That has to be the best ATC controller you can ask for on an emergency situation.

@pomerau

5 ай бұрын

Well he knew he would be on VasAviation with other ATC watching and listening, so now everyone on air has to count the number of positive comments to not feel left out.

I really like the chart and map overlays.

@PaulL42654

5 ай бұрын

Yeah they’re great!!

@woodrax

5 ай бұрын

Love how they switch between different views and charts so that we, the audience, can tell what the Aircraft and Airport are talking about.

GREAT editing. Pilots and controllers very professional! !! !!!

Love how pilots are so calm (yes, I know they train every possible scenario) but how they state that there's an issue can be really interesting. "We have a tiny teeny little thing here we need to troubleshoot. It's nothing really." Then it can turn into a full emergency event.

@matejlieskovsky9625

5 ай бұрын

"Full emergency event" is a bit of a strong word here. They do declare an emergency when going to land, but at that point it is basically a formal way of saying "ok, watch out, here we go!" It is simply better to say the magic words and then land safely than risk any problems. A loss of an engine, bad crosswind, the rudder getting stuck at max deflection, other controls failing... there were definitely many ways for this to go south fast, but loss of rudder is (on its own) not an acute problem, as evidenced by them spending a lot of time troubleshooting, burning off fuel, and setting up for a nice long approach.

Love those video overlays!

Great job yall!

Rudder problems are no joke. Look up the Atc for United 585. Every normal to "crash" in seconds.

@scottalanclymer

5 ай бұрын

Super cool that they had "wind calm" back at the airfield. Couldn't ask for better situation for a landing with rudder control issues.

@PuertoRican88

5 ай бұрын

They may have to ground the Boeing 737s again since they do have a very troubled history. I have seen Air Mayday that shows the investigation about flight 585 and flight 427. Far as i remember back then they were grounded indeed by those accidents that happened. As for Boeing it's not looking great for them at all.

@ericmaglio

5 ай бұрын

@@PuertoRican88 There are certainly notable issues recently, but overall the 737 is on the safer side for commercial jetliners in terms of accident rate per number of flight hours. There's just so many of them flying so often that they're bound to show up disproportionally in things like Air Mayday.

Rudder failure is scary, back in the 90's 2 B737 crashed because of rudder failure, something to do with the hydraulic system freezing up.

@ninerlives

5 ай бұрын

It wasn’t just a failure, it was abruptly moving to the side, a hardover. To make things worse, the rudder inputs were controlling it in opposite manner.

@billtodd6509

5 ай бұрын

That USAir crashed just past my house that evening on its way to Pittsburgh beause of jammed rudder.

@jasonperry7970

5 ай бұрын

United 585 went down less than a mile from my house.

@Stephengirty

5 ай бұрын

Rudder failure is no joke.

@oldcarnocar

5 ай бұрын

B-52 rudder broke off back in the 1960's @@Stephengirty

Very good!

For the record, this is a Boeing 737-700 NG, not a MAX. Although on DEC 28 2023 FAA asked for all 737 Max planes in service worldwide to be inspected for “a possible loose bolt in the rudder control system”, this incident is not related to that. Yes, the MAX has issues but sometimes a coincidence can lead to the wrong assumptions.

@rainscratch

5 ай бұрын

Isn't it safer to assume a systemic quality control issue at Spirit/Boeing when different models have failures. Why would corporate safety shortcomings be limited to only one type of aircraft, when the same entity produces lots of types. However we can't assume that this rudder incident was not due to Southwest maintenance shortcomings.

@jake_

5 ай бұрын

@@rainscratch Well, this particular plane is 23 years old. It was first leased in 2001 by Virgin Blue and went through multiple airlines, so it must have gone through multiple heavy maintenance checks.

@pizzalover472

5 ай бұрын

I guess you say this after inspecting all 737NG out there and finding no loose hardware in them 🙄

Did you guys see that a pilot safely landed his Cessna on a road right near IAD? It was snowing and blowing like crazy here in Northern Virginia. Not really sure why they were flying when the big guys weren't. But he only nicked the guard rail, didn't see the damage to the Cessna. Bundle up everyone, it is frigid!

@Towert7

5 ай бұрын

Bent the prop pretty good. Not sure if the prop hit the guard rail or not. I'm very curious to find out what happened to this one, myself.

@gsdalpha1358

5 ай бұрын

@@Towert7 Engine failure shortly after takeoff. They didn't have enough altitude to make it back to the airport. Blancolirio channel has some pretty good data on it!

