and it has been re-recorded as well. Hope you enjoy it! Till all are one!

@stunnastream11

4 жыл бұрын

Well it definitely looks better than the older one. And I believe in FIBRIR mainly because of the colour scheme.

@justinpritt7897

4 жыл бұрын

I was about to say "didn't you already made this video?" But it's good to see a updated version 😆 and of course till all are one ✌

@omegaus817

4 жыл бұрын

Awesome

@omegaus817

4 жыл бұрын

Is like a remaster of your old videos but when new TF news you put them in with old and new nice.

@thunderboltskyy8083

4 жыл бұрын

RodimusPrimal do you think we should do a vote about who we be the transformers earthrise elite fighters my vote is soundwave and barricade and i really love your vidoes

Plot twist: they switch colors all the time to mess with people and only Soundwave can tell the difference

@atlasproductions9933

4 жыл бұрын

OH MY GOODNESS YOUR RIGHT

@Boom__6678

4 жыл бұрын

I'm used to the cartoon but I like this so much better

@theleaderofintrovertforces2269

4 жыл бұрын

Every transformers fan ever:My primus why didn’t we think of that before

@Daltinian95

4 жыл бұрын

D:

@travisevans8742

4 жыл бұрын

About time! I always had that as my fan fiction since I was a kid! The only possible answer to reconcile both sides!

"This info card is yours right?" "Yup." "And the info card says Rumble on it." "Yup." "And since this info card is yours and it says Rumble, that means your name is Rumble." "Makes sense to me." "Then you're Rumble!" "I'm not Rumble, I'm Frenzy." "GAAAAHHHHHH!!!!"

@zilvertron

4 жыл бұрын

By that, Skywarp is smarter than Starscream and is second in command. Right, got ya

@Wimplo86

4 жыл бұрын

zilvertron *Thundercracker

@XiaoFury

4 жыл бұрын

"It's not my wallet!"

@zilvertron

3 жыл бұрын

@@Wimplo86 send me a link where it says its Thundercracker and i send you a few where it says Skywarp www.transformers-universe.com/include.php?path=galerie/pic.php&pid=43225#Titel

@matthewreynoso6904

3 жыл бұрын

Xiao-Fury: The Channel Transformers Animated Bulkhead!

For me - based on the G1 cartoon - Rumble is BLUE, Frenzy is RED 👍🏻

@QurikyBark32919

Жыл бұрын

Preach the truth!!

@midnight8555

Жыл бұрын

I support RIBFIR/FIRRIB

@s0upra536

Жыл бұрын

Correct my friend.

@neongreen1842

Жыл бұрын

Correct

@alcoholic9496

Жыл бұрын

Yes, American G1 is the only canon.

Only their daddy can tell them apart.

@KilosFoxo

4 жыл бұрын

do not ever call soundwave anyone's daddy ever again

@applepye1353

4 жыл бұрын

Soundwave is their mom. :P

@KilosFoxo

4 жыл бұрын

@@applepye1353 again no

@kay1a_0606

4 жыл бұрын

Apple Pye what 😶

@quantum.code.x

3 жыл бұрын

@@kay1a_0606 How’s Megatron

Honestly, the topic of who became cyclonus is the transformers equivalent of “who shot first” from Star Wars

@hamzadawud

4 жыл бұрын

Except that Han shot first for 20 years before the movie was changed. The Cyclonus thing was confusing from the get-go. 😂

@subjectdelta7210

4 жыл бұрын

Answer George Lucius shot first by changing the scene

@RobinSwede

4 жыл бұрын

Except it's not because Han shot first

@superpixelwarrior6893

4 жыл бұрын

Hamza Dawud well regardless, both are still topics people argue over to this day, even if we know for sure Han shot first

@alexlemonds2838

4 жыл бұрын

@@superpixelwarrior6893 One of my favorite TF Mosaics is one about Enemy. Go look up "The Last Enemy."

Considering their trouble making, comic relief origins, I love the idea that they just swap names whenever they feel like it to mess with everyone. :)

Me: "Which one is Rumble and which one is Frenzy?" Both Frenzy and Rumble at the same time: "I AM!"