Man that could've been alot worse. Kind of gave me flight 585 and flight 427 vibes back in the early 90s

@PuertoRican88

5 ай бұрын

For real yea, the Boeing 737 does have a very troubled history, even with the MAX versions as well too.

I see so many comments about whether US pilots should or should not use PAN and MAYDAY. I haven't yet heard anyone point out that radio transmissions are subject to all sorts of interference. Using PAN and MAYDAY, repeated 3 times eliminates any confusion if reception is poor. Same with maritime distress calls. The "narrative" approach works when communications are clear but I like the clarity of PAN and MAYDAY.

@eltomas3634

5 ай бұрын

Oh, don't fret, the mayday atc radio comm grammar icao police will show up soon enough, they always do. Situations like this are dynamic and develop. When a situation occurs, there is an investigation and assessment, depending on the situation, an emergency is not always apparent and sometimes it's a regulatory thing. Flight control issues are generally classified as emergencies, but with complex systems, correctly identifying the problem is critical. If this crew announced mayday mayday mayday after troubleshooting, atc may have thought the situation suddenly became much worse and needed more help, meaning the initial plan is gone. The declaration of an emergency in this case was likely done because after correctly diagnosing a flight control issue had indeed occurred, it is now correct to declare an emergency. The mayday police make this issue much bigger than it is.

@Tortex88

5 ай бұрын

​@@eltomas3634And that's why Pan Pan would have been appropriate in this scenario. Trying to justify not using a tried, tested and internationally used method is ridiculous. Doesn't mean things can't change, it means everyone understands the current situation without back and fourth questioning.

@mattp1002

5 ай бұрын

I have never heard a PAN PAN PAN in the US, I remember hearing this is more common in Europe.

@shack1975

5 ай бұрын

You’re not wrong, but that didn’t seem to be a factor here. In a more urgent situation requiring an immediate return, absolutely. To be honest, I’ve never really understood the utility of PAN (x3) vs MAYDAY in the first place (pilot since age 16 incl. 25 years USAF). I’m not morally opposed to it, but to me, I either have an emergency (Mayday) or I don’t, IMHO.

@eltomas3634

5 ай бұрын

@shack1975 It would make sense on a guarded frequency when you need to get the attention of a monitor and separate the message from normal radio traffic or if a frequency is very busy and you need to get attention and let others on the frequency know to keep clear and give you priority. But if you have two way communication established, you already have attention and you can simply give the details in your transmission without saying necessary words. In some cases, it doesn't make sense to begin your transmission with the words if you are just getting into a situation. It really does depend on the nature of the situation. You don't hear people saying "over" at the end of a transmission, it's just not needed.

It just occurred to me to wonder why, with everything that that's standardized about airport & ATC operations in the US, ARFF signs are so wildly varied? LAS is "Red Dog", but I've heard everything from "City" to "Rescue" to just "ARFF". Even airport ops vehicles are more standardized than this, why?

@tafan321

5 ай бұрын

Might be an aid in communication at a larger airport with multiple agencies involved. Think multiple fire stations on an airfield. Could be that fire chief wanted to stand out and add some pizzazz for espirit de corps. At KMAF as Ops and we were "Port ###", at KPAE we were "OPS #(whatever vehicle # we're in at that time)." I preferred having my own number. Also helps during a mass emergency when multiple agencies are on freq. Why do airlines use callsigns and not their standard FAA N-Number??

@jamescollier3

5 ай бұрын

I find strange that computers have EVEEEERRRRYTHING about that fight stored somewhere. Can't they get souls and fuel from someone that's less busy and not in the middle of landing a crippled jet with 300+ people on it? I mean is 1/2 the fire department not going to respond if it's not large quantities?

@athompso99

5 ай бұрын

@@tafan321 I would speculate that it's a lowest-common-denominator approach, because, no, not *every* flight has that info tracked in a system, and definitely not a system the closest TRACON or ATC has access to - remember it's the same emergency protocol whether it's a 1-person Cessna who took off from a flat strip on his 'back 40', or a giant A380.

@Kalvinjj

5 ай бұрын

@@jamescollier3 Souls might not change during flight unless someone did die during it (which, let's be real, on some emergencies is very much a thing), but fuel specially will change a lot depending on the emergency itself. If you've had a leak you'll have far less, if the aircraft is dragging more it will use it quicker and so on, you'll pretty much always have less fuel on board than predicted from initial data stored. Some new aircraft might report detailed data in real time like I think the A350 but I don't know if all flying ones do (doubt so, an NG 737 like here might).

@courgettee

5 ай бұрын

Probably because it doesn't matter. A controller just needs to know the local callsign.

Not much to see here except a picture perfect air return.

well done for the pilot's. loss of control of a primary control surface does not make for safe operation. that crew did very well!

No fire no problem 👍 I expected she gonna say - “ready for back taxi and try it again” 😅

nice ATC, no bs questions, to the point, helpful, etc

@Mike-oz4cv

5 ай бұрын

To be fair it sounded like there was not much else going on at the airport at that time.

Guessing they can use the motors to compensate for the rudder if it was stuck a over a little but that would suck

If I had to have a control surface failure, the rudder would be the one I'd pick.

I liked the fact that the pilot didn't declare an emergency until he was on the way in - and before he did, he had the "souls on board" and "fuel remaining" info ready before declaring. Southwest does a lot of traffic out of Las Vegas - my guess is that by declaring an emergency , he knew the tower would get everyone else out of his way!

@JosephSeabourne

5 ай бұрын

I'm failing to see why waiting to declare an emergency until you have turned around is a good thing. I'm not saying it's wrong, but why is it you particularly think that's good out of curiosity? They can always cancel or downgrade to a pan pan

@angelinasouren

5 ай бұрын

​@@JosephSeabournetrying to cause as little inconvenience to other flights as possible, and apparently that was doable for them

@JosephSeabourne

5 ай бұрын

@@angelinasouren fair enough

What is it with the Portland bound and Portland departing flights lately? Its as though someone in the universe noticed that PDX gets none of the fun and decided to introduce chaos!

@haroldlipschitz9301

5 ай бұрын

DB Cooper was Portland too

They have Aldi in the us now?!😮

Victor, seems another KZread channel beat you to the Atlas Air tapes!

Rudder problems? 737? Where did I see this before... 🤔

why is PAN PAN so hard for american crews to say on the air?

@slappymcgillicuddy7532

5 ай бұрын

why is this such a trigger for you all? They got back safely. This comes up every time our crews don't yell those special magical words over the radio.

@ghostrider-be9ek

5 ай бұрын

@@slappymcgillicuddy7532 Because its common in the rest of the ICAO world? Zero ambiguity.

@slappymcgillicuddy7532

5 ай бұрын

@@ghostrider-be9ek I flew for 15 years, had plenty of emergencies and "Declaring an Emergency, engine failure flying runway heading to 3000" worked just fine and gets the attention of any controller. I told him what I had and where I was flying (engine out was runway heading unless we were flying an obstacle avoidance engine out procedure) it doesn't matter.

@ghostrider-be9ek

5 ай бұрын

@@slappymcgillicuddy7532 "worked just fine for 15 years" is another way of saying "weve been doing it this way for years and its never failed" ....is exactly why the ICAO standards for comms is written in blood. Why are americans so backwards in this regard?

@iamme5714

5 ай бұрын

@@slappymcgillicuddy7532seems you’ve never flown to the other side of the world..

I flew for United for 29 years. so I am qualified to comment on the SWA crew's performance during this incident. They did a great job and they stayed calm throughout the ordeal and made the correct decision to declare an emergency. My only gripe is that they NEVER TOLD ATC WHAT THEIR FLIGHT CONTROL PROBLEM WAS. Why did they feel that the failure they experienced was none of anyone's business? Professional pilots always tell air traffic control exactly what their emergency is. I have seen this many times in my 57 years plus as a pilot and cannot understand the mentality of pilots keeping it a secret from ATC when they experience inflight difficulties.

@ajg617

5 ай бұрын

Curious about that as well - where did the rudder failure reason originate from? Did I miss the ATC audio?

@RipRoaringGarage

5 ай бұрын

Im wondering if it was rudder hydraulics that failed, and left them with just manual rudder only? Rudder failure is no joke, if its total rudder failure.

@germb747

5 ай бұрын

ATC can't fix a flight control problem, so I'd say talking to them about it is low on the list on priorities to take care of. Declare an emergency and tell ATC what you need from them. Crew was probably busy running checklists and coordinating with dispatch/maintenance/flight attendants. Aviate - Navigate - Communicate (in that order). Great job SWA!