@Greenkitten45

2 жыл бұрын

According to Bayverse Frenzy is the silver one

@m.e.c.hn.e.s.t4757

2 жыл бұрын

@@Greenkitten45 So, a Bayverse Rumble should be gold then?

@Greenkitten45

2 жыл бұрын

@@m.e.c.hn.e.s.t4757 Of course! 🤛😄

@m.e.c.hn.e.s.t4757

2 жыл бұрын

@@Greenkitten45 Great🤛

Rumble is this one and frenzy is that one durr 🙄

@maplerb2964

4 жыл бұрын

Mike Thomo lmfao

@lhfinatl7068

4 жыл бұрын

It's like the old argument: "Which way is 'left'?" -"That way." "Then which way is 'right'?" -"The one that's left."

@matthewreynoso6904

3 жыл бұрын

LHF Inatl Hah! The one that's left!

@ghaniKSW2

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks i guess?

Rumble is red Frenzy is blue Or maybe they aren't And the opposite is true

@waverod9275

4 жыл бұрын

Rumble is red Frenzy is too Unless, of course, Either is blue.

@jangofett3229

4 жыл бұрын

Waverod this ^

@raazaqandraazia6672

3 жыл бұрын

These rhymes are making me think

@kingtai2005

3 жыл бұрын

You mean Rumble blue and Frenzy red, but they changed their names

@GuzziHeroV50

3 жыл бұрын

@@kingtai2005 Well the original toys and comics had them frenzy blue, rumble red. The animation studio made the error.

“Hey no one calls Soundwave un-crazamatik.” I love that line.

@keith3819

Жыл бұрын

"Yeah! Let's kick tailpipe!"

@LiamDyC

Жыл бұрын

​@@keith3819 Scrapper: "Constructicons, UNITE!"

@scottmahoney1230

11 ай бұрын

Soundwave superior, Constructicons INFERIOR!!! Bonecrusher and Hook: Who are you calling INFERIOR, yeah would follow an charismatic bore like you! Rumble and FRENZY:no one calls Soundwave uncresimatic! Yeah, let's kick tailgate.

@ValiantWrestling

6 ай бұрын

​@@keith3819tailgate, not tailpipe. Jesus ateast get it right if you're going to quote the line...

@keith3819

6 ай бұрын

@@ValiantWrestling If you're going to bother to correct the quote a year after I post it, at least use appropriate English. "Ateast" is not a word. There should also be a comma after "Jesus."

Get ready to crumble before Rumble!

You know... There have been the theory for years that Hasbro switched the colour schemes of Rumble and Frenzy in the cartoon on purpose. The thought behind it being that kids would want both versions. But seeing as they were not sold together, you'd need to buy BOTH duo-packs to get both. The thought being that if Rumble had been red, kids would only want that figure. It wasn't until the popularity of the show was confirmed that both characters were used. So they slapped the red colour scheme of Frenzy. The same theroy applies to why Soundwave was not sold together with Laserbeak as they were paired in the cartoon. Soundwave was sold together with Buzzsaw on purpose, so that you would need to buy the Laserbeak's duo pack to get them back together again, as in the cartoon.

@bobswolfie2001

3 жыл бұрын

Ahhh, capitalism

@EveryDooDarnDiddlyDay

2 жыл бұрын

@@bobswolfie2001 Yeah god forbid businesses should make any money.

@bobswolfie2001

2 жыл бұрын

@@EveryDooDarnDiddlyDayIt was a joke, my friend. Hasbro knows how to make money well, that much is clear.

@Mr.BMC2763

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah but buzzsaw wasn't in the cartoon that much. I was like wth is buzzsaw. So I just called him laserbeak way.

@MikhailSamunin

2 жыл бұрын

@@Mr.BMC2763 You are the genius! Seriously!

I always go with FIR RIB... because Black & Red are angrier colors, more invocative of a "Frenzied" State. Which ties in nicely with the old show & film.

@tarnsanders259

23 күн бұрын

Yeah, that's the only reason I like it that way better, the colors and the names feel more thematically tied that way

They could be changing colors with each other just to mess with everyone

@KilosFoxo

4 жыл бұрын

that is the case in idw

@matthewreynoso6904

3 жыл бұрын

Thought it'd all be an animation error in the cartoon.

We do not call the blue one frenzy in my house

Soundwave is the best Decepticon ever!

@legoawcstopmotioner9435

4 жыл бұрын

@Decepticon Bludgeon Let me see if I can guess your favorite. Lol.

@kay1a_0606

4 жыл бұрын

:)

@sarab.3224

Жыл бұрын

AGREED

I maintain to my dying day that Rumble and Frenzy, being typical mischevious twins, paint themselves in each other's colors just to screw with everyone. In my headcanon they were both initially "blue", thus IMO Frenzy actually showed up - in his proper toy color - in MTMTE part 2 inside Sherman dam while Rumble was fighting Hound underwater. Frenzy showed up as Red in Countdown to Extinction, while Rumble stayed blue, and the two punks are messing with our heads to this day.

@ValiantWrestling

6 ай бұрын

That wouldn't make sense since Frenzy's voice is higher than Rumbles so anyone with hearing would be able to tell they weren't the kne they said they were...

I love that IDW just switches them round, and had Rumble (The BLUE one) admit that they didn't know which was which anymore.

Soundwave was an amazing warrior. He was there from the start, and barely got a scratch on him.

Fun fact: Many sources list the Blue Selects Cassette as rumble, meaning that this is a rare case where both colors are named Rumble

As a kid in the 80's, I remember getting the toys for Rumble and Frenzy along with Soundwave one Christmas. But after they were out of the packaging, all we had to go on was the cartoon to identify these characters. So the show was the final say as far as we were concerned. My Rumble will always be blue.

Megatron: "Soundwave I a sick of this confusion! I ordered Rumble and Frenzy to repainted themselves. From now on Rumble will be yellow and Frenzy will be green!" Little green robot comes in: "Wait you want me to put on the yellow?" Megatron face palms.

@nitromenace1424

3 жыл бұрын

Underrated comment

I'm used to Rumble being the blue one. I was a big fan of the cartoon as a kid.

The funny part about this upload is that recently (literally yesterday) I revisited the previous “Rumble and Frenzy - Who is Who?” video, so the timing is impeccable.

@RodimusPrimal

4 жыл бұрын

Now you can see the improvements I made to make it that much better of a video.

I feel Hasbro could come tomorrow and make up their mind and STILL the debacle wouldn't end. I for once would love to see a version of Frenzy and Rumble that actually acknowledges the debate in story, and having them switch color schemes just to screw with people.

Wow, I never knew they switched names in so many different continuities, almost back and forth. I just stand by FIRRIB because of the G1 cartoon.

Only real reason I brought the HB masterpiece Soundwave 02 because it had all the cassettes and rumble and frenzy which were my favorites and it came with their full transformation.

I bet rumble and frenzy are equipped with color changing technology and swap colors all the time just to confuse everyone

Is Frenzy red Is rumble blue Nobody knows Who is who Hope you enjoyed this little rhyme

Rumble and Frenzy, two of my favorite transformers. Yeah, and Rumble is the Blue one!

FIRRIB. Also I love that you included the scene of Rumble turning into a tree at the end. One of my favorite scenes from the cartoon.

@RodimusPrimal

4 жыл бұрын

I was thinking of how to incorporate that scene somewhere. It's hilarious.

Rumble will always be the blue(ish) one to me! :P

Rumble is blue Frenzy is red

Soundwave is the mafia boss and the duo frenzy and rumble are the loan sharks. For me, both can be who as part of the confusion since even if they are not used for spying they still carry information used by the decepticons for planning.

As G1 is concerned, I've always been in the Rumblue / Frednzy camp. Though, as often as characters change designs/colors across various continuities, anything goes for later iterations.

For me rumbles personality fits the blue color he has in the g1 cartoon and frenzy fits the red color

I mean everyone is entitled to their own opinion based on which continuity they follow. For me and my collection rumble is blue and purple and frenzy is red and black. Just my opinion.