@bobroberts2371

5 ай бұрын

said " My only gripe is that they NEVER TOLD ATC WHAT THEIR FLIGHT CONTROL PROBLEM WAS. Why did they feel that the failure they experienced was none of anyone's business? " Well, if are an accomplished pilot, you should understand the order of operations when a situation arises. 1 Aviate 2 Navigate 3 Communicate Within these levels lie different degrees of critically / focus. The person on the radio DID say that they have a flight control anomaly at time 018, what more are you demanding? And, just what do you expect ATC to do with more information than " flight control anomaly " ? Are you expecting to get Steve McCroskey on the horn? And no, I'm not a pilot however the format of 1 Aviate , 2 Navigate, 3 Communicate applies to many other activities just with different names. Perhaps you can have Juan Browne to critique the radio traffic or are you more of a Dan Grider kind of guy?

@rjhornsby

5 ай бұрын

“secret”? That’s a bit melodramatic. No one tried to hide or refused to explain the technical details. With dozens of higher priority tasks going on it was unnecessary to give specifics to a controller who didn’t ask, probably isn’t a pilot, and couldn’t help them do anything specifically about the problem. If the issue was severe enough to prevent them from turning left, they could then say “unable left turn, we have a rudder issue so it’ll be right turns only”

Uhmmmm rudder again 😮

Someone forgot to cash out his chips!

@80Loke

5 ай бұрын

Chips?

@weston9106

5 ай бұрын

@@80Lokehe’s joking that the pilot forgot to cash out his casino chips and turned around to go back to Vegas 😂

@brucesmith9144

5 ай бұрын

Better to be good than lucky as a pilot.

Isnt this more dangerous than an engine failure? Control surface issues?

@Mike-oz4cv

5 ай бұрын

Afaik rudder isn’t all that important (as long as it’s not stuck in a left or right position), especially on bigger planes. You really only need ailerons and elevators. IIRC even asymmetric flap and slat deployment can be dealt with.

I’m sorry if this is stupid question. But why did the pilot say “one-five thousand, fifteen-thousand” ?That makes no sense when it should just be 15000 or fifteen-thousand. Right?

@xav4391

3 ай бұрын

They say things like one five thousand to be more clear and easier to understand over the radio, it also minimises the chance someone mishears you.

@jerryuma

3 ай бұрын

@@xav4391 makes sense. I understand now. Thanks. I’m still learning a lot and want to be a pilot someday.

Losing a flight control is about as bad as it gets. Only thing worse is the aircraft breaking up. Id rather an engine fall off, than lose a flight control. Though, admittedly, if im forced to lose one of the flight controls, id pick the rudder to go first. Long as it doesnt flutter, it will still do its secondary job (that both it and the v-stab do) of keeping the airplane flying straight. And you can still turn and maneuver the plane with just elevators & ailerons. Thank god it worked out as well as it did for these guys.

Profession ok both ends.

Nope, more unprofessional behavior from the Pilots. A flight control issue IS AN EMERGENCY period! Especially when you broadcast it to the world and especially in the 737 that had issues with rudder operation previously that crashed more that one.

How does ATC know the exact vectors to get back to the airport? Are they using experience to make up the number? Is there info on their screen that tells them the vectors?

@matejlieskovsky9625

5 ай бұрын

They are not trying to get the aircraft exactly on top of the airport, just intercepting the glideslope - a long line stretching out from the runway. You can see the relevant chart at 4:15. At that point, they tell the aircraft to fly towards PRINO, turn them towards LARRE once they get closer to the line, and then the aircraft just turns towards the airport itself (in this case simply by looking outside the window). Vectors and waypoints are good enough to get an aircraft roughly to where you need it. Then you switch to something more precise - either visual or ILS.

@Surfnsnowboard3

5 ай бұрын

@@matejlieskovsky9625 I appreciate the reply, but that’s not my question. When a pilot asks for vectors to an airport, how does ATC know what to give? Seemingly very quickly. Is it on their screen? Are they just estimating vectors from experience and the map?

@matejlieskovsky9625

5 ай бұрын

It is generally an estimate. They don't really need much precision and they can't be too precise given unknown reaction times, turning radii, etc. In this video, the headings they give are 360 (directly north), 080 (downwind for runway 26), 170 (crosswind for runway 26) and 050 (anything from 030 to 060 would be fine at that point). They can, when needed, get exact headings between any two things on screen. But in 99% of cases, an estimate is ok. Plus they use the headings relevant to the current runway, see above.