Dumb fact: if you saw the WFC cassettes rumble was released first so we know now which is which (frenzy is being real later)

🤚This debate is as old as whether 👉 " It's DUCK SEASON or RABBIT SEASON " 🤣😂

Soundwave: "Rumble, eliminate resistance." Rumble: "I'm trying, Soundwave!" lol hilarious

Rumble and Frenzy 1:49 Frenzy 3:00 Rumble 3:12 For the show 4:10 Rumble Purple and Blue. 4:29 4:44 Frenzy Red and Black. 4:55 4:59 Skywarp: Butt off Frenzy geek work for geek like you. Amazing voice actor of the twins Frank Welker. 5:08 5:27 The twins Blaster's Mini-con. 5:50 They are Soundwave's little dudes. 6:01 Rumble and Frenzy: No way. 6:10 The big wait that's fans want to hear. 6:40 *Firrib* *Fibrir* From Bigbear2922 8:00 Rumble: First we crack the shell. Frenzy: Then broke the nut inside. 8:10 Soundwave's 07 design for the Bayformers. 9:41 Voice of Frenzy Reno Wilson. 9:53 Crazy nut bolt. 10:00 Touchdown by Sam. 10:09 Frenzy: AllSpark Located. 10:18 Voice of the twins Keith Silverstein 10:40 Rumble coolest line. 10:48 Here the color swap and names. 11:57 NOW I AM SHOCKING RIGHT NOW. *CYBERTRONIC SPRCE E RETRO CON* 12:04 Soundwave: Rumble eliminate resist Rumble: I trying Soundwave. 12:28 12:49 Taking away Mr. Walker. I stay with Rumble as blue and purple and Frenzy red and black I hope they use them in more TF shows, games and more thank you for the video. Rumble: Hey I am Rumble with blue and purple. Frenzy: And I am Frenzy with red and black Twins: This isn't rock sciences.

Honestly it can be either way for me. As long as they are deployed by soundwave, it's fine on my book

Oh boy they literally made you do it! 😂 Darn rascals! Also as far as their identities, I follow the G1 cartoon with Rumble being Blue and Frenzy being Red I've even heard someone suggest an idea that they could swap colors to trick their enemies and confuse others

In my own opinion, rumble has the pile drivers, frenzy has the discord frequency, colors dont matter

I played the high moon Cybertron games when I was a kid and they were always (rumble=purple) and (frenzy=red )

I prefer rumble being blue and frenzy being red, I just think the names suit there colors better that way

I love trying to explain 80s technology to kids these days. Whats a cassette? Whats a Videotape? Why do phones have cords on them and why are they mounted to the wall?

@alumlovescake

4 жыл бұрын

Well someone needs to explain to me why on earth does phones have 3 to 5 cameras now days and what happened to the top and bottom bezel of phones and what the hell is a fuzor?

@KilosFoxo

4 жыл бұрын

@@alumlovescakei can only answer one of those questions fuzor: a transformer with a beast mode that is a combination of two animals such as eagle and wolf

@_marxono_9815

4 жыл бұрын

I have 13 years and I know what is a casette.

@serbianslav5494

3 жыл бұрын

I am 15 and I know what a cassette is.

As a newer fan, I was introduced to Rumble and Frenzy in their toy form so I'm used to Rumble being red and Frenzy being blue

Fun fact: the product description for the Generations Selects: Soundwave Spy patrol 3rd unit says that with Siege Rumble _(Frenzy)_ and this set's Frenzy _(Rumble)_ it's up to the fans which is which.

@RodimusPrimal

3 жыл бұрын

That is why I included John Warden (the now former head Transformers toy designer at Hasbro as he's now on Power Rangers) when he said it at Toy Fair.

@DJDroz-tz4qc

3 жыл бұрын

Cheese, I literally just commented?

The fact that this argument's been raging for 40 years is just awesome.

“Get ready to crumble…BEFORE RUMBLE”

Great to see this updated since it was my introduction to your channel in the first place.