@matejlieskovsky9625

5 ай бұрын

Oh, one more thing - if the aircraft is far from the airport, they can look at the heading from airport to aircraft (which is pretty easy due to how radar screens originally worked) and just give the opposite value - 080 if they're at 260 from the airport, for example. Maybe that's what you wanted to know? Does not happen in the video though...

@Surfnsnowboard3

5 ай бұрын

@@matejlieskovsky9625 that helps a lot thanks.

Always mention the type of failure to ATC! Flight control issues trouble controlling the aircraft. Then later on you can mention Fuel and souls on board, etc..

B B737 turned in to a bank and yank without the rudder

Probably some missing screws.

An airport named after Dingy Harry. WOW!

Good old 737...

Before we start shitting on Boeing, let's remember something. A lot of Southwest planes are at or past the end of their factory lifespans. I've flown at least 5, maybe 10 or so of their planes that were at least 20 years old, so maybe that has something to do with it?

@rilmar2137

5 ай бұрын

With older aircraft it could very well be on maintenance rather than a manifacturer issue. Here, the accident aircraft was N7851A which is 22 years old.

@CanyonBlue737Capt

5 ай бұрын

@@rilmar2137 The FAA and NTSB have very clearly defined criteria for what constitutes an accident. As far as we know this wasn't an accident.

@tinderbox218

5 ай бұрын

An awful lot of these videos seem to involve Southwest.

@Hopeless_and_Forlorn

5 ай бұрын

No.

@onemercilessming1342

5 ай бұрын

Add poor maintenance, human error, metal fatigue, etc., to the mix.

Rudder failure? On a 737?!?

Yet another 737 bites the dust, what is it with these .......get scary by the day...Great job by Everyone , bet the passengers were were not Happy But at Least got down safety

@Owlventure_Aviation

5 ай бұрын

this plane is 23 years old and maintenance is the airline's responsibility...

At the risk of sounding like a doofus.. it seems to me that SW has a higher number if incidents in comparison to others.. I honestly feel they probably defer routine maintenance longer than other carriers?

@stephenj4937

5 ай бұрын

Doubtful. They fly more domestic passengers than any other airline, so they probably do more takeoffs and landings inside the US than any other airline.

@stephenhenley7452

5 ай бұрын

No, they are just more open about it

@JayJayAviation

5 ай бұрын

They have over 800 planes

@CDurham1

5 ай бұрын

@JayJayAviation wow. I thought delta was the biggest. I guess not.

@JayJayAviation

5 ай бұрын

@@CDurham1 delta is actually larger than Southwest by around 150 aircraft but their fleet is overall a lot younger. American is the largest airline in the world

Ya know every single VASAviation I've seen always has a typo in the dialog. Would it hurt to do a quick proofread before submitting video? Don't get me wrong I love the channel, but I'm just ocd and hate seeing typos😂

Boeing probably left some trash in the control bays

these Boing aircraft are having a lot of problems.

@Owlventure_Aviation

5 ай бұрын

this plane is 23 years old and maintenance is the airline's responsibility...

And yet another Southwest failure. 🙄

BOEING IS IN TROUBLE!!

@Owlventure_Aviation

5 ай бұрын

this plane is 23 years old and maintenance is under the airline's responsibility...

Rudder failure? That's fairly serious! Boeing is raising a lot of concern over their airplanes. Granted, we don't know the nature of this issue, but still, people are starting to look at Boeing with furrowed brows. Like, what the heck is going on with Boeing?

@j.paulm.1575

5 ай бұрын

McDonnell Douglas

@Fitz710

5 ай бұрын

A lot of corporations today seem to be run by people who are only concerned with short term profits over long term quality, and Boeing seems to be no different

@kenknowles51

5 ай бұрын

Not sure "rudder failure" is entirely accurate... if it fell off sure but that really would be serious! More likely they lost the primary hydraulic PCU for the rudder and had to switch to the standby. Loss of redundancy for a critical system so necessitates a return, but not a dire emergency.

@dogmandan79

5 ай бұрын

Over 11000 B737s have been built, once in while something will happen. This could have been caused by anything.

@ES031

5 ай бұрын

You do realize this could've happened to any aircraft, right? And that this Boeing in question is over 2 decades old, right? I get that Boeing's been pretty rough about quality and safety in recent years, but you all really need to stop with this narrative. Malfunctions and failures befall Airbus products as well.

Boeing down bad ngl, at this point people gonna be checking aircraft type when booking flights

@FieldofDreams10

5 ай бұрын

I already am

@slappymcgillicuddy7532

5 ай бұрын

this again.