@RodimusPrimal

4 жыл бұрын

That's awesome. Glad you enjoyed the new one too!

This was a video I been waiting for and this was worth the wait I leave a like and I love the video

As I'm more of a toy collector and the cartoon is just a fun bonus, I tend to lean towards #FIBRIR. But I like to think of them being like real life identical twins who swap places to mess with people, the robots just swap armor instead of clothes.

@RodimusPrimal

Жыл бұрын

I go by the idea that they were toy colors on Cybertron and changed when they came to Earth to cartoon colors.

Another awesome video!

Rumble will always be blue, to me. I felt like Frenzy was a more minor character. That is just my head canon.

Rumble is red, Frenzy is blue. G1 toy say, so good day.

@jangofett3229

4 жыл бұрын

FIB RIR

@TheSmart-CasualGamer

4 жыл бұрын

Frenzy is Red, Rumble is Blue, the cartoon has said so, so screw you.

@lodomir5519

4 жыл бұрын

@@TheSmart-CasualGamer As an obvious mistake which was even sed in the video

@trulythelongestnameinthisc8779

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheSmart-CasualGamer Rumble is red Frenzy is blue The cartoon colours were a mistake Boo hoo!

Great video thanks for making this@!

i litterally just saw this in my feed and said "hell yeah i'd love to watch this again!" i didn't realize it was an improved video. lol. thanks for all the great content!

@RodimusPrimal

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks! I really appreciate that! I wanted this to be better than it was before and I am much happier how the video came out!

@Lazrael32

4 жыл бұрын

Very welcome. you do great work. It really feels like you are just a big fan sharing what you are passionate about. and thats really cool for someone like me who has never had friends who were into transformers like i was/am. So i look forward to your videos. thanks again.

I think they swap colors to mess with fans and manufacturer's.

I too am personally more in favor of the "Rumble is blue and Frenzy is red". Although, having said that I would also like to see a retrospective on his other cassettes ( that being Ravage, Laserbeak, Buzzsaw and Ratbat), as well as those used by Autobot Blaster (including Steeljaw, Ramhorn, Eject, Rewind, and Sunder in the fall of cybertron timeline).

@RodimusPrimal

3 жыл бұрын

I have them on my list of characters to cover for sure.

FIBRIR always made more sense to me for some reason, but overall I agree with you. They're practically the same character so it doesn't matter. Fumble is green, Kenzy is yellow.

Great stuff

I'll say Rumble is Blue or Purple [depending on the artist] and Frenzy Red. As far as the Transformers Gobots toy that Frenzy [the one I had own until his arm broke] was a sparkly Purple car.

Purple is Rumble. Red and black is Frenzy.

@zitro3022

4 жыл бұрын

Kim Yo Jong's Sandwich Right

@skiiima

4 жыл бұрын

He’s right according to the 1987 series

Loving this channel Big time!🤟

@RodimusPrimal

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you! Glad you are! Till all are one!

Growing up with the cartoon, getting the cassettes at rummage sales, and never seeing the toy card is really messing me up when I’ve only known the blue one as Rumble and constantly being referred to a Frenzy. Mind blown!

Rumble is blue - purple and Frenzy is red - black...

I'm use to rumble being blue because I seen him before as kid and will always be blue.

Rumble would easily be my favorite Decepticon cassette to vibe with, and Frenzy too, the others however lack communication skills.

Always happy to see a fellow Cybertronic Spree fan 🤟

No one calls RodimusPrimal uncrasimatic!

FIRRIB

... you got the touch.... you got the power!

As much as I love the G1 Cartoon series, I go with the toys as Frenzy Blue, Rumble Black.

I go by the Original Cartoon. Rumble is Purple, Frenzy is Red.

@silverbolt9439

3 жыл бұрын

Same also by the aligned continuity frenzy red rumble blue.