@zaram131

5 ай бұрын

I’ve been doing that ever since 737 Max crashes.

You can’t give ATC too much information! Should’ve declared an emergency as soon as they asked to return to the airport. Communications 101 “GET TO THE POINT”

Grrrr! Why did the pilots not declare pan-pan at the beginning! US pilots need to get on board with international standards! Can any pilots on this thread tell us why we don't use standards? Other than that, great job by pilots and ATC handling what had to be a harrowing flight control problem. Ironic that they were headed to Portland (I know, had nothing to do with the dash 9 incident).

@Leon_der_Luftige

5 ай бұрын

Because it wasnt an emergency. It could have turned into one. It was just an inconvenience.

@seiker9847

5 ай бұрын

@@Leon_der_Luftige”pan pan pan” indicates a potential emergency. “Mayday mayday mayday”-there IS an emergency

@Leon_der_Luftige

5 ай бұрын

@@seiker9847 I mean he explained his situation and requested to go back to the airfield that is equivalent to formally declaring it right? He did formally declare it later just to be sure. Everything was fine. At which point did that ice cold pilot make the impression he was struggling in any way? Relax. :)

@richarddaugherty8583

5 ай бұрын

@@Leon_der_Luftige No, explaining his situation was not sufficient. Per standards (my understanding) the pilot should have come on the air with "pan-pan pan-pan pan-pan, this is Southwest 123 with flight control issues." As soon as the first syllables of his transmission are out ATC knows they are dealing with a situation that could become an emergency. He gets priority attention asap and the controller can change his transponder to the EM for radar tracking. If it were an actual emergency (instead of a potential one) the same transmission would be made with "mayday mayday mayday" replacing the pan pan. That really gets ATC's attention before he says anything else. The whole point of having international standards is for everyone to actually use them. The rest of the world does and we don't. That's a problem.

@Ea-Nasir_Copper_Co

5 ай бұрын

Because it's NOT standard in the US!!!!!!

Euro boys are still struggling to figure out why US pilots don’t make Mayday call on radio in almost every single video. 😂

@slappymcgillicuddy7532

5 ай бұрын

they cry about it every video, it's kind of sad at this point, most of them aren't even pilots and can't comprehend that "declaring an emergency" works just fine.

@sakumisan

5 ай бұрын

Because American pilots have lazy radio phraseology. Meowing on guard. SEEEYYYAAA for frequency changes. Never declaring MAYDAY MAYDAY MAY-DAY. Constantly using "ready for takeoff" when that phrase has been proven to be disastrous. Source: I'm an US based pilot.

@sakumisan

5 ай бұрын

@@slappymcgillicuddy7532 Not really, MAYDAY MAYDAY MAY-DAY is much clearer. There have been multiple instances where just casually "declaring an Emergency" did not get as much of an immediate response as it should. Please review the FAA AIM Chapter 6 Section 3. I am a US based pilot so maybe you won't be so quick to disregard my commentary.

@iamme5714

5 ай бұрын

@@slappymcgillicuddy7532Mayday & Panpan are the correct ICAO phraseologies and not only in Europe but for the rest of the world. I believe FAA is under ICAO and not the other way around.

Not a good year for Boeing

Again ?, Another quality US/Boeing product.

@unclefreddy2009

5 ай бұрын

You are kidding right? This kind of thing happens all the time, this was a non event. It’s unclear what the actual issue was at this point but it was something the company wanted them to turn back and have inspected. If this was a true flight control emergency it would have been difficult to control. The emergency declaration was just procedure

@JayJayAviation

5 ай бұрын

Give me a break, the aircraft is 23 years old

@JayJayAviation

5 ай бұрын

@@mxlzzu age can 100% be a factor in these types of situations

@cantliff9

5 ай бұрын

Yes, age and maintenance has everything to do with it. A 20 year old car vs a new car, for example; will drive differently and likely have to visit the garage more regular

Let me guess, Boeing?

@JayJayAviation

5 ай бұрын

A 23 year old Boeing.

@FieldofDreams10

5 ай бұрын

Wow

First

@weylinwest9505

5 ай бұрын

I second that.

@Jdinrbfidndifofkdndjoflfndjdk

5 ай бұрын

@@weylinwest9505 smart

What's going on with Boeing? Incident after incident after incident.

@sakumisan

5 ай бұрын

Complex machinery sometimes has issues, no matter how well designed or maintained.

Probably pilot error, the 737 never had rudder issues due to Boeing making a design flaw

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