Rumble is blue and frenzy is red

Loved when lil guy jumped out and said you wanna rumble with rumble

It's obvious via the toy that Rumble was intended to be the red/black one and Frenzy was intended to be the blue/purple one. All western media is essentially based off the toys, being essentially commercials in 1/2hr cartoon and comic book form. Of course, for those of us who grew up with the G1 cartoon, it was our only source of Transformers lore. As it painted Rumble as the blue/purple one (whether by accident or design), while putting him on center stage it mostly sidelined the red/black one who was dubbed Frenzy. Thusly, putting the blue/purple one at the forefront of Transformers visibility and naming him Rumble, those of us who were engaged with the original cartoon and it's toys (because honestly, who bought the toys before they got hyped up by the cartoon back then?), Rumble will always be the blue/purple one. This holds true to me; Rumble of the cartoon will always be Rumble to me, period, in all his blue and purple goodness and it will forever be Rumble who uttered the unforgettable line "Hey, nobody calls Soundwave uncrasamatic!" If you think of it the other way around, that's fine, because it is also true, depending on what medium you draw from. There have been multiple 'generations' and multiple continuities of Transformers that span different realities and media/mediums, so essentially, both *are* true. That being said, the only one I care about is the G1 cartoon, so FIRRIB forever.

Frenzy is red Rumble is blue I like Rodimus Primal Do you?

I actually never knew about the coloring mix up till this video I've always just known Rumble as the blue one and Frenzy the red one

Thank you for calling out that two pack that thing is impossible to find

I’m on the FIRRIB side

Frenzy is Red and Rumble is blue that's how I grew up calling them that's what they were called in the g1 cartoon and I never followed the comics.

@syweb2

3 жыл бұрын

I was expecting a rhyme, you caught me off guard. This comment section does funny things to my head.

@Primeghost_2

3 жыл бұрын

@@syweb2 lol

Firrib all day and that includes my action figures of them, great vid!

@RodimusPrimal

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks! Till all are one!

1:57 - Frenzy and Ravage eluded me as a kid, it was the Transformers I never magaed to get. I remember years later when Ebay first came out I bought a whole job lot on Transformers for £260 just to get them! Now I have the boxed reissue ones as well. I gave up trying to get it and a kid and got 2 transformer watches, one red, one blue to represent them while playing with the figures.

I always think of Frenzy as the red one and rumble as the purpish blue one

Personally, I am a FIRRIB man myself.

It really depends on the incarnation. It's like Arcee being colored blue in TFP while otherwise being pink. So Frenzy is red in one incarnation and then blue in another and same goes for Rumble.

I’ve always known Rumble as blue and Frenzy as red mainly because of the War for Cybertron game

I personally am a FIRRIB guy.

I thought i lost my mind when i saw this suggested on my feed and saw it was posted this year as i have seen the previous one...but for me Rumble will be blue/purple and Frenzy Red/Black as im a 80s cartoon TF fan as sadly i never read the comics as they were never a thing here where i live what i can think up

@RodimusPrimal

4 жыл бұрын

It's a needed update. The original version was made using low res images and I only had a crappy mic to use. This one had more information on the toys and expanded parts. I even included the fact that Hasbro still is involved in the confusion and it's hilarious.

I never realized that was Rumble yelling on Char. To me, he's always the purple and blue one.

When I first saw the Soundwave toy in the late '80s, I thought his tapes can really play some music as some cassettes in those days are capable of.

Wasn't this uploaded already?

@RodimusPrimal

4 жыл бұрын

It's a much needed update to the original. It's got a lot more information and was completely re-recorded since my old mic sounded terrible.

Was this reuploaded?

@RodimusPrimal

4 жыл бұрын

It's a much needed update to the older version. It's longer with more information than before!

@yaboyaj2259

4 жыл бұрын

@@RodimusPrimal that's good to hear

@thegreeter1476

4 жыл бұрын

@@RodimusPrimal did Soundwaves other minicons die in WFC and FoC since they dont appear in Transformers Prime?

I have always gone by the toy version, justified after the fact by knowing the switch was simply due to a misinterpretation that had to be honored to remain consistent.

Rumble: Hey! Nobody calls Soundwave uncrusimatic! Me: Impecable-fraggin'-gramar you piston brain.

I’m a G1 fan and to me Rumble is always blue and Frenzy is red.